This is great. I just wanted to punctuate one of the points you made here as I just lived through it and you’re 100% correct. I just got a TechDisc. After 4 years of filming myself, the TechDisc confirmed that I’m still throwing nose up. Every throw. 100 throws and I tried grip changes, pouring/turning/etc. All still nose up. On day 2 I finally realized that my hit point was way late (around 12). If I over exaggerate and try to hit at 8 or 9, it comes out around 10. Finally, I can make changes to get my nose down. So I can confirm your point. Since another element of my form was incorrect, no amount of pouring coffee, flipping discs, turning keys would help. Fixing my hit point allowed me to fix my nose angle! Still much work to do, but it definitely all has to be in harmony or it simply isn’t going to work.
Exactly, because the point at which the disc comes out of your hand is just as critical as everything because posture influences so much. So if your rounding passed the hit point, when that disc rotates out of your hand, its most likely going to be nose up. Hand alignment with target, blah blah blah. There is just SO many things vs just pouring coffee and turning keys. There are people who do NONE of these things and just naturally throw with good nose angles the first day. I've had new players come to the course and they just automagically throw nose down. No fancy tricks or key turns, they just naturally throw nose down. Curse them. I've tried some other grips over the years, and thrown nose down with them, tried to do it the next day and couldn't do it. I'm still messing with my grip to try and get a consistent controlled release where I know I am finally in control and its less fate based and more me based.
@@sarinhighwind Definitely curse those folks that never had to struggle! 😝 But your point about ducks in a row and randomly throwing in squirrels is applicable not only to grip, but to the entire swing. The TechDisc is a magical device. I am now fixing my hit point, which automatically fixes my nose angle. Get in a row, ducks! And get out of here, squirrel!
I just recently got in to turning the key, I started anhyzing, throwing all weird ways, so I went back to the old swing. Your pinky controls the disc is awesome, combined with the hands follow-through and keeping the plane. That could be a gamechanger for me. Thanks man. Oh and as you replied to another dude, please make a breakdown on the Dan Beto drill
i found a hack to get the nose down.. simply power grip the disc WITHOUT YOUR THUMB so yes the disc must sit on your fingers in such a way and on your palm that without the need of thumb pressure it sits there NOSE DOWN and its comfortable.. once you get that you only then put thumb pressure on the disc and notice now how when you put your thumb on the disc now its almost as if there is no thumb pressure or at minimum you really cant feel it and im convinced people are pressing down with their thumbs which makes the disc nose up ironically!
This is an important video. Turn the key always felt like I was turning my hand away from being able to hold on to the disc due to it's inertia or (if I managed to hang on) imparting annhyzer OAT like you demonstrated. I don't throw nose up but you gave me some inspiration on some micro movements to perhaps achieve that magical -2~-4 so I can throw higher and still get that good ride without needing to rely on the unpredictable nature of understable to flip the nose down into the apex. Cheers.
When we get into a lot of this stuff, its nuanced and technical. The goal is to try and keep it simple, but its also important to have a certain level of understanding of WHAT your doing and WHY. And I see a lot of people explaining to do it, but not what you're actually achieving, or any other important things.
I think we want it to be complicated to justify the effort we put into it. And it's really not overly complicated. It's important to break it down to simple things and teach those without getting to into gimmicks.
@@sarinhighwind I was more so commenting on the nature of muscle memory. But yes it is very much a cope to think that it is a problem you can solve primarily with your mind.
I love all the extra information you put in this video - really clarifies things for me. One thing I'd like to stress for others, if you get caught up in cues like "turn the key" and you have bad form elements in your throw, you run the risk of not seeing any (or very little) benefits of that cue. And at least in my experience trying to focus too much on that cue, it wrecks my form even more. And it's not great in the first place. Not saying it's bad, but other things like grip, swing plane, and follow through have to be good before you start messing with it. Just my two cents. Not from a form expert - but a victim of bad form advice and bad language.
You throw from the power pocket. But the videos dan did on it dont really explain how to do it well without muscling. Ill probably do a video breaking it down more soon. Its a good drill that is over looked a lot
Many coaches say to not allow your wrist to articulate as and show videos of pros releasing with no flexion in the wrist. Too many conflicting theories 😩
You wanna keep it in during the main part of the swing. When you get to the hit your wrist will naturally pop. So if youre out of alignment, it will not go well. Philo talks about it in a video.
I understand the concepts he's talking about. The problem when we break it down with what he's doing is were seeing 1 piece of a really large puzzle. And to make any firm statements on those things, we need to do more research to gather data. He doesn't live close to me, otherwise I'd invite him over to shoot high speed and we could look into it better to make more firm statements vs theoretical statements.
@JasonAllmen thanks. Its hard to keep videos short but provide all relevant detail. And while other creators make good videos they are trying to keep them short so they miss this stuff. But its more my thing. So ill do it.
Interesting,but oh so long ,5 min max and go for the core ,lost in words before you can get what is of value on the subject ( and maybe missing the real point).Keep up the good work (like it) but maybe shorter?
Terrible video. First 8 minutes said nothing other than what the other guy said with the pinky. And your suggestion is "keep playing with your grip". Useless. And waay to repetitive. Repetitive. And yeah, turn the key is a que, so 12 minutes in you agree with turning the key. 20 minutes and you said nothing new.
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This is great. I just wanted to punctuate one of the points you made here as I just lived through it and you’re 100% correct.
I just got a TechDisc. After 4 years of filming myself, the TechDisc confirmed that I’m still throwing nose up. Every throw. 100 throws and I tried grip changes, pouring/turning/etc. All still nose up.
On day 2 I finally realized that my hit point was way late (around 12). If I over exaggerate and try to hit at 8 or 9, it comes out around 10. Finally, I can make changes to get my nose down.
So I can confirm your point. Since another element of my form was incorrect, no amount of pouring coffee, flipping discs, turning keys would help. Fixing my hit point allowed me to fix my nose angle! Still much work to do, but it definitely all has to be in harmony or it simply isn’t going to work.
Exactly, because the point at which the disc comes out of your hand is just as critical as everything because posture influences so much. So if your rounding passed the hit point, when that disc rotates out of your hand, its most likely going to be nose up.
Hand alignment with target, blah blah blah.
There is just SO many things vs just pouring coffee and turning keys.
There are people who do NONE of these things and just naturally throw with good nose angles the first day. I've had new players come to the course and they just automagically throw nose down. No fancy tricks or key turns, they just naturally throw nose down.
Curse them.
I've tried some other grips over the years, and thrown nose down with them, tried to do it the next day and couldn't do it. I'm still messing with my grip to try and get a consistent controlled release where I know I am finally in control and its less fate based and more me based.
@@sarinhighwind Definitely curse those folks that never had to struggle! 😝
But your point about ducks in a row and randomly throwing in squirrels is applicable not only to grip, but to the entire swing. The TechDisc is a magical device. I am now fixing my hit point, which automatically fixes my nose angle. Get in a row, ducks! And get out of here, squirrel!
I just recently got in to turning the key, I started anhyzing, throwing all weird ways, so I went back to the old swing. Your pinky controls the disc is awesome, combined with the hands follow-through and keeping the plane. That could be a gamechanger for me. Thanks man. Oh and as you replied to another dude, please make a breakdown on the Dan Beto drill
Presentation makes a huge difference on understanding. I'm glad you like the more... wordy explanation I provide.
i also agree the pinky helps get the nose down HOWEVER someone like Drew Gibson doesnt even use his pink and he clearly throws nose down too
@OkieTradez drew throws power fan. Unless he changed. Ive not played with him since like 2019.
Will Schusterick talks about not using pointer finger pressure as well
@@OkieTradez back loaded grip. Dg spin doctor talks about it
i found a hack to get the nose down.. simply power grip the disc WITHOUT YOUR THUMB so yes the disc must sit on your fingers in such a way and on your palm that without the need of thumb pressure it sits there NOSE DOWN and its comfortable.. once you get that you only then put thumb pressure on the disc and notice now how when you put your thumb on the disc now its almost as if there is no thumb pressure or at minimum you really cant feel it and im convinced people are pressing down with their thumbs which makes the disc nose up ironically!
@@OkieTradez if you press with your thumb wrong you will naturally pronate at the hit vs your wrist articulating on the plane of play
@@sarinhighwind the hack i speak of makes it impossible to press wrong at least for me it did
This is an important video. Turn the key always felt like I was turning my hand away from being able to hold on to the disc due to it's inertia or (if I managed to hang on) imparting annhyzer OAT like you demonstrated. I don't throw nose up but you gave me some inspiration on some micro movements to perhaps achieve that magical -2~-4 so I can throw higher and still get that good ride without needing to rely on the unpredictable nature of understable to flip the nose down into the apex. Cheers.
When we get into a lot of this stuff, its nuanced and technical. The goal is to try and keep it simple, but its also important to have a certain level of understanding of WHAT your doing and WHY. And I see a lot of people explaining to do it, but not what you're actually achieving, or any other important things.
@@sarinhighwindEverything is really really hard until it isn't. Then it's hard to fathom what made it hard in the first place.
I think we want it to be complicated to justify the effort we put into it. And it's really not overly complicated. It's important to break it down to simple things and teach those without getting to into gimmicks.
@@sarinhighwind I was more so commenting on the nature of muscle memory. But yes it is very much a cope to think that it is a problem you can solve primarily with your mind.
I love all the extra information you put in this video - really clarifies things for me. One thing I'd like to stress for others, if you get caught up in cues like "turn the key" and you have bad form elements in your throw, you run the risk of not seeing any (or very little) benefits of that cue. And at least in my experience trying to focus too much on that cue, it wrecks my form even more. And it's not great in the first place. Not saying it's bad, but other things like grip, swing plane, and follow through have to be good before you start messing with it. Just my two cents. Not from a form expert - but a victim of bad form advice and bad language.
Thanks.
Just nobody was talking about all the other important things, all they were talking about was how great the magic pill was.
I've seen pros warming up with badminton racquet maybe related to the point you were making at the beginning? 🤔
@Ishiisan yes. A lot warm up with a racket now thanks to seth.
What is the beto drill you referenced near the end?
You throw from the power pocket. But the videos dan did on it dont really explain how to do it well without muscling. Ill probably do a video breaking it down more soon. Its a good drill that is over looked a lot
Dan Beto Right Pec Drill 2.0 it helps you to find the whip action
Many coaches say to not allow your wrist to articulate as and show videos of pros releasing with no flexion in the wrist. Too many conflicting theories 😩
You wanna keep it in during the main part of the swing. When you get to the hit your wrist will naturally pop. So if youre out of alignment, it will not go well. Philo talks about it in a video.
Have you seen PETE Ulibarri's video on gyroscopic precession?
I understand the concepts he's talking about. The problem when we break it down with what he's doing is were seeing 1 piece of a really large puzzle. And to make any firm statements on those things, we need to do more research to gather data.
He doesn't live close to me, otherwise I'd invite him over to shoot high speed and we could look into it better to make more firm statements vs theoretical statements.
Lot of dribble here. Hard to follow and see an articulate point. Just couldn't get through it.
Cool story.
I thought it was good to follow, not everything needs to be scripted, going to try to do some new things with this weeks field work! Nice video
@JasonAllmen thanks. Its hard to keep videos short but provide all relevant detail. And while other creators make good videos they are trying to keep them short so they miss this stuff. But its more my thing. So ill do it.
Interesting,but oh so long ,5 min max and go for the core ,lost in words before you can get what is of value on the subject ( and maybe missing the real point).Keep up the good work (like it) but maybe shorter?
Terrible video. First 8 minutes said nothing other than what the other guy said with the pinky. And your suggestion is "keep playing with your grip". Useless. And waay to repetitive. Repetitive. And yeah, turn the key is a que, so 12 minutes in you agree with turning the key. 20 minutes and you said nothing new.
A response with such intelligence. Ill have to go get a new degree to even comprehend what you said...
pour the coffee is from the perspective of servers minimizing their reach and intrusion
That makes sense, but it's still a bad reference. That's the joke.
I mean, you understood that's a joke right?
not only was it a joke, but it was good one! i laughed at it pretty hard, well done!@@sarinhighwind
@@jerkwagon oh good. Wasnt sure based on the comment. Haha