When Science Meets Social Justice
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- The Michael Shermer Show # 433
A conversation with sociologist Bradley Campbell on how we can look at social justice more analytically.
"Social justice efforts informed by critical theory deliberately ignore the insights that might come from other sociological perspectives. It’s possible to view social life as domination and oppression, but it’s also possible to view it as a network of relationships, or as an arena of rational transactions similar to a marketplace, or as a stage where actors play their parts, or as a system where the different parts contribute to the functioning of the whole.
If you’re going to change the social world, it’s important to have some understanding of how social life works, but there’s no justification for relying exclusively on critical theory."
Shermer and Campbell discuss: the telos of sociology: truth or activism? • can we make people better? • evaluating ideologies • victimhood culture vs. honor culture • conflicting rights and social tradeoffs • CRT, DEI, cancel culture, identity politics • equality vs. equity • overt racism vs. systemic racism
Bradley Campbell is a professor of sociology at California State University, Los Angeles. His work examines moral conflict, including violent conflicts such as genocide as well as nonviolent conflicts on college campuses over politics and free speech.
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Social Justice is not about "creating social institutions that lead to human flourishing." If it were then it would be no different than traditional democratic liberalism. "Social" justice is about retribution against "groups" (categories of people) perceived to be in power. It's a group conflict mentality. It's the group identity, and the perceived power conflict between identities, that makes it "social" justice. Sociology and the other social sciences have utterly gone down the critical theory rabbit hole. Social conflict and power analysis is the only accepted perspective in academia today, and it is an expression of our innate tendency toward tribalism. Academia has been thoroughly captured by the seductive bias toward seeing social behavior as groups in conflict.
Dr. Campbell should stop using the phrase "social justice" because it presumes a group conflict model, it is unavoidably ideological, because again the "social" means "social group" and a power/conflict between categories of people. If it were not a group conflict perspective, you would just call it "justice".
"Social Justice" is a weasel term that can mean many things. Unfortunately it is used to interpret all social phenomenon in terms of group conflict. Imagined "groups" must have justice, not individual humans. I don't believe humans can think about "social justice" without falling into group conflict and tribal thinking. Tribal, group conflict thinking is a fundamental bias of our minds. The conceptual framework of the social sciences and humanities has completely fallen into this bias.
I agree, it seems to me that its nothing more then mob mentality. I've seen the SJW people promote cancel culture and death threats and promote harm all because they do not like words. Its nothing more then a lynch hanging of someone because of words. I'm HIGHLY skeptical of "Social justice" because of my observations of it.
"social sciences" are in fact NOT sciences. In genuine science you don't know the answers ahead of your study.
@@gabrielgaidos7015 I get your point, but there are real scientists in the social sciences, even if there is a lot of bad research. My doctorate is in social psychology and I know many principled researches in the field.
It’s just communism trying to subvert Western society again.
The whole point of industrialization is to coddle the citizenry, make life easier. We need to seriously reconsider the harms caused by industrialized trade and bring our exchanges back to human proportions.
Read Brookings’ explanation of the meaning of “ defunding the police.”
I am skeptical of his "lets look a police training" approach while not even considering looking at the differences in criminal populations. Do you think the South Central Los Angles black population is that same Seattle's, Michigan's, or Texas'?
Sounds more like the a safety culture. They don't want to be harmed by the wrong speech or wrong thoughts so they demand the authorities that be intervene on their behalf.
Are they more anxious and depressed or are they diagnosed more with anxiety and depression?
Edit: Added comment
I just realized that the Old Testament story of Elisha prophesied modern offense culture. God must be real after all.
Utopia doesn't happen because of people. A reasonably good life for all is possible if there is ethical service. Equality is about fairness. When things are fair that is utopia. This to me is social justice not the dominant contemporary ideas of social justice. I guess sometimes there will be mistakes but we can correct it when we discover it. Utopia can never mean perfection that's absurd. Utopia to mean is a good life for all. Not people making mistakes in sticky situations. Conscious mistakes aren't mistakes
There is no such thing as perfection, yet we so liberally use the word. All biological nature is chaos and order and we human apes have capabilities beyond belief, however; we can not know the next minute and do not predict future happenings well. Our heredity
and our environment are what make us, us and the myriad, nuanced differences among us are stunning. Nevertheless, life is Yin AND Yang.
Woke stages are 1 not happening 2 its rare 3 its a good thing.Michael brought a uni shill to make a wordy case of 2