1st Story This woman (1) had an affair with your boyfriend, (2) looked you dead in the eye and comforted you through the breakup without admitting that she was the cause and the reason for your pain, (3) asked you to be the MOH of her wedding to her boyfriend that she cheated on, (4) and then to proceeds to play victim after you rightfully walked out of her wedding after discovering her atrocious and completely UNFORGIVABLE behavior. Imagine the level of selfishness. How manipulative. How utterly despicable. “It was a long time ago.” No, it wasn’t. Just because the boyfriend is a spineless coward with no self respect, doesn’t mean you have to degrade yourself as well. And he debated telling you!!! These two people were gonna sit quietly about their sins against you until his guilt couldn’t keep his mouth shut. Throw them and anyone who defends them out the door. Block them all.
the fact that Stacy had an affair with John, hurt her bestie, and STILL had the nerve to ask her to be in her wedding? yeah no, Stacy ruined her own wedding by sleeping with someone else
I can already see Tom's future post on Reddit: "I just found out my 4 kids aren't mine, my wife has been cheating on me since my honeymoon, I don't understand, there weren't any red flags!!!! What should I do?" 😂😂😂 he is a damn idiot
For that last story, he did try just turning Kelly down. After saying no, he got interrogated, where he tried to politely say no again. He didn’t make up the “I don’t do short term” thing until he felt backed into a corner. Honestly, if someone was being that verbally aggressive with me after I’ve tried letting the down gently several times, I’d probably say whatever it took to get them to back down, too
Completely agree with this, and it's so true. If their genders were flipped. People would be so upset, and calling the guy names. EVERYONE GETS TO GIVE THEIR CONSENT. It doesn't matter your gender.
@@missytina6085I was thinking the same thing! Imagine you showed up as a bridesmaid and were paired with a groomsman and expected to have sex with him, then people get upset that you like Mike better and aren't a prostitute who gets loaned out at weddings to people's friends. You want to choose your partner.
Even without the race element, this man is not an escort. And how is Kelly so invested that she's crying? I smell crazy. Your boyfriend didn't leave with another girl. A stranger who has never asked you out on a single date chose the girl he wanted. That's life, sweetie.
Kelly wasn’t taking “no” for an answer & kept pushing the issue. In order to spare Kelly’s feelings, OP gave a plausible explanation/excuse. People seriously need to stop demanding reasons when what they really want isn’t the truth, but to badger others into giving them their way.
The last story- it doesn’t matter why the guy doesn’t want to date Kelly. He doesn’t owe an explanation, he has a right to date whomever he wishes. Kelly needs to learn that no means no. And the bride needs to chill. Just because it’s her wedding doesn’t mean she gets to dictate who her guests date or dance with. If he’s not into you, move on!! Blaming somebody for rejecting you is never the right answer.
However it could be a chauvanistic thing where he and Kelly are the same age but he goes for the girl who is too young for him. So the optics are bad and he just looks like a sexist jerk.
No Charlotte, the groomsman didn’t owe Kelly an explanation. He was pressured into giving one, even if it wasn’t 100% truthful. She couldn’t take a hint, so he chose not to hurt her feelings. Kelly and Liz are crazy.
I feel that sometimes as a woman, Charlotte has some biased expectations based on her gender towards such issues. Not the first time I feel that she seems harsher on males in her videos.
100% agree! It’s like when you let a guy down easy by saying “sorry I’m seeing someone else” even if you’re not. You’re just letting them down easy and you don’t owe them anything, they are a stranger for all intensive purposes
you dont need a reason to say no u just dont wanna like heck u can bouth be married and together and u have a right to say no to sx cuz u dont wanna /feel like it noone needs a reason to say no to someone ur spouse if ur married or a random ass person hitting on u
Okay, the sister laughing at the sisters failed bachelorette/bachelor party posted an update. She did sincerely apologize, also explained that her sisters group was basically a bunch of swingers (nothing wrong with that) but it was in character for something like this to happen especially with the added drugs. The sisters are good now and moving forward with everything but that’s why OP could see issues coming from a mile away.
If she wasn't ASKED DIRECTLY when the sister was complaining about it, perhaps she wouldn't have said 'what did you expect to happen?' If she'd walked up and said that unprovoked, it would be wrong. But when you're asked a direct question whilst someone is whining at you... I don't know what else you could have said, other than express that you're not at all surprised! If she had said 'yeah, that's terrible, I can't believe that happened', dollars to donuts the sister would have carried on further with 'yeah, aren't they wrong, they're such jerks, don't you think I should [do this to get revenge] to pay them back?' which is somewhere you don't want to go! So best to shut it down. 'I'm not surprised.' Maybe the sister can then go and whine to someone else about what happened - someone who didn't know full well that it WOULD happen and might be able to fake genuine sympathy or whatever.
Never understood why some people use "bachelor(ette)" parties as an excuse to misbehave to the extreme & make fools of themselves without accepting the consequences of their actions. If my friends & family behaved this way i would disown them & elope. I feel sorry for OP as bride's parents seem to make a habit of excusing her poor decisions & not holding her accountable. I get the feeling OP is tired of sister's self inflicted drama.
Nah, the groomsman is not in the wrong, the fact he HAD to give any reason as to why he wasn’t into that Kelly girl is fucked up. No one should ever have to justify why they are not receptive to other people’s advances. If you say no THAT IS IT. You should not be interrogated, you should not be questioned, and even if you give an “excuse” that bridesmaid is still in the wrong cause you are being forced to say something to her to get you out of a situation that you should not be pressured into in the first place. He said no, he wasn’t leading anyone on, he didn’t say anything that would have told Kelly there was even a chance they could try anything together, he straight up said NO is enough. It does not matter what he does if a consenting adult afterwards cause the world does not revolve around you
That brings up an interesting point. Girls/women are going off on this "No means no" kick (which I do agree with) but it seems that they are trying to say that that is just for them and that a man does not have the same privilege to say "no" to a woman and accept it. That seems to me that they want their cake and to eat it too.
@@jacklow9611 I don't think it's necessarily a gender thing. It might be a "I haven't been in this situation yet" thing. It's always easier to say "no means no" when you're the one doing the rejecting. But ofc people are often hypocrites too.
@@jacklow9611 Women and girls are not a pack with a hive mind; just because you have one anecdote (or even a handful) about a female psycho who insists and another female who backs her, doesn't mean that ALL women everywhere have decided to keep the "no means no" for themselves, that's ridiculous. Of course, on the basis of what we know of that story, I don't think you'll find that many women who will defend the bride and "Kelly" over the groomsman. It's only that so often and for so long, it's been drilled in our minds that men are hunters and women are preys, usually men are pursuing and women are the ones who must say no when they're not interested , rather than the other way around. So obviously they're the ones who have to say no multiple times, and fend off questions about why, and have to look hysterical when they have to yell to be left alone. Statistically.
Stacy and Tom ruined their own wedding. The Maid of Honour was that most honorable person there by removing herself from the scene. She could have created so much more drama by staying. These are toxic people to avoid in future.
Stacy sounds like the type who will probably persuade Tom to "observe" the two of them in the near future. "See, it's better that we're not going behind your back this time"
I'm assuming the sister who laughed at the bride's panic over the trainwreck over the combined bachelorette/bachelor party has that opinion because she KNEW the people involved. Can a combined party go off without a problem? Absolutely! I actually like that idea. Sounds like it'd be a blast. But perhaps it was the specific individuals involved that made the event a trainwreck. At least that was how I was understanding it.
Yeah this sounds like the sister knew the people in the wedding party and that this was going to be a disaster that should have been predicted. It would be like smoking near something flammable. It might not blow up but if it does it is not a surprise.
Same. I’ve seen some combined parties go great. But I’ve been to two that ended in both parties going to jail and me taxing people home because I don’t drink to get drunk. I just drink to enjoy the drink.
Yeah the sister is 23. Which means all their friends are about that age. They already have at least one other married couple in the group and she’s getting married. It just screams immature friend group. They type of people who are low key competing to be grownups by rushing milestones instead of letting them happen. This party just fast forwarded their lives by like ten years
Story 1: OP DID handle it privately. She quietly left the wedding party smd didnt attend the wedding. It's not her fault the bride plastered her face all over the wedding website and everybody noticed. Also she could have done it really publicly and went to the wedding acting as if everything was good and then when they asked if anybody objected she could have got up and said, "yeah, I object. She's a cheating piece of shit." But she didn’t.
I was thinking the same thing. She could have waited until her toast, and then, with a huge smile on her face and making sure she was being recorded, said something along the lines of, "My best friend - The one thing I will always remember you most by, is the time you spread your whore legs and fxcked my boyfriend! Do you remember that? Surely you do, bc you just confessed to Tom a couple days ago abt cheating on him, so.... thank goodness he told me this morning so I could be in on the joke as well! Isn't it so funny how you cheated on your now husband and screwed over & lied to your "best friend"?! " She cd have said smthng like that and *then* left.
I can’t imagine having the audacity to not only cheat on my bf, but do it with my best friend’s BF. THEN AFTER THEY BREAK UP, ASK HER TO BE IN MY WEDDING AND DO EVERYTHING FOR ME!!! Can you imagine what kind of person acts that way, and then gets upset not because she burned her friend, but because said friend found out and it “ruined her day”. We are better off without people like this in our lives!!! Geez, that’s so cold.
He only made up the "I don't do short term" thing to try and save Kelly's feelings because she insisted on knowing why he turned her down. He turned her down politely at first and only when she insisted did he make up the lie.
Just because you are paired up for a wedding ceremony doesn’t mean you have to spend the rest of the evening with them. Obviously two strangers came together for the ceremony but didn’t hit it off. He was honest and said no. Kelly was childish for her strong reaction to being told no.
I feel like Liz blew smoke up her arse, telling her that he would be interested, and then she spat the dummy when he wasn't. I've had a similar situation in reverse, when I refused to give a guy my number (after other people had encouraged him), and he wasn't pleased, especially when my reason was "I don't want to."
It kinda happened at my friends wedding last year all the single groomsmen were paired up with the single bridesmaids. It was obvious why me and the bridesmaid I got were paired up it was because we were the only high calorie people in the group 😂😂 she realized it just as fast as I did and it bothered her so she spilled the beans some of the single bridesmaids were not single and one of them had multiple STDs 🤦🏽♂️ I informed the guys and we split after the reception and took the bridesmaid I was paired with because she saved one of us from catching something. It was a fun night in Vegas the next day at breakfast a lot of the bridesmaids were mad because they couldn't agree on anything and most of them had a boring night just sitting around in a hotel room on their phones drinking and of course it was all the mens fault
Also it’s insane to me that this somehow “ruined” the wedding for Liz… like idk if that’s Kelly being too focused on herself during her friends wedding or Liz blowing so much smoke up Kelly’s ass beforehand that she had to continue to make a huge deal even on her wedding her day… like… bruh it’s a wedding, who tf cares if a bridesmaid and groomsman pairing don’t hit it off 😂😂
I can’t help but wonder if Tom told OP because he verbally forgave Stacey, but is still struggling emotionally and wanted to gauge OP’s reaction as the other person involved. Basically if OP forgave Stacey, then he could be comfortable being married to her, but OP won’t forgive, and Tom has to face that he hasn’t either, but doesn’t know how to get out of this relationship, so he’s taking it out on OP.
See, here's the thing with the last story. He basically told her he wasn't interested in her first, and then had to give those extra reasons after she wouldn't back off. He actually started to make a connection with the other girl. He DID tell her, she didn't listen.
Exactly. If genders were reversed, the argument would be that the guy was too pushy. But here? He isn't "being truthful". Not happy with that take on this story.
@@thebigkapowskiHe wasn't truthful... instead of telling her straight up that he wasn't interested in her, he said he made an excuse saying he doesn't like "flings" but then turns around and goes and has a fling with Jen.. He was not truthful but had he been, she probably wouldnt have been so pushy
@@maiafloress Also he most likely said that so to not make her feel bad. Guaranteed if it was a woman in his place you wouldn't be saying anything like that because it's straight up incelous
That first story, that was a tactical move. They hoped that with how much OP had put into the wedding, she would grin and bare it for the sake of the wedding. Then, if OP blew up after the wedding, they could discredit her rage in front of their friends as "But you didn't say anything before and did the wedding so you must have been okay with it!" No, those 2 dipshits saw this as a way to force OP to "forgive" the friend as well as save face if OP expressed anger after. OP did the right thing to just walk the hell away because it totally blew up their plans. No forced "forgiveness" and her rage can't be discredited cause she expressed it then and not later.
I agree with you, she did the right thing by walking away, clearly could have been a emotional bigger mess during the wedding and avoided emotional outbursts she might have been feeling, trying to make her seem like a terrible person. Those are terrible friends.
That was an emotional crap show thrice over. By the bride for waiting till right before the wedding to tell the groom either forcing forgiveness or call off the big event, groom for dropping such an emotional bomb on poor OP in an already stressful situation as well as having to be the one to tell her at all, and OP for having to deal with it all on a day when emotions were already likely running high. Just a shit sandwich no matter how you look at it. >.
The last story really got under my skin. It doesn't matter what reason he wasn't into the girl the point is HE JUST WASN'T! And he's allowed to be attracted to someone else regardless of age, race, or the opinions of others. If the bride allowed that to ruin her night that is on her. That's some next level craziness right there!
Also I respect that man 10 times more for being so nice about the whole thing. I would be pissed if I was in his shoes... like not only is she trying to set him up behind his back but she also just assumed he's gotta be into black women 'cause he's black which is giving me racist vibes AND then got pissed when he wasn't interested and started interragating him as if it's any of her business why he doesn't like her. Yes he may or may not want flings but even if he lied about that it's something he had to say to get out of a situation that didn't need to happen in the first place. And him then hitting it off with a white woman just tells me he's definitly not racist and seems to care more about the personality. This man is a good one and I hope he doesn't have to deal with a mess like that again. I'm glad he got to enjoy himself despite the drama - he deserves it!
@@GubbiGapalso, how many of us women have had to lie to get out of uncomfortable situations? I can think of a few off the top of my head. Lied about my name, my number, my relationship status. When someone won’t take no as an answer we’re left with little choice. Kelly has most definitely lied before. She and Liz are jerks.
@@Mama_Bear524i was thinking the same exact thing. No one would think twice if it was reversed and a woman gave a false reason for not being interested in a man who wouldnt accept no the first time. You cant force someone to like you. It just makes you creepy to be so persistent after politely being told their not interested in you. As a woman ive def been in that situation and its def majorly uncomfortable
The thirst was real with her and she wouldn't take no for an answer and forced him to lie to get her to back off. No different than when women lied and say they have a boyfriend to get a thirsty guy to back off. Just imagine if two men were trying to force a woman to get with one of them!
I had a joint bachelor/ette party with an actual school bus (it was free and we were young and broke planning a wedding lol... also really fun). We had an amazing time bar hopping and got absolutely trashed lol. I split off for a while with my girls and went to a drag show, the guys continued drinking. My then future husband rode home on said school bus with his head in my lap, wasted and telling me how happy he is and how much he loves me. He doesnt actually remember that part but I knew I made the best choice, I also drunkenly cried tears of joy here. Fast forward 8 years and I am still remarkably smitten and head over heals in love with my wonderful husband.
I’m in a poly relationship, and I do not expect to be invited to events where people do not know me. In fact I wouldn’t feel comfortable, unless I was asked specifically to attend. Otherwise it would just be awkward. Having said that, the children are all cool with me being in the relationship, and have invited me to events, and treat me as part of the family. All the kids are adults, and they are lovely. They should never have put their son in that position. They obviously want their polycule to be accepted, but forcing it upon people is not going to make it happen. The way I see it, is they don’t know Dave, so why would they invite him to their wedding. He’s after all a stranger to them. In Dave’s situation, I would not be offended in the slightest at not being invited. As Charlotte often says, “don’t go where you’re not wanted.”
Just to play devil's advocate, replace polycule with "gay partner". Then it sounds homophobic. While from a purely gut feeling I agree with you, what's the difference?
@@Wendylovespitties Polycule is when everyone in the relationship is in a relationship with each other. While polyamorous means that not everyone is necessarily in a relationship with each over.
@@Twilight.Knight The age thing doesn’t bother me. I was 21 years younger than my late wife, and we had a wonderful relationship. The poly relationship I am in, I am the oldest person in it. But only by 8 years. I have noticed that age differences are seen as a bigger deal in North America, than they are here in the UK. My late wife was American, the difference in reactions in our age gap, was seen drastically differently in both of our countries. Mostly in the UK it is seen as, that as long as you are happy, and you’re all adults, then it’s fine. While in the USA, you mention a large age gap, and jaws drop. What is most important, is how comparable you are. My late wife and I were extremely close and had an amazing 18 years together. She was such a wonderful person.
One night shortly after engagement Kelly was bemoaning her single status to Liz. Who asked Tom if he had any nice black friends, Tom remembered OP and included him in the wedding party. Liz and Kelly spend months inventing a relationship between them and the day of the wedding their fantasy hits reality and neither can take it. It is basically the plot of Emma, not saying OP is lying, just saying Jane Austen understanding of human nature was genius level.
That would explain why they went off on him like that. Yeesh! They way they were behaving you'd have thought they had been together for awhile and he was cheating on her. 🙄 They had plans for him. He didn't follow their plan, and it's his fault. 😂 The guy dodged a bullet.
Stacy ruined HER OWN wedding because she chose to have an affair with her friend's boyfriend, which caused their breakup and then, asks that SAME friend to be her Maid of Honor and wants to say MOH ruined her wedding by walking out when she learned the truth. I would have walked out too. You told your friend ON YOUR WEDDING DAY that you stole her man. How exactly were you expecting her to take this. Did you REALLY expect her to just smile and forgive you like the bride's husband-to-be did, and continue her role as your Maid of Honor and do everything after you betrayed her like that? At least that is ALL her friend did, after finding out the bride stole her boyfriend. The Maid of Honor DID NOT throw the bride, head first, into the cake, or drench the wedding dress in red wine, and rip it to shreds, use her Maid oh Honor toast to humiliate her friend in revenge or cause a huge scene in front of everybody and have a girl fight with the bride. There was no bloodshed. She simply walked out of the wedding and probably the friendship too. When you look at it from that perspective, the friend who was betrayed acted with grace and good manners.
The bride and groom are upset because their 'once in a lifetime' event got ruined? But her own life got turned upside down by the 'friend' too. Cos she was also planning to marry him and have kids with him too. That all got snatched away from her, which is much, much worse than what she did back to them.
I keep getting so intensely focused on these stories.. (like seriously, these people's lives become my life for like 5 minutes..) but then i see the tiny hand move or do something and i let out a guttural laugh that takes me out of it and thank God lol because i need a minder that these are not MY problems! 😂
10:40 the guy said dave was his age so i don’t blame him for feeling weird about his parents bringing a guy whos the SAME age as him and them kissing on dave at his wedding. Id be different if it was a man similar to their age who maybe was around for his upbringing or at least had a part in his life but he’s some guy who’s dating his parents who sleeps in his childhood bedroom.
I've been thinking that this is a conundrum. If you equate new age relationships (troupkes, polyamory, etc) with more traditional ones (couples, married or not), then you have to accept on some level the partners involved. Would you fail to accommodate the girlfriend of your divorced dad or your mom's new husband? Your sibling's long-term live-in partner?
Oh nice girl or femcel are terms that are used for these types of girls. They don't get abused & over used like the dude versions do though so may not be as well known.
@@bhart3321 btw I guess I heard the term femcel once, but didn't even think of it before you mentioned it, so yeah, they're obviously not that well known.
Charlotte was wrong on this one! Did he lie? Yes, but only after she wouldn't take no for an answer. This is equal to a woman saying that she has a boyfriend so a thirsty guy will back off.
She cried her eyes out because some guy she met that day didn't want to date her? That's intense. She could have easily kept calm and not made a thing about it, if you're gonna blame your wedding being ruined on someone it'd be her, not him. Sis needs to do some work within herself.
Yeah, maybe he wasn't attracted to her physically, but her insistance is what truly made him reject her. Like get a hint, he doesn't want to tell you directly you are not hit type.
The last story weirded me out. I hate being grouped with other black people just because we're black lol also her getting upset because he didn't want her was giving desperate and pushy vibes. If anyone ruined their day it was Liz because she pushed someone on another person, he didn't want her and didn't get what she wanted. She made herself sad lol
While it is weird they tried to shove them together, I DO think he was on some “I don’t get along with black women” ish. He threw out an excuse but immediately went back on it for someone almost ten years younger and of a different race while consistently saying the black woman was “pushy” and “interrogating” him? Bro gives off passport bro/other race women are more submissive vibe. They handled it trashy for sure, but this is an ESH at best.
Fr i don't understand why people do this. I know a couple like this and they do the exact same thing. They paired their black friends together for games at their birthday party and they also paired me with some guy i didn't even know just because we both speak French. It was honestly weird, i even know the black woman better because we've both been in the same language class to learn Swedish together and we got along well so it really didn't make sense that i wasn't paired with her.
@@Fdubsdee OR... or... hear me out... he didn't like this random girl he'd been forced to hang out with just because she wanted someone to fuck and he's also black so her friend thought she could just shove him into her bed. And then he had better chemistry with the other woman, whom he never said he was going to date btw, "we hit it off" means getting along. You can hit it off with someone and become good friends, you don't have to fuck everyone you get along with, i promise. You'll also be surprised to learn that women are more than just vaginas and men are more than just penises. These organs are attached to people. People happen to be friends with each other some times. I promise you, it is not illegal for men and women to get along and not fuck. You are seriously, just as weird as miss cray cray and her friend. He gave no vibes other than "i didn't like this girl and then this other girl who was NOT harassing me was more pleasant to hang out with".
I mean, since Kelly seemed into OP I wonder if she didn't ask to be paired with him, instead of it being solely a matter of race. Maybe she saw pictures of the groomsmen and was like "I want that one, he looks hot".
@@FdubsdeeHa, uhhhhh I dunno but, you really want guys to be honest with women when they turn women down? Let me tell what we would say, narrowing down the basic root of the reason, 95% of the time would be “Eh, I dunno, well, you’re just kinda weird lookin’ 🤷🏻 sorry”
My son is getting married in December to an amazing young lady. I don't understand how any parents think they have anything to say unless directly asked. It's THEIR day! If I have a job at all it's backing them up to do whatever they want for their wedding.
15:36 why does this matter.. if a girl says no it's no. If a guy says no why the fuq does it require a 3rd degree and half an interrogation.. doesn't matter what his reason was.. he said no not interested whether his reason was the truth or a fib he still said NO. Doesn't matter if he hooked up with someone else that's his damn choice. Can't be wearing 2 damn left shoes on this matter.
can't believe Kelly was crying over...not hooking up... Someone not wanting her. That's just weird to have such a strong reaction about a stranger you will never see again.
Believe it! Some women have a sense of entitlement that has come down through society about how they should be treated, yet most of them want to be seen as equal (and in some ways, superior) to men, given privileges that men are not given.
@@jacklow9611 men also have entitlement and even the law supported them and in some countries the law still supports. what privileges do men not have and women do?
@@MphoenixE I never said that men didn't have some social expectations of privileges that didn't extend to women, but there has come down the ideas that woman are delicate flowers that "need" protecting at all times, that it is the man's job to give them anything and everything they desire, that they can beat on a man but can't be given retribution because they're a woman, and a hundred other minor, petty things. While there are, indeed, physical differences between the sexes, most of the other differences are what has come down through social attitudes throughout our history, but men have the same emotions that women do, and the laws that some country has protecting one sex or the other, are nothing but social constructs and are actually moot, and not connected wholly to the human condition, except through those social attitudes and traditions that have come down.
First story: Hear me out: maybe the husband wanted her to make a scathing speech outing the bride and getting revenge via her, but didn’t get what he wanted and now he’s stuck with the bride.
Nah, he could have just told her "So, how do we get back at her?" and plotted together. I wouldn't have had the cool to pretend like it was all fine, I'd have immediately gone fetch the bride and minimum slapped her a couple times, screamed in her face, had a meltdown, and left crying and screaming
On the last story, it was clear that Kelly wanted a relationship, while Jen just wanted some fun. That's why he rejected Kelly but danced with Jen, because Jen wasn't pressuring him into a relationship
Honestly I think the same. Op certainly didn’t have to hook up with her if he didn’t want to, but something about the way he told the story made me side eye him.
Yes! And people dont have to give you a valid reason why they wont date you. No is no. Do you really want someone to date you just because they feel bad rejecting you and cant come up with a good enough excuse? Come on now.
2nd story: I feel like the older sister knows her younger sister and her group well enough to figure out how the night was gonna end for them and so she's right
Same! While I agree with Charlotte that there's no reason a bunch of adults can't have a party without causing tons of chaos, it would entirely depend on the personality/attitudes of the people involved. And clearly, OP knew the people attending the party were more likely to be unhinged, especially when drunk.
Didn’t she say they used “special stuff”? Idk but I think it’s valid. If they are all part taking in substances (liquid or other) why would couples go to a strip club? The jealousy that would bloom in that situation and impaired judgement is crazy.
Why is it when someone does something bad to you and you get pissed, somehow you end up being the bad guy? What kind of bizarre morals are these people living by?
@@ameliecarre4783 They can say whatever they want, it's not like I'm going to be talking to them anymore. I don't talk to people I don't like, and I don't need to talk to people who don't like me. 💪🏽
@@adaliaalvarez7269 It's like shooting the messenger, in a way. Or blaming the whistle blower. Some folks still honestly believe that being brave and strong means taking whatever comes without complaint, and to them someone who denounces an issue is as bad as the one who created the issue, if not worse.
My daughter hates it when I watch your videos. She said that they're "too loud". But that's exactly why I watch. I don't hear very well and I love how loud you are. It's so nice to be able to hear everything someone is saying. 😂
About the last one: Kelly MADE him lie. That's what happens when you don't take an "I don't want to" for a answer and insist until you're satisfied with what you hear. Same happens with guys aaalll the time.
Exactly! In my experience, guys will NOT listen to "you're not my type/I'm just not into you" and Kelly is the same. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
EXACTLY. Everyone does it to try and politely reject people and Kelly was not taking the damn hint! It goes both ways! If the genders were reversed, no one would bat an eye and would agree with op. But because he’s a man it’s not okay? Nah. Kelly should have taken no for no and it was honestly pretty gross of Liz to put the two black people together and expecting that to be enough.
agreed. Women lie all the time to "let men down easy" especially when they refuse to take no for an answer. It's commonly acceptable behavior and now it's wrong for men to do the same thing? This was all on Kelly for not taking no for an answer and for the bride for foolishly trying to play matchmaker at her wedding without informing all parties(the man)
The last story. The blame lies with Liz and Kelly. Liz should not have got her hopes up. Then Kelly should be concentrating on the wedding and not hooking up. Then to be in floods of tears was tactless. The wedding is not about her. If Liz felt this ruined her wedding then it was all her own fault. She can try and match make but people have to do what they want. She doesn't get to have her own way.
Also why is Liz trying to "have it her way" about someone else's relationship? Like yes you can pair the groomsmen and bridesmaids however you want even if it's like "oh it would look good if the two black people walk together" - all that seems fine to me BUT that doesn't give her the right to dictate that they have to have a relationship outside of that! It's so messed up in every way...
1st story: The bride didn "steal" the other womans boyfriend, the boyfriend and the bride DECIDED to cheat. Nobody stole anything from anyone, people actively decided to cheat.
The bride is still a crap friend. Let's stop making excuses for women who sleep with taken men, especially their friend's man. Honestly, if I were in that situation I'd drop the dude and never talk to him again and flip out on my friend because how does a woman do this to another woman they claim to care about???
Let’s not forget the sorry sap of a husband who let’s his wife cheat with friends then not only forgives it, but gets upset that the other betrayed party didn’t. Tom is one pathetic loser. I guess when you don’t have a spine you harvest animosity towards ppl who do.
@@dragonmom4663 i didnt make any excuse for anyone. The bride is a horrible friend but if the man would have said "no thanks" instead of deciding to cheat, we wouldnt be here talking about it. I just said nobody STOLE no one, those were 2 adults who decided to cheat
6:00 They had drugs and went to a strip club. I’m 200 per cent with you on this one, OP, that was one hell of a stupid decision, and they should’ve foreseen that.
I think any time someone tries to push you into a relationship like that, your instinct is to say, "no." They literally just met and Kelly starts listing all the reasons they'd be good together. How does she even know? OP was trying to be kind and Kelly wasn't going to accept that. And nothing says "desperation" more than a woman who loses it because you won't date her. Desperation is NOT attractive. Kelly and Liz ruined that relationship before it ever had a chance to start.
Story n°1 : the truth is, bride couldn't handled her guilt for cheating and confessed to the groom; the groom was angry but didn't want to cause a fuss last minute so he unpacked to the other victim of the affair; the moh decided to leave, I assume because she was really upset and didn't trust herself to keep a good face for the entirety of the day, which is TOTALLY normal. Now the groom is angry at the bride for cheating but he said he forgave her, and the bride is angry at the groom for telling the moh and causing the organization of the wedding day to turn into a mess, but she can't show it, since he forgave her for cheating the least she can do is forgive him for this minor and comprehensible wrongdoing. And since they can't be angry at each other without their brand new marriage founded on sand crumbling down, they take out on her because it's EASY. Meanwhile, nobody appologized to the moh. Seems easy to evaluate everyone's level of AHness here.
@@stephenbanks5952 Out of guilt ? Or for cover ? Or for the simple reason that some friendships are unequal and where one looks on the other as their best friend, the other sees the first as a handyman, available at all hours, always ready and happy to help, that they don't need to respect but can ask anything of and repay in smiles, empty compliments and the honor of being by their side.
13:13 He politely turned her down. He told her no, and she wouldn’t take no for an answer. I thought no was a complete sentence. I hate double standards. Had he done that to her, everyone would be all over him for hounding her. I dealt with this same crap in high school and after. I learned you have to be more forceful with your “No” and even that isn’t a guarantee.
Let me make this clear, there is ZERO coincidence that they told you the day of the wedding. They did that because she didn't want you to quit her wedding. So after ruining your relationship screwing you over as a friend she still wanted you to be her bitching her wedding you're not the a hole. You're the hero in the story!!!
Some extra info to these stories: For the combineren bachelor party, a lot of them got REALLY drunk and some of them also illegal substances. Most of them were under 30 and not the most stable people when they party because they can go to far. Which is why the sister said that this result was to be expected because she knew the people involved. Also the groot got shitfaced and shat himself. The sister and her husband took him to their home in the back of their truck, hosed him off and delivered him back to his bride in one of the sister's old night gowns. For the polyamorous throuple, I believe this whole wedding situation led to the parents breaking up with their much younger third person.
Oh man I needed the extra info on the sister story. I knew there was more to it, but damn that is good. the sister only snorted the bride was the one who asked her why she reacted like that. The bride knew well why that reaction. They just chose to keep it from mum apparently.
I will never understand how you can have an affair with one of your best friends significant other! Honestly, if that happens to you, you’ve dodged a bullet with BOTH of them bc major 🚩🚩🚩
Im with the sister here drugs, alcohol and strippers i honestly cant see it ending well. I have never seen a situation where drugs and alcohol are involved end well
same, bacholerett parties are already famous to cause problems, the set up makes it even worse and with that high of an number of break ups it was not a small group either where one could have been that close and sure, that everyone would be chill, more so, with that number of break ups you should have known at least some of them well enough to know what might blow up!!! I am astonished how charlotte can claim it was to be expected everyone would act like an adult, when her whole channel is build on people proving that no, many many people do in fact not act like adults!!!
OP was doing her best to keep quiet... but her control failed and snorted when her sister whined about "how did this happen"... then, as her parents were there... she was forced to admit she had no sympathy for her younger sister.
How ironic that Stacy didn't even know what was going on after MoH dipped. I'd have to say that was Karma - pretty sure MoH didn't know what was going on either... Aa far as confessions go - I often wonder if people confess to unburden themselves of guilt and don't care that the confession will probably cause pain to the victim of the confession. Live with your guilt - let it eat you alive - you deserve to be miserable. Don't drop your burden of guilt on the innocent victim.
You're right about wanting to get rid of the burden of guilt and caring less about the pain a confession causes to other people. We all care naturally more about our own ailments first, and gosh, can we rationalize and find ourselves excuses ! However, ultimately, even if the intention behing telling the truth was not truly good, and it hurts the person who hears it, it's like taking a band-aid off. Moving forward, truth is a better thing to build on than secrets and lies, so it's better when it comes out.
On the second story, I’m gonna say NTA. If they went to an adult club and got tipsy and resulted in divorces, break ups, and arrests, then it sounds like they were already out of control and had problems beforehand
You know what I would say if I was the OP from #1 and people were saying that I can't leave the wedding because I'm the only one who knows what's going on? "Well ain't that some shit"! 🤣
I've been set up with people who were just "perfect" for me based on race and it's an excellent way to show a friend how you feel about them. In both instances, I realized that I was a token and ended those friendships. People will show you who they really are eventually.
I'm thinking that her friend thought he was hot and got the bride to pair them up. The fact that she cried about it tells me that she was at least in on the set up.
The last one is so true! Putting two people of the same race together doesn’t mean that they are gonna have an instant connection! The only connection to them is that they are the same race
The whole thing is so weird 😭 brides pls don’t ever have any other intentions when pairing up the wedding party. If they happen to fall in love then let it happen naturally, Love should neva be forced
Polyamorous is the right term for people having multiple partners/relationships, and a polycule is a group of people who (generally) are all in a relationship with each other and/or have a significant level of mutual commitment.
15:31 hey now. He don’t owe any of them women anything. It always goes over bad no matter how nicely u put it that ur not attracted to them especially when ur attracted to someone else n they can see it. What he said was solid. Lmao.
2 things - - for the bachelor/ette party, sure a joined party CAN go well, the difference is OP knows those people and we don't. So maybe it was a forgone conclusion that this would happen with that group of people - For the paired up Groomsman and Bridesmaid, he was straightforward with her at first, he only came up a reason that wasn't fully honest AFTER she kept pushing even after he said he wasn't interested, in order to get her to back off. Which is something women do all the time, and no one has an issue with, because why would they? There's nothing wrong with doing that.
I'm a lesbian and I relate to that last. I can't even count how many times a hetero friend of mine decided me & another lesbian friend of their's would hit it off merely because we were both gay 🙄
Same. I remember being pushed to date this guy because “you’re so much alike”. Turns out we were so much alike that when I picked up the phone to break up, he was already on the line. He had called me at the same time to break up with me 😂
I’m in a throuple. My SO and I decided to bring someone into our relationship a few years ago. It’s not for everyone but it works for us. Of course, our families had reservations.. and concerns 😂 but everyone is use to it now. Never in a million years would I try to bring our girlfriend to an event where people were uncomfortable with our relationship. Hell, that’d make her just as uncomfortable. It’s incredibly disrespectful to push that on someone… much less, your CHILDREN. 😳😳
But I don´t really understand why the guy that is gay expects to be respected, but can not give any respect to the throuple relationship of others, just because it is not the relationship he is used to and "comfortable" with. Super interesting actually.
@@insideAdirtyMind maybe I didn’t hear that part… everything I heard was the parents being the one that pushed the situation. But I agree, they should’ve made more of an effort to introduce and connect before this big day.
@@insideAdirtyMind From what I understand hearing the story, it's not about the throuple or anything queer. It's that he does not know this person, doesn't have a relationship with him, and would be uncomfortable having him at his tiny wedding. If the situation was different and not poly - say, he had a single mother who got a new boyfriend the same age as OP who moved in, and mom never tried to introduce them or facilitate a relationship - I think OP's discomfort would be the same.
@@insideAdirtyMindbecause when you plan your wedding, you only invite people that you want there. Why would you pay for someone that you don't want there? He doesn't even know him. His parents are being very selfish! His wedding isn't about them; it's about him and his husband!
I think that the guy at 15:53 said that he did try to let her down easy but figured that his explanation was the only one she would accept or respect. Happens all the time - when women get hit on, sometimes the only way to get a guy to back off is to give him some reason he can't refute - because he'll just keep asking WHY WHY WHY to wear them down. This is the case here, but gender flipped. He did nothing wrong.
@charlote thank you so much for your content. Im new mpm and through the mum responsibilities I can't just go for girls night put and you fill this gap perfectly ...the gossip the laughter . Thank you
After watching every AITA series about weddings here. I can def say that I'm so lucky to have amazing set of friends who took care of almost everything in my wedding even with the preparations before that. There are still toxic family members who attended but at least I get to focus so much on my husband and everything else went smoothly. My wedding happened just 3weeks ago and it was a success💕
Congratulations! Sometimes we can't eliminate toxic family from our lives, but we can instead focus on what really matters, and it sounds like you did just that. Wishing you a long and happy marriage!
For the final story i do want to point out that just because he hits it off with another brides maid doesnt mean he feels romantically towards her. Hitting it off can mean friends. Edit: im come back to this comment a month after leaving it and i have 23 comments. Wtf why did i not get notified any of them.
I was thinking the same! I was a bridesmaid for one of my friends and I got on really well with one of the groomsmen - but as friends, nothing more (& we both understood that). In fact, we're still friends now and we're both married to other people. We share a sense of humour, not attraction. Why do people assume that a man and a woman can't be friends?!
Even if they hooked up, it was clear Kelly wanted a husband. Jen was likely there for fun since she's still focused on her education and not likely as interested in a long term relationship.
I was about to say the same, he even told Kelly and Liz they were just friends. Hitting it off doesn't mean hooking up. I also don't get why he couldn't dance with somebody else at the reception. How is this "inappropriate" were they grinding against each other, was she twerking against him? He's right, no means no, it's true for men too.
It wasn't specifically stated but I think Jen went up to his room. I feel like they hooked up. If they didn't I think he would have said because this would support his stance even more.
13:15 - This is super uncomfortable. And I don't understand this creepy wedding idea that the Bride & Groom can just start shipping their bridesmaids and groomsmen. Besides, Kelly made everything super uncomfortable by bringing race and her sexual harassment into it. Yuck. Liz sounds so annoying.
First story, I agree having the MoH go through with it and then drop the news during her speech might have been worse for the bride but a legit way to respond.
I’ve heard the joint bachelor/ bachelorette party story before where they read OP replies and from what I recall, that bridal party was a crap show from the start 😂 several had slept/ cheated with or on each other before, including one girl who’s ex was there but she was attending with her current guy (who she cheated on the ex with). I believe the ex started flirting with her aggressively and the new bf jumped in and that was the fight that got started with 1 of them going to jail. The couple that got divorced I believe was a wife who was caught doing an Eiffel tower move with a sex worker and another member of the groom’s party (Not her husband) I can’t remember the other stories off the top of my head, but def go check out OP’s comments - it was WILD (and definitely a bad idea to get this specific group together for a night of drinking and drugs no matter the occasion) 😅😂 7:00
On the last story, I believe Kelly, the girl who got turned down, was partially at fault for the bogus excuse. When someone tells you no…no matter their gender it’s a full sentence. No explanation needed. She continued to interrogate him which wasn’t fair. I’m allowed to say no to hooking up or touching someone without explaining why. So was he.
Speaking to the last story about putting 2 Black people together because they are Black, yes, please stop that! My brother moved into town and not all of my friends and acquaintances met him at the same time. I was later told the following story about my own brother. Someone's husband saw my bro 1st and recommended him for me romantically, as if I was even looking 🙄🙄🙄, and was told by his wife that he's my brother. Glad he was embarrassed. Not all Black people are looking to be set up with other Black people. So unnecessary
This sort of thing can also happen when you are gay and you meet someone who has one gay friend and they decide that you would be perfect for each other. It never works out. We can choose for ourselves.
Always let people choose for themselves, and if they ask you specifically show them all the single friends still letting them choose and more importantly approach the person themselves not setting up stupid blind dates and such.
@@sambee8815 It's about choosing for ourselves and not having someone match make for us based solely on our race. As I stated, someone wanted to set me up with my own brother until he was set straight. Also, I love other Black people but I am cautious with everyone. And interracial dating and interracial marriage are one of the most beautiful things
OMG you are hilarious! I just found you on UA-cam. The parents in the ‘thriple’ relationship who wanted to bring him to the wedding was too funny.... and the little hand makes everything that much more hilarious 🥰
As someone who has been in several polycules, some involving pre-existing children and large age gaps, if the child and I had no relationship (or even if we did) and was getting married and asked their bio parents to attend without me I'd be more than fine with that. And if they pulled what OP's parents did I'd go off on them. That's entirely inappropriate. Fucking respect your child's wishes on their big day. It's their wedding to invite who they want
My husband and I had a joint stag's do and hen's do at my sister's house (we called it a hag do), it was just a bbq with our family and some wedding guests, as we chose not to have a big wedding party. No drama, no "last night of freedom" antics, good food, good laughs, good times. And cheap. 😂
Oh no no no no no....The fact that they finally came clean and told the bridesmaid about the affair was COMPLETELY for themselves. That bride had zero concern for the bridesmaid who should NOT have been asked to be her bridesmaid in the first place because she was actively lying to her by not telling her what had happened. The bride was 100% using her then to go on social media and put HER on blast ?! Just NO.
15:22 I mean that was the best option. Because this is the “truth” from that man’s perspective. “I’m sorry Kelly you are objectively a pretty woman but I have zero physical or emotional attraction to you.” Like yeah it’s “truthful” but is it….better? I don’t think so it’s an unfortunate fact regardless of gender some people don’t understand the phrase “no means no” so short of being completely callous no “sparing of her feelings” whatsoever. There’s no way to get that message across. He’s gonna be the villain no matter what in that groups eyes.
This is my bi-annual statement that Charlotte and her editor are a match made in heaven! Also, I just wish some people could understand that when a guy/girl expresses they aren't attracted to you, it's not necessarily them saying you're unattractive!
Tom knew she would likely not take the news well. He for sure told her because he wanted a reaction. Or more likely to justify the hurt he was still feeling even though he claims to have forgiven. She is not the AH for walking out on the wedding. She’s a saint for ONLY walking out on the wedding
Good take! Tom and Liz were both wanting everyone else to do the dirty work. Liz wanted to avoid telling her and Tom wanted her to cause a scene so he didn’t have to.
Yeah, I kinda felt that he wanted OP to forgive his bride because he wanted to validate his own forgiveness in an effort to convince himself he's not making a huge mistake.
Can you imagine asking other people to replace your former wedding party - them knowing that they weren't good enough for her to ask the first time around??
Why did that girl ruin her friends wedding crying and complaining and make it all about her because some random Stanger didn't want to hook up and date her? SHE should've left if she couldn't control herself enough to let the bride enjoy her WEDDING. 🤦♀️
The 2 black pple story. He told her no. She got belligerent. He tried to calm down the situation. She accused him of having a fetish. He said whatever he needed to to get her off him. She refused to accept No he owed her nothing
So, I was raised by a polyamorous triad so I feel I have some relatively unique insight into the "polycule" story. All three of them (my bio mom and dad and my non-bio mom) raised me and all three are equally my parents to me. They are "out" with all of their family and have experienced everything from full acceptance, being disowned, and everything in between. Here's how they handle weddings with the family that falls into the "in between" category: the people who are invited are the ones that attend (unless nobody wants to go, obviously). People can invite who they want to their wedding and if someone doesn't want your partner there, why would that partner want to go? That's just uncomfortable for everyone. A wedding is a private party. Nobody is entitled to be there. If you don't want to attend the wedding of someone who doesn't fully support your relationship, you don't go. You can't control who accepts your situation, you can only control your own choices. Demanding an invite for your partner is such an immature and ineffective way to deal with it.
The first story perfectly reflects how I would hope to respond to that kind of devastating news. In the past, I would've been a door mat and numbed my way through to "be polite and save face and do the right thing, take the high ground." And I probably would never have forgiven myself. Walking out is the correct response. She did not deserve to be stepped on, humiliated and belittled. And anyone on Stacy/Tom's side is someone who cannot be trusted and does not deserve to be in her life.
1st Story
This woman (1) had an affair with your boyfriend, (2) looked you dead in the eye and comforted you through the breakup without admitting that she was the cause and the reason for your pain, (3) asked you to be the MOH of her wedding to her boyfriend that she cheated on, (4) and then to proceeds to play victim after you rightfully walked out of her wedding after discovering her atrocious and completely UNFORGIVABLE behavior.
Imagine the level of selfishness. How manipulative. How utterly despicable.
“It was a long time ago.” No, it wasn’t. Just because the boyfriend is a spineless coward with no self respect, doesn’t mean you have to degrade yourself as well. And he debated telling you!!! These two people were gonna sit quietly about their sins against you until his guilt couldn’t keep his mouth shut.
Throw them and anyone who defends them out the door. Block them all.
Well, let's call her friend The Whore. Call a ♠️ a ♠️. Period. Marriage won't last.
Also her ex-boyfriend and The Whore's fiancé are both spineless.
Yes indeed! I agree with you 💯!!!
Totally agree with your opinion. I like the way you think.
💯 This! Well said!
the fact that Stacy had an affair with John, hurt her bestie, and STILL had the nerve to ask her to be in her wedding? yeah no, Stacy ruined her own wedding by sleeping with someone else
And had the nerve to ask OP to basically plan the whole wedding for free
Not just be in her wedding but pretty much organise it for her 😂
I can already see Tom's future post on Reddit: "I just found out my 4 kids aren't mine, my wife has been cheating on me since my honeymoon, I don't understand, there weren't any red flags!!!! What should I do?" 😂😂😂 he is a damn idiot
@@Blaublahblue yep that too
It says to me she was MoH out of guilt, not friendship.
For that last story, he did try just turning Kelly down. After saying no, he got interrogated, where he tried to politely say no again. He didn’t make up the “I don’t do short term” thing until he felt backed into a corner.
Honestly, if someone was being that verbally aggressive with me after I’ve tried letting the down gently several times, I’d probably say whatever it took to get them to back down, too
And a mature person would just accept they were trying to let them down gently and not call them out on their little fib.
Completely agree with this, and it's so true.
If their genders were flipped. People would be so upset, and calling the guy names.
EVERYONE GETS TO GIVE THEIR CONSENT.
It doesn't matter your gender.
@@missytina6085I was thinking the same thing! Imagine you showed up as a bridesmaid and were paired with a groomsman and expected to have sex with him, then people get upset that you like Mike better and aren't a prostitute who gets loaned out at weddings to people's friends. You want to choose your partner.
Even without the race element, this man is not an escort. And how is Kelly so invested that she's crying? I smell crazy. Your boyfriend didn't leave with another girl. A stranger who has never asked you out on a single date chose the girl he wanted. That's life, sweetie.
Kelly sounds like she was never told "no" as a child
Kelly wasn’t taking “no” for an answer & kept pushing the issue. In order to spare Kelly’s feelings, OP gave a plausible explanation/excuse. People seriously need to stop demanding reasons when what they really want isn’t the truth, but to badger others into giving them their way.
The last story- it doesn’t matter why the guy doesn’t want to date Kelly. He doesn’t owe an explanation, he has a right to date whomever he wishes. Kelly needs to learn that no means no. And the bride needs to chill. Just because it’s her wedding doesn’t mean she gets to dictate who her guests date or dance with. If he’s not into you, move on!! Blaming somebody for rejecting you is never the right answer.
However it could be a chauvanistic thing where he and Kelly are the same age but he goes for the girl who is too young for him. So the optics are bad and he just looks like a sexist jerk.
If the genders were flipped and the guy didn't accept no for an answer, it would be super creepy. Kelly is creepy.
@@stephanieirby8406 So are the bride and groom. Its as if they think they can breed their friends. And micromanage the wedding in a bizarre extra way.
@@LiseWrigley Agreed
@@LiseWrigleywhy does it matter? He is being coerced, made to feel bad, for his preference when he has every right to not be interested.
No Charlotte, the groomsman didn’t owe Kelly an explanation. He was pressured into giving one, even if it wasn’t 100% truthful. She couldn’t take a hint, so he chose not to hurt her feelings. Kelly and Liz are crazy.
I feel that sometimes as a woman, Charlotte has some biased expectations based on her gender towards such issues. Not the first time I feel that she seems harsher on males in her videos.
If the genders were flipped and the guy didn't except no for an answer, it would be super creepy. Kelly is creepy.
I was looking for this comment. Agreed, he was untruthful to a stranger who was making him uncomfortable.
100% agree! It’s like when you let a guy down easy by saying “sorry I’m seeing someone else” even if you’re not. You’re just letting them down easy and you don’t owe them anything, they are a stranger for all intensive purposes
you dont need a reason to say no
u just dont wanna
like heck
u can bouth be married and together
and u have a right to say no to sx cuz u dont wanna /feel like it
noone needs a reason to say no to someone
ur spouse if ur married
or a random ass person hitting on u
Okay, the sister laughing at the sisters failed bachelorette/bachelor party posted an update. She did sincerely apologize, also explained that her sisters group was basically a bunch of swingers (nothing wrong with that) but it was in character for something like this to happen especially with the added drugs. The sisters are good now and moving forward with everything but that’s why OP could see issues coming from a mile away.
Thanks for the update!!
They bought a bunch of drugs. Also the thing about swingers is there is supposed to be rules.
If she wasn't ASKED DIRECTLY when the sister was complaining about it, perhaps she wouldn't have said 'what did you expect to happen?'
If she'd walked up and said that unprovoked, it would be wrong. But when you're asked a direct question whilst someone is whining at you... I don't know what else you could have said, other than express that you're not at all surprised!
If she had said 'yeah, that's terrible, I can't believe that happened', dollars to donuts the sister would have carried on further with 'yeah, aren't they wrong, they're such jerks, don't you think I should [do this to get revenge] to pay them back?' which is somewhere you don't want to go!
So best to shut it down. 'I'm not surprised.'
Maybe the sister can then go and whine to someone else about what happened - someone who didn't know full well that it WOULD happen and might be able to fake genuine sympathy or whatever.
Never understood why some people use "bachelor(ette)" parties as an excuse to misbehave to the extreme & make fools of themselves without accepting the consequences of their actions. If my friends & family behaved this way i would disown them & elope.
I feel sorry for OP as bride's parents seem to make a habit of excusing her poor decisions & not holding her accountable. I get the feeling OP is tired of sister's self inflicted drama.
Nah, the groomsman is not in the wrong, the fact he HAD to give any reason as to why he wasn’t into that Kelly girl is fucked up. No one should ever have to justify why they are not receptive to other people’s advances. If you say no THAT IS IT. You should not be interrogated, you should not be questioned, and even if you give an “excuse” that bridesmaid is still in the wrong cause you are being forced to say something to her to get you out of a situation that you should not be pressured into in the first place. He said no, he wasn’t leading anyone on, he didn’t say anything that would have told Kelly there was even a chance they could try anything together, he straight up said NO is enough. It does not matter what he does if a consenting adult afterwards cause the world does not revolve around you
That brings up an interesting point. Girls/women are going off on this "No means no" kick (which I do agree with) but it seems that they are trying to say that that is just for them and that a man does not have the same privilege to say "no" to a woman and accept it. That seems to me that they want their cake and to eat it too.
@@jacklow9611 I don't think it's necessarily a gender thing. It might be a "I haven't been in this situation yet" thing. It's always easier to say "no means no" when you're the one doing the rejecting. But ofc people are often hypocrites too.
@@jacklow9611 Women and girls are not a pack with a hive mind; just because you have one anecdote (or even a handful) about a female psycho who insists and another female who backs her, doesn't mean that ALL women everywhere have decided to keep the "no means no" for themselves, that's ridiculous. Of course, on the basis of what we know of that story, I don't think you'll find that many women who will defend the bride and "Kelly" over the groomsman. It's only that so often and for so long, it's been drilled in our minds that men are hunters and women are preys, usually men are pursuing and women are the ones who must say no when they're not interested , rather than the other way around. So obviously they're the ones who have to say no multiple times, and fend off questions about why, and have to look hysterical when they have to yell to be left alone. Statistically.
@@jacklow9611 so were just generalizing all women then I'm a survivor and no means no regardless of gender.
He was trying to be nice. Was he supposed to say "I'm not attracted to you'? Or something meaner?
I agreed so loudly when you said parents should not be dating the same age as their kids! I am literally living that 😅
Stacy and Tom ruined their own wedding. The Maid of Honour was that most honorable person there by removing herself from the scene. She could have created so much more drama by staying. These are toxic people to avoid in future.
I guarantee “Stacy” will cheat on “Tom” pretty quickly
i’d luvvv to know where they are now 😂
You mean “is continuing to cheat”
Well, she already has done so with "John," so...
Oh yeah if she’s not cheating already. What a narcissist
Stacy sounds like the type who will probably persuade Tom to "observe" the two of them in the near future. "See, it's better that we're not going behind your back this time"
I'm assuming the sister who laughed at the bride's panic over the trainwreck over the combined bachelorette/bachelor party has that opinion because she KNEW the people involved. Can a combined party go off without a problem? Absolutely! I actually like that idea. Sounds like it'd be a blast. But perhaps it was the specific individuals involved that made the event a trainwreck. At least that was how I was understanding it.
Exactly. She knew what we don’t: the personality of the people involved.
Yeah this sounds like the sister knew the people in the wedding party and that this was going to be a disaster that should have been predicted. It would be like smoking near something flammable. It might not blow up but if it does it is not a surprise.
Same. I’ve seen some combined parties go great. But I’ve been to two that ended in both parties going to jail and me taxing people home because I don’t drink to get drunk. I just drink to enjoy the drink.
YES! That's what I was going to say! The sister must have know what kind of people her sister's friends are so the judgement made sense.
Yeah the sister is 23. Which means all their friends are about that age. They already have at least one other married couple in the group and she’s getting married. It just screams immature friend group. They type of people who are low key competing to be grownups by rushing milestones instead of letting them happen. This party just fast forwarded their lives by like ten years
Story 1: OP DID handle it privately. She quietly left the wedding party smd didnt attend the wedding. It's not her fault the bride plastered her face all over the wedding website and everybody noticed. Also she could have done it really publicly and went to the wedding acting as if everything was good and then when they asked if anybody objected she could have got up and said, "yeah, I object. She's a cheating piece of shit."
But she didn’t.
I was thinking the same thing. She could have waited until her toast, and then, with a huge smile on her face and making sure she was being recorded, said something along the lines of, "My best friend - The one thing I will always remember you most by, is the time you spread your whore legs and fxcked my boyfriend! Do you remember that? Surely you do, bc you just confessed to Tom a couple days ago abt cheating on him, so.... thank goodness he told me this morning so I could be in on the joke as well! Isn't it so funny how you cheated on your now husband and screwed over & lied to your "best friend"?! "
She cd have said smthng like that and *then* left.
I can’t imagine having the audacity to not only cheat on my bf, but do it with my best friend’s BF. THEN AFTER THEY BREAK UP, ASK HER TO BE IN MY WEDDING AND DO EVERYTHING FOR ME!!! Can you imagine what kind of person acts that way, and then gets upset not because she burned her friend, but because said friend found out and it “ruined her day”. We are better off without people like this in our lives!!! Geez, that’s so cold.
It defies logic and then these people have a partner standing behind them!!
He only made up the "I don't do short term" thing to try and save Kelly's feelings because she insisted on knowing why he turned her down. He turned her down politely at first and only when she insisted did he make up the lie.
Just because you are paired up for a wedding ceremony doesn’t mean you have to spend the rest of the evening with them. Obviously two strangers came together for the ceremony but didn’t hit it off. He was honest and said no. Kelly was childish for her strong reaction to being told no.
I feel like Liz blew smoke up her arse, telling her that he would be interested, and then she spat the dummy when he wasn't. I've had a similar situation in reverse, when I refused to give a guy my number (after other people had encouraged him), and he wasn't pleased, especially when my reason was "I don't want to."
It kinda happened at my friends wedding last year all the single groomsmen were paired up with the single bridesmaids. It was obvious why me and the bridesmaid I got were paired up it was because we were the only high calorie people in the group 😂😂 she realized it just as fast as I did and it bothered her so she spilled the beans some of the single bridesmaids were not single and one of them had multiple STDs 🤦🏽♂️ I informed the guys and we split after the reception and took the bridesmaid I was paired with because she saved one of us from catching something. It was a fun night in Vegas the next day at breakfast a lot of the bridesmaids were mad because they couldn't agree on anything and most of them had a boring night just sitting around in a hotel room on their phones drinking and of course it was all the mens fault
Liz had just decided that he was Kelly’s true love 🙄
@@lainey123pretty much
Also it’s insane to me that this somehow “ruined” the wedding for Liz… like idk if that’s Kelly being too focused on herself during her friends wedding or Liz blowing so much smoke up Kelly’s ass beforehand that she had to continue to make a huge deal even on her wedding her day… like… bruh it’s a wedding, who tf cares if a bridesmaid and groomsman pairing don’t hit it off 😂😂
1st story, she is absolutely the AH. To not go to the wedding and witness the destruction in person? How could you deny yourself that opportunity??
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Had us in the first half ngl 😂
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He doesn’t owe her an explanation for not wanting to hook up, no is a complete sentence.
I can’t help but wonder if Tom told OP because he verbally forgave Stacey, but is still struggling emotionally and wanted to gauge OP’s reaction as the other person involved. Basically if OP forgave Stacey, then he could be comfortable being married to her, but OP won’t forgive, and Tom has to face that he hasn’t either, but doesn’t know how to get out of this relationship, so he’s taking it out on OP.
First of all, matching Kelly Kapoor clips with the “crying Kelly” story is just content and editing mastery. Kudos.
See, here's the thing with the last story. He basically told her he wasn't interested in her first, and then had to give those extra reasons after she wouldn't back off. He actually started to make a connection with the other girl. He DID tell her, she didn't listen.
Exactly. If genders were reversed, the argument would be that the guy was too pushy. But here? He isn't "being truthful". Not happy with that take on this story.
@@thebigkapowskiHe wasn't truthful... instead of telling her straight up that he wasn't interested in her, he said he made an excuse saying he doesn't like "flings" but then turns around and goes and has a fling with Jen.. He was not truthful but had he been, she probably wouldnt have been so pushy
@@maiafloress Fling? What are you talking about. All he did was dance with jen.
@@maiafloress Also he most likely said that so to not make her feel bad. Guaranteed if it was a woman in his place you wouldn't be saying anything like that because it's straight up incelous
It very much gave me “but why? I’m a good guy!” Energy. But she couldn’t take a simple no.
That first story, that was a tactical move. They hoped that with how much OP had put into the wedding, she would grin and bare it for the sake of the wedding. Then, if OP blew up after the wedding, they could discredit her rage in front of their friends as "But you didn't say anything before and did the wedding so you must have been okay with it!"
No, those 2 dipshits saw this as a way to force OP to "forgive" the friend as well as save face if OP expressed anger after. OP did the right thing to just walk the hell away because it totally blew up their plans. No forced "forgiveness" and her rage can't be discredited cause she expressed it then and not later.
I agree with you, she did the right thing by walking away, clearly could have been a emotional bigger mess during the wedding and avoided emotional outbursts she might have been feeling, trying to make her seem like a terrible person. Those are terrible friends.
That was an emotional crap show thrice over. By the bride for waiting till right before the wedding to tell the groom either forcing forgiveness or call off the big event, groom for dropping such an emotional bomb on poor OP in an already stressful situation as well as having to be the one to tell her at all, and OP for having to deal with it all on a day when emotions were already likely running high. Just a shit sandwich no matter how you look at it. >.
totally agree with you!
It probably would have been smoother if they told her AFTER the wedding. There was no need to tell her before.
The last story really got under my skin. It doesn't matter what reason he wasn't into the girl the point is HE JUST WASN'T! And he's allowed to be attracted to someone else regardless of age, race, or the opinions of others. If the bride allowed that to ruin her night that is on her. That's some next level craziness right there!
Also I respect that man 10 times more for being so nice about the whole thing. I would be pissed if I was in his shoes... like not only is she trying to set him up behind his back but she also just assumed he's gotta be into black women 'cause he's black which is giving me racist vibes AND then got pissed when he wasn't interested and started interragating him as if it's any of her business why he doesn't like her. Yes he may or may not want flings but even if he lied about that it's something he had to say to get out of a situation that didn't need to happen in the first place. And him then hitting it off with a white woman just tells me he's definitly not racist and seems to care more about the personality. This man is a good one and I hope he doesn't have to deal with a mess like that again. I'm glad he got to enjoy himself despite the drama - he deserves it!
@@GubbiGapalso, how many of us women have had to lie to get out of uncomfortable situations? I can think of a few off the top of my head.
Lied about my name, my number, my relationship status.
When someone won’t take no as an answer we’re left with little choice.
Kelly has most definitely lied before.
She and Liz are jerks.
@@Mama_Bear524i was thinking the same exact thing. No one would think twice if it was reversed and a woman gave a false reason for not being interested in a man who wouldnt accept no the first time. You cant force someone to like you. It just makes you creepy to be so persistent after politely being told their not interested in you. As a woman ive def been in that situation and its def majorly uncomfortable
The thirst was real with her and she wouldn't take no for an answer and forced him to lie to get her to back off. No different than when women lied and say they have a boyfriend to get a thirsty guy to back off. Just imagine if two men were trying to force a woman to get with one of them!
"And he's allowed to be attracted to someone else regardless of age..."
no
Story 1: she did the right thing to walk away. Letting her have her wedding was the biggest mercy. Go for her.
I had a joint bachelor/ette party with an actual school bus (it was free and we were young and broke planning a wedding lol... also really fun). We had an amazing time bar hopping and got absolutely trashed lol. I split off for a while with my girls and went to a drag show, the guys continued drinking. My then future husband rode home on said school bus with his head in my lap, wasted and telling me how happy he is and how much he loves me. He doesnt actually remember that part but I knew I made the best choice, I also drunkenly cried tears of joy here. Fast forward 8 years and I am still remarkably smitten and head over heals in love with my wonderful husband.
I’m in a poly relationship, and I do not expect to be invited to events where people do not know me. In fact I wouldn’t feel comfortable, unless I was asked specifically to attend. Otherwise it would just be awkward.
Having said that, the children are all cool with me being in the relationship, and have invited me to events, and treat me as part of the family. All the kids are adults, and they are lovely.
They should never have put their son in that position.
They obviously want their polycule to be accepted, but forcing it upon people is not going to make it happen.
The way I see it, is they don’t know Dave, so why would they invite him to their wedding. He’s after all a stranger to them.
In Dave’s situation, I would not be offended in the slightest at not being invited.
As Charlotte often says, “don’t go where you’re not wanted.”
Exactly! Been there done that! 😉✌
Not to mention he's close to the same age as op, that alone is so uncomfortable
Just to play devil's advocate, replace polycule with "gay partner". Then it sounds homophobic. While from a purely gut feeling I agree with you, what's the difference?
@@Wendylovespitties Polycule is when everyone in the relationship is in a relationship with each other. While polyamorous means that not everyone is necessarily in a relationship with each over.
@@Twilight.Knight The age thing doesn’t bother me. I was 21 years younger than my late wife, and we had a wonderful relationship.
The poly relationship I am in, I am the oldest person in it. But only by 8 years.
I have noticed that age differences are seen as a bigger deal in North America, than they are here in the UK.
My late wife was American, the difference in reactions in our age gap, was seen drastically differently in both of our countries.
Mostly in the UK it is seen as, that as long as you are happy, and you’re all adults, then it’s fine. While in the USA, you mention a large age gap, and jaws drop.
What is most important, is how comparable you are. My late wife and I were extremely close and had an amazing 18 years together. She was such a wonderful person.
One night shortly after engagement Kelly was bemoaning her single status to Liz. Who asked Tom if he had any nice black friends, Tom remembered OP and included him in the wedding party. Liz and Kelly spend months inventing a relationship between them and the day of the wedding their fantasy hits reality and neither can take it. It is basically the plot of Emma, not saying OP is lying, just saying Jane Austen understanding of human nature was genius level.
omg that is SO probable.
As an Austen fan, I stan this plot.
And Emma sucks. Not necessarily the book, just her.
@@adaliaalvarez7269 The book doesn't suck at all. And Emma learns and grows.
That absolutely happened and it's sad grown adults forget about the human+real life aspect
That would explain why they went off on him like that. Yeesh! They way they were behaving you'd have thought they had been together for awhile and he was cheating on her. 🙄 They had plans for him. He didn't follow their plan, and it's his fault. 😂 The guy dodged a bullet.
Stacy ruined HER OWN wedding because she chose to have an affair with her friend's boyfriend, which caused their breakup and then, asks that SAME friend to be her Maid of Honor and wants to say MOH ruined her wedding by walking out when she learned the truth. I would have walked out too. You told your friend ON YOUR WEDDING DAY that you stole her man. How exactly were you expecting her to take this. Did you REALLY expect her to just smile and forgive you like the bride's husband-to-be did, and continue her role as your Maid of Honor and do everything after you betrayed her like that? At least that is ALL her friend did, after finding out the bride stole her boyfriend. The Maid of Honor DID NOT throw the bride, head first, into the cake, or drench the wedding dress in red wine, and rip it to shreds, use her Maid oh Honor toast to humiliate her friend in revenge or cause a huge scene in front of everybody and have a girl fight with the bride. There was no bloodshed. She simply walked out of the wedding and probably the friendship too. When you look at it from that perspective, the friend who was betrayed acted with grace and good manners.
The bride and groom are upset because their 'once in a lifetime' event got ruined? But her own life got turned upside down by the 'friend' too. Cos she was also planning to marry him and have kids with him too. That all got snatched away from her, which is much, much worse than what she did back to them.
I keep getting so intensely focused on these stories.. (like seriously, these people's lives become my life for like 5 minutes..) but then i see the tiny hand move or do something and i let out a guttural laugh that takes me out of it and thank God lol because i need a minder that these are not MY problems! 😂
10:40 the guy said dave was his age so i don’t blame him for feeling weird about his parents bringing a guy whos the SAME age as him and them kissing on dave at his wedding. Id be different if it was a man similar to their age who maybe was around for his upbringing or at least had a part in his life but he’s some guy who’s dating his parents who sleeps in his childhood bedroom.
I've been thinking that this is a conundrum. If you equate new age relationships (troupkes, polyamory, etc) with more traditional ones (couples, married or not), then you have to accept on some level the partners involved. Would you fail to accommodate the girlfriend of your divorced dad or your mom's new husband? Your sibling's long-term live-in partner?
Kelly would be deservedly called a creep and a "nice guy"™ if she was a dude. No means no for us too, ladies, no one owes you a reason why.
Oh nice girl or femcel are terms that are used for these types of girls. They don't get abused & over used like the dude versions do though so may not be as well known.
@@bhart3321 btw I guess I heard the term femcel once, but didn't even think of it before you mentioned it, so yeah, they're obviously not that well known.
Charlotte was wrong on this one! Did he lie? Yes, but only after she wouldn't take no for an answer. This is equal to a woman saying that she has a boyfriend so a thirsty guy will back off.
100% agree!
@@seeya205exactly! I’m tired of the double standards. Men don’t want to have sex with every woman they meet.
She cried her eyes out because some guy she met that day didn't want to date her? That's intense.
She could have easily kept calm and not made a thing about it, if you're gonna blame your wedding being ruined on someone it'd be her, not him.
Sis needs to do some work within herself.
Yeah, maybe he wasn't attracted to her physically, but her insistance is what truly made him reject her. Like get a hint, he doesn't want to tell you directly you are not hit type.
THIS. It's gross that the bride is blaming OP for not being attracted to Kelly and not blaming Kelly for her emotional outburst.
She sounds deranged
Exactly! I think kelly isn’t used to hearing no, and that she was jealous of the other girl. Which is actually sad, she must be insecure.
Agree. She’s unhinged and he dodged a bullet
The last story weirded me out. I hate being grouped with other black people just because we're black lol also her getting upset because he didn't want her was giving desperate and pushy vibes. If anyone ruined their day it was Liz because she pushed someone on another person, he didn't want her and didn't get what she wanted. She made herself sad lol
While it is weird they tried to shove them together, I DO think he was on some “I don’t get along with black women” ish. He threw out an excuse but immediately went back on it for someone almost ten years younger and of a different race while consistently saying the black woman was “pushy” and “interrogating” him? Bro gives off passport bro/other race women are more submissive vibe. They handled it trashy for sure, but this is an ESH at best.
Fr i don't understand why people do this. I know a couple like this and they do the exact same thing. They paired their black friends together for games at their birthday party and they also paired me with some guy i didn't even know just because we both speak French. It was honestly weird, i even know the black woman better because we've both been in the same language class to learn Swedish together and we got along well so it really didn't make sense that i wasn't paired with her.
@@Fdubsdee OR... or... hear me out... he didn't like this random girl he'd been forced to hang out with just because she wanted someone to fuck and he's also black so her friend thought she could just shove him into her bed.
And then he had better chemistry with the other woman, whom he never said he was going to date btw, "we hit it off" means getting along. You can hit it off with someone and become good friends, you don't have to fuck everyone you get along with, i promise.
You'll also be surprised to learn that women are more than just vaginas and men are more than just penises. These organs are attached to people. People happen to be friends with each other some times. I promise you, it is not illegal for men and women to get along and not fuck.
You are seriously, just as weird as miss cray cray and her friend. He gave no vibes other than "i didn't like this girl and then this other girl who was NOT harassing me was more pleasant to hang out with".
I mean, since Kelly seemed into OP I wonder if she didn't ask to be paired with him, instead of it being solely a matter of race. Maybe she saw pictures of the groomsmen and was like "I want that one, he looks hot".
@@FdubsdeeHa, uhhhhh I dunno but, you really want guys to be honest with women when they turn women down? Let me tell what we would say, narrowing down the basic root of the reason, 95% of the time would be “Eh, I dunno, well, you’re just kinda weird lookin’ 🤷🏻 sorry”
My son is getting married in December to an amazing young lady. I don't understand how any parents think they have anything to say unless directly asked. It's THEIR day! If I have a job at all it's backing them up to do whatever they want for their wedding.
15:36 why does this matter.. if a girl says no it's no. If a guy says no why the fuq does it require a 3rd degree and half an interrogation.. doesn't matter what his reason was.. he said no not interested whether his reason was the truth or a fib he still said NO. Doesn't matter if he hooked up with someone else that's his damn choice. Can't be wearing 2 damn left shoes on this matter.
can't believe Kelly was crying over...not hooking up... Someone not wanting her. That's just weird to have such a strong reaction about a stranger you will never see again.
Oh, trust. She was counting on seeing him again. Sis had a whole relationship planned in her head.
@@LateefahABrown Definitely! Reminds me of those people who stalk someone after one date.
Believe it! Some women have a sense of entitlement that has come down through society about how they should be treated, yet most of them want to be seen as equal (and in some ways, superior) to men, given privileges that men are not given.
@@jacklow9611 men also have entitlement and even the law supported them and in some countries the law still supports. what privileges do men not have and women do?
@@MphoenixE I never said that men didn't have some social expectations of privileges that didn't extend to women, but there has come down the ideas that woman are delicate flowers that "need" protecting at all times, that it is the man's job to give them anything and everything they desire, that they can beat on a man but can't be given retribution because they're a woman, and a hundred other minor, petty things.
While there are, indeed, physical differences between the sexes, most of the other differences are what has come down through social attitudes throughout our history, but men have the same emotions that women do, and the laws that some country has protecting one sex or the other, are nothing but social constructs and are actually moot, and not connected wholly to the human condition, except through those social attitudes and traditions that have come down.
I love how Charlotte says, "We are all adults", as she's waving the baby hands around. haha :)
First story: Hear me out: maybe the husband wanted her to make a scathing speech outing the bride and getting revenge via her, but didn’t get what he wanted and now he’s stuck with the bride.
Interesting point of view.
Nice take.......🎉🎉🎉
Nice take.......🎉🎉🎉
Nah, he could have just told her "So, how do we get back at her?" and plotted together. I wouldn't have had the cool to pretend like it was all fine, I'd have immediately gone fetch the bride and minimum slapped her a couple times, screamed in her face, had a meltdown, and left crying and screaming
Yo good point. If only the friend followed along with his plan. He should have made things clear 🤣🤣.
Here for Charlotte’s mannerisms and expressions 🤣😂🤣 these stories are fantastic but her reactions are just the icing on the cake we all need!
On the last story, it was clear that Kelly wanted a relationship, while Jen just wanted some fun. That's why he rejected Kelly but danced with Jen, because Jen wasn't pressuring him into a relationship
Honestly I think the same. Op certainly didn’t have to hook up with her if he didn’t want to, but something about the way he told the story made me side eye him.
That last story: Male consent is equally important to a woman's.
PREACH!
Fuck yes my brother/ sister
Yes! And people dont have to give you a valid reason why they wont date you. No is no. Do you really want someone to date you just because they feel bad rejecting you and cant come up with a good enough excuse? Come on now.
But it doesn't come with the same ramifications, so not really.
Preach! No means no regardless of gender; Consent is important!
2nd story: I feel like the older sister knows her younger sister and her group well enough to figure out how the night was gonna end for them and so she's right
Yes I was about to type this thank you
Same! While I agree with Charlotte that there's no reason a bunch of adults can't have a party without causing tons of chaos, it would entirely depend on the personality/attitudes of the people involved. And clearly, OP knew the people attending the party were more likely to be unhinged, especially when drunk.
Totally agree
She could of been nicer about it but yeah she was right the whole thing was probably a disaster waiting to happen
Didn’t she say they used “special stuff”? Idk but I think it’s valid. If they are all part taking in substances (liquid or other) why would couples go to a strip club? The jealousy that would bloom in that situation and impaired judgement is crazy.
Why is it when someone does something bad to you and you get pissed, somehow you end up being the bad guy? What kind of bizarre morals are these people living by?
It's the morals of "swallow your feeling and keep a good face, your upper lip stiff and your spine straight, otherwise what will people say ?"
@@ameliecarre4783 They can say whatever they want, it's not like I'm going to be talking to them anymore. I don't talk to people I don't like, and I don't need to talk to people who don't like me. 💪🏽
@@adaliaalvarez7269 I think that's a more honest way to live, yes, and better morals. And you waste less energy maintaining useless relationships.
@@adaliaalvarez7269 It's like shooting the messenger, in a way. Or blaming the whistle blower. Some folks still honestly believe that being brave and strong means taking whatever comes without complaint, and to them someone who denounces an issue is as bad as the one who created the issue, if not worse.
These are the morals of Sodom and Gomorrah. No wonder all these stories ended badly.
The editing in Charlotte's videos is so on point. "Canadian noises" - had me dead.
My daughter hates it when I watch your videos. She said that they're "too loud". But that's exactly why I watch. I don't hear very well and I love how loud you are. It's so nice to be able to hear everything someone is saying. 😂
About the last one: Kelly MADE him lie. That's what happens when you don't take an "I don't want to" for a answer and insist until you're satisfied with what you hear. Same happens with guys aaalll the time.
Exactly! In my experience, guys will NOT listen to "you're not my type/I'm just not into you" and Kelly is the same. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
EXACTLY. Everyone does it to try and politely reject people and Kelly was not taking the damn hint! It goes both ways! If the genders were reversed, no one would bat an eye and would agree with op. But because he’s a man it’s not okay? Nah. Kelly should have taken no for no and it was honestly pretty gross of Liz to put the two black people together and expecting that to be enough.
agreed. Women lie all the time to "let men down easy" especially when they refuse to take no for an answer. It's commonly acceptable behavior and now it's wrong for men to do the same thing? This was all on Kelly for not taking no for an answer and for the bride for foolishly trying to play matchmaker at her wedding without informing all parties(the man)
The last story. The blame lies with Liz and Kelly. Liz should not have got her hopes up. Then Kelly should be concentrating on the wedding and not hooking up. Then to be in floods of tears was tactless. The wedding is not about her. If Liz felt this ruined her wedding then it was all her own fault. She can try and match make but people have to do what they want. She doesn't get to have her own way.
Also why is Liz trying to "have it her way" about someone else's relationship? Like yes you can pair the groomsmen and bridesmaids however you want even if it's like "oh it would look good if the two black people walk together" - all that seems fine to me BUT that doesn't give her the right to dictate that they have to have a relationship outside of that! It's so messed up in every way...
The two of them are very immature. Imagine if a man felt this entitled to a woman! Wow!
1st story: The bride didn "steal" the other womans boyfriend, the boyfriend and the bride DECIDED to cheat. Nobody stole anything from anyone, people actively decided to cheat.
Yeah but Reguardless They suck
@@suzanneporterfield2047right? 😂
The bride is still a crap friend. Let's stop making excuses for women who sleep with taken men, especially their friend's man. Honestly, if I were in that situation I'd drop the dude and never talk to him again and flip out on my friend because how does a woman do this to another woman they claim to care about???
Let’s not forget the sorry sap of a husband who let’s his wife cheat with friends then not only forgives it, but gets upset that the other betrayed party didn’t. Tom is one pathetic loser. I guess when you don’t have a spine you harvest animosity towards ppl who do.
@@dragonmom4663 i didnt make any excuse for anyone. The bride is a horrible friend but if the man would have said "no thanks" instead of deciding to cheat, we wouldnt be here talking about it. I just said nobody STOLE no one, those were 2 adults who decided to cheat
6:46 you can tell someone to apologize, but you can’t make them actually be sorry. That’s beyond your control, sister.
6:00 They had drugs and went to a strip club. I’m 200 per cent with you on this one, OP, that was one hell of a stupid decision, and they should’ve foreseen that.
I think any time someone tries to push you into a relationship like that, your instinct is to say, "no." They literally just met and Kelly starts listing all the reasons they'd be good together. How does she even know? OP was trying to be kind and Kelly wasn't going to accept that. And nothing says "desperation" more than a woman who loses it because you won't date her. Desperation is NOT attractive. Kelly and Liz ruined that relationship before it ever had a chance to start.
Story n°1 : the truth is, bride couldn't handled her guilt for cheating and confessed to the groom; the groom was angry but didn't want to cause a fuss last minute so he unpacked to the other victim of the affair; the moh decided to leave, I assume because she was really upset and didn't trust herself to keep a good face for the entirety of the day, which is TOTALLY normal. Now the groom is angry at the bride for cheating but he said he forgave her, and the bride is angry at the groom for telling the moh and causing the organization of the wedding day to turn into a mess, but she can't show it, since he forgave her for cheating the least she can do is forgive him for this minor and comprehensible wrongdoing. And since they can't be angry at each other without their brand new marriage founded on sand crumbling down, they take out on her because it's EASY. Meanwhile, nobody appologized to the moh. Seems easy to evaluate everyone's level of AHness here.
Why would you choose the woman whose boyfriend you had the affair with as your MOH? Madness.
@@stephenbanks5952 Out of guilt ? Or for cover ?
Or for the simple reason that some friendships are unequal and where one looks on the other as their best friend, the other sees the first as a handyman, available at all hours, always ready and happy to help, that they don't need to respect but can ask anything of and repay in smiles, empty compliments and the honor of being by their side.
13:13 He politely turned her down. He told her no, and she wouldn’t take no for an answer. I thought no was a complete sentence. I hate double standards. Had he done that to her, everyone would be all over him for hounding her. I dealt with this same crap in high school and after. I learned you have to be more forceful with your “No” and even that isn’t a guarantee.
LOL - I loved the "got me riled up" part and how you said it at the beginning. Thank you for posting all these videos.
Let me make this clear, there is ZERO coincidence that they told you the day of the wedding. They did that because she didn't want you to quit her wedding. So after ruining your relationship screwing you over as a friend she still wanted you to be her bitching her wedding you're not the a hole. You're the hero in the story!!!
Some extra info to these stories:
For the combineren bachelor party, a lot of them got REALLY drunk and some of them also illegal substances. Most of them were under 30 and not the most stable people when they party because they can go to far. Which is why the sister said that this result was to be expected because she knew the people involved. Also the groot got shitfaced and shat himself. The sister and her husband took him to their home in the back of their truck, hosed him off and delivered him back to his bride in one of the sister's old night gowns.
For the polyamorous throuple, I believe this whole wedding situation led to the parents breaking up with their much younger third person.
Oh man I needed the extra info on the sister story. I knew there was more to it, but damn that is good. the sister only snorted the bride was the one who asked her why she reacted like that. The bride knew well why that reaction. They just chose to keep it from mum apparently.
I will never understand how you can have an affair with one of your best friends significant other! Honestly, if that happens to you, you’ve dodged a bullet with BOTH of them bc major 🚩🚩🚩
Yeah she'll likely cheat again.
That little bitty hand stole the show......😂😂😂😂❤
The fact that "im not jnto you" needs to come with a reason is crazy. No means no. Leave tge man alone if he says he doesnt want you.
I can see why he told Kelly the lie. She wouldn’t back off after she said no. So he made something up.
Im with the sister here drugs, alcohol and strippers i honestly cant see it ending well. I have never seen a situation where drugs and alcohol are involved end well
same, bacholerett parties are already famous to cause problems, the set up makes it even worse and with that high of an number of break ups it was not a small group either where one could have been that close and sure, that everyone would be chill, more so, with that number of break ups you should have known at least some of them well enough to know what might blow up!!!
I am astonished how charlotte can claim it was to be expected everyone would act like an adult, when her whole channel is build on people proving that no, many many people do in fact not act like adults!!!
OP was doing her best to keep quiet... but her control failed and snorted when her sister whined about "how did this happen"... then, as her parents were there... she was forced to admit she had no sympathy for her younger sister.
How ironic that Stacy didn't even know what was going on after MoH dipped. I'd have to say that was Karma - pretty sure MoH didn't know what was going on either...
Aa far as confessions go - I often wonder if people confess to unburden themselves of guilt and don't care that the confession will probably cause pain to the victim of the confession. Live with your guilt - let it eat you alive - you deserve to be miserable. Don't drop your burden of guilt on the innocent victim.
I also noticed there was a huge confession 😳 and absolutely no apology made to the MOH. That was appalling in my opinion. ✌
You're right about wanting to get rid of the burden of guilt and caring less about the pain a confession causes to other people. We all care naturally more about our own ailments first, and gosh, can we rationalize and find ourselves excuses ! However, ultimately, even if the intention behing telling the truth was not truly good, and it hurts the person who hears it, it's like taking a band-aid off. Moving forward, truth is a better thing to build on than secrets and lies, so it's better when it comes out.
On the second story, I’m gonna say NTA. If they went to an adult club and got tipsy and resulted in divorces, break ups, and arrests, then it sounds like they were already out of control and had problems beforehand
You know what I would say if I was the OP from #1 and people were saying that I can't leave the wedding because I'm the only one who knows what's going on?
"Well ain't that some shit"! 🤣
I've been set up with people who were just "perfect" for me based on race and it's an excellent way to show a friend how you feel about them. In both instances, I realized that I was a token and ended those friendships. People will show you who they really are eventually.
I'm thinking that her friend thought he was hot and got the bride to pair them up. The fact that she cried about it tells me that she was at least in on the set up.
The last one is so true! Putting two people of the same race together doesn’t mean that they are gonna have an instant connection! The only connection to them is that they are the same race
maybe her friend asked her to pair with OP? she seem to be really into him, right?
@@GalinaEvit didnt sound like they'd ever met before though, so it's pretty weird
@TheDolphace maybe bride showed his pics? I mean thats sounds like smth teenage girls will do lol
@@GalinaEv see that’s it, She was in to him, he wasn’t into her.
The whole thing is so weird 😭 brides pls don’t ever have any other intentions when pairing up the wedding party. If they happen to fall in love then let it happen naturally, Love should neva be forced
Polyamorous is the right term for people having multiple partners/relationships, and a polycule is a group of people who (generally) are all in a relationship with each other and/or have a significant level of mutual commitment.
Ahhh makes sense. Thank you!
the difference between poly relationships and cheating is direct communication and agreement from all parties
@@Coliosisqueef cool dolphin pfp
So a polycule is always polyamorous, but polyamory isn't always a polycule
@@katharineeavan9705exactly!
10:30 why is Dave MORE important than their own child?
15:31 hey now. He don’t owe any of them women anything. It always goes over bad no matter how nicely u put it that ur not attracted to them especially when ur attracted to someone else n they can see it. What he said was solid. Lmao.
After a while you learn in life that people are attracted to whom they are attracted. Doesn’t make you any less; you’re just not the one for them.
2 things -
- for the bachelor/ette party, sure a joined party CAN go well, the difference is OP knows those people and we don't. So maybe it was a forgone conclusion that this would happen with that group of people
- For the paired up Groomsman and Bridesmaid, he was straightforward with her at first, he only came up a reason that wasn't fully honest AFTER she kept pushing even after he said he wasn't interested, in order to get her to back off. Which is something women do all the time, and no one has an issue with, because why would they? There's nothing wrong with doing that.
I'm a lesbian and I relate to that last. I can't even count how many times a hetero friend of mine decided me & another lesbian friend of their's would hit it off merely because we were both gay 🙄
As if lesbianism is some kind of shared hobby
maybe because some men really do think that being hetero means every single het women should want them
Same. I remember being pushed to date this guy because “you’re so much alike”. Turns out we were so much alike that when I picked up the phone to break up, he was already on the line. He had called me at the same time to break up with me 😂
@@tdelioncourt1268 Oh yeah, good point!
It's like when your parents tries to get you with someone just because you are friends.
I’m in a throuple. My SO and I decided to bring someone into our relationship a few years ago. It’s not for everyone but it works for us. Of course, our families had reservations.. and concerns 😂 but everyone is use to it now. Never in a million years would I try to bring our girlfriend to an event where people were uncomfortable with our relationship. Hell, that’d make her just as uncomfortable. It’s incredibly disrespectful to push that on someone… much less, your CHILDREN. 😳😳
But I don´t really understand why the guy that is gay expects to be respected, but can not give any respect to the throuple relationship of others, just because it is not the relationship he is used to and "comfortable" with. Super interesting actually.
@@insideAdirtyMind maybe I didn’t hear that part… everything I heard was the parents being the one that pushed the situation. But I agree, they should’ve made more of an effort to introduce and connect before this big day.
@@insideAdirtyMind From what I understand hearing the story, it's not about the throuple or anything queer. It's that he does not know this person, doesn't have a relationship with him, and would be uncomfortable having him at his tiny wedding. If the situation was different and not poly - say, he had a single mother who got a new boyfriend the same age as OP who moved in, and mom never tried to introduce them or facilitate a relationship - I think OP's discomfort would be the same.
Howd you let yourself get conned into letting another woman into your relationship
@@insideAdirtyMindbecause when you plan your wedding, you only invite people that you want there. Why would you pay for someone that you don't want there? He doesn't even know him. His parents are being very selfish! His wedding isn't about them; it's about him and his husband!
I think that the guy at 15:53 said that he did try to let her down easy but figured that his explanation was the only one she would accept or respect. Happens all the time - when women get hit on, sometimes the only way to get a guy to back off is to give him some reason he can't refute - because he'll just keep asking WHY WHY WHY to wear them down. This is the case here, but gender flipped. He did nothing wrong.
@charlote thank you so much for your content. Im new mpm and through the mum responsibilities I can't just go for girls night put and you fill this gap perfectly ...the gossip the laughter . Thank you
After watching every AITA series about weddings here. I can def say that I'm so lucky to have amazing set of friends who took care of almost everything in my wedding even with the preparations before that. There are still toxic family members who attended but at least I get to focus so much on my husband and everything else went smoothly. My wedding happened just 3weeks ago and it was a success💕
Congratulations, happy married life. GOD Bless!
@@amokay746 thank you💕
Congratulations! Sometimes we can't eliminate toxic family from our lives, but we can instead focus on what really matters, and it sounds like you did just that. Wishing you a long and happy marriage!
@@Just1Nora thank you💕 This means a lot to me.
Charlotte being serious with those tiny hands is the comedy I'm here for 💀
I feel like she actually forgot about them ngl
For the final story i do want to point out that just because he hits it off with another brides maid doesnt mean he feels romantically towards her. Hitting it off can mean friends.
Edit: im come back to this comment a month after leaving it and i have 23 comments. Wtf why did i not get notified any of them.
I was thinking the same! I was a bridesmaid for one of my friends and I got on really well with one of the groomsmen - but as friends, nothing more (& we both understood that). In fact, we're still friends now and we're both married to other people. We share a sense of humour, not attraction.
Why do people assume that a man and a woman can't be friends?!
I thought they hooked up that night? Isn't that how he knew she left right after him.....
Even if they hooked up, it was clear Kelly wanted a husband. Jen was likely there for fun since she's still focused on her education and not likely as interested in a long term relationship.
I was about to say the same, he even told Kelly and Liz they were just friends. Hitting it off doesn't mean hooking up. I also don't get why he couldn't dance with somebody else at the reception. How is this "inappropriate" were they grinding against each other, was she twerking against him? He's right, no means no, it's true for men too.
It wasn't specifically stated but I think Jen went up to his room. I feel like they hooked up. If they didn't I think he would have said because this would support his stance even more.
13:15 - This is super uncomfortable. And I don't understand this creepy wedding idea that the Bride & Groom can just start shipping their bridesmaids and groomsmen. Besides, Kelly made everything super uncomfortable by bringing race and her sexual harassment into it. Yuck. Liz sounds so annoying.
"shipping thr bridesmaids and groomsmen"...by color. Or skintone.
Very uncool of the bride. & not very nice OR respectful of her.
First story, I agree having the MoH go through with it and then drop the news during her speech might have been worse for the bride but a legit way to respond.
I’ve heard the joint bachelor/ bachelorette party story before where they read OP replies and from what I recall, that bridal party was a crap show from the start 😂 several had slept/ cheated with or on each other before, including one girl who’s ex was there but she was attending with her current guy (who she cheated on the ex with). I believe the ex started flirting with her aggressively and the new bf jumped in and that was the fight that got started with 1 of them going to jail.
The couple that got divorced I believe was a wife who was caught doing an Eiffel tower move with a sex worker and another member of the groom’s party (Not her husband)
I can’t remember the other stories off the top of my head, but def go check out OP’s comments - it was WILD (and definitely a bad idea to get this specific group together for a night of drinking and drugs no matter the occasion) 😅😂 7:00
The groom also shat himself, had to be hosed off and was dropped off to his bride in one of the brides sister's old night gowns.
On the last story, I believe Kelly, the girl who got turned down, was partially at fault for the bogus excuse. When someone tells you no…no matter their gender it’s a full sentence. No explanation needed. She continued to interrogate him which wasn’t fair. I’m allowed to say no to hooking up or touching someone without explaining why. So was he.
Speaking to the last story about putting 2 Black people together because they are Black, yes, please stop that! My brother moved into town and not all of my friends and acquaintances met him at the same time. I was later told the following story about my own brother. Someone's husband saw my bro 1st and recommended him for me romantically, as if I was even looking 🙄🙄🙄, and was told by his wife that he's my brother. Glad he was embarrassed. Not all Black people are looking to be set up with other Black people. So unnecessary
This is literally only a problem with black people other races actually get along
This sort of thing can also happen when you are gay and you meet someone who has one gay friend and they decide that you would be perfect for each other. It never works out. We can choose for ourselves.
Always let people choose for themselves, and if they ask you specifically show them all the single friends still letting them choose and more importantly approach the person themselves not setting up stupid blind dates and such.
Yikes. Had to report a racist in your replies.
@@sambee8815 It's about choosing for ourselves and not having someone match make for us based solely on our race. As I stated, someone wanted to set me up with my own brother until he was set straight. Also, I love other Black people but I am cautious with everyone. And interracial dating and interracial marriage are one of the most beautiful things
OMG you are hilarious! I just found you on UA-cam. The parents in the ‘thriple’ relationship who wanted to bring him to the wedding was too funny.... and the little hand makes everything that much more hilarious 🥰
As someone who has been in several polycules, some involving pre-existing children and large age gaps, if the child and I had no relationship (or even if we did) and was getting married and asked their bio parents to attend without me I'd be more than fine with that. And if they pulled what OP's parents did I'd go off on them. That's entirely inappropriate. Fucking respect your child's wishes on their big day. It's their wedding to invite who they want
My husband and I had a joint stag's do and hen's do at my sister's house (we called it a hag do), it was just a bbq with our family and some wedding guests, as we chose not to have a big wedding party. No drama, no "last night of freedom" antics, good food, good laughs, good times. And cheap. 😂
1:23 This😂😂! Charlotte saying I'm right with those little hands, cracked me up for some great reason 😂😂😂
Oh no no no no no....The fact that they finally came clean and told the bridesmaid about the affair was COMPLETELY for themselves. That bride had zero concern for the bridesmaid who should NOT have been asked to be her bridesmaid in the first place because she was actively lying to her by not telling her what had happened. The bride was 100% using her then to go on social media and put HER on blast ?! Just NO.
I absolutely LOVE the juxtaposition of your serious talking and that tiny hand coming into frame every few seconds. Wonderful!😂
15:22 I mean that was the best option. Because this is the “truth” from that man’s perspective. “I’m sorry Kelly you are objectively a pretty woman but I have zero physical or emotional attraction to you.” Like yeah it’s “truthful” but is it….better? I don’t think so it’s an unfortunate fact regardless of gender some people don’t understand the phrase “no means no” so short of being completely callous no “sparing of her feelings” whatsoever. There’s no way to get that message across. He’s gonna be the villain no matter what in that groups eyes.
This is my bi-annual statement that Charlotte and her editor are a match made in heaven!
Also, I just wish some people could understand that when a guy/girl expresses they aren't attracted to you, it's not necessarily them saying you're unattractive!
Tom knew she would likely not take the news well.
He for sure told her because he wanted a reaction. Or more likely to justify the hurt he was still feeling even though he claims to have forgiven.
She is not the AH for walking out on the wedding. She’s a saint for ONLY walking out on the wedding
Good take! Tom and Liz were both wanting everyone else to do the dirty work. Liz wanted to avoid telling her and Tom wanted her to cause a scene so he didn’t have to.
Ope! Charlotte called it. Sounds like Stacy wrecked her own day and Tom has to double down rather than admit he's not as "over it" as he claims.
Yeah, I kinda felt that he wanted OP to forgive his bride because he wanted to validate his own forgiveness in an effort to convince himself he's not making a huge mistake.
The bride accusing him of ruining her day because her friend is throwing a fit because didn’t get a boyfriend is wild. She’s mad at the wrong person
What a level headed direct woman you are! Very refreshing outlook on life, thank you!
Can you imagine asking other people to replace your former wedding party - them knowing that they weren't good enough for her to ask the first time around??
Why did that girl ruin her friends wedding crying and complaining and make it all about her because some random Stanger didn't want to hook up and date her? SHE should've left if she couldn't control herself enough to let the bride enjoy her WEDDING. 🤦♀️
The 2 black pple story. He told her no. She got belligerent. He tried to calm down the situation. She accused him of having a fetish. He said whatever he needed to to get her off him. She refused to accept No he owed her nothing
Black men do not date black women and I'm not surprised I wish he would just say he's into white girls
This
100%!
Love Your videos... The editing adds so many layers of hilarity...
i appreciate Your sense of humor so much🤣🤣🤣
So, I was raised by a polyamorous triad so I feel I have some relatively unique insight into the "polycule" story. All three of them (my bio mom and dad and my non-bio mom) raised me and all three are equally my parents to me. They are "out" with all of their family and have experienced everything from full acceptance, being disowned, and everything in between. Here's how they handle weddings with the family that falls into the "in between" category: the people who are invited are the ones that attend (unless nobody wants to go, obviously). People can invite who they want to their wedding and if someone doesn't want your partner there, why would that partner want to go? That's just uncomfortable for everyone.
A wedding is a private party. Nobody is entitled to be there. If you don't want to attend the wedding of someone who doesn't fully support your relationship, you don't go. You can't control who accepts your situation, you can only control your own choices. Demanding an invite for your partner is such an immature and ineffective way to deal with it.
The first story perfectly reflects how I would hope to respond to that kind of devastating news. In the past, I would've been a door mat and numbed my way through to "be polite and save face and do the right thing, take the high ground." And I probably would never have forgiven myself. Walking out is the correct response. She did not deserve to be stepped on, humiliated and belittled. And anyone on Stacy/Tom's side is someone who cannot be trusted and does not deserve to be in her life.