Very interesting talk, Saifedean. Good to hear you want to educate yourself on agriculture. There are too many people without a farming background or knowledge, but with an opinion. But they forget they have to eat 3 times a day, for many years to come. And don't forget to invest in agriculture. It's not about getting rich but preserving wealth.
Allan Savory is such an inspiration. I think it is quite the endorsement that he has such interest in your books, Saif. This was a great conversation, although, I do wish you had asked him if he is a Bitcoiner and what are his views on it.
Great talk! Whole my life, I've witnessed how my grandparents have been able to work the land in a very tradicional and sustainable way. But were only able to do it because they were always very conscient of the enviroment and absolute respect for it and how everything is interconected. And that became an inspiration to me. In the end, what I'll take from this talk is how problematic tinstitutions and centralization have become. Thank you, both!
At 27:22. People often say "well we had similar problems during gold standard" without realizing there was massive fraud within banking as well; fractional reserve. There were bank runs because people finally realized the bs from a particular bank. This helped keep things in check relative to now but there was plenty of leverage available for those that wanted short term extra money to buy favors
Often critical thinkers are shunned. Humans social needs, such as fitting in, may be a primary reason.....as well as the people running institutions dont want to give up power
At min 43....hes got a point but institutions are made of people and the individuals must be held accountable. Not sure where hes going yet, but it sounds like he is advocating for an institution to manage people. This is very dangerous. Creating an institution, which he says is generally bad, to manage all people. Not sure if there is a utopian solution, but decentralzed looks like the best way until we have a permanent way to balance the power between people and varioys institutions. Initially gov was subject to the peoples will but as people gain trust in institution and less involved, the institution morphs into an oppressive organization.
Allan is not advocating for creating an institution to manage people. He advocating for everyone, individuals, families, societies, institutions, governments to use the principles of Holistic Management. Using Holistic Management to make decisions is what he is advocating for. Please read Allan's textbook "HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT: A COMMONSENSE REVOLUTION TO RESTORE OUR ENVIRONMENT". I've read it and it is fantastic. I've also read "The Bitcoin Standard", which is also fantastic. Holistic Management principles apply equally to individuals and families as it does to large land owners and farmers. It applies to economics, societies and ecosystems. I wish more bitcoiners read Allan's textbook Holistic Management. Bitcoin (Holistic money) and Holistic Management go together like hand and glove. It takes time and effort to understand what Holistic Management is. But less time and effort than it takes to understand bitcoin. I think this quote applies equally to Holistic Management and bitcoin "When you don't see it, it seems absurd. When you do see it, it seems obvious".
Holistic Management applies equally to how individuals manage their lives. It's not just about institutions or collectivist powers that make policy. Please read Allan's textbook "HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT: A COMMONSENSE REVOLUTION TO RESTORE OUR ENVIRONMENT" It takes time and effort to understand what Holistic Management is, but less effort than it takes to understand bitcoin. Bitcoin and Holistic Management go together like hand and glove. I wish more bitcoiners read Allan's textbook. I think this quote applies equally to both Bitcoin and Holistic Management : "When you don't see it, it seems absurd. When you do see it, it seems obvious".
I don't understand why at the same time he points out there are no one-size-fits-all solutions he also promotes his one management recipe across no less than an entire small nation? Is he saying there is a minimum viable scale below which there isn't enough diversity or resting time available? He seemed to avoid the question of the coercive nature of state policy, as well as the inherent inefficiencies of central planning due to the calculation problem. I would love to see a large land owner implement his management method voluntarily. But a collective entity can neither legitimately own land nor manage it according to sound incentives.
"I don't understand why at the same time he points out there are no one-size-fits-all solutions he also promotes his one management recipe across no less than an entire small nation?" His "one management recipe" says to do different things in different places depending on what the context is. It is a strategy to make the best plan based off of the unique conditions in what you are managing. The reason he wants it across a small nation is to have a large demonstration. It is successful everywhere it is tried, but we need a big trial with everyone watching so everyone can see that it works. Because nobody has been paying attention for the last 3 decades. Getting a small country to try it would be easier than getting a large country to try it. "He seemed to avoid the question of the coercive nature of state policy, as well as the inherent inefficiencies of central planning due to the calculation problem." The state is an institution. He spent a whole lot of time explaining why institutions (and states) make policies that are destructive and counter productive. It's because the way we manage complex systems is inherently flawed, we manage them as if they were complicated and not complex. (complex means self organizing and the system will continue without intervention, while complicated means something we make rather than manage. This is comes from Systems Theory). "I would love to see a large land owner implement his management method voluntarily." Many many have. There are millions of acres owned that are managed Holistically. Look into the Savory Institute for examples. "But a collective entity can neither legitimately own land nor manage it according to sound incentives." This isn't about ownership of land, it's about institutions that make policy that affect land (and thus affect ecosystems). Actually its bigger than that. Its about anybody or any institution that makes decisions that affect ecosystems, the economy, or society. "But a collective entity can neither legitimately own land nor manage it according to sound incentives." Putting aside the legitimacy of ownership question, collectives can make better management decisions by using the principles of Holistic Management. Please read his textbook " HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT: A COMMONSENSE REVOLUTION TO RESTORE OUR ENVIRONMENT". It isn't very expensive and it applies to you managing your life, just as much as it applies to large land owners or governments. I've read it and it is fantastic. I've also read "The Bitcoin Standard", which is also fantastic. Bitcoin and Holistic Management go together like hand and glove. I wish more bitcoiners read Alan Savory's textbook. It requires effort to understand, but less time and effort than it takes to understand bitcoin.
He conflates an increase in the supply of gold with the increase of supply of gold notes. Then he infers that inflation of money is not a large or primary cause of most economic problems. Bad reasoning.
lol - with desertification what will you do with gold and "economy". People will simply run over your property in the search of food and water, not your btc wallet.
Very interesting talk, Saifedean. Good to hear you want to educate yourself on agriculture. There are too many people without a farming background or knowledge, but with an opinion. But they forget they have to eat 3 times a day, for many years to come. And don't forget to invest in agriculture. It's not about getting rich but preserving wealth.
Allan Savory is such an inspiration. I think it is quite the endorsement that he has such interest in your books, Saif. This was a great conversation, although, I do wish you had asked him if he is a Bitcoiner and what are his views on it.
Great talk! Whole my life, I've witnessed how my grandparents have been able to work the land in a very tradicional and sustainable way. But were only able to do it because they were always very conscient of the enviroment and absolute respect for it and how everything is interconected. And that became an inspiration to me.
In the end, what I'll take from this talk is how problematic tinstitutions and centralization have become. Thank you, both!
Thank you very much! Very interesting, regeneration is the future
GREG JUDY is another Regenerative Ag. GURU....he's so awesome
btw Greg Judy turned into what he is (from his failing life/business) after attending a Holistic management course.
At 27:22. People often say "well we had similar problems during gold standard" without realizing there was massive fraud within banking as well; fractional reserve. There were bank runs because people finally realized the bs from a particular bank. This helped keep things in check relative to now but there was plenty of leverage available for those that wanted short term extra money to buy favors
Please add timestamps Seif
Mic upgrade really helpful! thank you
YES SAIF!! Holistic money (Bitcoin) meets Holistic Management 🧡🍖
I hope The Beef Initiative is listening.
Music at end?
Thank you.
this is genius!
Thank you, thank you both so much!
Often critical thinkers are shunned. Humans social needs, such as fitting in, may be a primary reason.....as well as the people running institutions dont want to give up power
At min 43....hes got a point but institutions are made of people and the individuals must be held accountable.
Not sure where hes going yet, but it sounds like he is advocating for an institution to manage people. This is very dangerous. Creating an institution, which he says is generally bad, to manage all people. Not sure if there is a utopian solution, but decentralzed looks like the best way until we have a permanent way to balance the power between people and varioys institutions. Initially gov was subject to the peoples will but as people gain trust in institution and less involved, the institution morphs into an oppressive organization.
Allan is not advocating for creating an institution to manage people. He advocating for everyone, individuals, families, societies, institutions, governments to use the principles of Holistic Management. Using Holistic Management to make decisions is what he is advocating for. Please read Allan's textbook "HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT: A COMMONSENSE REVOLUTION TO RESTORE OUR ENVIRONMENT". I've read it and it is fantastic. I've also read "The Bitcoin Standard", which is also fantastic.
Holistic Management principles apply equally to individuals and families as it does to large land owners and farmers. It applies to economics, societies and ecosystems.
I wish more bitcoiners read Allan's textbook Holistic Management. Bitcoin (Holistic money) and Holistic Management go together like hand and glove. It takes time and effort to understand what Holistic Management is. But less time and effort than it takes to understand bitcoin. I think this quote applies equally to Holistic Management and bitcoin "When you don't see it, it seems absurd. When you do see it, it seems obvious".
#SaveSoil 🥰😊
So he is saying something like rules without rulers
Is it me, or this guy needs collectivist powers to do his speculations?
Shhhhhhh
Holistic Management applies equally to how individuals manage their lives. It's not just about institutions or collectivist powers that make policy. Please read Allan's textbook "HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT: A COMMONSENSE REVOLUTION TO RESTORE OUR ENVIRONMENT" It takes time and effort to understand what Holistic Management is, but less effort than it takes to understand bitcoin. Bitcoin and Holistic Management go together like hand and glove. I wish more bitcoiners read Allan's textbook. I think this quote applies equally to both Bitcoin and Holistic Management : "When you don't see it, it seems absurd. When you do see it, it seems obvious".
I don't understand why at the same time he points out there are no one-size-fits-all solutions he also promotes his one management recipe across no less than an entire small nation? Is he saying there is a minimum viable scale below which there isn't enough diversity or resting time available?
He seemed to avoid the question of the coercive nature of state policy, as well as the inherent inefficiencies of central planning due to the calculation problem.
I would love to see a large land owner implement his management method voluntarily. But a collective entity can neither legitimately own land nor manage it according to sound incentives.
"I don't understand why at the same time he points out there are no one-size-fits-all solutions he also promotes his one management recipe across no less than an entire small nation?"
His "one management recipe" says to do different things in different places depending on what the context is. It is a strategy to make the best plan based off of the unique conditions in what you are managing. The reason he wants it across a small nation is to have a large demonstration. It is successful everywhere it is tried, but we need a big trial with everyone watching so everyone can see that it works. Because nobody has been paying attention for the last 3 decades. Getting a small country to try it would be easier than getting a large country to try it.
"He seemed to avoid the question of the coercive nature of state policy, as well as the inherent inefficiencies of central planning due to the calculation problem." The state is an institution. He spent a whole lot of time explaining why institutions (and states) make policies that are destructive and counter productive. It's because the way we manage complex systems is inherently flawed, we manage them as if they were complicated and not complex. (complex means self organizing and the system will continue without intervention, while complicated means something we make rather than manage. This is comes from Systems Theory).
"I would love to see a large land owner implement his management method voluntarily." Many many have. There are millions of acres owned that are managed Holistically. Look into the Savory Institute for examples.
"But a collective entity can neither legitimately own land nor manage it according to sound incentives." This isn't about ownership of land, it's about institutions that make policy that affect land (and thus affect ecosystems). Actually its bigger than that. Its about anybody or any institution that makes decisions that affect ecosystems, the economy, or society.
"But a collective entity can neither legitimately own land nor manage it according to sound incentives." Putting aside the legitimacy of ownership question, collectives can make better management decisions by using the principles of Holistic Management.
Please read his textbook " HOLISTIC MANAGEMENT: A COMMONSENSE REVOLUTION TO RESTORE OUR ENVIRONMENT". It isn't very expensive and it applies to you managing your life, just as much as it applies to large land owners or governments. I've read it and it is fantastic. I've also read "The Bitcoin Standard", which is also fantastic. Bitcoin and Holistic Management go together like hand and glove. I wish more bitcoiners read Alan Savory's textbook. It requires effort to understand, but less time and effort than it takes to understand bitcoin.
@@frankmarshall-davis8400 Thanks for talking sense.
He conflates an increase in the supply of gold with the increase of supply of gold notes. Then he infers that inflation of money is not a large or primary cause of most economic problems. Bad reasoning.
lol - with desertification what will you do with gold and "economy". People will simply run over your property in the search of food and water, not your btc wallet.