I used to work in a warehouse and was climbing up the racks trying to reach some high boxes. I fell backwards from about 4 feet in the air safely into a backwards roll due to my Aikido training.
I started with Aikido and Judo about 35 years ago, but there were a couple of really long breaks in which I didn't train at all. What I was looking for in the late 80s as a teenager was a way to defend myself against the most common attacks. I was never motivated enough to reach the next belt every few years; instead I tried to simplify certain movements or mingle them with other self defense techniques, like Judo or Wing Chun. Long story short: I had to defend myself twice during these three and a half decades. Both guys were about my size, aggressive, but untrained. I was able to throw them to the ground within a second. Both were befuddled, didn't even realize what happened, and the confrontation was over. They didn't even get hurt - so Aikido worked for me when I needed it. All in all Aikido helped me to be more confident, more relaxed, and also more attentive in evaluating critical situations. I never wanted to be a Martial Arts guy (and I'm really bad at jumping and kicking anyways 😁). Really enjoy your videos - keep it up.
Good story! We have the same martial arts and I started judo about the same time you did. Fortunately I never had to use it after I started learning and intend to keep that way. Specially in Japan I might be in trouble if I use martial arts on someone,which won't happen because they won´t attack a big Brazilian dude!! LOL
@@magellan8449 physical & mental conditioning & enjoying what ever martial arts you may have learned. There’s one Ukrainian judo practitioner who has exercises & drills that enhances his Judo skills & he’s only 5’6” & 3/4”. It all depends upon your diligence, motivation, skills, etc to try to be the best. I’ve been into martial arts for over 50 years having studied various styles of Chinese Kung Fu, Indonesian Petite Salet, Filipino l: Escrima & at an earlier age judo, Karate & Briztllian Jiu Jitsu. Now Wu Tai chi which is totally different from external.
I used to think Aikido was BS until I met a guy who was a bit of a Hippie, Surfer sort who was very into eastern philosophy. a black belt in Aikido and a Purple Belt in BJJ, if he wanted to compete in BJJ he would be a serious problem, but he just didn't give a toss. Thing is there are a lot of Brazilians who train Capoeira alongside BJJ however, I think Aikido could actually give you a better background for training judo or bjj because in Aikido training you are learning how to take breakfalls etc. I like all three martial arts because they are all based on resolving conflict with the least amount of violence possible. He even said to me the Aikido stuff he would use if he was having to talk to a drunk person or someone who's just mouthing off and he just want to give them a "back off" message. He's said he'd use his BJJ training if the person doesn't take the hint and goes in full bore. he said it was all about giving people chances before you take it that far though ie having to choke them out etc like he said "you don't go nuclear straight away".
Thanks for the video. Aikido isn´t rubbish and I´m proudly practicing aikikai(black belt) and tomiki aikido (blue belt) in addition to judo (black belt) and gojuryu karate (green belt). Interestingly, I never had to use any martial art I have ever practiced, which was when I was 12 years old and started judo because I used to fight a lot to stop bullies. I started aikido at age 21 and stopped for 26 years until I got my black belt last years along with judo. Fighting someone shows the lack of negotiation skills and the ability to deescalate a situation. Only weak people have to fight.
Watching Osensei gives a direction in which to go. He.moved quickly between adversaries as they attempted to attack or control him. I was taught that the first part of any encounter is the "entry" and distance, balance and position were always key, moving into an advantageous opening.
I'm beginning to wonder, given the evolution of Aikido through, e.g. Tenshin Aikido (Steven Seagal's style), Aikidoflow itself and other "street fighting" versions of the art, if it is time to give that new style a brand new, fresh name so that it is not confused with traditional Aikido. I like to refer to it as "neo-Aikijujutsu", for want of a better term as of now. Hopefully someone can come up with a good name for this emerging style. KEEP GROWING, AIKIDOFLOWERS!
Aikido is a Martial Art that is always evolving. The problem is some Sensei stand still and do not help Aikido to evolve. I have studied two other martial arts but Aikido gives me something different a different option and I have used it once in self defence in a street situation where another man came at me with a wheel brace from a car and guess what it worked . Some techniques in Karate Katas don’t work also because the application is different in a real situation so you have to adapt your technique to the situation. PS Evolve.
I completely agree with what you both said. I used to do TKD and Aikido. I"m a bloater but I know my arm techniques. I've caught the legs of many black belts and made them dance. It must be from my ice hockey goalie experience. In a fight scenario, someone is going to throw a punch at you. TKD can deal with that. It's when they throw a wild one where you can use Aikido to take them to the floor. I have a long reach so I can generally stitch somebody first. At the end of the day though, I'd rather look like a coward and walk away. Here in the US, you have no idea what someone is carrying. I'm 58 now and not in the greatest of health. I don't go out to pubs, bars etc. It's too costly and I don't need the aggro. Peace and good vibes to the both of you,
Well, Aikido has never been a "fighting" martial art or meant to be used to go on the offensive to attack and defeat someone. On the contrary it is designed to be defensive in nature only -- to defeat and restrain an attacker. People who don't understand that purpose seem often be the ones critical of Aikido.
Thanks for the video. Legit question though: If someone is specifically looking for self-defense, why not choose a martial art where you don't have to adapt it so much to the street? A Judo throw for instance might require a non-gi adaptation but it is pretty much the same, and striking arts require from little to no modification.
I think that for someone to think of any martial art as the one-and-only or superior is foulish. If that was the case, at this point, there would only be ONE martial art; the others would've withered away long before now. There is something in every one of them that can be beneficial for some and not others. And that benefit for one may not be what another is looking for. A person can be in a dojo with 9 other students, and each of them could gravitate to different aspects of the same martial art. Just learn, practice, train, and better yourself. Then, learn some more.
I think it's how you look at it. I don't practice aikido per se, but a self-defence art that has aikido muay thay and jui-jitsu. And I've seen and done these locks in sparring. But the thing is, they don't happen defensively. You put pressure on with punches and people make all sort of mistakes. They post on your chest, on your hands, they leave hands out undefended. And then you do the locks.
Hey guys keep up the great video's. Ive used my little aikido practice and knowledge in my karate and jkd concepts. It all depends how open your mind is. Keep what is useful, discard what is useless.
What I think people generally mean when they ask: "Is Aikido rubbish?" is actually: "Is Aikido useless in a real fight?" I would argue any martial art which is trained without resistance is going to be nearly useless in a real fight and that is how most Aikido dojos have people train. I would also argue many of the techniques of Aikido are impossible to make useful and would all but disappear if trained with resistance (almost never be pulled off). I would argue the most value you could get out of Aikido in real life fights, including self defense, would be achieved by training it with resistance. I wold also argue you can already get more out of training BJJ, Judo, Sambo and wrestling than doing that. When people tell skeptics to spar with these two gentlemen, I think many of us, including myself, would be happy to do that. Sparring is not fighting to try to injure someone, there is nothing wrong with respectful sparring to test you skills and these two seem like respectful gentlemen you could have a friendly sparring session or roll with. Which makes me wonder whether these two ever tried any of the more competitive grappling styles, tried wrestling with some people from Judo, BJJ etc to see how that works and how it relates and compares to what they do themselves and whether they think they should incorporate any of that into their own skill sets.
The only major issue I see with Aikido training is that the Uke is often trained to respond a specific way to the techniques. The result being that even if a technique would not work against resistance, the Uke moves as if it would work. If the Uke gave realistc attacks and received the technique realistically, then the Nage would be able to refine their technique.
I agree with you. That’s what ‘martial arts’ is defined. If you love any martial arts it’s an enjoyable experience to maintain physically & mentally fit while contributing to longevity. Don’t listen to the neysayers!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
The dojo really does make a difference. I was practicing at this one Aikikai who follow Akira Tohei, after having practiced at a dojo under Yoshimitsu Yamada. I don't know if it was the lineage or my particular sensei, but the approach to many techniques was very different. For instance, kote gaeshi against a tsuki. At one dojo I was taught that you had to use your hip as a focal point to apply leverage against the uke's arm, in order to lead them around in a circle, setting up the throw. At the other dojo uke was expected to turn themselves, in order to continue their attack. You only needed to execute a simple irimi and then take the diagonal step back to throw them. I hope I'm describing that clearly, but the second was simpler and seemed much more realistic.
Uke does not have to do anything, never. The problem is, if you train like this, it does not work, if uke is not doing anything. There is a simple trick. If uke does not what they have to do, you hit them. That is why Aikido does not work without Atemi. Uke is not complying with your technique out of agreement, but as the lesser evil.
@@BillDores You matched the methods to the correct schools, but I was not so fortunate as to have learned directly from them. But I was fortunate to learn from a student of Yamada, Shihan Harvey Konigsberg, at his dojo in Woodstock NY. This was over thirty years ago. Unfortunately I was only there a short time, but the experience made an impression that still remains
I hold belts in two arts niether is Aikido. I have faught bolth on the mat and in the world Aikido practitioners. A man much wiser than i said never box a boxer never wrestle a wrestler. No art is the be all end all art. Anyone that trains in any art is going to have an advantage over someone that doesn't train. The best skill i bring to a fight wasnt learned in a dojo. I learned this skill in the army. Its called attention to detail, and ive used it to win more fights than i can imagine. Quite simply when i notice things getting ready to go sideways i leave. Now its not 100%, but i can count the number of times ive ended up in a fight (outside of combat) on one hand. Is aikido garbage? These two gentlemen did a great job of explaining the good and wanting parts of their art. Gentlemen its refreshing to hear a fellow artest be honest and truthful about their arts limitations. Respect 👊
Thanks guys. I appreciate all your videos. My experience of the effectiveness of any martial art is how the syllabus is designed and how realistically it is taught. My own Aikido journey started as a 2nd dan black belt in Trad Japanese Jiu Jitsu trying out a new approach. The syllabus i learned was, in my opinion, too soft to be effective if this was one's only martial art. Hardly any throws and no resistance.
I think many dojos water Aikido down much. While I do not want to question their motives - reasons for training in Aikido can be very different - different kinds of training are differently suited for self-defense. If you really want to use Aikido for self-defense, you also need to train striking. The majority of Aikido depends actually on it. According to O-sensei it is 70%.
As a retired police officer it has been taught to us. We did concentrate much in the arm and wrist locks after we have control of the subject. If used properly they have worked for me after I got the subject under control. You are correct that in taking control of a violent subject other techniques other than Aikido in many cases become necessary whether it’s judo or grappling But Aikido is NOT RUBBISH.
@@aaronkamaunu692 you should take note of Judo being employed by Japanese law enforcement. In China it’s ‘san-da.’ Fortunately, I had employed an Aikido technique that was just spontaneous with a judo hip thrust that caused me attacker to fall & I landing on top of him with a choke hold submission. No one despite what one may think is going to leave his hand or palm compliantly for you to control or manipulate. This is what’s being employed in the dojo to prevent unnecessary injuries.
I took it years ago even before people heard of steven Seagal. I did it for a few weeks and my thoughts were like the criticism these guys mentioned. I switched to a harder style that I thought was more practical, simpler, and easier to learn for self defense. Now it sounds like to me aikido can be very useful as a complimentary art to another style. Something to use in conjunction with a harder striking style. There it would be very useful because it gives you some more options to use in different situations.
Aikido was developed as a defense against a samurai with a sword. It's not rubbish, it just doesn't have any modern day, real life application because you'll more than likely not be attacked by a samurai
Hello, It has been my experience in this life that any tool (yes Aikido is a tool in my opinion) will be more useful to the one who has become more familiar with it. If you hand me a wrench I might be able to use it to some degree but in the hands of a life long mechanic it will do way more. Any "style" can be effective if the user is comfortable with it. I have found many things in Aikido that are useful but not everything. The same is true for many other disciplines. The take away here is learn to use what tools you have and apply it as needed. Thank you for the great content and God Bless
Aikido isn't rubbish, its actually very useful, if you work in security, or in the prison or police service, then knowing effective aikido techniques that you can apply safely and properly depending on what volitile or dangerous situation you and your fellow colleagues find yourself in, its certainly better to have it, as an additional tool you can use, if you feel the need to.
You can't compare Aikido techniques (which come from sword techniques) with techniques that come from hand-to-hand self-defense. If you're using a sword, nobody wants to touch you. So, the misunderstanding about Aikido is failing to realize that the attacker must see your hand as a sword.
Any martial arts if it helps you defend yourself is a good martial art, they are mostly designed as a self defence, Here in 2024 it's very useful to know how to defend one's self,
Aikido Boxer Fitness I can challenge against any man in world, the point is to get opponent on ground in boxer ring competition, is that not goal point also in Aikido practice routine?
Its not rubbish, it was meant for law enforcement, not self defence, daito ryu's takeda taught to police officers and navy guards, even samurai era, it was used by top samurai guarding the lord, the idea being to restrain them, so they can be questioned as to who sent them. I was a police officer, aikido worked fine, but its not really a self defence, but with slight changes canbe changed, but that is not easy.
@@f.dmcintyre4666I was an officer in the UK, i did aikido for 8 years, before i spent a couple daito ryu, but my main art has been wado and iaido since 1995. The techniques i used were sankyo, and nikyo used the most. In the UK there is a restriction on what you can use, talking first, then spray, then armlocks before batten
@@wadoryujujutsukempo6289 okay I was brought up in Hendon...yes UK cops deffo need to be able to fight. How long to master some basics? I have done some WC, lots of tricks but lacks reality... I would love to do judo but ouch! Too much reality!!! Respect
Aikido and Hapikido are a great tool. TOOL. Practitioner is the key. In law enforcement it is amazing. In MMA it is impractical. Bring a knife into the MMA ring and see a gaping hole in the style. All "styles" are tools. Use the appropriate tool for the problem.
He makes the point most contrarians do - as a stand alone practice in combat, it doesn't work. And the principles that do work (balance/movement) are taught in all martial arts. The term 'martial arts' is derived from the Latin word 'Mars' in reference to the god of war, hence meaning 'the art of war'. So sure, aikido has some utility. And anyone who trains, studies, and commits to anything (not just a martial art) is going to just be a better more effective person in life than someone who does not by virtue of discipline. But the argument against aikido isn't 'aikido vs no training', it's aikido vs any other martial art, and that's where aikido comes up short. In a hierarchy of martial arts as a combat (war) system, it is nearer the bottom than the top. That being said, we need another original UFC style tournament that pits top practitioners of each specific art against each other. One where the fighter is only allowed to use the techniques of their specific art in combat. I would rather see that than celebrity pseudo-boxing fights.
In my opinion, without learning any specific martial arts at all; an individual with the opportunity to access well-informed and experienced persons anyone can learn and develop a decent level of self protection/defence abilities (not exactly fighting skills per say) that don't involve 'delusion', basically overconfidence in one's ability to protect oneself according their individual circumstances, things like body size included. But in regards to martial arts, what systems/styles or sports do you consider of value in this regard, assuming decent teachers are available? I'm just curious what your thoughts are.
@canispugnax4684 That's a nice answer/mix that I can't argue against; I'd say I don't 'literally' believe that those things are the 'only' things someone could learn, though. In regards to boxing usefulness, though, a few important things have to be kept in mind. Boxing in the way most people learn it assumes the person is fighting with hand/knuckle protection (gloves). When fist fighting without gloves, one's approach has to change slightly; additionally, dirty boxing techniques can/should be a consideration. Another issue is that not all styles of boxing are made equal in regards to self-protection/defence; a person can not/should not box in which way they want (how they would for sport). To give a picture of what I'm trying to say, a Mexican style in which you fight in a more squared stance, being aggressive is significantly better than being an overly defensive shoulder roll stylist in a more bladed stance. In my example, the Mexican style basically helps with getting the job down quicker, it's significantly better for defending against take downs/grappling because the hands and arms are much closer together in fronts of the opponent. Also the shoulder roll style is significantly weaker at defending potentially against more than one person and is worse for arm control if one can forsee a blade attack before the point of no return/being unable to protect oneself from serious injury/death.
Problem is, most of that people just follows the trend of talking shit about Aikido without putting the work, basically keyboard warriors, delusional aikido students or as*oles seeking for validation.
Hard style with some other stuff added .. useful .. especially when opposition doesn't know what is actually happening ... Got to be fast ... Start slow get faster
I used to work in a warehouse and was climbing up the racks trying to reach some high boxes. I fell backwards from about 4 feet in the air safely into a backwards roll due to my Aikido training.
I started with Aikido and Judo about 35 years ago, but there were a couple of really long breaks in which I didn't train at all. What I was looking for in the late 80s as a teenager was a way to defend myself against the most common attacks. I was never motivated enough to reach the next belt every few years; instead I tried to simplify certain movements or mingle them with other self defense techniques, like Judo or Wing Chun.
Long story short: I had to defend myself twice during these three and a half decades. Both guys were about my size, aggressive, but untrained. I was able to throw them to the ground within a second. Both were befuddled, didn't even realize what happened, and the confrontation was over. They didn't even get hurt - so Aikido worked for me when I needed it. All in all Aikido helped me to be more confident, more relaxed, and also more attentive in evaluating critical situations. I never wanted to be a Martial Arts guy (and I'm really bad at jumping and kicking anyways 😁). Really enjoy your videos - keep it up.
Sounds familiar.. It is like riding a bike.. however, quick, surprise responses need to be practiced.. it creeps up on ya
Good story! We have the same martial arts and I started judo about the same time you did. Fortunately I never had to use it after I started learning and intend to keep that way. Specially in Japan I might be in trouble if I use martial arts on someone,which won't happen because they won´t attack a big Brazilian dude!! LOL
Great testimonial ❤❤❤
@@magellan8449 physical & mental conditioning & enjoying what ever martial arts you may have learned. There’s one Ukrainian judo practitioner who has exercises & drills that enhances his Judo skills & he’s only 5’6” & 3/4”. It all depends upon your diligence, motivation, skills, etc to try to be the best. I’ve been into martial arts for over 50 years having studied various styles of Chinese Kung Fu, Indonesian Petite Salet, Filipino l: Escrima & at an earlier age judo, Karate & Briztllian Jiu Jitsu. Now Wu Tai chi which is totally different from external.
No Martial Arts discipline is rubbish...it is how it is applied in situations.... anything can work. It is about adapting and using multiple options.
Exactly ❤
Absolutely!!! 👊👊✊✊👏👏👌👌
I used to think Aikido was BS until I met a guy who was a bit of a Hippie, Surfer sort who was very into eastern philosophy. a black belt in Aikido and a Purple Belt in BJJ, if he wanted to compete in BJJ he would be a serious problem, but he just didn't give a toss. Thing is there are a lot of Brazilians who train Capoeira alongside BJJ however, I think Aikido could actually give you a better background for training judo or bjj because in Aikido training you are learning how to take breakfalls etc. I like all three martial arts because they are all based on resolving conflict with the least amount of violence possible. He even said to me the Aikido stuff he would use if he was having to talk to a drunk person or someone who's just mouthing off and he just want to give them a "back off" message. He's said he'd use his BJJ training if the person doesn't take the hint and goes in full bore. he said it was all about giving people chances before you take it that far though ie having to choke them out etc like he said "you don't go nuclear straight away".
You guys are the most chilled people on UA-cam
Please keep the videos coming, it’s great to see people being positive about things
Thanks for the video. Aikido isn´t rubbish and I´m proudly practicing aikikai(black belt) and tomiki aikido (blue belt) in addition to judo (black belt) and gojuryu karate (green belt). Interestingly, I never had to use any martial art I have ever practiced, which was when I was 12 years old and started judo because I used to fight a lot to stop bullies. I started aikido at age 21 and stopped for 26 years until I got my black belt last years along with judo. Fighting someone shows the lack of negotiation skills and the ability to deescalate a situation. Only weak people have to fight.
I'm assuming you do randori/rolling in your Judo practice, do you ever use your Aikido during that, including the standing locks, wrist throws etc?
Watching Osensei gives a direction in which to go. He.moved quickly between adversaries as they attempted to attack or control him. I was taught that the first part of any encounter is the "entry" and distance, balance and position were always key, moving into an advantageous opening.
I'm beginning to wonder, given the evolution of Aikido through, e.g. Tenshin Aikido (Steven Seagal's style), Aikidoflow itself and other "street fighting" versions of the art, if it is time to give that new style a brand new, fresh name so that it is not confused with traditional Aikido. I like to refer to it as "neo-Aikijujutsu", for want of a better term as of now. Hopefully someone can come up with a good name for this emerging style. KEEP GROWING, AIKIDOFLOWERS!
Aikido is a Martial Art that is always evolving. The problem is some Sensei stand still and do not help Aikido to evolve. I have studied two other martial arts but Aikido gives me something different a different option and I have used it once in self defence in a street situation where another man came at me with a wheel brace from a car and guess what it worked . Some techniques in Karate Katas don’t work also because the application is different in a real situation so you have to adapt your technique to the situation. PS Evolve.
I completely agree with what you both said. I used to do TKD and Aikido. I"m a bloater but I know my arm techniques. I've caught the legs of many black belts and made them dance. It must be from my ice hockey goalie experience.
In a fight scenario, someone is going to throw a punch at you. TKD can deal with that. It's when they throw a wild one where you can use Aikido to take them to the floor. I have a long reach so I can generally stitch somebody first.
At the end of the day though, I'd rather look like a coward and walk away. Here in the US, you have no idea what someone is carrying. I'm 58 now and not in the greatest of health. I don't go out to pubs, bars etc. It's too costly and I don't need the aggro.
Peace and good vibes to the both of you,
Well, Aikido has never been a "fighting" martial art or meant to be used to go on the offensive to attack and defeat someone. On the contrary it is designed to be defensive in nature only -- to defeat and restrain an attacker. People who don't understand that purpose seem often be the ones critical of Aikido.
This was exactly the type of Convo I have with folks no matter the Martial Art but especially with Arts like Aikido and Wing Chun.
Thanks for the video. Legit question though: If someone is specifically looking for self-defense, why not choose a martial art where you don't have to adapt it so much to the street? A Judo throw for instance might require a non-gi adaptation but it is pretty much the same, and striking arts require from little to no modification.
I'm an Ex Judo Player and Boxer but in particular an Ex Soldier and we were taught Aikido during our Across the Water training prior to deployment on detachment. It involved the use of your Rifle and Baton also, likely a converted methodology, I found it useful and used it when teaching my employees up until 2015, prior to retirement. As a company we included it in our CAM© programme very successfully, personally? I rate it..!
Why is this so hard to understand? Thanks for putting it out there in such a straightforward way.
I think that for someone to think of any martial art as the one-and-only or superior is foulish. If that was the case, at this point, there would only be ONE martial art; the others would've withered away long before now.
There is something in every one of them that can be beneficial for some and not others. And that benefit for one may not be what another is looking for.
A person can be in a dojo with 9 other students, and each of them could gravitate to different aspects of the same martial art.
Just learn, practice, train, and better yourself. Then, learn some more.
I think it's how you look at it. I don't practice aikido per se, but a self-defence art that has aikido muay thay and jui-jitsu. And I've seen and done these locks in sparring. But the thing is, they don't happen defensively. You put pressure on with punches and people make all sort of mistakes. They post on your chest, on your hands, they leave hands out undefended. And then you do the locks.
Interesting.
Hey guys keep up the great video's. Ive used my little aikido practice and knowledge in my karate and jkd concepts. It all depends how open your mind is. Keep what is useful, discard what is useless.
What I think people generally mean when they ask: "Is Aikido rubbish?" is actually: "Is Aikido useless in a real fight?"
I would argue any martial art which is trained without resistance is going to be nearly useless in a real fight and that is how most Aikido dojos have people train.
I would also argue many of the techniques of Aikido are impossible to make useful and would all but disappear if trained with resistance (almost never be pulled off).
I would argue the most value you could get out of Aikido in real life fights, including self defense, would be achieved by training it with resistance.
I wold also argue you can already get more out of training BJJ, Judo, Sambo and wrestling than doing that.
When people tell skeptics to spar with these two gentlemen, I think many of us, including myself, would be happy to do that. Sparring is not fighting to try to injure someone, there is nothing wrong with respectful sparring to test you skills and these two seem like respectful gentlemen you could have a friendly sparring session or roll with.
Which makes me wonder whether these two ever tried any of the more competitive grappling styles, tried wrestling with some people from Judo, BJJ etc to see how that works and how it relates and compares to what they do themselves and whether they think they should incorporate any of that into their own skill sets.
The only major issue I see with Aikido training is that the Uke is often trained to respond a specific way to the techniques. The result being that even if a technique would not work against resistance, the Uke moves as if it would work. If the Uke gave realistc attacks and received the technique realistically, then the Nage would be able to refine their technique.
I agree with you. That’s what ‘martial arts’ is defined. If you love any martial arts it’s an enjoyable experience to maintain physically & mentally fit while contributing to longevity. Don’t listen to the neysayers!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
The dojo really does make a difference. I was practicing at this one Aikikai who follow Akira Tohei, after having practiced at a dojo under Yoshimitsu Yamada. I don't know if it was the lineage or my particular sensei, but the approach to many techniques was very different. For instance, kote gaeshi against a tsuki. At one dojo I was taught that you had to use your hip as a focal point to apply leverage against the uke's arm, in order to lead them around in a circle, setting up the throw. At the other dojo uke was expected to turn themselves, in order to continue their attack. You only needed to execute a simple irimi and then take the diagonal step back to throw them. I hope I'm describing that clearly, but the second was simpler and seemed much more realistic.
Uke does not have to do anything, never. The problem is, if you train like this, it does not work, if uke is not doing anything. There is a simple trick. If uke does not what they have to do, you hit them. That is why Aikido does not work without Atemi. Uke is not complying with your technique out of agreement, but as the lesser evil.
Im guessing the first was Akira Tohei's dojo and the second the late Sensei Yamada's? (Was that the one on 18th Street in NYC?)
@@BillDores You matched the methods to the correct schools, but I was not so fortunate as to have learned directly from them. But I was fortunate to learn from a student of Yamada, Shihan Harvey Konigsberg, at his dojo in Woodstock NY. This was over thirty years ago. Unfortunately I was only there a short time, but the experience made an impression that still remains
I'd love to see a show where people who ask that question spar with you.
Would love to be in that.
I hold belts in two arts niether is Aikido. I have faught bolth on the mat and in the world Aikido practitioners. A man much wiser than i said never box a boxer never wrestle a wrestler. No art is the be all end all art. Anyone that trains in any art is going to have an advantage over someone that doesn't train. The best skill i bring to a fight wasnt learned in a dojo. I learned this skill in the army. Its called attention to detail, and ive used it to win more fights than i can imagine. Quite simply when i notice things getting ready to go sideways i leave. Now its not 100%, but i can count the number of times ive ended up in a fight (outside of combat) on one hand.
Is aikido garbage? These two gentlemen did a great job of explaining the good and wanting parts of their art. Gentlemen its refreshing to hear a fellow artest be honest and truthful about their arts limitations. Respect 👊
Thanks guys. I appreciate all your videos. My experience of the effectiveness of any martial art is how the syllabus is designed and how realistically it is taught. My own Aikido journey started as a 2nd dan black belt in Trad Japanese Jiu Jitsu trying out a new approach. The syllabus i learned was, in my opinion, too soft to be effective if this was one's only martial art. Hardly any throws and no resistance.
Talk cheap action louder than words😊Steven
I think many dojos water Aikido down much. While I do not want to question their motives - reasons for training in Aikido can be very different - different kinds of training are differently suited for self-defense. If you really want to use Aikido for self-defense, you also need to train striking. The majority of Aikido depends actually on it. According to O-sensei it is 70%.
As a retired police officer it has been taught to us. We did concentrate much in the arm and wrist locks after we have control of the subject. If used properly they have worked for me after I got the subject under control.
You are correct that in taking control of a violent subject other techniques other than Aikido in many cases become necessary whether it’s judo or grappling
But Aikido is NOT RUBBISH.
@@aaronkamaunu692 you should take note of Judo being employed by Japanese law enforcement. In China it’s ‘san-da.’ Fortunately, I had employed an Aikido technique that was just spontaneous with a judo hip thrust that caused me attacker to fall & I landing on top of him with a choke hold submission. No one despite what one may think is going to leave his hand or palm compliantly for you to control or manipulate. This is what’s being employed in the dojo to prevent unnecessary injuries.
I took it years ago even before people heard of steven Seagal. I did it for a few weeks and my thoughts were like the criticism these guys mentioned. I switched to a harder style that I thought was more practical, simpler, and easier to learn for self defense. Now it sounds like to me aikido can be very useful as a complimentary art to another style. Something to use in conjunction with a harder striking style. There it would be very useful because it gives you some more options to use in different situations.
Some things like a few of the futari dori exercises. And struggle to find a use for kiten nage but I think aikido is good
Aikido was developed as a defense against a samurai with a sword. It's not rubbish, it just doesn't have any modern day, real life application because you'll more than likely not be attacked by a samurai
Hello, It has been my experience in this life that any tool (yes Aikido is a tool in my opinion) will be more useful to the one who has become more familiar with it. If you hand me a wrench I might be able to use it to some degree but in the hands of a life long mechanic it will do way more. Any "style" can be effective if the user is comfortable with it. I have found many things in Aikido that are useful but not everything. The same is true for many other disciplines. The take away here is learn to use what tools you have and apply it as needed. Thank you for the great content and God Bless
Aikido isn't rubbish, its actually very useful, if you work in security, or in the prison or police service, then knowing effective aikido techniques that you can apply safely and properly depending on what volitile or dangerous situation you and your fellow colleagues find yourself in, its certainly better to have it, as an additional tool you can use, if you feel the need to.
You can't compare Aikido techniques (which come from sword techniques) with techniques that come from hand-to-hand self-defense. If you're using a sword, nobody wants to touch you. So, the misunderstanding about Aikido is failing to realize that the attacker must see your hand as a sword.
Another question is why aikidokas look so athletic, never seen better in my life
People used to think Kung fu was useless too... then they met Bruce Lee
He was an actor
Any martial arts if it helps you defend yourself is a good martial art, they are mostly designed as a self defence,
Here in 2024 it's very useful to know how to defend one's self,
Aikido Boxer Fitness I can challenge against any man in world, the point is to get opponent on ground in boxer ring competition, is that not goal point also in Aikido practice routine?
You gotta soften them up first.
Still doesn't work
Rokas from Martial Arts Journey should have been talking to them before renounced his Aikido stuffs 😂
Rumble in Jungle Rope a dope Aikido Boxer grapple by The Greatest Legend Saint Loving Muhammad Ali.
I'm the first again. And stop questioning Akido I'm getting sick of it
Its not rubbish, it was meant for law enforcement, not self defence, daito ryu's takeda taught to police officers and navy guards, even samurai era, it was used by top samurai guarding the lord, the idea being to restrain them, so they can be questioned as to who sent them.
I was a police officer, aikido worked fine, but its not really a self defence, but with slight changes canbe changed, but that is not easy.
@@wadoryujujutsukempo6289okay, how long can the basics be learnt? Where were you a cop? Tia
@@f.dmcintyre4666I was an officer in the UK, i did aikido for 8 years, before i spent a couple daito ryu, but my main art has been wado and iaido since 1995. The techniques i used were sankyo, and nikyo used the most. In the UK there is a restriction on what you can use, talking first, then spray, then armlocks before batten
@@wadoryujujutsukempo6289 okay I was brought up in Hendon...yes UK cops deffo need to be able to fight. How long to master some basics? I have done some WC, lots of tricks but lacks reality... I would love to do judo but ouch! Too much reality!!! Respect
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Because of Steven seagull
If You think its Rubbish, try messing with those two and see what happens, LOL
Any time aywhere.if you train aikido you can't fight.
Aikido and Hapikido are a great tool. TOOL. Practitioner is the key. In law enforcement it is amazing. In MMA it is impractical. Bring a knife into the MMA ring and see a gaping hole in the style. All "styles" are tools. Use the appropriate tool for the problem.
Aikido flow practice is perfecto in boxer fitness style.
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It’s all rubbish except for Puko, the ancient martial art of controlled projectile vomiting. Learn Puko and fear no one.
He makes the point most contrarians do - as a stand alone practice in combat, it doesn't work. And the principles that do work (balance/movement) are taught in all martial arts. The term 'martial arts' is derived from the Latin word 'Mars' in reference to the god of war, hence meaning 'the art of war'. So sure, aikido has some utility. And anyone who trains, studies, and commits to anything (not just a martial art) is going to just be a better more effective person in life than someone who does not by virtue of discipline. But the argument against aikido isn't 'aikido vs no training', it's aikido vs any other martial art, and that's where aikido comes up short. In a hierarchy of martial arts as a combat (war) system, it is nearer the bottom than the top.
That being said, we need another original UFC style tournament that pits top practitioners of each specific art against each other. One where the fighter is only allowed to use the techniques of their specific art in combat. I would rather see that than celebrity pseudo-boxing fights.
It’s so bad that even Bujinkan is better than Aikido.
Aikido Sucks
Aikido isnt rubbish but steven seagel Aikido is rubbish lol
yes it is.i did it for 12 years and for self defense is delusional
In my opinion, without learning any specific martial arts at all; an individual with the opportunity to access well-informed and experienced persons anyone can learn and develop a decent level of self protection/defence abilities (not exactly fighting skills per say) that don't involve 'delusion', basically overconfidence in one's ability to protect oneself according their individual circumstances, things like body size included. But in regards to martial arts, what systems/styles or sports do you consider of value in this regard, assuming decent teachers are available? I'm just curious what your thoughts are.
@@kaylemkerr6989 boxing and wrestling, is all you need for self defense
@canispugnax4684 That's a nice answer/mix that I can't argue against; I'd say I don't 'literally' believe that those things are the 'only' things someone could learn, though. In regards to boxing usefulness, though, a few important things have to be kept in mind. Boxing in the way most people learn it assumes the person is fighting with hand/knuckle protection (gloves). When fist fighting without gloves, one's approach has to change slightly; additionally, dirty boxing techniques can/should be a consideration. Another issue is that not all styles of boxing are made equal in regards to self-protection/defence; a person can not/should not box in which way they want (how they would for sport). To give a picture of what I'm trying to say, a Mexican style in which you fight in a more squared stance, being aggressive is significantly better than being an overly defensive shoulder roll stylist in a more bladed stance. In my example, the Mexican style basically helps with getting the job down quicker, it's significantly better for defending against take downs/grappling because the hands and arms are much closer together in fronts of the opponent. Also the shoulder roll style is significantly weaker at defending potentially against more than one person and is worse for arm control if one can forsee a blade attack before the point of no return/being unable to protect oneself from serious injury/death.
@@kaylemkerr6989 well to a certain point you are right I think the main problem with Aikido is the lack of sparring
You may love it and have different reasons for doing it, but if enough people are saying the same thing all the time perhaps they have a point.
Problem is, most of that people just follows the trend of talking shit about Aikido without putting the work, basically keyboard warriors, delusional aikido students or as*oles seeking for validation.
Hard style with some other stuff added .. useful .. especially when opposition doesn't know what is actually happening ... Got to be fast ... Start slow get faster