Large groups have a problem keeping track of people. There was a kid at Show Low Lake in AZ last summer who was at a camp for football. After a practice all the boys went down to Show Low Lake to swim. All got out a little while later except one. No one notice him being missing until many hours later. He had drowned. They found his body the next day with divers in the lake. Very sad. He was only 15 years old. Some one in large groups needs to be responsible for counting hears!
That’s like that couple on the I Shouldn’t Be Alive who didn’t make it back to the headcount and their tour guide just assumed they left on their own rather than got lost. They ended up getting trapped in a gorge and finding the tent and remains of another missing hiker. Finally they managed to get noticed by starting a huge forest fire.
@@Eidolon1andOnlyI don’t think college aged kids really pay attention to head counts. They likely weren’t even thinking that way. It’s also likely that the groups get split up into little pairs and trios. And you don’t really notice when you’re splitting up like that.
@@The_ZeroLine But that doesn't explain how no one noticed once it was time to leave the park. More than likely the group carpooled. How did no one notice that a driver and/or passengers were missing? This also took place in 1949, when people weren't distracted by cell phones, texts, or social media, and higher education campuses were still focussed on teaching marketable skills, including high level mathematics at a time before even the most basic pocket calculator was invented. A time fresh after the second world war where people were supremely aware of family and friends who were lost during that conflict, and having to face that loss every day, persistant awareness of who and what were missing since the US entered the war. These college kids would be far more in tune to their surroundings and little details than a group of the same age of college students of today.
I’ve hiked in Estes Park in this same area and became disoriented, the terrain was almost unpassable! Beautiful country but was the closest I’ve come to getting lost, and depleted before making it out. I thank God I made it, one of the scariest time of my life! So I pray for the families left to wonder and grieve. RIP to all those who’ve lost their lives from being lost. 🙏❤️ thanks Bryan for all you continue to do.
Mellow, what do you think getting lost an disoriented like that is mind altering,? at least it seemed to me. That fear just seemed to grab onto my neck and, crush and chew. I am so happy you made it out. And I guess me too! The Rockies that's where I want to die but not that way . Take care and watch your topknot, 🇺🇸👍🤠
I run a walking group and often there are only 8 or 9 of us. Many times the group have headed off along the path without realising one or two have gone off to the toilet. I have to shout to get them to stop and wait. It is amazingly easily done as people get into conversation with one other person and become engrossed in that chat. They must think everyone else is doing the same. Thankfully our walks are short and safe on the ground level in the UK.
I agree: all three men died, either by accident (falling or injuring themselves in some way that kept them from being able to get to safety) or by getting lost and dying of exposure. As we have learned from your videos, it is all too easy to become disoriented in wilderness areas. The terrible weather that came in also may have sealed their fates. Sad stories, all.
@@cncguy1979sociopath. Actually the car caught my eye as well..beautiful car and yes it was rare in 1933 for many folks to even own a car in the midst of the depression.
Wow, so sad for the families:( but hopefully one day they will get answers and be able to lay their loved ones to rest. Thank you again for all you do!
Yep very true! That's why I included some old pictures and talked about the trails. The park only opened in 1915.. so at that point it was only open for 18 years.. it's now been open for over a hundred years! many of the trails today were not yet marked. I believe in Joseph's case he tried to reach Taylor Peak by crossing over the summits of the other mountains I marked with red dots.. but that's just a theory.
@@bawattsyl It's great that you had access to some of those old maps. I live just over an hour away from Estes Park. Lots of missing people in the Rockies. It can get pretty rough up there.
@@marilynn76 some were hard to find but thank you and thank you for watching and your feedback🙏 please let me know if there's ever a case in your area you want me to cover.
@@bawattsyl Thanks; there is a missing woman named Edna Quintana from Saguache, CO. This one has stuck with me for some reason. They were searching for her when they found Suzanne Morphew's remains.
@@marilynn76 ok I'll look into it. That actually happens more than people know..I mean when out searching for someone teams find another lost/ missing person. I'll start researching it🙏
Crazy! And Sad:( Thank you for sending me a preview copy! I really like how deep you research! It's very sad they were all so young:( Thank you for another great episode! Prayers for all their relatives!
Wow I would have had no way of knowing that. That was before my time but that's a great piece of trivia for sure! Thank you for sharing! And for watching🙏
Now there we are again. Disappear and storm after. What is that? There has to be something to it. I hadn't heard of this before. Thank you and blessings to you.❤🙏
@@mollylittlewolf9192 maybe not? I mean, first there’s maybe a biais because we don’t hear as often about those who are found, but also if there’s a storm, if the people who are lost are still fit enough to seek shelter, they might hide and thus not be easily found afterwards? I know I must sound very nitpicky, but I’m only trying to kind of think out loud about why.
i notied the second hikers were out in the ‘Rockies in ‘september. That is so late in summer, a winter storm can come on fast. even out on the Great plains, people would get caught in an unexpected spring or fall blizzard and not found until spring.
Only 2 went missing in the group of 9. The first disappeared in 1933 in the same spot..according the records, based on confusion and certain mistakes when the 2 went missing in 1949, the others didn't even realize it until the next day in class.
@@bawattsyl Still doesn't make any sense, especially when considering they all likely car pooled. For either of the two missing to not be a driver, or for their drivers not to notice a passenger or passengers missing, doesn't add up.
@@Eidolon1andOnly all I can tell you is what I read in the archives and from the witness statements. I agree with you that I don't understand how they could have been missed but🤷♂️ if you'd like to do further reading, I left all my sources in the description. Thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
@@bawattsyl I'm just saying there's definitely more to the story than what the sources are revealing. Especially considering the era this happened, when younger adults weren't so distracted by social media and more in tune with their surroundings.
@@Eidolon1andOnlyif you're good at research, get on it.. and let me know what you find that I may have missed. I'm always open to new information. You can email me (it's on the description) you seem passionate about this so I'm hoping maybe you can help. I look forward to hearing from you.
Hi Bryan! Thank you for the video! It's so sad what happened to these young men in RMNP, I hope and pray that they find out what happened and that their families will find peace and comfort. I hope you are doing okay. Continued prayers for you and your family 🙏 Timber
Thank you as always for your prayers 🙏and thank you for watching and your kind words! I hope things are well your way! I'm sure you heard about the terrible disaster here with the 1.5 mile key Bridge collapsed within 5 seconds after being struck a freight liner leaving port:(:((((
@@bawattsyl you're welcome! Things are okay, hanging in there. In Virginia or was that the bridge in Boston MA? I saw on my breaking news at work about the bridge collapse in Boston it's so horrible what happened and all those poor people who went into the water in their cars 😢
@@timberdaniels7317 no the Bridge is in Baltimore not Boston. Very close to my office. I've gone over it many many times and honestly for whatever reason I never liked that Bridge..it was always scary driving across it with crazy trucks and traffic. If it had been 5 hours later there would have been hundreds of cars on that Bridge. Anyway it was one or 2 major arteries getting into the port and the other is a tunnel which tends to get backed up. They still don't understand why the whole Bridge collapsed with only one piling being hit. Baltimore is one of the biggest ports in the country so there is tons of freight liner traffic going under and it was supposed to be built to withstand such an event but🤷♂️ its a terrible tragedy:( I hope things are going well there and thoughts and prayers for you too 🙏
@@bawattsyl I don't know why I keep saying Boston 🤦 thank you for letting me know the bridge is in Baltimore. I didn't know it was that close to your office. It sounded like a scary bridge. I don't understand how it could have collapsed either if only one pilon was hit. Was it structurally sound before the collapse? It's horrible that it collapsed and what happened to the people who went into the water in their cars 😢 if I recall the water was only 30 degrees. Prayers for all the people and their families of the bridge collapse. Things are just okay here. Kind of meh. Thank you for your prayers I appreciate it 🙂🙏 Timber
Ok Bryan I have a theory about the missing 411. I tried reaching out to a couple of others but I just get laughs and eye roll comments. I know people hear methane and think about climate change but my theory is Methane gas pockets. Methane escapes from caves and the most disapeances happen near underground cave systems. If someone is near an escape opening they would be over come quickly with Methane poisoning which causes disorientation, hallucinations, confusion. And people that are found in the missing 411 cases are often found in this condition. It's worth looking into maybe you should keep a Methane detector on you when you go hiking you might prove my theory. Also methane can smell like sulfur which is what a lot of people say they smell when they see bigfoot or dogman. It could be methane causing the hallucinations.
I'm sorry people laughed at you. No theory should be ignored unless it's truly crazy.. but your theory has some merit. I'll have to do more research but thank you for the feedback and for watching🙏
That’s interesting, I wonder how long the effects would last on people after being exposed to the gas? Every theory should be looked into before laughing it off. Thanks for sharing yours
Good stuff... yeah I think its rather easy in the high country to go missing or lose your orientation when there is little formal trail designation. Also, one mistake crossing a snowfield or scree section and you could tumble down to your demise. RIP to our fellow hikers.
Yes very true.. even with our many marked trails in National parks, I've had a few close calls myself in high snow or snow bridges.. thank you for watching and your feedback 🙏
Hey brother you should do a video on Amanda Nenigar. just found out about her case and it makes my blood boil. Much love Bryan and God bless. appreciate all you do to spread awareness
Thanks, Bryan, for these sad and mysterious cases. Having lived in Colorado for 26 years and being familiar with the vastness and beauty of Rocky Mountain National Park it doesn’t really surprise me that people could disappear without a trace. The searches mounted at the times of these disappearances were nothing like the massive efforts employed currently.and yet some of the more recent cases, no doubt, remain unsolved. Even though the passing decades make resolution unlikely I do hope the families can find peace that allows closure, with or without physical evidence. 🥰🐅
So strange and so sad, it seems like weather was a huge factor but not sure why none of their gear or clothing was ever found. Prayers for their families!
Their are many of the families descendents that are still looking for answers and trying to find anything they can that would help bring any kind of closure. Thank you for watching and your feedback 🙏
The first guy had a better chance then most if he had food,water & a map with him. After watching so many of these cases I'm a firm believer that carrying a lighter is a must. Can start a fire to keep warm or signal searchers. Also a compass and knowing what direction a main road ir trail is.
Hey man, do you think you can do a video on Timothy Kravchenko? I’d greatly appreciate it as I knew who he was. 19 year old athletic kid crashed his car into a ditch (minor crash) and ran into the woods, got lost and was found dead 7 days or so later. He left his wallet and phone in his car and why wouldn’t he just walk on the road vs the woods? Better chance to find a house or business along the road than going into the woods. Such a sad and weird story.
Disappearance without a trace on the eve of major storm suggests bears, as a bear's sensitive ears can detect changes in barometric pressure, signalling an opportunity for the bear to differ from the normative rules of engagement and attack people. An operational assumption would be the bear used the gap at Flat Top to travel to or from the lake. Ursular astigmatism causes the bear to track in a straight line in unbroken terrain, and, to the left in broken terrain when not pursued, to the right when pursued through broken terrain.
I've hiked in this area many times with my family, but in 1933 and 1949 there were very few people around, and no buildings there. All three lads experience perfect hypothermia conditions: wet, cold and windy, and even with "warm clothing" hypothermia was there fate.
Also it's often when people go missing (I mean bad weather moving in) in the mountains, especially out west, it can be clear blue one minute and crazy weather the next.. but yes I see your point. Thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
Like in many other cases it is exposure, desorientation and hypothermia. Stay together and do not leave the group. To get seperatet is the worst case. Alter such long times there is still hope to find some remains. I do not believe in any conspiroucy theories about missing. There is always a conclusion.
Sadly that does happen. Weather comes up fast and unexpected in the mountains. But carrying a sat com device these days can be very helpful. Thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
i wondered the samr thing, i actuallu wrote a comment then eleted it. yes, i think there for sure were Grizzliy bears in the park they didn’t know it was a nat park. And they don’t see too well at a distance but can smell anything ediible.. tourists and hilers bring food. And if a storm was approaching , yeah, a bear fattening up for winter, would grab a meal if one came along. There has always been grizzly bears in the Rockies and on the Plains. but no effects of the hilers were ever found, nless a grizzly or mountain lion dragged their prey, gear and all into a cave, and wiinter set in. And maybe sometimes if you eliminate every thing possible then what you have left is the impossible. like a 411 case before Pauldes?
Yes there were.. they thrived until the 1940s but in the mid to late 50s they really went down in population and Basically they went extinct in Colorado by the end of the 1960s. Although there was one sighting in 1979. Thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
Apparently after he went missing their we all these crazy theories and supposed sightings like he was working under a different name out west.. you can see some of it in the reward picture I put in our if you want you can look at my sources and read more about if you'd like. But none of those theories or rumors were ever substantiated. Thank you for watching and your comment 🙏
Are there any mines or know mineral deposits in that area? Some can reak havok on a compass and throw a person completely off course, especially back then. If the magnetic north is off by several degrees and a person is not aware of it, maybe that could offer an entirely new search area. Magnetictic discrepencies are available online thru government agencies. I'm just not sure how far back records go for that area...if there are any. Positive thoughts from me! They deserve to be home.
Very good point! Yes there are various old mines in and around that area.. none are still in use and from what I could find they were mostly abandoned by the 1930s but that doesn't mean there still aren't lots of minerals etc like you mentioned. Especially in the mountains. Thank you for watching and your feedback! Appreciate the theory and kind thoughts🙏
Strange how they can't find them even when the weather breaks. Parts of their clothes like the soles of shoes will never fall apart. And the two that were separated from group... makes no sense when the group was nine people . Smells fishy to me
I agree.. over this amount of time, especially because I know Joseph was wearing heavy duty leather boots with other leather gear and belt with buckle etc. It's very odd that nothing has ever been found although there always the case some things were found and the people didn't know about these cases and just tossed them or whatever. Who knows. Thank you for watching and your feedback!
I think there should be a Rocky mountain national Park comp of all the missing there is something I don't want too blah blah about but my father who's still alive he's 80 ,in the 70s my dad was a Willy's jeep 4 wheel drive let's get as high and far in the roads no one can with his coworker Friend who had a cj5 as I kid nothing scarier than seeing tires mear feet or less from a thousand foot drop or more I don't want to keep trying to Go into detail I know something is different or wrong about that area
What? Let's go on about nothing to do with... Anything . Is it my turn, my dad would put air horns in his vans or pickups. He always liked the charge them. So did people at the football games when we won. But yeah, something strange is going on
Sadly yes most likely. But it is strange that in so much time nothing has been found. Did you see my case on the Man who had been missing in Rocky Mountain National Park for over 30 years and hikers found his shoes in some melting snow and eventually him. Who knows, maybe people have found certain items of the years like clothing or possibly leather boots and didn't think anything of it because they weren't aware of these cases. 🤷♂️ thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
Most disappearances happen around cave systems? Where did you come up with that one? Are you sure gases come from mines,not just every cave. Most if not all the missing I've ever heard about never had any thing to do with caves. Doesn't explain where are the body's?
What are you talking about? I didn't mention caves at all or that most disappearances happen around cave systems.. or were you responding to another commener? I've never said that most disappearances happen around cave systems. So I'm a little confused at your comment🤷♂️
Thank you for saying! I don't understand how people can mock.. I mean I made it clear there are family members still researching and trying to find out what happened to Joseph.. imagine if they see a comment like that:( anyway thank you again and thank you for watching🙏
@@bawattsyl I appreciate your diligence in keeping their memory alive. This tale invokes both empathy and sympathy, which seem to be experiencing a sharp decline in our current culture. "There but by the grace of God, go I."
Large groups have a problem keeping track of people. There was a kid at Show Low Lake in AZ last summer who was at a camp for football. After a practice all the boys went down to Show Low Lake to swim. All got out a little while later except one. No one notice him being missing until many hours later. He had drowned. They found his body the next day with divers in the lake. Very sad. He was only 15 years old. Some one in large groups needs to be responsible for counting hears!
That’s like that couple on the I Shouldn’t Be Alive who didn’t make it back to the headcount and their tour guide just assumed they left on their own rather than got lost. They ended up getting trapped in a gorge and finding the tent and remains of another missing hiker. Finally they managed to get noticed by starting a huge forest fire.
@@Eidolon1andOnlyTrue, but often what they said about large groups (actually large groups) is true.
@@The_ZeroLine I definitely agree with that statement, but it doesn't really apply to the story of the college students who went missing.
@@Eidolon1andOnlyI don’t think college aged kids really pay attention to head counts. They likely weren’t even thinking that way. It’s also likely that the groups get split up into little pairs and trios. And you don’t really notice when you’re splitting up like that.
@@The_ZeroLine But that doesn't explain how no one noticed once it was time to leave the park. More than likely the group carpooled. How did no one notice that a driver and/or passengers were missing?
This also took place in 1949, when people weren't distracted by cell phones, texts, or social media, and higher education campuses were still focussed on teaching marketable skills, including high level mathematics at a time before even the most basic pocket calculator was invented. A time fresh after the second world war where people were supremely aware of family and friends who were lost during that conflict, and having to face that loss every day, persistant awareness of who and what were missing since the US entered the war. These college kids would be far more in tune to their surroundings and little details than a group of the same age of college students of today.
I’ve hiked in Estes Park in this same area and became disoriented, the terrain was almost unpassable! Beautiful country but was the closest I’ve come to getting lost, and depleted before making it out. I thank God I made it, one of the scariest time of my life! So I pray for the families left to wonder and grieve. RIP to all those who’ve lost their lives from being lost. 🙏❤️ thanks Bryan for all you continue to do.
Thank you for sharing your experiences and your kind words🙏 I'm glad you made it out ok!
Mellow, what do you think getting lost an disoriented like that is mind altering,? at least it seemed to me. That fear just seemed to grab onto my neck and, crush and chew. I am so happy you made it out. And I guess me too! The Rockies that's where I want to die but not that way . Take care and watch your topknot, 🇺🇸👍🤠
it’s crazy to me that there were only nine people in the entire 1949 group and somehow nobody noticed two people went missing?
If I were family members I would be angry and bitter the rest of my life. 💔
Sounds fishy to me.
I run a walking group and often there are only 8 or 9 of us. Many times the group have headed off along the path without realising one or two have gone off to the toilet. I have to shout to get them to stop and wait. It is amazingly easily done as people get into conversation with one other person and become engrossed in that chat. They must think everyone else is doing the same. Thankfully our walks are short and safe on the ground level in the UK.
I agree: all three men died, either by accident (falling or injuring themselves in some way that kept them from being able to get to safety) or by getting lost and dying of exposure. As we have learned from your videos, it is all too easy to become disoriented in wilderness areas. The terrible weather that came in also may have sealed their fates. Sad stories, all.
That man was 22 years old and owned that beautiful car?? That had to be pretty rare.
Really that's what you took away from that story? Are you a psosiapath
@@cncguy1979sociopath. Actually the car caught my eye as well..beautiful car and yes it was rare in 1933 for many folks to even own a car in the midst of the depression.
Wow, so sad for the families:( but hopefully one day they will get answers and be able to lay their loved ones to rest. Thank you again for all you do!
Wow. It's strange to see this because Bear Lake is now a very popular, and often downright crowded, destination.
Yep very true! That's why I included some old pictures and talked about the trails. The park only opened in 1915.. so at that point it was only open for 18 years.. it's now been open for over a hundred years! many of the trails today were not yet marked. I believe in Joseph's case he tried to reach Taylor Peak by crossing over the summits of the other mountains I marked with red dots.. but that's just a theory.
@@bawattsyl It's great that you had access to some of those old maps. I live just over an hour away from Estes Park. Lots of missing people in the Rockies. It can get pretty rough up there.
@@marilynn76 some were hard to find but thank you and thank you for watching and your feedback🙏 please let me know if there's ever a case in your area you want me to cover.
@@bawattsyl Thanks; there is a missing woman named Edna Quintana from Saguache, CO. This one has stuck with me for some reason. They were searching for her when they found Suzanne Morphew's remains.
@@marilynn76 ok I'll look into it. That actually happens more than people know..I mean when out searching for someone teams find another lost/ missing person. I'll start researching it🙏
Crazy! And Sad:( Thank you for sending me a preview copy! I really like how deep you research! It's very sad they were all so young:( Thank you for another great episode! Prayers for all their relatives!
My pleasure!, thank you for watching and always being so kind!
Very well done Bryan. Thank you & God bless. ☺️
Never miss any episode. You're the best.👍🏼🖖😀
Thank you! That's very kind of you to say! I really appreciate the support and feedback🙏
That flashlight is the same kind that Andy Taylor gave to Opie Taylor on the Andy Griffith Show titled "Keeper of the Flame" season 2 episode 14.
Wow I would have had no way of knowing that. That was before my time but that's a great piece of trivia for sure! Thank you for sharing! And for watching🙏
So your old with a sharp memory still😂
Now there we are again. Disappear and storm after. What is that? There has to be something to it.
I hadn't heard of this before. Thank you and blessings to you.❤🙏
Mabe because when there isn’t a storm, people are more easily found?
@@Cecily-Pimprenelle I'm sure. In most of these cases storms after but even after that should be able to find the body.
@@mollylittlewolf9192 maybe not? I mean, first there’s maybe a biais because we don’t hear as often about those who are found, but also if there’s a storm, if the people who are lost are still fit enough to seek shelter, they might hide and thus not be easily found afterwards? I know I must sound very nitpicky, but I’m only trying to kind of think out loud about why.
@@Cecily-Pimprenelle no you're thinking. Could be. You think search dogs could find them easier.. I wish they'd bring them in first.
i notied the second hikers were out in the ‘Rockies in ‘september. That is so late in summer, a winter storm can come on fast.
even out on the Great plains, people would get caught in an unexpected spring or fall blizzard and not found until spring.
Hi Bry good vid & hope you're well. I am watching this from Montenegro st prez, I've been touring the Balkans 😊
Hey Ian, wow that sounds like an adventure! Be safe! Thank you for watching as always and for your kind feedback🙏
@@bawattsylCroatia, Bosnia & Montenegro - TY Happy Easter, l am 61 in about 13 days time 😊
@@IanP1963 Happy Easter and happy early Birthday! Enjoy your travels! Would love to hear about them when you're done!
Nine people doesn't sound like a large group, and for three to go missing shouldn't have gone unnoticed by the other six.
Only 2 went missing in the group of 9. The first disappeared in 1933 in the same spot..according the records, based on confusion and certain mistakes when the 2 went missing in 1949, the others didn't even realize it until the next day in class.
@@bawattsyl Still doesn't make any sense, especially when considering they all likely car pooled. For either of the two missing to not be a driver, or for their drivers not to notice a passenger or passengers missing, doesn't add up.
@@Eidolon1andOnly all I can tell you is what I read in the archives and from the witness statements. I agree with you that I don't understand how they could have been missed but🤷♂️ if you'd like to do further reading, I left all my sources in the description. Thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
@@bawattsyl I'm just saying there's definitely more to the story than what the sources are revealing. Especially considering the era this happened, when younger adults weren't so distracted by social media and more in tune with their surroundings.
@@Eidolon1andOnlyif you're good at research, get on it.. and let me know what you find that I may have missed. I'm always open to new information. You can email me (it's on the description) you seem passionate about this so I'm hoping maybe you can help. I look forward to hearing from you.
Thank you Bryan
Thk you Bryan for bringing this event to our attention. So sad when ppl become lost....
Hi Bryan!
Thank you for the video! It's so sad what happened to these young men in RMNP, I hope and pray that they find out what happened and that their families will find peace and comfort. I hope you are doing okay. Continued prayers for you and your family 🙏
Timber
Thank you as always for your prayers 🙏and thank you for watching and your kind words! I hope things are well your way! I'm sure you heard about the terrible disaster here with the 1.5 mile key Bridge collapsed within 5 seconds after being struck a freight liner leaving port:(:((((
@@bawattsyl you're welcome! Things are okay, hanging in there. In Virginia or was that the bridge in Boston MA? I saw on my breaking news at work about the bridge collapse in Boston it's so horrible what happened and all those poor people who went into the water in their cars 😢
@@timberdaniels7317 no the Bridge is in Baltimore not Boston. Very close to my office. I've gone over it many many times and honestly for whatever reason I never liked that Bridge..it was always scary driving across it with crazy trucks and traffic. If it had been 5 hours later there would have been hundreds of cars on that Bridge. Anyway it was one or 2 major arteries getting into the port and the other is a tunnel which tends to get backed up. They still don't understand why the whole Bridge collapsed with only one piling being hit. Baltimore is one of the biggest ports in the country so there is tons of freight liner traffic going under and it was supposed to be built to withstand such an event but🤷♂️ its a terrible tragedy:( I hope things are going well there and thoughts and prayers for you too 🙏
@@bawattsyl I don't know why I keep saying Boston 🤦 thank you for letting me know the bridge is in Baltimore. I didn't know it was that close to your office. It sounded like a scary bridge. I don't understand how it could have collapsed either if only one pilon was hit. Was it structurally sound before the collapse? It's horrible that it collapsed and what happened to the people who went into the water in their cars 😢 if I recall the water was only 30 degrees. Prayers for all the people and their families of the bridge collapse. Things are just okay here. Kind of meh. Thank you for your prayers I appreciate it 🙂🙏
Timber
Ok Bryan I have a theory about the missing 411. I tried reaching out to a couple of others but I just get laughs and eye roll comments. I know people hear methane and think about climate change but my theory is Methane gas pockets. Methane escapes from caves and the most disapeances happen near underground cave systems. If someone is near an escape opening they would be over come quickly with Methane poisoning which causes disorientation, hallucinations, confusion. And people that are found in the missing 411 cases are often found in this condition. It's worth looking into maybe you should keep a Methane detector on you when you go hiking you might prove my theory. Also methane can smell like sulfur which is what a lot of people say they smell when they see bigfoot or dogman. It could be methane causing the hallucinations.
I'm sorry people laughed at you. No theory should be ignored unless it's truly crazy.. but your theory has some merit. I'll have to do more research but thank you for the feedback and for watching🙏
That’s interesting, I wonder how long the effects would last on people after being exposed to the gas? Every theory should be looked into before laughing it off. Thanks for sharing yours
Great job as usual, Bryan.
Thank you! I appreciate the kind feedback🙏
Thank you. I really liked the military pic, very captivating time capsule.
I like the way you do your channel.
Thank you! I appreciate that and thank you for watching!
Crazy! Thank you
Thank you for watching!
There would be no cellular devices etc. Certainly strange. Thank you for your care 🇨🇦❤️
Heartbreaking!
Interesting and really sad. Thanks for the story.
Good stuff... yeah I think its rather easy in the high country to go missing or lose your orientation when there is little formal trail designation. Also, one mistake crossing a snowfield or scree section and you could tumble down to your demise. RIP to our fellow hikers.
Yes very true.. even with our many marked trails in National parks, I've had a few close calls myself in high snow or snow bridges.. thank you for watching and your feedback 🙏
Bryan you are the man. Keep up the good work.
Hey brother you should do a video on Amanda Nenigar. just found out about her case and it makes my blood boil. Much love Bryan and God bless. appreciate all you do to spread awareness
OK I'll start looking into it. And researching the case. Thank you for watching and the feedback🙏
I pray you're doing well Bryan, I really enjoy your videos. ❤
Thanks, Bryan, for these sad and mysterious cases. Having lived in Colorado for 26 years and being familiar with the vastness and beauty of Rocky Mountain National Park it doesn’t really surprise me that people could disappear without a trace. The searches mounted at the times of these disappearances were nothing like the massive efforts employed currently.and yet some of the more recent cases, no doubt, remain unsolved. Even though the passing decades make resolution unlikely I do hope the families can find peace that allows closure, with or without physical evidence. 🥰🐅
So strange and so sad, it seems like weather was a huge factor but not sure why none of their gear or clothing was ever found. Prayers for their families!
Their are many of the families descendents that are still looking for answers and trying to find anything they can that would help bring any kind of closure. Thank you for watching and your feedback 🙏
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The first guy had a better chance then most if he had food,water & a map with him. After watching so many of these cases I'm a firm believer that carrying a lighter is a must. Can start a fire to keep warm or signal searchers. Also a compass and knowing what direction a main road ir trail is.
Hey man, do you think you can do a video on Timothy Kravchenko? I’d greatly appreciate it as I knew who he was. 19 year old athletic kid crashed his car into a ditch (minor crash) and ran into the woods, got lost and was found dead 7 days or so later. He left his wallet and phone in his car and why wouldn’t he just walk on the road vs the woods? Better chance to find a house or business along the road than going into the woods. Such a sad and weird story.
Of course I will. Do you think you can email with anymore info you have? But I'll start researching it.
@@bawattsyl yes sir, I will do. Thanks a lot Bryan
Disappearance without a trace on the eve of major storm suggests bears, as a bear's sensitive ears can detect changes in barometric pressure, signalling an opportunity for the bear to differ from the normative rules of engagement and attack people. An operational assumption would be the bear used the gap at Flat Top to travel to or from the lake. Ursular astigmatism causes the bear to track in a straight line in unbroken terrain, and, to the left in broken terrain when not pursued, to the right when pursued through broken terrain.
Bryan, I wonder why the weather always changes when so many go missing🤔
Who knows.. but it's also often weather that's involved in the disappearances. Thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
But the question is, which came first? Were they already at the edge when weather hit and sealed their fate?
I’ve done both peaks, it’s a long haul from flattop to Taylor well above treeline. Bear to Grand easy to take wrong drainage
I've hiked in this area many times with my family, but in 1933 and 1949 there were very few people around, and no buildings there. All three lads experience perfect hypothermia conditions: wet, cold and windy, and even with "warm clothing" hypothermia was there fate.
Too many times to be a coincidence that bad weather moves in after people go missing or when the search for them begins.
Also it's often when people go missing (I mean bad weather moving in) in the mountains, especially out west, it can be clear blue one minute and crazy weather the next.. but yes I see your point. Thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
I totally agree about people wanting to get lost and start a new life. A completely absurd theory! 😖
Like in many other cases it is exposure, desorientation and hypothermia. Stay together and do not leave the group. To get seperatet is the worst case.
Alter such long times there is still hope to find some remains. I do not believe in any conspiroucy theories about missing. There is always a conclusion.
Then you haven't looked into it much. If a ranger can tell something strange is going on... Something strange is going on
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Almost 100% of the rescue searches involve the weather turning bad! 🤔🤔🤔
Sadly that does happen. Weather comes up fast and unexpected in the mountains. But carrying a sat com device these days can be very helpful. Thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
Back in 1933 were there still Grizzly bears in the park?
i wondered the samr thing, i actuallu wrote a comment then eleted it. yes, i think there for sure were Grizzliy bears in the park they didn’t know it was a nat park. And they don’t see too well at a distance but can smell anything ediible.. tourists and hilers bring food. And if a storm was approaching , yeah, a bear fattening up for winter, would grab a meal if one came along. There has always been grizzly bears in the Rockies and on the Plains. but no effects of the hilers were ever found, nless a grizzly or mountain lion dragged their prey, gear and all into a cave, and wiinter set in. And maybe sometimes if you eliminate every thing possible then what you have left is the impossible. like a 411 case before Pauldes?
Yes there were.. they thrived until the 1940s but in the mid to late 50s they really went down in population and Basically they went extinct in Colorado by the end of the 1960s. Although there was one sighting in 1979. Thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
I wonder why it states Joseph “may travel under an assumed name”? That’s a little odd.
Apparently after he went missing their we all these crazy theories and supposed sightings like he was working under a different name out west.. you can see some of it in the reward picture I put in our if you want you can look at my sources and read more about if you'd like. But none of those theories or rumors were ever substantiated. Thank you for watching and your comment 🙏
Are there any mines or know mineral deposits in that area? Some can reak havok on a compass and throw a person completely off course, especially back then. If the magnetic north is off by several degrees and a person is not aware of it, maybe that could offer an entirely new search area. Magnetictic discrepencies are available online thru government agencies. I'm just not sure how far back records go for that area...if there are any. Positive thoughts from me! They deserve to be home.
Very good point! Yes there are various old mines in and around that area.. none are still in use and from what I could find they were mostly abandoned by the 1930s but that doesn't mean there still aren't lots of minerals etc like you mentioned. Especially in the mountains. Thank you for watching and your feedback! Appreciate the theory and kind thoughts🙏
Granite, water, quartz, magnetism. Same spot.
Strange how they can't find them even when the weather breaks. Parts of their clothes like the soles of shoes will never fall apart. And the two that were separated from group... makes no sense when the group was nine people . Smells fishy to me
I agree.. over this amount of time, especially because I know Joseph was wearing heavy duty leather boots with other leather gear and belt with buckle etc. It's very odd that nothing has ever been found although there always the case some things were found and the people didn't know about these cases and just tossed them or whatever. Who knows. Thank you for watching and your feedback!
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I think there should be a Rocky mountain national Park comp of all the missing there is something I don't want too blah blah about but my father who's still alive he's 80 ,in the 70s my dad was a Willy's jeep 4 wheel drive let's get as high and far in the roads no one can with his coworker Friend who had a cj5 as I kid nothing scarier than seeing tires mear feet or less from a thousand foot drop or more I don't want to keep trying to Go into detail I know something is different or wrong about that area
What?
Let's go on about nothing to do with... Anything . Is it my turn, my dad would put air horns in his vans or pickups. He always liked the charge them. So did people at the football games when we won.
But yeah, something strange is going on
I think they passed away and were buried by the ..., well, you know!
Sadly yes most likely. But it is strange that in so much time nothing has been found. Did you see my case on the Man who had been missing in Rocky Mountain National Park for over 30 years and hikers found his shoes in some melting snow and eventually him. Who knows, maybe people have found certain items of the years like clothing or possibly leather boots and didn't think anything of it because they weren't aware of these cases. 🤷♂️ thank you for watching and your feedback🙏
Bizarre vanishing..equally weird that the federal government isn't going to the bottom of these missing people..
Hon, you are delusional if you think any part of the government cares about what happens to you.
Lots of places to disappear in RMNP
Maybe they just packed up and went home hmmm 🤠🤠
Could have easily gotten lost & was unprepared for surviving the night. Or eaten by Sasquatch.
I don't know all the facts but I'm assuming they were inexperienced hikers not dressed warm enough and died from hypothermia
Weakling couldn't continue and let his friend get lost. Great friend...smh
You have a mineral deficiency
Most disappearances happen around cave systems?
Where did you come up with that one? Are you sure gases come from mines,not just every cave. Most if not all the missing I've ever heard about never had any thing to do with caves. Doesn't explain where are the body's?
What are you talking about? I didn't mention caves at all or that most disappearances happen around cave systems.. or were you responding to another commener? I've never said that most disappearances happen around cave systems. So I'm a little confused at your comment🤷♂️
Joseph had some ears on him now didn’t he?! I’m surprised he couldn’t hear them call for him.
Now hear this! De mortuis nil nisi bonum dicendum est " Of the dead nothing but good is to be said."
Thank you for saying! I don't understand how people can mock.. I mean I made it clear there are family members still researching and trying to find out what happened to Joseph.. imagine if they see a comment like that:( anyway thank you again and thank you for watching🙏
@@bawattsyl I appreciate your diligence in keeping their memory alive. This tale invokes both empathy and sympathy, which seem to be experiencing a sharp decline in our current culture. "There but by the grace of God, go I."
They don’t call it bear lake just out of the blue !
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