Peter and Ace are older now, saying Tommy and Eric are better is ridiculous as well!!! Get this through your heads, Peter and Ace in their prime untouchable, and better than any of the impostors or anyone in general
Bring back Donald, and bring back Peter & Ace. The first guy's not a musician...he's a blessing...Cherish him. Cherish all of em. I do. And I don't regret it, ever. Amen.
I love Peter and Ace. I’m a long time fan! I’m also a huge Singer fan and a…soso Tommy fan. Let’s face it. Thanks largely to Covid they’ve stayed at the party way too long!!! However for the fans and band members who wanted Kiss to continue they could not do so with Ace and Peter! I do hope they find a way to involve them in the last leg of the tour. Remember Eric Singer is a great drummer and has been an active member of Kiss for MUCH longer than Peter ever was! If Eric Carr wouldn’t have passed away we likely wouldn’t know Singers name. Carr was the engine that brought the band back from obscurity!
Not so sure about no knowing Singer's name, I have Lita Ford, Alice Cooper, Badlands and Black Sabbath records he played on before he played on a Kiss record.
Singer was already playing with Kiss before Carr passed. Singer also played in Paul's solo band. According to Eddie Trunk, Carr told him he expected to be replaced by Singer even before he got sick, Carr even asked Eddie to be on the lookout for bands needing a drummer.
I have been a KISS fan since 1976 when I first saw them on TV. I personally think it is a kick in the teeth to Peter and Ace to have Eric and Tommy where the Cat and Spaceman make up. They could have had Eric and Tommy use their own makeup like Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent did.
Peter and Ace could have kept the rights to their personas, but they picked the dollars instead. Apparently Ace was a better better business man than Peter, and only rented out the rights to the “Spaceman” while Peter sold the rights to the catman.
Every era of KISS is great. The Originals are just that, The Originals. The Greatest. Time's change, people change, life goes on. Live & let live. Every member is a special part of the entire ride. Enjoy the ride. Eric & Tommy do not get enough recognition for all they've done.
Amen to that. Everyone who was in KISS contributed to the band in some way. Eric and Tommy deserve their places in KISS. Tommy earned his place in the band after several years busting his ass behind the scenes. He is still very dedicated to the band, and he is a genuinely nice guy and a class act to boot. Ace and Peter are the guys who put Kiss on the map. The first six studio albums are the cream of the Kiss crop. I would absolutely love it if Ace and Peter would make an appearance at the final shows at Madison Square Garden.
@@Steve.CutlerWhy? Would you prefer they wore something different, like Vinnie Vincent? Most of the merch that has come out over the years is 99% the original lineup. As far as I am aware, both Peter and Ace's makeup is now owned by Kiss, and I'm sure there was some legal rights to them a few years back. I think it's fine with how Eric and Tommy wear the original makeup.
When ACE and PETER signed away their 'Character image rights' to Gene and Paul... they should have specified in the transaction that nobody else could dress up as them in the band.
The only thing Eric Singer has done is played Peters drum chops better than Peter. He has added double bass to classics like Deuce. Technically Peter sucked as a drummer. Anton Fig was even better.
Well, casual rock fans that want to see kiss as their bucket list concert. Those that only know RNRAN and DRC, and that they spit fire and smash guitars.....
When Eric Carr died, and Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer first put on the makeup, there were many who couldn't tell. I called the ones who couldn't tell, the real imposters. It's like a 14 year old girl from the city wearing a Nirvana shirt and can't name one song.
Nobody can take away the amazing contributions that Peter and Ace have made to KISS, but let's be real. They both left the band decades ago and gave up their partnership in the band. It has been 43 years since Peter departed and 41 since Ace quit (not counting the reunion as they were salaried and not full members). For over 40 more years Paul and Gene kept KISS going. There's no way after 40+ years Ace and Peter are going to step back into being full, equal members. It hasn't been earned. Sorry, I've loved KISS since 1975, but no...
Yes but the new guys who came in copied the exact same characters, instead of creating their own like Vinnie Vincent and Eric Carr. What does that tell u?
@@krispirtsios8654 It tells me that Tommy & Eric were hired to play the Spaceman & Catman which are just characters. They aren't specifically playing Ace & Peter. Plus, it's not like it's their decision anyway. Paul & Gene want to present Kiss with the four original makeup designs and it's their band.
@@RobertoLombardiActor well I agree with u. It tells me the experiment with having no make up and new characters wasn't working out, so they resorted to going back to basics which fans loved.
@@RobertoLombardiActor Disagree. Watch Tommy do the "drunk Ace shuffle" which he never played like that in Black n Blue and, Eric looks like he goes to Peter's barber. They are playing Ace and Peter....its a half cover band. Also, as far as Gene and Paul keeping it going. I was there in the 80's and the venues were far from what they were in the height of the 1970's or what they would become in the 1996 reunion. One could ague that if Gene and Paul hung it up after Peter and Ace quit that the reunion would have been even bigger. I get them being salaried employees, which I believe Gene and Paul wanted all along from day one but they were billed as 4 equal guys. Part of the problem with Kiss and several other bands is the misconception of "original member VS founding members". Ace and Peter are original members, we all know the story of Ace auditioning with one orange sneaker ....... you don't audition for a band if your a founding member. Same thing with Motely Crue, Mick auditioned ...Vince Neil auditioned. Nikki started Motely Crue.
If Peter and Ace valued their makeup so much, why did they sell the legal rights to their makeup? All throughout the 1980s and 1990s, Peter and Ace said nothing about not having the rights to their own makeup. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like they didn’t have an issue with the makeup until they were no longer in Kiss.
your correct, they did sell the rights to their make up. Eddie Trunk either doesn't know, or he's a complete moron. Gene & Paul can put whoever they choose in the make-up
Paul no longer has a voice and Gene is just tired. Besides, I don't see Paul coming back. I could be wrong but, I'd really be surprised if this ever went anywhere beyond the End of the Road. It's time to bow out.
Those avatar shows will die faster than Psycho Circus. Gene and Paul have worked for years. I know they want to sit on their butts and make a gallizion a year, but it's not going to happen. I wouldn't pay $15 to go.
It’s the same poor pity me party Peter Criss has been shilling for 40 years. Always the victim. Reunion tour, making what 40k a night. Literally taken from the “where are they now bin”. Still a victim.
The funny thing is that Peter was absolutely fine playing alongside Tommy Thayer in Ace's make up for Symphony and the subsequent tour of 2003... just as Ace was fine playing alongside Eric Singer in Peter's make up in 2001. It's only a problem when they are out of the band and no longer getting paid that they start talking about disrespecting the make up and the original 4, etc.... both are hypocrites.
@@jonvisser1509 same deal... saw them in Sydney 2 weeks ago in front of about 50000, which is a massive audience for Sydney, and no one cared about anything other than just being entertained and having a great time 👌
Durante el evento de "rnr hall of fame", quedó muy claro. Gene y Paul prefirieron No tocar con ellos. Tuvieron la oportunidad y la verdad es que dolió mucho no verlos rockeando😢
Exactly. When Ace and Peter came back, they were employees. Why would they have equal say? No different than Don Henley and Glenn Frey calling the shots when the Eagles got back together.
Do you think Deep Purple would only pay Richie Blackmore 10k a show, if they had him rejoin the band? Ace Frehley is to Kiss what Keith Richards is to the rolling stones. Judas Priest without Glen Tipton & KK Downing is just the Rob Halford band. But Ace is even more than KK. Because he's in the top 100 greatest guitar players of all time. Tommy Square isn't even in the top 5000. 13 songs on their End Of The Road Show feature Ace Frehley's lead guitar lines and several of his original songs. Gene has a Net Worth of 400m Paul has a Net Worth of 240m It sure wouldn't hurt them to pay the original missing members 25% each on one tour now would it? Peter wrote and recorded their highest charting hit. & again, Ace is in the top 100 greatest rock guitar players of all time.
@@thebluesrockers But, you are missing the elephant in the room. Kiss has no problem at all selling out stadiums without both of them. Why pay either of them 25% each when you can pay someone else 10K a show. They ABSOLUTELY don't need either of them. Why bother?
I don't see Eric or Tommy disrespecting Peter and Ace by wearing the makeup. Peter sold his rights and Ace licensed it to Kiss. It was Eric that got the whole reunions started by wanting to see Peter play with Gene and Paul at the unplugged events. In the end Eric and Tommy are just hired Guns to play a part. I don't fault them for taking advantage of an opportunity unless they are actually signing their names to Ace and Peter's likenesses (not makeup) . I blame Gene and Paul for continuing to "cash in" .
only 23 days left and the univesre will know if there will be one last reunion of these 4 giants that gave us kiddies so much joy only to find out later as adults tha it's all about 'dirty livin'. What a legacy.
The only way that I would pay to see kiss now as if Ace and Peter both came back and stood front and center and Peter played air drums and Ace played air guitar! I don't want Paul to feel bad
As someone whose always struggling financially, I lost any admiration for Peter when I read him complaining in his book that he was only earning $40,000 PER NIGHT. I’m sorry, but I’d give my right arm forty grand a night.
As if this would ever happen…Paul and Gene are hitting 80 years old! Peter could barely lift his sticks at the last reunion tour. And NOBODY would ever confuse Tommy and Eric as Peter and Ace. The current lineup has been together twice as long as the original lineup. Peter and Ace are great memories but they just don’t have to chops anymore.
it's not always about having the chops- with Kiss it is a band where people really care about specific members. People just really love to see the original lineup
@@r613-v7yAce can’t play That well now. I just saw him within the last year and he had two other guitarists with him and was as sloppy as hell. I felt ripped off because he barely went through the motions. Peter could barely play 20 years ago and he is older than the others
Stay home then.. Other people will gladly take your spot at concerts 😂 You need to accept that change had to be made at the faults of Peter and Ace. Those two were very undisciplined and couldn't stay sober..The fans were complaining about the shows that they were screwing up and wanted their money back. Ace's and Peter's habits caused way too much havoc during tours..There were times during concerts that Ace was too messed up to play guitar so they unplugged his guitar from the amps and Tommy Thayer was playing his part backstage unseen. Several times Paul had to tell Peter to speed up his tempo because he was lagging behind. Paul said it was embarrassing because both Peter and Ace are supposed to be professionals and we're not performing like it. Gene said he gave them WAY too many changes to straighten up and they didn't.
It's funny how Paul and gene had both said in interviews that they took off the make up in 83 because the new guys in the band their personas didn't work and they weren't gonna use personas they knew already on two different guys and it wasn't working with personas that were not heartfelt,so they took off the make up in 83 after the South American tour and unveiled themselves unmasked just when Lick it up would be dropped and would not return in make up until 1996 when they reunited with Ace and Peter. I'm at the point where I just don't believe a word they say anymore.
@@russellj.s.257 It's funny to me that I got into KISS when I was 12 in like 1993. I was watching the videos, KISS Konfidential, X-Treme Close Up, etc. And I was sad I'd never see KISS in make up. Now I'm 42, and I'm sad I'll never see KISS without the make up! Hahaha. I guess if I pay for the KISS Kruise, but I can't afford that.
You have to wrap your head around before the unmasking the public didn’t know what they looked like. Everybody wanted just to see their faces. It’s the best gimmick in music history. On the reunion the mystique was missing for me. I loved it the first time.
Peter Criss wakes up everyday and regrets selling his "Catman" likeness/trademark to KISS. Now his digital avatar is going to haunt him for the rest of his life performing in concerts, video games, and movies.
Sadly, the thing stopping this is money. Gene and Paul know dam well how ticket sales would jump if ace and peter got back up on stage with them. The problem is gene and paul want to pay them like hired hands. I wouldnt settle for less than equal share too.
Let’s be honest for a sec. After the initial blow out in the 70s and the reunion drama, why would Paul and Gene want to revisit the Criss/Frehley drama? Both guys earned millions on the reunion and still created problems. BTW….Criss sold the rights to “his” makeup. That’s how much he thought of it. Spare me his revisionist history.
I thought that Peter and Ace both sold the rights of their Catman and Spaceman personages to Gene and Paul? Which is something that I would have never done if I were in their shoes. I mean, what did they think was going to happen?
@@dvg4104 oh I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. I'm sure they could put an album out like that, but playing live is a different story. With an album there's a lot of things that you can do to make it sound perfect beyond your capabilities. I just don't see it happening unless somebody offers them an outrageous amount of money to do it.
Why would KISS bring back Peter or Ace? They were selling out stadiums and only paying chump change to replace both Peter and Ace. Sorry Peter and Ace, the two of you were train wrecks in your youth and ya'll are paying the consequences of your bad decisions while both Gene and Paul are worth hundreds of millions!
1) In the 70's Peter was a rock star. 2) Peter has never actually been a musician, at least not a serious one. Peter has no one to blame but himself for not being in the band. When reunited in 1996, it was glaringly obvious that Peter's skills had dramatically diminished. At the height of his career in the late 70's he was an incredible player. If he had dedicated himself to becoming better, to learning new skills behind the set, working on his rudiments, etc. Given who he was, you don't think he couldn't have called up people like Neil Peart, Alx Van Halen, or players like Cozy Powell and began to learn from them? Not because of any potential for a reunion down the road, but to simply become the best he could possibly be if the opportunity to reboot his career ever materialized. I can guarantee if he had done that, and if he would have had a grateful attitude, he would still be with the band today.
Eric Carr has always been my favorite KISS drummer. With that being said Peter is an icon and of course the original. For all the controversy and split opinions that surround KISS I think there biggest mistake was not giving Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer there own makeup and identity in the band, fans will always have there favorite members but i think alot of fans would have been less critical if they weren't dressed up as former members, they gave Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent there own image and they should have for Eric Singer and Tommy aswell. To me that's the moment KISS went from an ever evolving active band to a greatest hits act.
Does Michael Keaton post daily on Twitter, 'That is not me, it's Christian Bale.'? No, of course not. KISS morphed from a rock band to a stage production years ago, and many people did not notice.
Not trying to sound like an A-HOLE but just my opinion,Singer and Thayer may very well be great musicians in their own right but to go out there potraying the Space Man and the Catman,the band seems pretty much like its half tribute band of their own band..Also whats pretty lame is that even though Ace and Peter were the originals,Paul and Gene own the rights to those characters..From a business perspective it may be to their benefit but it also shows how greedy and cutthroat they are as well
Neither Peter and Ace own the rights to the makeup, not to mention that Paul and Gene were the ones in the trenches for all those years and kept the band going. If they don't want to show up for the final show it's on them and their selfishness.
Telling KISS the only way you'll play with them again is like me saying the only way I'd sleep with Kristin Bell is if Mila Kunis, Barbara Eden, and Jenna Haze could join. 2 of them are retired and nobody invited me anyway.
Peter doing what he does best...he lied about thinking he was a rock star...that is why he left the band. He felt like he was the star. That was not a secret. I lost all respect for him when he destroyed the reunion tour. And then he bitched endlessly. And who are these idiots talking with Peter...NOBODY who follows KISS (and is not under 6 years old...knows Petyer has been gone for years. hell just watch Eric play...blows Peter away!
Maybe Gene and Paul will spin it as, 'the 'End of the Road Tour', was wrap up for the current lineup up Kiss. We are now going to tour the world, senior citizen homes and all, with Ace and Peter'. It won't happen..but at tje same time, it wouldn't shock me. It wouldn't be the first time that they used sketchy wording to get out of supposed tour commitments. I say the odds of an original lineup reunion are about the same as Paul announcing that he has decided to finally come out of the closet.
Eric Singer does that "Catman" Justice. I think Eric Singer has been the best drummer of Kiss by far. He always appears to be enjoying him self up on that perch. The reunion tour was nice for a one time thing don't get me wrong. But the best Kiss is the final Kiss. It really has been over for a long while for me. While we did catch 2 EOTR concerts and have opportunity to see more we wont.
Oh come on even the casual fan has known for decades that Peter and ace haven't been part of the band. That being said what has it been years since ace and Peter left.
If you didn’t know Peter & Ace were gone you were never a KISS “fan”.
When they left is when I stopped being a fan. Both Tommy and Eric are technically better musicians but I still preferred the original lineup.
Peter and Ace are older now, saying Tommy and Eric are better is ridiculous as well!!! Get this through your heads, Peter and Ace in their prime untouchable, and better than any of the impostors or anyone in general
Bring back Donald, and bring back Peter & Ace. The first guy's not a musician...he's a blessing...Cherish him. Cherish all of em. I do. And I don't regret it, ever. Amen.
The "Real KISS". What a slap in the face to the years without Ace & Peter the first time.
No career outside of KISS - Peter Criss!
I got to see Kiss in London at Wembley 1999, was an awesome show. 🤩
I saw them in Southern California in 1999. It was incredible.
I love Peter and Ace. I’m a long time fan! I’m also a huge Singer fan and a…soso Tommy fan. Let’s face it. Thanks largely to Covid they’ve stayed at the party way too long!!! However for the fans and band members who wanted Kiss to continue they could not do so with Ace and Peter! I do hope they find a way to involve them in the last leg of the tour. Remember Eric Singer is a great drummer and has been an active member of Kiss for MUCH longer than Peter ever was! If Eric Carr wouldn’t have passed away we likely wouldn’t know Singers name. Carr was the engine that brought the band back from obscurity!
Well said
Not so sure about no knowing Singer's name, I have Lita Ford, Alice Cooper, Badlands and Black Sabbath records he played on before he played on a Kiss record.
Kiss sucks without Ace and Peter!!!
Singer was already playing with Kiss before Carr passed. Singer also played in Paul's solo band. According to Eddie Trunk, Carr told him he expected to be replaced by Singer even before he got sick, Carr even asked Eddie to be on the lookout for bands needing a drummer.
Never ever heard anyone say that they are a.huge Tommy Thayer fan
How old is this interview ..Over 10 years old? Eddie Trunk is like 58 now
Eddie lied!
2004
Eddie Trunk will be 60 in August
Peter is a legend and deserves his spot in the band he made famous. Pay the catman!!
this interview was from 2004 so it's a tad dated....a lot has happened since then...
Saw them at the Chicago Stadium in 1977, that was the real KISS
Peter and didn’t get that that ship sailed a long time ago,Gene and Paul were not having them back under any circumstances.
I’d love to see the real kiss band back together ❤
I saw the original lineup of kiss and I also saw the first farewell tour and Tommy Thayer was in the ace frehley makeup and in my opinion they rocked
That ship has sailed 🥱
I have been a KISS fan since 1976 when I first saw them on TV. I personally think it is a kick in the teeth to Peter and Ace to have Eric and Tommy where the Cat and Spaceman make up. They could have had Eric and Tommy use their own makeup like Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent did.
Absolutely. Eric Carr and Vinnie had their own characters so why fool newer fans?
Name two cool characters they could come up with. All suggestions seem to be different animals, like this was animal planet
I agree, they created their own character and persona right? Does Gene and Paul own the rights to the likeness?
Peter and Ace could have kept the rights to their personas, but they picked the dollars instead.
Apparently Ace was a better better business man than Peter, and only rented out the rights to the “Spaceman” while Peter sold the rights to the catman.
Every era of KISS is great. The Originals are just that, The Originals. The Greatest. Time's change, people change, life goes on. Live & let live. Every member is a special part of the entire ride. Enjoy the ride. Eric & Tommy do not get enough recognition for all they've done.
Amen to that. Everyone who was in KISS contributed to the band in some way. Eric and Tommy deserve their places in KISS. Tommy earned his place in the band after several years busting his ass behind the scenes. He is still very dedicated to the band, and he is a genuinely nice guy and a class act to boot.
Ace and Peter are the guys who put Kiss on the map. The first six studio albums are the cream of the Kiss crop. I would absolutely love it if Ace and Peter would make an appearance at the final shows at Madison Square Garden.
I would agree except for the make up
@@Steve.CutlerWhy? Would you prefer they wore something different, like Vinnie Vincent? Most of the merch that has come out over the years is 99% the original lineup. As far as I am aware, both Peter and Ace's makeup is now owned by Kiss, and I'm sure there was some legal rights to them a few years back. I think it's fine with how Eric and Tommy wear the original makeup.
Sorry the new guys wouldn't here without the original guys 😢
Wow I just posted that😮
If I could still play drums for 2 minutes without losing all strength in my arms
I love kiss and peter criss and ace 😁😄😇😍🤩🤩
will they be playing to a backing track
When ACE and PETER signed away their 'Character image rights' to Gene and Paul... they should have specified in the transaction that nobody else could dress up as them in the band.
I dont believe Eric Singer has ever disrespected Peter Criss.
Eric Singer has always tipped his hat respectfully to Peter Criss and Eric Carr.
The only thing Eric Singer has done is played Peters drum chops better than Peter. He has added double bass to classics like Deuce. Technically Peter sucked as a drummer. Anton Fig was even better.
Eddie cuts Peter off. He's leading the witness. Let him talk. 2:54
There is no band kiss without Peter and ace with paul and gene. They can call the band what they want but that’s my opinion
i don't see how anyone could think or believe that the current fill ins are the original Spaceman and Catman.
Well, casual rock fans that want to see kiss as their bucket list concert. Those that only know RNRAN and DRC, and that they spit fire and smash guitars.....
When Eric Carr died, and Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer first put on the makeup, there were many who couldn't tell. I called the ones who couldn't tell, the real imposters. It's like a 14 year old girl from the city wearing a Nirvana shirt and can't name one song.
Legend There is only ONE Catman Peter Criss🥁
Nobody can take away the amazing contributions that Peter and Ace have made to KISS, but let's be real. They both left the band decades ago and gave up their partnership in the band. It has been 43 years since Peter departed and 41 since Ace quit (not counting the reunion as they were salaried and not full members). For over 40 more years Paul and Gene kept KISS going. There's no way after 40+ years Ace and Peter are going to step back into being full, equal members. It hasn't been earned. Sorry, I've loved KISS since 1975, but no...
Yep!! I feel the exact same way !!!!!
Yes but the new guys who came in copied the exact same characters, instead of creating their own like Vinnie Vincent and Eric Carr. What does that tell u?
@@krispirtsios8654 It tells me that Tommy & Eric were hired to play the Spaceman & Catman which are just characters. They aren't specifically playing Ace & Peter. Plus, it's not like it's their decision anyway. Paul & Gene want to present Kiss with the four original makeup designs and it's their band.
@@RobertoLombardiActor well I agree with u. It tells me the experiment with having no make up and new characters wasn't working out, so they resorted to going back to basics which fans loved.
@@RobertoLombardiActor Disagree. Watch Tommy do the "drunk Ace shuffle" which he never played like that in Black n Blue and, Eric looks like he goes to Peter's barber. They are playing Ace and Peter....its a half cover band. Also, as far as Gene and Paul keeping it going. I was there in the 80's and the venues were far from what they were in the height of the 1970's or what they would become in the 1996 reunion. One could ague that if Gene and Paul hung it up after Peter and Ace quit that the reunion would have been even bigger.
I get them being salaried employees, which I believe Gene and Paul wanted all along from day one but they were billed as 4 equal guys. Part of the problem with Kiss and several other bands is the misconception of "original member VS founding members". Ace and Peter are original members, we all know the story of Ace auditioning with one orange sneaker ....... you don't audition for a band if your a founding member. Same thing with Motely Crue, Mick auditioned ...Vince Neil auditioned. Nikki started Motely Crue.
Ive talked to several folks who bought end of the road tickets fully thinking that it is the originals. I had to break it to them that it was not.
I held out, hoping for the originals…. And then it all ended without them--and me.
Why is this ancient history clip being posted now? This sound clip must be from around 2004 since Eddie says he is 40 years old.
If Peter and Ace valued their makeup so much, why did they sell the legal rights to their makeup? All throughout the 1980s and 1990s, Peter and Ace said nothing about not having the rights to their own makeup. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like they didn’t have an issue with the makeup until they were no longer in Kiss.
your correct, they did sell the rights to their make up. Eddie Trunk either doesn't know, or he's a complete moron. Gene & Paul can put whoever they choose in the make-up
Ace says it's licensed to Kiss.. Which may be true, back in 2006 Ace did a commercial in the Kiss makeup.
Ace owns the rights to his makeup. They pay him to have Tommy perform with it. They screwed Peter over
So true, as much as I love Pete and Ace they took the money and allowed Eric and Tommy to use their personas.
Wow, didn't know Ace was getting paid for the use of his persona!
Paul no longer has a voice and Gene is just tired. Besides, I don't see Paul coming back. I could be wrong but, I'd really be surprised if this ever went anywhere beyond the End of the Road. It's time to bow out.
Those avatar shows will die faster than Psycho Circus. Gene and Paul have worked for years. I know they want to sit on their butts and make a gallizion a year, but it's not going to happen. I wouldn't pay $15 to go.
"to see the Cat disrespected" Is he serious? Eric Singer brings much respect to that make up. Eric plays his ass off.
It’s the same poor pity me party Peter Criss has been shilling for 40 years. Always the victim. Reunion tour, making what 40k a night. Literally taken from the “where are they now bin”. Still a victim.
Gene and Paul should have tossed Peter in 1973.
The funny thing is that Peter was absolutely fine playing alongside Tommy Thayer in Ace's make up for Symphony and the subsequent tour of 2003... just as Ace was fine playing alongside Eric Singer in Peter's make up in 2001. It's only a problem when they are out of the band and no longer getting paid that they start talking about disrespecting the make up and the original 4, etc.... both are hypocrites.
Nailed it
You hit the nail on the head. Just saw Kiss in Detroit sold out no one cared Its Paul and Gene band. These 2 walked away now need money
@@jonvisser1509 same deal... saw them in Sydney 2 weeks ago in front of about 50000, which is a massive audience for Sydney, and no one cared about anything other than just being entertained and having a great time 👌
Bingo !! Not sure didn't peter also sell the rights to the cat man make up back to gene and Paul ?
@@Joseph-xp3hh he did
I'm a staff sergeant in the Kiss Army. I'm thinking it may be time to ride off into the sunset. Maybe a final concert... in Cadillac Michigan.
Durante el evento de "rnr hall of fame", quedó muy claro. Gene y Paul prefirieron No tocar con ellos. Tuvieron la oportunidad y la verdad es que dolió mucho no verlos rockeando😢
That's false. All four were angry at the rnr hall of fame because it took so long to be inducted. Mostly Paul and Gene had bruised egos, as usual.
Why are Peter & Ace not playing together? Either in the past or currently?
I listened to Kiss when they first came out. I never really cared for them after Peter and Ace left. It wasn't Kiss anymore.
If you owned half the company and maintained it for 40 years, would you just arbitrarily give up half of it to someone who left 40 years ago?
We’ll said
Especially when they were selling out stadiums and replacing them with guys they are paying chump change!
Exactly. When Ace and Peter came back, they were employees. Why would they have equal say? No different than Don Henley and Glenn Frey calling the shots when the Eagles got back together.
Do you think Deep Purple would only pay Richie Blackmore 10k a show, if they had him rejoin the band?
Ace Frehley is to Kiss what Keith Richards is to the rolling stones.
Judas Priest without Glen Tipton & KK Downing is just the Rob Halford band.
But Ace is even more than KK. Because he's in the top 100 greatest guitar players of all time. Tommy Square isn't even in the top 5000. 13 songs on their End Of The Road Show feature Ace Frehley's lead guitar lines and several of his original songs.
Gene has a Net Worth of 400m Paul has a Net Worth of 240m It sure wouldn't hurt them to pay the original missing members 25% each on one tour now would it? Peter wrote and recorded their highest charting hit. & again, Ace is in the top 100 greatest rock guitar players of all time.
@@thebluesrockers But, you are missing the elephant in the room. Kiss has no problem at all selling out stadiums without both of them. Why pay either of them 25% each when you can pay someone else 10K a show. They ABSOLUTELY don't need either of them. Why bother?
Holy crap thats me who called in
Believe me, when Eric Singer starts playing drums at the show, people know that it's not Peter Criss playing. World of difference.
SOOOOOO TRUE!!!!
If it bothered you so much about "YOUR" make up ... then you shouldn't have sold the design to Gene and Paul then ...
When is this from?
Gene, Paul, Peter and Ace is real Kiss. Please bring us!
Eddie,really? 39?? Haha! Hey Eddie,for Peter,how much time has Ace and Peter been hanging out together and just jamming,staying sharp just in case?
I don't see Eric or Tommy disrespecting Peter and Ace by wearing the makeup. Peter sold his rights and Ace licensed it to Kiss. It was Eric that got the whole reunions started by wanting to see Peter play with Gene and Paul at the unplugged events. In the end Eric and Tommy are just hired Guns to play a part. I don't fault them for taking advantage of an opportunity unless they are actually signing their names to Ace and Peter's likenesses (not makeup) . I blame Gene and Paul for continuing to "cash in" .
only 23 days left and the univesre will know if there will be one last reunion of these 4 giants that gave us kiddies so much joy only to find out later as adults tha it's all about 'dirty livin'. What a legacy.
The only way that I would pay to see kiss now as if Ace and Peter both came back and stood front and center and Peter played air drums and Ace played air guitar! I don't want Paul to feel bad
Best comment ever
As someone whose always struggling financially, I lost any admiration for Peter when I read him complaining in his book that he was only earning $40,000 PER NIGHT. I’m sorry, but I’d give my right arm forty grand a night.
As if this would ever happen…Paul and Gene are hitting 80 years old! Peter could barely lift his sticks at the last reunion tour. And NOBODY would ever confuse Tommy and Eric as Peter and Ace. The current lineup has been together twice as long as the original lineup. Peter and Ace are great memories but they just don’t have to chops anymore.
it's not always about having the chops- with Kiss it is a band where people really care about specific members. People just really love to see the original lineup
And Paul does?
Peter can still do 2 concerts hes not that weak. Ace goes without saying he's fine.
@@r613-v7yAce can’t play That well now. I just saw him within the last year and he had two other guitarists with him and was as sloppy as hell. I felt ripped off because he barely went through the motions. Peter could barely play 20 years ago and he is older than the others
You are 100% correct...none of them have the chops
Ace & Peter Should Be There 2 Songs for Them Would Mean Alot
When was it?
Ace created the Logo..I wish he would of trademarked it by himself from the get go
He was never that Bright
@@mrski749 Ace just never cared.
I am a big KISS fan and I won't go see them with someone else wearing Ace and Peters makeup
Stay home then.. Other people will gladly take your spot at concerts 😂 You need to accept that change had to be made at the faults of Peter and Ace. Those two were very undisciplined and couldn't stay sober..The fans were complaining about the shows that they were screwing up and wanted their money back. Ace's and Peter's habits caused way too much havoc during tours..There were times during concerts that Ace was too messed up to play guitar so they unplugged his guitar from the amps and Tommy Thayer was playing his part backstage unseen. Several times Paul had to tell Peter to speed up his tempo because he was lagging behind. Paul said it was embarrassing because both Peter and Ace are supposed to be professionals and we're not performing like it. Gene said he gave them WAY too many changes to straighten up and they didn't.
It's funny how Paul and gene had both said in interviews that they took off the make up in 83 because the new guys in the band their personas didn't work and they weren't gonna use personas they knew already on two different guys and it wasn't working with personas that were not heartfelt,so they took off the make up in 83 after the South American tour and unveiled themselves unmasked just when Lick it up would be dropped and would not return in make up until 1996 when they reunited with Ace and Peter. I'm at the point where I just don't believe a word they say anymore.
@@russellj.s.257 It's funny to me that I got into KISS when I was 12 in like 1993. I was watching the videos, KISS Konfidential, X-Treme Close Up, etc. And I was sad I'd never see KISS in make up. Now I'm 42, and I'm sad I'll never see KISS without the make up! Hahaha. I guess if I pay for the KISS Kruise, but I can't afford that.
You have to wrap your head around before the unmasking the public didn’t know what they looked like. Everybody wanted just to see their faces. It’s the best gimmick in music history. On the reunion the mystique was missing for me. I loved it the first time.
Lived it.
Peter Criss wakes up everyday and regrets selling his "Catman" likeness/trademark to KISS. Now his digital avatar is going to haunt him for the rest of his life performing in concerts, video games, and movies.
There's only one Cat Man it's Peter Criss
what shows this summer? this video is 3 weeks old but this is not recorded 3 weeks ago. what shows this summer? makes no sense to me.
Hes nearly 80 now lol
Saw Kiss in 1976 and 2019…both versions were great
Sadly, the thing stopping this is money. Gene and Paul know dam well how ticket sales would jump if ace and peter got back up on stage with them. The problem is gene and paul want to pay them like hired hands. I wouldnt settle for less than equal share too.
Exactly
Gene and Paul also know the quality would be awful. Ace and Peter can't play.
Then he will never play in kISS again and I think Gene and Paul are just fine with that.
Let’s be honest for a sec. After the initial blow out in the 70s and the reunion drama, why would Paul and Gene want to revisit the Criss/Frehley drama? Both guys earned millions on the reunion and still created problems.
BTW….Criss sold the rights to “his” makeup. That’s how much he thought of it. Spare me his revisionist history.
I thought that Peter and Ace both sold the rights of their Catman and Spaceman personages to Gene and Paul? Which is something that I would have never done if I were in their shoes. I mean, what did they think was going to happen?
They thought they'd get income from selling products with their makeup, they didn't think they'd put different people in the makeup.
Nothing stays the same…..
Ace and Peter still rock.
yes they do
I saw Ace a year ago and it was awesome.
i hope to see ace live some day@@MetalSalvation
Do they tho? I guess Peter rocks, when hes in a rocking chair. Ace has sounded tragic in a lot of recent shows
that is your open @@michaelracicot233
No solo rock album please peter
I would love to see Ace and Peter do a hard rocking album that would blow the other guys out of the water!
Sorry meant to say I want another peter criss solo album please peter
Ever wonder why Ace has never asked Peter to play in his band?
@@magneto7930 -- Ace and Peter are not capable.
@@dvg4104 oh I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. I'm sure they could put an album out like that, but playing live is a different story. With an album there's a lot of things that you can do to make it sound perfect beyond your capabilities. I just don't see it happening unless somebody offers them an outrageous amount of money to do it.
Why would KISS bring back Peter or Ace? They were selling out stadiums and only paying chump change to replace both Peter and Ace. Sorry Peter and Ace, the two of you were train wrecks in your youth and ya'll are paying the consequences of your bad decisions while both Gene and Paul are worth hundreds of millions!
Nonsense. No one knows who Ace and Peter are. Tommys been in the band for 20+ years now
Let him play the last shows on NYC, he's almost 80 and who knows how long he has
1) In the 70's Peter was a rock star. 2) Peter has never actually been a musician, at least not a serious one. Peter has no one to blame but himself for not being in the band. When reunited in 1996, it was glaringly obvious that Peter's skills had dramatically diminished. At the height of his career in the late 70's he was an incredible player. If he had dedicated himself to becoming better, to learning new skills behind the set, working on his rudiments, etc. Given who he was, you don't think he couldn't have called up people like Neil Peart, Alx Van Halen, or players like Cozy Powell and began to learn from them? Not because of any potential for a reunion down the road, but to simply become the best he could possibly be if the opportunity to reboot his career ever materialized. I can guarantee if he had done that, and if he would have had a grateful attitude, he would still be with the band today.
This was 19 years ago
Eric Carr has always been my favorite KISS drummer. With that being said Peter is an icon and of course the original. For all the controversy and split opinions that surround KISS I think there biggest mistake was not giving Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer there own makeup and identity in the band, fans will always have there favorite members but i think alot of fans would have been less critical if they weren't dressed up as former members, they gave Eric Carr and Vinnie Vincent there own image and they should have for Eric Singer and Tommy aswell. To me that's the moment KISS went from an ever evolving active band to a greatest hits act.
100%
Tour ends in December. Trunk as usual trying to take shots at current KISS. Get over yourself Eddie. You're a gnat to Gene and Paul.
Does Michael Keaton post daily on Twitter, 'That is not me, it's Christian Bale.'? No, of course not.
KISS morphed from a rock band to a stage production years ago, and many people did not notice.
If it wasn’t for the internet I would have never known that he didn’t play the drums on albums that featured his photo.
Did Peter and Ace sell their rights to the make up?????
A once only show would be cool, but we all know that quickly the milk would turn sour on tour.
One setlist, once, record it.
Peter is 77 years old and he has said multiple times that he couldnt physically play multiple shows.
do there touring this summer anyone know - i thought they was done
Peter always says he would do anything for Ace but the truth is Ace only cares about himself. He has no loyalty to Peter.
Drug addicts and drunks are like that.
Not trying to sound like an A-HOLE but just my opinion,Singer and Thayer may very well be great musicians in their own right but to go out there potraying the Space Man and the Catman,the band seems pretty much like its half tribute band of their own band..Also whats pretty lame is that even though Ace and Peter were the originals,Paul and Gene own the rights to those characters..From a business perspective it may be to their benefit but it also shows how greedy and cutthroat they are as well
No Criss, no kiss. But he should never have allowed the sale of his intellectual property
How old is this interview?
18 years
Purrrr!!!!!!
Neither Peter and Ace own the rights to the makeup, not to mention that Paul and Gene were the ones in the trenches for all those years and kept the band going. If they don't want to show up for the final show it's on them and their selfishness.
The original kiss started it, the original kiss should end it.
Peter talks about being hurt by Eric wearing the cat makeup but didn’t Peter sell the makeup rights over to Gene and Paul?
If i owned a company that wouldnt Exist without those former people would u give them equal say i would
Peter Criss your the best damm musician of the century.
"I never say never.... But you never know" 😂
Peter beeing Peter ..........
We Love you, Catman!!!!! No substitutes....
Another “reunion” will never happen. He MIGHT sing Beth at the final show, but it’s doubtful.
Telling KISS the only way you'll play with them again is like me saying the only way I'd sleep with Kristin Bell is if Mila Kunis, Barbara Eden, and Jenna Haze could join. 2 of them are retired and nobody invited me anyway.
Peter doing what he does best...he lied about thinking he was a rock star...that is why he left the band. He felt like he was the star. That was not a secret. I lost all respect for him when he destroyed the reunion tour. And then he bitched endlessly. And who are these idiots talking with Peter...NOBODY who follows KISS (and is not under 6 years old...knows Petyer has been gone for years. hell just watch Eric play...blows Peter away!
Maybe Gene and Paul will spin it as, 'the 'End of the Road Tour', was wrap up for the current lineup up Kiss. We are now going to tour the world, senior citizen homes and all, with Ace and Peter'. It won't happen..but at tje same time, it wouldn't shock me. It wouldn't be the first time that they used sketchy wording to get out of supposed tour commitments. I say the odds of an original lineup reunion are about the same as Paul announcing that he has decided to finally come out of the closet.
The end of the wheelchair tour😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
the only way i see the original line up getting back together is if james dolan offers them an insane amount of money to play the sphere in vegas
Peter and Ace sold their rights to the makeup!!!!!
Eric Singer does that "Catman" Justice. I think Eric Singer has been the best drummer of Kiss by far. He always appears to be enjoying him self up on that perch. The reunion tour was nice for a one time thing don't get me wrong. But the best Kiss is the final Kiss. It really has been over for a long while for me. While we did catch 2 EOTR concerts and have opportunity to see more we wont.
NO ACE/PETER...NO KISS PEOPLE
'Dawn' the cat man makeup?
Noo Yawk
@@dvg4104 AWK!
"I would do a reunion tour if..."
........ they asked?
Oh come on even the casual fan has known for decades that Peter and ace haven't been part of the band. That being said what has it been years since ace and Peter left.
❤ Peter Criss and Ace Frehley are KISS ❤
Cold gin new groove🎧🦋🥂🎂✌🏻🎸🎸🎸🥁🥁🥁🥁🌙✨💋
This is 10 years old
Try 18
Peter Criss IS KISS!! His Playing Defines The Classic KISS Sound! The same goes for his lead vocals and background vocals!
Peter IS KISS!!
🥁⭐️🥁
Drummers are a dime a dozen. Criss is the least important member. Hate to break it to ya.
@@daveb8449 Not When it comes to KISS!
Peter Makes The Band Sound The Away It Does! Also, Peter Has That Magical Voice!!
O.K. Peter. Whatever you say.@@REMBRANTTUBE
YEAH HE WAS GREAT ON CREATURES ALBUM AND REVENGE AND HOT IN DA SHADE LIK IT UP 😂