Star Wars Shatterpoint: Episode five
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2023
- This week we have General Grievous and Maul vs Luminara and Darth Vader. Can Vaders might crush this droid uprising? Will the speed be too much for them to deal with?
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in love with that colorful droid crew!
Don loves his alt colors. Thanks for watching!
-Joe
Looking forward to seeing more of the new squads being put on the table. Thanks for another fun bat rep!
There will be for sure -Don
I enjoy your Shatterpoint batreps a lot, thank you for sharing!
Thank you for watching!
-Joe
thanks for the clarification on the wound/injury mechanics! it makes a lot more sense now :)
Anytime! Thank you for asking a question that got us to do some more rules intro :)
-Joe
love seeing the commandos still miffed that they aren't in legion. Thanks for the bat rep. one shot jedi can hurt
I would not be surprised to see them in a future release :)
-Joe
@@graysquadrongaming8670 I'm sure they will, eventually just have wanted them forever (loved the video game)
Thanks for making these. Its great to see how other people are enjoying the game.
Your welcome! -Don
With every SP BR I watch from you guys makes me want to get started more and more this game looks like a lot of fun
It's a lot of fun! -Don
SNIPER Kalani with that one shot one kill! Fun match, thanks for sharing!
Right -Don
No spoilers, but Don rolled so hot that Joe had to hit the bar and have One Shot after another.
Yeah for sure -Don
All those one shots made this game quite the bloodbath.
Thanks for watching-Don
ONE more SHOT at that give away!
Good luck! Thanks for watching!
-Joe
Great, instructive batrep. Really dig that you guys illustrate so much. Something worth noting, when Maul attacked the Commandos, he's attacking a single character, so the shove is resolved against only one. They were wounded, so it wasn't as important for control, but it could impact later turns.
Your correct about the commandos-Don
Your correct about the commandos-Don
Congrats don! Glad to see you take it!
He played it very well. Thanks for watching!
-Joe
The fact that a team with 4 force users was unable to push a single magna guard off of a roof or one shot him was a bit silly. Btw congrats on your first ever win Don!
Thanks it was nice -Don
Another great Shatterpoint video, thanks guys!
Thanks for watching-Don
You guys are doing a great job with the shatter point videos. Great paint jobs Don!
Thanks I figure that when I paint alt schemes they don't have to be as good haha -Don
So many one shots in round 1!
It was a good match. Thanks for watching!
-Joe
@15:35 the pin would stop one of the magnas advances but not both- same with a disarm or an exposed defense roll- assuming the attacks are in succession against the unit.
You are correct! Thanks for watching!
-Joe
sick table set-up!
Thank you!
-Joe
Great game guys, one-shots galore! I'm interested in seeing Savage on the table because I believe he could also dish out some good one-shot action.
He will for sure. Thanks for watching!
-Joe
Really enjoying your BR, I might have to buy a copy of this game 😂😂😂
Thank you very much! It’s a fun game for sure!
-Joe
Great video guys, happy to be liking this game way more than what I thought I would!
It has a great flow when you get used to it -Don
What a great game. Crazy dice leading to some one-shots of tough characters. And Vader+Luminara is really powerful. An unexpected, but really good synergy.
There is one thing I noticed in Struggle 2 and it may have also happened in Struggle 3. It didn’t have an impact on this game, but could down the line. If you don’t actually move the Struggle Token(cube), you do not gain a Momentum for it remaining on your opponent’s side.
But, congratulations to Don. A victory well earned.
I did not know that, but we will keep an eye on it -Don
I like how you show the stance cards and walk through the attack results. So we can see the Jump on 4 when Don says “there’s no Jump” during GG’s attack.
Yeah, we try to make sure viewers who are else's familiar with the game can follow along haha -Don
Really enjoying the Shatterpoint content, great batreps!
Thanks we try-D0n
This game really does look fun! Great content guys!
Thank you very much!
-Joe
The first Don victory in a while I think, it was glorious! I am really enjoying the shatter point content and am probably going to join in the fun when more empire stuff comes out!
Yeah very soon we will get more empire -Don
Great game, I love the Luminarra & Barriss set. They are such fun characters to play with.
They are fun for sure -Don
Peeking using flow is so good!!!
Completely forgets it does other things. Injured the magna you could dash.
Commandos got injured would get to heal 3 times. Lets say vader.
When injured (commandos) costs force to use coordinated fire.
I didn use the heal a couple times. Issues was I don’t have any wounds to heal when it could have happened due to him one shooting anything. Thanks for watching!
-Joe
Another upload in the middle of the week and it's a game of Shatterpoint? ❤ Glad this series hasn't become a "One Shot" like how it's looking for the Marvel Crisis Protocol series. Glad Don was able to steal Joe's dice rolling ability for once. Totally agree with the thoughts about the 501st: not only is their stance card not great, in a game that has so much melee and is all about moving close to the control points, having one ability out of three rely on Hunker Tokens makes them very situational. Thanks for another great video!
More Marvel will be coming! Just been busy with legion and the shatter launch! But if I had to say the channel is legion as the main and shatter as the secondary… then marvel as a third from time to time :) thanks for watching!
-Joe
In a game supposedly designed so your characters don't get one-shot..... There was a lot of one-shotting going on lol that's also my unfortunate about the state of the 501st. One of the owners of my FLGS refers to them as the 50Worst
Dice had a bit to do with that… but unlike some other games the come right back the next time they activate so not dead at least :) thanks for watching!
-Joe
All those one shots and still no one died completely… a very interesting game!
Thanks for watching-Don
Good game, happy to see Shatterpoint content
Thanks for watching-Don
Love the Shatterpoint content along with Legion. Makes for some nice variety as these games are so different to play and watch.
Here's hoping they go crazier and crazier with game. I want me some Old Republic representation! Its never going to happen, but I can dream
It's possible-Don
Love this game!
Thanks it was a fun one -Do
great video thanks!!
Thanks for watching-Don
Vader looks great! Looking forward to more Shatterpoint!
Once we are back from gencon we will for sure get to filming more! Thanks for watching!
-Joe
neat set up way to go!
Thanks for watching-Don
Awesome match, some hot one-shot dice! Finally, getting my copy the weekend after a long wait from our supplier.
It's a fun game for sure! -Don
Loving all the shatterpoint battle reports!
Thanks they are fun to do -Don
Loving the content
Thanks! -Don
Such a beast of both lists!! Have been a nice latch
Thanks for watching-Don
Love these Shatterpoint bat reps. Hopefully this Shatterpoint isn’t a one shot series.
Episode 5...usually doesn't indicate a one shot...many more to come -Don
Cool to see new stuff get used
Yeah it's fun -Don
Cool, seeing some Shatterpoint action.
Yeah it was fun -Don
I am really hyped to try this game out! All of the one shot kills in this game were crazy!
Yeah shatterpoint is fun -Don
Great game and end to the spring cup. I'm still surprised that Dark Troopers didn't win it all!
They tried -Don
Shatterpoint looks interesting. Thanks for the BR!
It's a fun one -Don
Shatter point looks pretty interesting, loving the sculpts on the models.
Yeah the models are amazing -Don
Keep the Shatterpoint stuff coming! Cannot wait to snag me a core set (currently, playing with a friend's copy, but who doesn't want their own set?) after I finish up my current projects.
Maybe you will be the lucky winner! -Don
Don with the one shot hits was on fire! This looks like such a fun game, though neither my wallet nor wife would appreciate starting another game like this.
What she doesn't know won't hurt haha -Don
@@graysquadrongaming8670 That, sir, is a tissue of lies! She *always* knows! LOL
Loving the Shatterpoint content! Keep it up!
Btw, ‘tactical network’ lets you dash, then hunker OR make a 5 die attack. So the Magnaguard could have smacked Bariss early on
Also, active and reactive abilities are considered to have a force cost even if it’s not show. So, coordinated fire on the clones would cost a force point to use once they become wounded
Thanks for letting us know -Don
Very cool.
Thanks for watching-Don
A really cool one-shot game that was fun to watch! I'll admit, I was kind of hoping to see the salt crown come out there near the end.
Yeah it was deserved -don
Hi again!
I said this once before, but I'm noticing it again - I really enjoy your presentation style and, especially, the effort you are clealy putting into helping viewers learn the rules of the game. I wish more channels would take this approach.
Because you are putting an emphasis on teaching, I wanted to mention a few rules errors and other points that could lead to confusion for anyone following along. I hope you take these in the intended spirit, which is to do just a small part of my own to help teach people the game along with you (gotta live through others such as yourselves as I do not have a channel of my own!).
- The first is very minor, and you even corrected for it as you played, and that is that the first time you used Vader's Identity, you only added two dice to the attack roll. As you showed later, it's three dice. Like I said, minor.
- When you used the 501st first defensive maneuver, you applied two hunker tokens to the unit. It is only one token, even if they both dashed.
- Coordinated fire is applied before any dice are rolled. This is important for several reasons, all tied to the fact that you don't know what your results are at that point. You don't have the knowledge of which effects you may be applying as part of the Combat Tree, so you don't get to see if there is a benefit to using Coordinated Fire, and, importantly, if you have multiple units capable of applying CF, you have to pick one, and as you don't know what the tree is applying yet, you may not be sure which CF to use, so you have to make a choice first. Also, as CF starts to cost Force after being Wounded, you have to decide if it is worth spending the Force before seeing the results of the Tree, not wait until afterward to see if maybe you can double up a status to do that one final damage. I know in this game it may not have mattered, but it's always good to form good habits so that when it does matter, the correct rules are applied. Bottom line, after you have rolled dice, it is too late to apply CF.
- I noticed you doing thing that a TON of people get wrong in UA-cam battle reports. You used bases AS measuring devices, which is a no no. You don't get to put down a range tool and a movement tool and then put the base between them, adjusting where you want to land after seeing where a character's base would be. That is using the base as a measuring device, which is not allowed. You can put the range and movement tools both out, but not the base. This becomes important when you are not sure, for example, if you will make it to a spot like an ingress point. Imagine you are seeing if you can get there. You put down the movement tool. You put a 1 Range by the ingress. There is a gap between them that you THINK might be short enough for the base of the moving character to fill and make it to the ingress. Then you put the base down and see that you estimated incorrectly and don't make it to the ingress. You are now stuck there at the end of the movement tool because you cannot use the base to measure, so if you try to take the move back, it means you have measured the gap with the base, which is against the rules.
- When Vader fought Grievous and Shoved him, you indicated that you only pushed him back a slight bit. Pushes and Pulls are not variable distance. You must go the full distance, which is 1 in this case.
- Speaking of Shoves, these last few things are really just about terminonogly, which is important to get right when trying to teach or learn new games:
1. The thing that happens on Combat Trees to make little Range 1 moves is called a Shove, not a Push. This is important because it's super easy to forget that the attacker can Pull after Pushing the target if you just call a Shove a Push. By using the proper term, Shove, it reminds the player that a Shove is both a Push and a Pull, not just a Push. It's subtle, I suppose, but there we go. :)
2. There are no "hits" in the game. The rules contain the word "hit" exactly three times, and they are all in reference to the Hit and Run abilty. A new player looking through the rulebook may wonder what they are missing as they won't be able to find the rules for hits.There are strikes and crits. Now, I suppose in our minds we can think of both of these as "hits" if we want, but it still trains us to use the wrong term for them, plus it leads to uneccessary questions. Like "I got five hits," says the attacker. "Ok," says the defender, "how may are strikes and how many are crits, so I know how many of these 'hits' I can block?" Calling strikes hits takes away from learning.
So, that's that!
Thanks again for sharing your games and teaching people as you go. Hopefully these comments are taken well. I certainly don't mean to offend.
We know about the hunker tokens, I even stated I put them next to the mini and not just the card so people can see it better. As for the base once placed and not allowed to move it more or less based on the template is interesting. Even my multiple demos with AMG they did this. So will check rules book on that.
Having to shove the whole distance is new to us to so will double check that. As for saying hits that’s cause in every other game we play that’s what they are called. But we do show the tree and how to move through it so we know it’s not hits. Thanks for watching!
-Joe
@@graysquadrongaming8670
Okedoke! Not fussin'. The double hunker I noticed was the very first one for the 501st. I know in later examples you for sure mentioned putting the token on the table for clarity, but in that first one (around 13:05) you put out two tokens (as opposed to the single token in later instances) and one of you even commented "going to each take a hunker."
Kind of a bummer on AMG folks not applying their own rules about measurements with anything other than the range and movement tools. I don't really blame them, though, as I'm sure the game went through a bunch of rewrites, and it could *easily* be left over stuff from changed rules.
Regardless, as I said, these videos are much appreciated. Lots to watch. Lots to learn. Lots of fun!
Thanks again.
Thanks for the info and for watching!
This is such a great game and the models are badass
Yeah they have great sculpts and it's a fun game -Don
@@graysquadrongaming8670 I’m hoping to pick one up soon.
That was a heck of a struggle 1 with all the one shot 'ing units.
A few points, kalanis tactical network is a dash and then a hunker, heal or attack. Griveous should have triggered the magna guard next to him to dash and slap vader on 1st struggle.
As far as I know, target concentrate all firepower triggers on melee attacks too so those magnaguards should have had an extra hit dice.
Congrats on the first win Don!
Thanks it was nice -Don
Don, for your consideration at 15:57 you could started with the move action to take the pin off with the manga guard up top,have the other one move then take cover to move and get a hunker.
That’s a long way to say pin only effects one character move and I think it may help you in the future.
Yeah for sure thank you ! -Don
I like how you can have units of different factions in a list. So that you aren't locked to one faction when you get into the game.
Yeah just Era locked per squad -Don
FYI, coordinate fire costs a force once the commandos are wounded
We know, that's why Joe didn't use it -Don
Good job Don!
Oh yeah, one shot!
Haha thanks! -Don
one shot for the smoking dice.
Yeah they were hot -Don
congrats on the win Don. love seeing you one shot a couple of Joe guys for a change. maybe Joe should of worn the salt crown
He probably should have -Don
Nice tokens!
They are very nice -Don
that game looks fun. 😀
Thanks for watching-Don
One shot Joe lol. This time being a one hit wonder was a good thing lol
Thanks for watching-Don
Ah working now👍
Glad to hear it...see what I did there...haha -Don
Really enjoy the battle reports guys. Just thought its worth pointing out that struggle tracker you're using has 2 extra slots on either side. You should start the game with a momentum cube on the 8th slot from the center.
We will have to look at that -Do
Lol, we have been playing hard mode… will fox that! Thanks!
-Joe
Coordinated Fire must be used before dice is rolled. The reason is that the effect may be on the combat tree. Perhaps you guys did that and I just didn’t see due to editing and nature of watching on UA-cam.😊
We did, but I can call that out better on camera for sure! Thanks for watching!
-Joe
Great game! Not sure if anyone else commented on this yet, but when a Clone unit is wounded, does it not now cost a force to use their coordinated fire ability? I believe that was missed on an attack that happened right after the Commandos got wounded. Thanks for walking through the cards, rules, etc throughout the match!
Correct, it does have a force cost to add it in. I was using the 501st one most of the game since the commandos went down early. Thanks!
-Joe
What did you think of Luminara and Bariss? Do they work well together, or would they be better with other combinations?
Hard to say after only one match, but I think they both have some good play for sure. Thanks for watching!
-Joe
I would take B2s over B1s simply to counter anyone that tries to contest an objective. Use Kraken's tactical network to have them dash then make an attack - THEN - spend a force for saturation fire and now you're throwing 7 dice into someone lol
Yeah I kinda like the b2s as well -Don
It hurts so much in shatterpoint when your pieces get one shot... Its almost a design thing i guess? Attacks are so deadly generally in shatterpoint, but I guess I'd be a salty Joe if my defence dice just aborted for a game... - Daan D
Not usually that crazy...the dice were nuts -Don
Damn I could use a core box
Good luck and thanks for watching!
-Joe
Joe needs to go get some tequila and have one shot after another to get rid of some salt😂😂. Don rolling some hot dice!!
Yeah they were fire -Don
@@graysquadrongaming8670 really were, but as I said to Joe a week or so ago on an FB post, you were due a hot streak!!!
Going to be hard to say no to jumping into shatterpoint once Hondo gets released
Yeah right -Don
Don, getting in melee with the Magna Guard to drop the hunker on the terrorist at the start was brilliant.
Haha sometimes it just works -Don
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@@graysquadrongaming8670 great. How do I find you on discord?
This game is starting to have me interesting.... I'm just so afraid to paint them cause I know I will make them look terrible.
That's never a good reason not to play! My painting is real.bad but I still make the attempt -Don
So are the droids shatter points answer to blizzard force in legion? That free move is crazy
Yeah droids have a big advantage -Don
Now that you guys have a few games under your belts; how do you feel this game would play with more traditional terrain?
Would it work well on your desert city board?
Will it work ok with flatter boards? Or does it really need the verticality to be interesting?
Just curious. 🙂
I think the terrain can be flexable, the problem comes to base size and bases not being able to overhang, so even out tattooine map would be a struggle because the bases don't fit well. -D0n
@@graysquadrongaming8670Oh. That's a shame. 😕
I just realized that you did a mistake in your intro text: You call Grievous as Darth Grievous, which is wrong, since Darth are title given to sith. Grievous is a general, so the correct appelation should be General Grievous.
That is correct he is not Darth and that is a mistake. Thanks for watching!
-Joe
I was trying to follow but may have missed it, how do you enter into the core box giveaway thing?
Just comment on the videos -Don
Vader and Obiwan on tbe same team, turned off at that point. More legion please.
That’s what’s fun about shatterpoint you can mix units up if you would like. It’s a fun game. More legion is always coming. We just dropped two episodes in the past week.
Friendly Vader?? Did i miss something? 🤔
Sometimes even Vader can be friendly haha
@graysquadrongaming8670 Ahh, house rules. Fair enough. I'm new to shatterpoint, still painting, so I'm absorbing as many play videos to understand the game.
We don’t use any house rules on our videos. All official. Thanks for watching!
-Joe
@graysquadrongaming8670 Ok, thanks for the info 👍
How was Kalani able to see Barris @10:16? Was her base wider than the tower?
Line of sight in this game is more 2d then 3d so she could be seen from the ground-Don
For sure, but if the top part of the tower was higher than range 2 of her, it would've been considered the same elevation and higher than her, blocking los entirely. I don't have the high ground pack, so I don't know if that part is actually taller than range 2
@@graysquadrongaming8670
On shot salty joe
Love me some salty Joe-Don
Both times I've tried Shatterpoint the games have been so one sided. It is hard to recover once your opponent starts slapping condition after condition on your characters. Crossing my fingers we get some Republic Commandos for Legion soon.
Yeah shatter point is getting all the fun things, but has a lot more room for balance to work with then legion -Don
Really hope AMG not leave out Legion to concentrate on Shatterpoint. The battle just ain’t as epic.
They are not, they got more to show at the event next month! Shatterpoint is more like a skirmish and legion more like an army level :) thanks for watching!
-Joe
@@graysquadrongaming8670 oh now this sounds interesting, I really hope they have, wonder what it could be. Hope it’s new army for rebels and new Leia and solo models in echo base outfits.
How do you enter to win
Just comment on the video! So your entered! -Don
hold up, you tac network a magna guard into melee and dont give it a 5 dice attack?? then shoot barriss with kalani who i mean come on definitely does not have LoS. well not from the camera angle you show.
5 dice attack from magna, hope you push barriss off then blast her with kalani shooting which you would more likely have LoS on her
Can’t recall the 5 dice attack part, but he 100% had Los onto barriss. Thanks for watching!
-Joe
There is no sound🤦♂️
Should be working -Don