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- This week Gary and Iain review and discuss, Manhunter (1986) by Director, Michael Mann. Starring, William Petersen, Tom Noonan and Joan Allen.
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I am thrilled you guys are discussing this masterpiece which I was privileged to see opening night at the Chinese Theater in Hollywood in 1986 as big Michael Mann fan at the time, an incredible experience I will never forget! Delighted to have it on VHS, DVD Special Edition & now remastered on Blu-ray which really looks fantastic, I found Brian Cox's Hannibal better than Anthony Hopkins role as amazing as it is.
The brutal irony of Dollarhyde's psychopathy is that he yearned to be seen in his victim's eyes, yet the only person who ever embraced and showed affection for him, even for a short amount of time, was a blind woman.
@@UA-cam-tied well said
I prefer Brian Cox's Lektor too. But then again, I just love that guy's work and personality anyway.
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Great review guys!
Brian Cox is criminally underrated and really was a great Lector.
I saw this movie in college during its theatrical release and I was mesmerized by the performances and the films attention to detail. William Peterson was coming off the equally brilliant To Live And Die In LA, and his performance is light years ahead of Ed Norton's surprisingly uninspired take on the Will Graham character. Silence of the Lambs gets all the pub, but this film is simply better in every way, shape, and form. Brian Cox plays Lector as a living, breathing human being whereas Hopkins' Lector is a cartoon character living in a cartoonish correctional facility. In terms of menacing characters, there is no viable comparison between Buffalo Bill and the Tooth Fairy. Tom Noonan oozes danger on both an emotional and physical (e.g., Noonan is 6'7") level whereas the Buffalo Bill character is depicted as being odd, unstable, and reclusive. I'm not a big fan of Top 10 lists, but I would rank Manhunter as 1 of my Top 10 favorite films.
I agree with damn near everything you said, including it almost breaching my top 10 if not making it in there. Buffalo Bill scared the shit out of me as a kid, that character was the creepiest and scariest to me.
My favorite scene is Graham watching the videos and realizing Tooth Fairy had seen the videos. Really well done. "You've seen these, haven't you!"
Tom Noonan is the greatest actor to never really break out as a major star. He's amazing and turns up in lots of my favorite films. Also Brian Cox as Hannibal is an amazing performance, they should have had him in a few more scenes and we'd have never seen Hopkins in that role years later.
You guys should review " The Pledge " with Jack Nicholson.
Amazing movie
I appreciate the Like.
The Pledge would be a great movie to see reviewed or even " At Close Range " with Sean Penn..
I'm a big fan , I always recommend your show to friend that will actually appreciate it for what it is. ( which is a smart / fact based analysis with honest commentary.)
Thanks for keeping us all entertained during this worldwide nonsense.
The pledge is brutal. That ending is so sad. We all know he was right but the people around him thought he was crazy. The pledge is really a hidden gem. The way it's been shot is amazing as well
Btw Noonan is indeed a very good actor. I think he also has a short role in the movie heat. Even if you don't see him his voice is so recognizable..underrated actor indeed.. In the making of manhunter he explains how he approached his role in manhunter. Nobody of the cast got to see him until they meet him in the movie for the first time to get a more realistic reaction out of the other actors
One of my all time favorites. Perfect soundtrack.
Great movie. Best line. Will: 'this was someone abused as a child. Someone took a child and turned them into a monster'.
Cop: 'Sounds like you feel sorry for him'. Will: 'For the child my heart weeps; as for the adult....someone needs to blow him out of his fucking socks!'
Iron Butterfly's "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" is one of the most sinister-sounding "love songs" of all time. It's creepy, transgressional grandeur was used to perfection in the climactic scene of _Manhunter._
Michael Mann was corresponding with dennis wayne wallace an actual serial killer that told him the Iron Butterfly track spiritually connected him with the women he murdered so Mann added it hahahaha how much more creepy is that eh ?
Year of the Dragon is underrated and overlooked.
That’s a great film
John Lone is excellent there, he also was one of the strongest parts of The Shadow, too bad that his filmography here in the west was not very extensive.
@@Sealdeam I agree. A great actor
I love the shadow used to watch as a kid all the time
Year of the Dragon was excellent. Strong performances by Mickey Rourke as Stanley White and John Lone as Joey Tai.
@@milesbalogh it had some bad effects that somewhat date the movie but it was such a fun ride, it is sad that like most of the pulp / noir era hero movies (The Phantom, Rocketeer) The Shadow was not a big hit; to this day I still think Alec Baldwin was the perfect Bruce Wayne that never was he was the perfect Lamont Cranston
I've seen this multiple times and I've watched all the movies and read all the books. I wish the movie that takes place where the series left off would get made. Mads Mikkelson is my favorite Hannibal he plays the character so smooth and vicious so seamlessly.
Noonan was a better Dollarhyde than Ralph Feines and truer to the novel. He was quite terrifying.
Yeah, and Phillip Seymour Hoffman's (RIP) amazing as the reporter
I love the whole 80s vibe this film has including the soundtrack. You did mention the song in the end sequence but I’d be interested to know what you guys think of the soundtrack in general (Shriekback, etc.) as it has a very powerful presence throughout the film. I felt it created much of the atmosphere.
So great to see a review from people who loved this gem as much as I did.
One of my favorite scenes is, well actually two scenes that bookend the story - at the beginning, Will Graham is on the beach with his son, and they're trying to protect a nest of sea turtle eggs. It's kind of an act of faith on Will's part. At the end (I'm paraphrasing) his wife or son asks "what about the turtles?" and Will says "They almost all made it." Cue the end credits.
Manhunter is underrated. Good story, well acted. 5 yrs before Anthony Hopkins & the Lambs. Also “Year of the Dragon” is under appreciated. If someday it’s decided to continue the “Phantasm” movies...Tom Noonan would be a great choice to play the “Tall Man”.
He's very tall too - unlike Angus
if someone decides to continue the Phantasm movies, they should be animated instead of Live action with due respect to Angus Scrimm's character being voiced by someone else. We need more gritty and mature animated movies in the vein of movies like Phantasm.
I saw _Manhunter_ in the theater when in first showed. We didn't have police procedurals back then so it gobsmacked me. To this day "Hello, Will" are a pair of the creepiest words I have ever heard, thanks to Brian Cox.
It is a classic; all meat, no gristle.
As an aside, Graham chose a Charter Arms .44 Special loaded with Glaser Safety Slugs because in the book he was unable to stop Garret Jacob Hobbs with his .38 before the killer carved on his own daughters. GJH is referenced by Lecter/Lecktor in their last phone conversation. Unrelated to the book and film, a very close friend of mine carried exactly that weapon and load because it was a go-to for stopping power in 80s America. Also, the Son of Sam wielded a Charter Arms .44 Special to deadly effect.
As a closer, I can't say how much I respect Stephen Lang as an actor. Freddie Lounds, Ike Clanton in _Tombstone,_ Charles Winstead in _Public Enemy,_ he is a laudable chameleon.
I've been waiting for you guys to do this one-one of of my all time favorite movies from the 80's- and Brian Cox deserves more props- just watch the line where he says "Would you like to leave your home phone number?" and tell me that doesn't send chills up and down your spine........
Is "To Live And Die In LA" next?
I love that movie
I came here to say this and I certainly hope so!
So sad that that movie bombed like Manhunter, Petersen was excellent in both he could had been a big star then; props to him for managing to get a second wind years later with CSI but one can only wonder what could had been.
loved the fact he took alot of the quirks from this film and used it with his character on CSI
This film was by far the best of all the Hannibal Lecter stories. So good.
Thanks for the review.
"You don't just pick up a yoghurt and go 'I don't like that flavour, I'm gonna kill my neighbour'" had me laughing out loud
One of the things I liked is that it was precisely that, a cop thriller / investigation film more than a horror film, even if it has some elements of horror.
Manhunter and To Live And Die In LA is a good double feature. If you watch Thief you also see parallels with Manhunter, especially in the climax
Thomas Harris’ books were amazing. I read Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs, and Manhunter was a better adaptation of the novel than the movie starring Ed Norton. 😊😊😊
I wish Brian Cox could have had more time playing Lector.
lector wrote the note on the tp from the code in the newspaper. they were sending codes and using a book as a cypher so lector wrote it out having deciphered a newspaper personals ad .BTW lots of love from my hubby and i big fans !
No, The Tooth Fairy wrote on the TP cos he says he wrote the note on tp so Hannibal can get rid of it easily if necessary. The TP msg tells Hannibal how he can write back to The Fairy in code in the Lonely Hearts section of The Tattler, but Hannibal disposes of that part of the message leading to detectives racing against time trying to decipher the code while Hannibal's out of his cell. I can only guess that they only check Hannibal's outgoing mail, not his incoming mail?
Early one morning crossing rural Missouri, I stopped at a small, out of the way convenience store, that was utterly deserted. As I'm walking from my car, I think "this looks like the kind of place where the killer in some horror movie would waylay unsuspecting travelers." Then I walked in the door, and what song is playing? Inna Gadda Da Vida. I watched my back very carefully as I got my snack and coffee...
But yeah, such a great movie. I don't know how many times I've watched it. The pathos of Graham, the tragedy of Dolarhyde, the creepy hacker/social engineering Lector. The later Red Dragon was so disappointing, it felt like a soulless process of milking the Lector cash cow.
Something I've come to appreciate later about both Manhunter and Silence of the Lambs since watching Mindhunter is that Crawford is based on the same person as Ford from that show. To me, it makes the "Does this kind of understanding make you uncomfortable" scene feels kinda like as Graham rides the edge he's becoming a bit of one of the monsters Crawford studied, and that line is kind of Graham doing a Lector move on Crawford.
I remember as a kid walking into the living room while my dad was watching this and the scene where lounds is on fire rolling down the parking ramp blew my mind. Total WTF moment to my 8 year old self. 😂
The bullets Will Graham uses are Glaser safety slugs. Each round contains an amount of lead shot. They're designed to cause massive damage to tissue but have very little penetration when they strike harder objects, they won't even penetrate drywall/plasterboard, making them a safer round to use in law enforcement.
Great review amd no way Anthony Hopkin’s campy turn as Lecter is better than Brian Cox who manages to make Lecter both intellectually imposing but also has a physical presence that says , I could break your spine if I wanted. Outstanding film !!
Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant! Others in the same series pale in comparison, just terrific and Heat aside Michael Mann's best film.
for me Brian Cox is a much better Lecter. i saw this in an Edinburgh art house cinema, somewhat by accident, i got this confused with another movie who's trailer i had seen, one of the best mistakes i ever made
“Yeah, don’t call him the fairy Gary, call him the tooth fairy” just had me in stitches 😹😹😹
Actually, the 2001 Hannibal film did well in the box office. In fact, it outdid Silence of The Lambs. It made $356 million at the box office, more than Silence of The Lambs, which made $272 million.
Just saw this for first time 4 days ago, as a massive Silence/lambs fan I now think this is better. Its got a much deeper character aspect, you really get concerned for Graham as he gets deeper into it. Brian Cox was subtley menacing and more believable than Hopkins to be honest.
Noticed Dollarhydes death gave him 'blood wings' at the end, finally becoming the Dragon. I looked up films Noonan was in after seeing Robocop 2 and being very impressed with him. Incredible actor with a creepy look. The scene where he imagines his blind 'date' cheating on him is one of the most intense things I've ever seen.
Also loved how the reporter was a major jerk so when he becomes hostage you're sorta like ''meh, fk him had it coming''
Saw this film when I was about 12 and was terrified of a tooth fairy style home invasion for years
I adore this film. The atmosphere and 80s aesthetic is gorgeous and Brian Cox is the epitome of less is more.
Only really follows the first third of the book which spends a lot of time delving into the mind and history of the tooth fairy. However what Mann did with this adaptation was for the best.
A classic that really is unappreciated.
Exactly. I honestly feel the changes that Mann made benefited the story he was trying to tell. It’s an adaptation, he basically stripped everything to the essentials, altered elements of the plot and then built his own version around it and it works beautifully.
I think this is most clearly shown in the removal of the Red Dragon tattoo. Practically the entirety of Dolarhyde’s backstory is omitted, and even his actual reason for killing remains vague beyond a desire to “change”, but there are these little hints throughout the film offered up by both him and Graham that give an insight into his twisted psyche, and of course, if you’ve read the novel, you can apply all of that info to his character and it works even better.
For that reason, I love the ending, it felt more fitting for Graham to face Dolarhyde (you’ll notice when he is dead on the floor, the blood forms the Red Dragon wings, an awesome way of still including the motif) in a more direct way, and in doing so, confronts his inner demons and beats them, allowing him to return to his family. I’m a sucker for depressing endings, but I absolutely love the way Mann executed that more uplifting conclusion. There is light amongst the darkness of the world.
This movie was amazing. I liked it much better than the Red Dragon film.
Movie is a fucking masterpiece
After watching both Manhunter and Red Dragon, yeah Manhunter is better.
I saw this film when it first came out...scared the CRAP outa me and i still reference it.
In my top five fave films of all time :) you guys are great I’ve been watching you for years. Keep it up and stay safe
Good insights on this film I saw "Manhunter" before all the rest of the Hannibal Lecter movies (have zero interest in the books). The ones that glorify the murderer are not to my taste..."Manhunter" is grittier and the murderers are not glorified. William Petersen is a fine, often underrated actor and gives a solid center to the film, and the rest of the cast is so very good. Tom Noonan and Brian Cox are excellent. It's not a perfect movie but it delivers memorably.
I read the original novel few times and it always was a pretty disturbing story to read, and while i wouldn't say that Manhunter is just as disturbing, it's still a great movie and Mann's direction is excellent!
I have always liked Brian Cox ever since Zodiac but i really liked him in "Red", where a rich snobs (Tom Sizemore) sons kill his dog for no reason. He was also very good in The Autopsy of Jane Doe .
Brian Cox was the best lecter according to Mark Kermode
Nice Deftones reference at the beginning.
Ahhh one of my fave films. So glad you two are reviewing it.
I'm guessing 'Manhunt' will be this weeks gaming friday then as you often seem to keep them themed. Wishful thinking on my part though maybe ; ) Have a great day Gary, Iain, & all the fellow shelfers
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And Brian Cox voiced Starkweather in Manhunt.
@@daydreamindavey7315 Oh shit yes, how could I forget! "So many great memories of this game" (my comment on the vid). Time for a rewatch!
“He puts one of our in the ground we put one of theirs in the morgue”😂
If you havnt seen it Watch it!!!
This is a masterclass of how a film should be made.
After watching your review earlier, I knew I had to seek this film out and experience it for myself.. And after having just finished watching it, I have to say that I'm glad I did. Brian Cox was a great choice as Hannibal. He did quite a lot with very little screen time. Now I am left questioning the what if. If he returned to the role in the following film, with his more grounded in reality version of the character, would it have become the classic film that Sir Anthony Hopkins's version ultimately became, would the eventual remake have even been made?
Love Will Peterson.
Saw this before the others.
Gonna have to watch it again....just bought DVD on eBay :)
The novel is better, scarier and unsettling than any TV series or films.
Awesome review guys, I really need to see this now. OTSR 👊👊
I loved Manhunter, but there is one bit that confused me. The sequence at the end where Dolahyde was tormenting the woman, was that meant to be at her place or his? I mean it looked like her place because she answered the door, but then how did the police know to go there rather than to Dolahyde's home? What did I miss?
Graham is based on John Douglas FBI profller and author of Mindhunter, the scariest book you can ever read.
Thank you so much for the video. Such a great review!
This was one of favorites - very intense.
33:54 My "Hey, I know that guy" moment from the movie (bedsides when I realized that the main character played Grisholm in CSI) was when I noticed that one of the investigators during the "boardroom" scene was Bob "The Bulldog" Briscoe from Frasier! It was funny to see him younger and with hair 😆 And in the same scene was the "my strong hand" dude from Scary Movie 2, lol. But, honestly, you guys blew my mind with the revelation of who the reporter guy was. NEVER would have made that connection!! Wow! MASSIVE difference!
Bulldog is also in Silence as one of the Smithsonian entymologists
@@johnkeenan1829 No waaaay!! I totally missed that! I'll have to rewatch 😄👍🏼
it's spelled "Grissom", named after the Apollo 1 commander who got incinerated along with the rest of his crew.
The direction and music in this movie...LOVE IT.....keeps me coming back and rewatching it.
Manhunter is an awesome ’80s trip. 🤘
Brian Cox was the best Hannibal. He is believable as a brilliant doctor / serial killer who went undiscovered. He is quiet and organized menace. Mads Mikkelson is excellent as well. Anthony Hopkins chews the scenery and is not believable.
Funny how there's a blind woman in this and Stephen Lang would go on to play a blind man in Don't Breathe.
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I know. Two blind people. Mental.
I thinl Gary and Ian should have a chat with the toothfairy. I can imagine them sat there begging Mr Toothfairy to let them go....
Love that you guys feel the same as I do about this film. It's a hidden Gem.
The TP letter ( is Hannibal rewriting the magazine letter he read so he could keep reading it ... Since its in Hannibal' s handwriting)
The end of this movie is amazing. Way better than Red Dragon.
I noticed too how 2 out of 3 of these movies have a " blind womam" obviously on this one and the Jodie Foster getting the lights turned out in the basement of Buffalo Bills house in Silence of the Lambs.
This movie gets 4 stars from me.
Hope you guys will review movies like
The Pledge
At Close Range
About Schmidt
Robocop 2
ECT.
And let's all pray for a good 3rd Alien prequel!!!!!
You're wrong about Hannibal writing on the toilet paper. As The Tooth Fairy says that he's written it on Toilet paper in case Hannibal has to dispose of it quickly... I can't remember exactly how they start their conversations, it ends up being through "The Tattler" but I can't recall if it starts out that way, I'd have to rewatch or reread to be sure.
Oh, The Tooth Fairy tells Hannibal how to contact him on the toilet paper message, but Hannibal gets rid of that part of tp msg, the detectives then have that "race against time" while Hannibal's out of his cell while they try and work out their secret code (which turns out to be in the Lonely Hearts section of The Tattler)
Excellent deftones reference at the start
Brian Cox is the best Hannibal!
fuck this movie is so good. Not even Philip Seymour Hoffman could elevate Red Dragon above it. Also Brian Cox absolutely nailed it. Yeah I saw Manhunter right before Red Dragon came out too, it got a DVD rerelease like a month prior to Red Dragon coming out to rental houses. I saw them both two weekends back to back, I watch manhunter every couple years now. And to be fair like that Gill Grissome whatever his name is, the CSI dude, he's really good this movie and To Live and Die in LA are some of the best procedural police movies ever made.
I'm sorry, Brian Cox is the best LEcter, Hopkins is camp. Cox is threatening. and the chap on the right is correct, you're not asked to sympathize with the Fairy you're allowed to empathize with how broken he is and understand that he's a product of infinite sadness confusion and isolation.
It’s will Grissom and will Graham and to me with both have the same first name and initials it seems like a continuation of will Graham in CSI that made that series appeal to me when it was first aired. I couldn’t agree with you more about Manhunter it’s one movie I will always go back to watch, I saw it a couple of years before silence of the lambs on cable tv before seeing that and it will always be my personal favourite of the whole series of movies and tv shows since manhunter. It leaves it to the viewers to work out most things and leaves it up to your imagination to figure things out like the letter which I think lecktor wants them to find to set up Will and the FBI as he knows so much about how Will’s mind works and suggests that Will wanted the reporter killed, that kind of things make it so good to watch again and again.
I saw this film for the first time during a Forensics exhibition and conference cycle done by the Welcome Collection at Euston Road in London. There was a debate afterwards. When i went to see the film, I thought I had already seen it - I entered the cinema thinking that I had seen it. Then, I realised I hadn´t. I really liked it. It´s very faithful to the book, and I liked the CSI actor, William Petersen. I didn´t kow that it
was going to be him, but I recognised him immediately.
It was such a pity that he got typecast. Anyway, at least in CSI gave him the opportunity of a carrer and probably, even of making ends meet.
Never got round to seeing this or red dragon. Seen silence of the lambs and hannibal. Great review guys 😁 👍
Watched this at the age of 11 back in the late 80s and didn't know it was connected to the silence of the lambs when that was in cinemas in 1990. Always had this version on video or DVD much better movie than the remake, it has a unique vibe that's still watchable to this day.
As always,a great review guys.
Neither film really captures the book Red Dragon. Both films stand on their merits when removed from the novel but I would love to see a treatment of the caliber and accuracy that silence achieved. Tall order to be sure.
I'm waiting for this to happen one review: "Iain, why don't you give us the synopsis?" "No... no. I won't."
ua-cam.com/video/xIdWnnDGhL0/v-deo.html - Here you go :) - Iain
Sad Iain didn't let out a breathy Chino Moreno "ahhhh~ ahhh ahhh ahhh~"
I fucking love this film, watched it at a young age and it had a lasting impact on me!
Good review you guys! :)
I always enjoyed this version immensely ...
almost better than Silence...........................almost
But what made Silence good wasn't Hopkins' Lector, it was Foster's portrayal of Starling. Being able to balance strength and vulnerability, and to portray talent but with inexperience is tricky to get right without going too far one way and making the character a bumbler or going too far the other way and making them an expert - and she made both sides of it so perfectly believable.
I saw this film on a fluke super late night / early morning. While on computer. I happen to see red dragon before this. I agree I like this better than Red dragon.
He would have made a Good Michael Myers .
Thanks Gary & Iain
Have you guys reviewed Mandy (with Nicolas Cage) yet? - you gotta watch it - you will absolutely love it - its awesome and i know you'll do a great review :)
Just watched Manhunter, it was a very good movie, very good art direction and style.
The first time I heard Iron Butterfly it was in the Early 1990's I was living in Florida back then it was Cassette Tapes I thought it was going to be a quick Song I had to take a Shit and Decided to Hold it until the Song Came to an End it was a Long Wait .
What do you have against libraries?
I think Barney the orderly was helping lector
Madds Mikleson
Yes! It's Thursday! 👍👍
You guys should have a look at sky high (2005) film
That's a cool shirt Gary is wearing 😎
Can you please review Q the Winged Serpent, The Hitcher, It 2017, It Chapter 2, The Collector, Godzilla 1954, Anaconda, King Kong, and Jeepers Creepers?
Glad that I'm not the only one who didn't get the toilet paper letter thing and also in both movies.. I watched red dragon first than I watched manhunter I thought ok maybe it's explained better in this one but the same thing.. I think that dollarhyde somehow got that letter in a pack or roll of toilet paper. It's the only theory I can come up
Mrs. Leeds, changing. Do you see?
Do Escape From New York/L.A.
Manhunter: As much as I like Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter...this film is SO MUCH BETTER than Red Dragon it's really not a very good comparison.
I might be old fashioned but read the books, Red Dragon and Lambs are literary master pieces.
Speaking of tom noonan robocop 2 please
Genuinely look forward to my ping from your uploads,
I absolutely LOVE this movie
So much better than Red Dragon.
Love this film.