We Tracked All Our Games For a Year | EDHRECast 298
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2024
- Joey and Dana logged all their games for one year, and it's time to analyze the results! Which decks won the most? How long did games go? What was the effect of fast mana on turn one? Let's find out!
Joey's game log: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Chapters:
00:00 Intros & Win Percentages
11:52 Most Played
15:34 Least Played
21:48 Wins & Losses
31:11 Challenge the Stats
35:20 Surprises
40:02 Avg Game Length
48:45 Fast Mana Impact
52:29 1st Player Impact
55:00 Most Common Endings
59:38 Common Commanders & Final Takeaways
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Loved the introspection on Joey's part on making sure he's representing his decks properly and maintaining a power level on par with his regular playgroups. It really felt like he used these numbers to inform any corrections he needed to make to the composition of his decks or his own play style. Love that.
My husband and I have also been tracking some stats with our decks and we included a column for "fun" which we rated out of 10. 🎉
My playgroups is my rommates and so it's always 3 player EDH for us, and we track our games in a shared Google Sheet and it's a blast. I use the data more to see what decks I've not played in a while, and try to give my decks equal mileage. The other thing I love that we do in our spreadsheet is for each game we have a blurb of our favorite moments in the game, and that makes every game all the more memorable and fun to think about.
I love this, and ya’ll nerds in the best way
Can u share the google template?
Ok?
@@sergiorovoletto2721sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I was looking for a way to share it without doxing myself plus adding some color to it docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nIPulzbhqd-fbRNf6b7iZAcKNKX4TDCK3fQrWXbgiLk/edit?usp=sharing
In my tracking of games, I'm not even automatically tracking whether I won, just commanders involved and some notes. I'm more interested in my impressions of the deck's performance than actually getting the win. You don't get all of the wins you deserve and you don't always deserve the wins you get and all that
My decks were dominating my playgroup so I had to drop the decks power and go for “doing the something” more
And that can be even more fun then winning!
@@safertobeanonymous2224YES, I've started writing little notes before the game of things I want to do such as "copy every other commander" or "blink thragtusk 5 times" and then reveal the note once "I do the thing" or I lose and honestly it's more fun than winning
Dana has got a very subtle way to say he's better at Magic than his opponents 😄
I don't think better is the right way to phrase it, because I don't know if I'm better. I've played against really excellent players, and I know what it looks like to play against someone better than you, i.e. the feeling they're playing 3D chess. I think it's more that due to the sheer volume of time I spend playing and talking about this game my eyes are open to more small advantages and opportunities that present themselves in a game or in a deck that someone less immersed might miss.
@@danaroach29that still means you’re playing against people who aren’t as skilled at the game as you, it’s not something you need to dance around - Immersion and practice make you a better player. if you really enjoy gaining incremental advantage over a game I’m surprised you’re not more into cEDH to be honest!
@@danaroach29 "I don't think better is the right way to phrase it": proceeds to describe how and why you're doing things better than most.
Considering how much time and effort you dedicate to the game, I don't think it's dirty to say you may excel at this game.
@jasonsavory9748 @jaywinner328 I think the main difference between a good commander player and Cedh is the mindset. One is to win at all cost, the other is to see decks do their thing. A deck doing their thing doesn't mean kt wins, just that it functioned and had an impact. I'm 5 - 1 this year and 1 was a werewolf kindred and another Yargle and Multani in a 5 player game than was commander damage at turn 10. Not exactly cedh material, but good enough to do something while flying just under the radar to live.
Odd that with Dana’s winrate, he has 40% wr, which means the opponents have 60% to split 3 ways, so 20% each (on average). The “small advantages and opportunities” means he is twice as likely to win than any other player… I’d be with Joey who says a winrate that high might be a sign of something else rather than just pushing the margins
I feel like if I was tracking my wins, my friends would intentionally target me just to skew those stats 😅
I mean, thats a good point about the inability of stats to capture everything. If you're the archenemy every game and the other players can easily politic against you each game, you could be a "better player" or playing objectively stronger decks but with a relatively low winrate for your skill/power. Maybe that's the real reason these guys win so often, is the experience politicing and flying under the radar
@@bryanleblanc5648 Or, conversely, the stats would've been higher had their opponents not known they were playing against one of the EDHREC guys (because they obviously know the stats). This is part of why games like Fortnite let you be anonymous so streamers can actually just play (obviously the streaming adds another level, but you know what I'm saying). Obviously they're very open about what they learn, so anybody can also have that same insight, but I think I'd be a bit apprehensive sitting down across the table from one of these guys. Yes, they're there for fun, but they also have a deck that is immaculately tuned (Is mine? I'm not sure; I do this for fun, they do it for a part of their living and are all about the stats).
I'm new to mtg and these guys are great. It's crazy to see how positive this community is coming from yugioh where everything is either "meta guide" or complaining.
At the expense of your wallet ;)
@@tempermen6032 pretty true, I built a commander deck on moxfield over a few days of research and come to find out it's gonna be like $560... ok mby I can afford this by september. Lol
Cant wait to see this again next year hope matt participates
Good point about the difference between winning turn 6 or slug it out till turn 10 at 1:00:00
I'm not sure I mentioned this on the show, but I also think my personal play and brew style seems to benefit slugging it out to turn 10 games, where small incremental advantages tend to add up to a critical mass.
This is easily the episode I was most excited to come out, love me some stats!
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing your findings with us!
Thanks Dana and Joey for putting in all that work to track your games last year! It’s great to get some data about your experience of playing Commander 😊
An interesting measurement could be
1: was your win a feel...
A- good
B- bad
...to you.
2: was your win a feel...
A- good
B- bad
...to your opponents.
Also,
Rule Zero - most common rules agreed upon. Maybe, unique or ones you walked away from.
This is a cool episode! It inspired me to track my games this year. Setting up the spreadsheet now!
I enjoyed losing to the "Commander" Commander deck at MTG Summit this year. It was great to get games with you both
I’ve been waiting for this episode! Just picked up a notebook of my own to jot down results for this year. Excited to see what comes up.
absolutely nuts that Dana has 5 decks he has played more than 10 times with a >=50% winrate. That dromoka deck is really interesting with a big emphasis on doubling up power
That's why I agree with him on other comment when saying that slugging the game usually tends to win you more games in casual edh than try to win on turn 7 if you started like a monster
Joey mentioning the Nesting Grounds/Admiral Brass, Unsinkable makes me feel happy that others are seeing how fun and unfair it is 😂
Admittedly I do have Nesting Grounds in my Admiral Brass deck, but it's to inconvenience my opponents mid-late game.
Soo excited for this episode!!
I've been waiting for this one! I can't wait 🎉
Awesome data and insights!! Idk if you intent to keep doing it, but I would love to see the 2024 edition of this!
We do indeed!
Hey, one of those games Joey logged was against my wife at MTGsummit.
You guys have inspired me. I started tracking my games in July last year following what little I could glean off of the initial look at Joey's spreadsheet, and now I'm excited to start at the beginning of a fresh year!
Yes! I was wondering when this episode would air!
Hmmm...I grew up with a pool table in our basement and I'm just fracking aweful at it.
to help not get bogged down caring about win % I reckon it'd be helpful to also track whether or not your deck "did the thing".
sometimes your titania deck gets to zuran orb all of its lands to barely survive a crackle with power and make a huge army in the process, only for the next player to cast a wrath of god and set you back to the stone age. you didn't win, but it's a great story and you definitely had a fun time. so by tracking that it can become much easier to stomach a 10-15% win rate if you know that 90% of the time you're impacting the game in fun and interesting ways.
Nesting Grounds is a great shout for the pirate precon. I got it this year for Christmas and thought I was being pretty big brained for adding Soul Diviner and Fain, the Broker to get rid of those finality counters. Love the idea of also giving them to my opponent's creatures.
Nesting grounds a finality counter to someone else’s creature is absolutely brutal 😂
@@pistolpete7422 one of my friends has an Atraxa/proliferate incubator tokens deck, so I know who's getting those finality counters first lol
ive been anticipating this episode longer than i want to admit
I started tracking my games after the initial video Joey made, and its been fun. A lot of my decks are 'Young' so I also track impressions of my own deck, and will leave comments like "mana screwed", "could've used more ramp", "need more draw", etc. Then if I see that the same message for the same deck appears a lot, maybe its time I look into resolving that issue. Not necessarily to increase the decks win %, but more to just make sure I'm enjoying my own experience playing the deck.
One interesting thing I've found is my lowest win % deck (quite literally 0, it hasn't won a game since a started tracking it), is the one I find myself reaching for the most. I have the most fun piloting it, my opponents have fun playing against it, and I have 0 intention on taking it apart anytime soon. Its a Megatron artifact deck, and the sole goal is to fling big artifacts at opponents, deal big damage, then make mana to play more big artifacts. One stat I'd be curious to know, partly do to the way this deck often performs, is some form of game impact metric. Maybe the deck didn't win, but how much life did it cause other opponents to lose?
i am so impressed by y’alls tracking ability I would get fed up with it so fast
I was in one of the 35 games Joey played with Baba Lysaga! I had the honor of him playing in my pod during MTG Philly, though i don't remember what I played nor who won (maybe i should start tracking my numbers this year). Regardless, great games, and interesting stats! Hope to you again this year.
Yesssss I’ve been waiting for this episode!!
Great episode!!!
@39:00 Something I've noticed over the years of playing commander is that large bodies with flying are just good. And if it is your commander it just gets better. I use to have a Sharuum combo deck that did silly Sharuum things but also the amount of times I would just swing this large sphinx at someone's face was not a small number xD
Been waiting for this one!
Been looking forward to this one
Talk about a cool way to talk about more than just theory. Great to see such a long endeavor pay off.
My first and favorite $150 budget Commander deck is an Obyra, Dreaming Duelist Faerie Tribal deck. It can really sneak up on my opponents by starting small in the early rounds but then exploding into deadly ETB and Bounce combos by turn 6 or 7 if unchecked. I really love token/tribal decks.
Regarding the fast mana stat:
I don't think it's just having the fast mana early itself. It's just that when someone drops a Mana Crypt or Jeweled Lotus in general, they most likely didn't hold back on packing the rest of their deck full of similarily powerful cards either.
So I feel like the impact of just fast mana in a vacuum is probably a bit less than that.
Edit: The fast mana winrate for just the precon matches would probably quite interesting for that matter, though the sample size gotta be painstakingly small.
Yeah, fast mana is good AND is often a signpost of other things that make the deck strong.
I've been tracking my games since Dana said in this podcast he was tracking his back in 2022. It is a very fun experience to share this data with my friends and see it myself. I also have some stats on the colors we use (e.g., winrate).
One thing I like to know is how often I play with a certain deck. It helps dusting off the ones I don't play and probably put away for a while the ones I play too much.
When I heard of this idea from you guys, I set out to do the same, I'm not quite up to a year (couple months to go), but thanks for sharing!
A polite critique (as I love the podcast), I was surprised that budget of decks wasn’t discussed in this. My pods decks are all within the $75-$150 price range. Dana’s listing shows a $3k+ deck
Quick Math feedback, for "average game length" metric, because the "number of turns" are discrete, non-normally distributed numbers, I recommend using Median for measuring central tendency instead of Average. Median will be less affected by the skew of the numbers and any outliers. BTW, this episode is WONDERFUL ❤ thank you so much for sharing, guys! Game on 😊
Hey! Greetings Form Germany. I love your passion for EDH. Its incredible how much effort you put into this Podcast/Videos. I will try to Track my Game data from now on. My question is: how do you Track this data whithout slowing the Game down by tracking the data?
Keep up with your content and dad jokes😂
I also have a Burakos/Folk Hero deck and I love it. The fact that every turn i have to figure out a way to get a full party, the theme with the treasures and some of the card that I would never play in any other deck are so much fun. Besides my wurm riding elves Baru deck, Burakos is my favorite.
I'm not a huge fan of spreadsheets and graphs, but I think I might keep a Commander journal and have entries summarizing each game, win/lose, fun had, and reason why or why I didn't have fun.
I'm a big fan of building modern commanders that are under represented or very hard to determine play patterns. One of my favorite decks recently has been Slogurk, the overslime because I'll put him in the command zone and after opponents read him the general consensus is "he looks...ok I guess." or "idk life from the loam in the command zone doesn't seem that crazy" but then the deck massively exceeds their expectations.
He's almost never the biggest threat at the table but has such outrageously explosive potential with sylvan safekeeper or excavation and those aren't commonly played cards that tend to fly under the radar when sitting next to a Muldrotha or a Prosper.
My newest deck is Mycotyrant for almost all of the same exact reasons as why I love Slogurk and while they play very similarly they are super strange and largely unrepresented play styles in the format
I like how Joey has shown that fast mana meant that you were more likely to win but The Command Zone found that turn 1 sol rings lead to less than expected win percentages.
I think most of the command zone’s findings are because people keep bad hands because of sol ring
It's important to remember that both samples are statistically insignificant. Add to that the fact that the experiments are wildly uncontrolled (the "metas" played in can affect the results). Don't get me wrong, I think crunching numbers like this is great and fun to learn about, but they are far from showing anything to be a truth, just observing what happened.
@@chrisvanderheiden12 100% on board with this analysis.
There are far too many variables for one player to control in just how they collect their data let alone across all of the games variables too.
And yes. Data is great. The last comment about observing results can impact how one feels about a deck is really telling.
I do think it is interesting that both data sets seem to indicate thelat fast mana on turn 1 CHANGES THE GAME. Maybe you win more, maybe you get targeted and get knocked out. But the game is different (and normally and archenemy situation).
Did my comment get deleted?
I’ve been tracking my games too and can totally relate to forgetting to keep track of turns. I ended up buying an oversized D20…like the size of a baseball, and that made it easier to not forget 😅
Invigorating surge has taken me to top 100 mythic for several season on arena. I currently play a hardened scales deck /soulawakener. Plus one counters will always be my bread and butter.
This is cool ideia. Will try do this in my game, nad also track other things like number of individual and board removals, lands played, etc
Dana, I was playtesting my Selesnya deck after some re-tooling, it ended up winning via tokens from Khalni Garden and +1 counters, and it did so quite promptly. I was used to the deck being actively terrible, so this was quite a shocker to see it eek out a win after surprisingly few turns.
If people find their group lets people win if they get an early mana rock out and they don't want to ban them they can try stuff like Gorilla Shaman and Viashino Heretic. If people run busted lands then Dwarven Miner (is this a rutabaga pest or a model?) and Dwarven Blastminer are great solutions. So just run Red and show no mercy to those who dare push the format where it ought not be! Oh, and Jaya Ballard, Task Mage, a handy-dandy to any a-hole Blue permanents! Red is not a colour I loved at first in Commander (and I still barely play it), but the more I run it, the more it grows on me.
I liked the part where Joey said "It's Miiryming time" and Miirymed the whole table
The cool thing about commander, is unlike in 1v1 formats, winning isnt always about not being able to do your thing.
For instance, a few of the decks ive played in commander are decks where "doing their thing" wins u the game or atleast are insanely condusive to winning. This would be my Selesnya +1/+1 and tokens deck, since its just a crazy budget aggro deck. And my syr carah decks as the whole deck is just storm ftw.
Whereas other decks I have played, Orzhov pile, esika gods, enchantress gods, and so on usually do their thing by just accumulating value or just putting cool things into play.
love this. I would suggest a minimum number of plays per deck for every deck you decide to use in this project.
20:52 What I already did that...and pissed off many. I've been noticing Dana has similar patterns as I do, as I made an Ardenn/Esior pauper commander deck way back only to find out that Dana also made one (just not a pauper version, I assume).
Also, you guys' data reflects your personalities. Joey plays more explosively, reflecting the higher variance between deck win percentages (highest 100% and lowest 0%), whereas Dana is a more conservative player with his data having lower variance to reflect that (lowest at 25% and highest at 71%)
52:20 Another point about fast mana. It doesn't matter if everyone teams up on one person if they can't cast the spells required to stop that player, due to the turn of impact. Example, if someone who went first drops a turn 2 Smothering Tithe, there's very little that a casual deck can do about it that early in the game; they will get their treasures.
1:05:05 That reminds me of my Akroma, Angel of Wrath monowhite deck (I call 'Akroma, Angel of Math'). People know it and keep saying, "he's going to kill us eventually with her if we're not careful." Meanwhile everyone's playing threats that each other player must remove, lest they fall drastically behind, then when I finally have enough mana to play Akroma (unless the game ends before that), someone is dying, which is usually when most of the instant speed removal is gone or limited for use because I have a Mother of Runes or something to give protection.
One of my takeaways from this is that we may need to rethink precons regarding their power. Precons are competently built and stand well against other decks, sure, but even the average deck by a non-spiky player is heads and shoulders better. I feel we need to reconsider precons as "mid-power" and how we view the power scale.
An interesting thing to track would be how many of your games are against people who have never played against you or the deck you are playing before.
1:03:14 rule #1 for me baby! play those underwhelming commanders
Joey, anyway you can please make a blanks version of your spreadsheet we can use?
It has drop downs! It's incredible!
On the topic of 'full sample size' lol:
try over 100. Try over 1000. Maybe 10k to 100k is a statistically meaningful sample.
Just shuffle your deck and draw 100 hands, play out 5 turns and ask who is wining. But you have to do this with every combo of player(A) draws 1 way and lets players(B,C,D) have their own unique hands. That player(B) has 100 draws, player(C) has 100 draws and so on as you compare each draw. This exercise should tell you how much variance is in Magic (esp EDH). And a sample of 30 games even (maybe 60 hours of gameplay) is still not that much to understand what this deck can do.
The last part about common commanders vs rare commanders it's very interesting.
I have a Bjorna/Wernog blink-combo deck that is amazing, to me at least. It's my favourite deck to play with and I win a lot with it. I know they are the third sans green commander after Tymna/Kraum and Breya, but they are not so played at least in my part of the world.
The thing is... It's boring as hell for my opponents, and, even if I take out infinite combos and play like "Make a bunch of clues, cast KCI and Torment of Hailfire the game/Exanguinate", it feels awful for them.
When you talked about don't playing your stronger decks this year, I agree in a sense that I didn't have tables to play it as much as I like it.
If my win percentage was over 40 in edh id personally feel like I wasn't properly matching power levels. I spent last year building slightly less powerful decks to try and match with some of the groups I play with and random players on spelltable
I've felt as though my decks have been more fun to play with the higher variance in power
I'm already the "slow" player so I don't know if my group would let me add in tracking things that go on but this is a cool idea! I'll have to think about doing it.
can you drop a tutorial on how use and customize your spreadsheet as our own?
I was so obsessed about getting better I’d play 4p games by myself 😂😅 just so I could learn my decks, the better plays and just understanding the fundamentals better. Watching games on YT while I’d play.
I have around 12 EDH decks I rotate through at the sad rate of 4 a month.
Last year I began keeping a log of what decks I'm playing and keeping noted on what could be improved.
I think I will track games played and wins this year just for fun. Sadly, no Magic in January at all this year. 😢
Dana has an insane winning %!
Tracking just sol ring would be interesting because it is available to everyone but lotus or mana crypt bring in a lot more confounding variables with potential deck budget.
I'm curious if the turn count for when a game ends is only counting games where you won, or also including games you lost, because that would definitely impact how you read that data. I think I'd find it a lot more useful to know how long games lasted where I won. But I would separately like to know what turn I lost on. That could tell me a bunch of things. Maybe my deck is playing a commander that just causes me to get targeted, or maybe I'm playing a slow deck that doesn't have enough defense.
Regardless, I loved this and plan to track some stats this year. I love stats!
These numbers are interesting, sad about the mill not winning games because one of my favorite decks is mill and though not specifically tracking I win fairly often with it.
My mill deck is usually 7-10 turns and loses frequently because table turns on me. Love playing the deck regardless of wins.
My most wins are with Greybeard gracious host. Most underrated commander in green white.
Oh Dana we played two games at MTG summit I played the kamigawa dragon tribal and my gimli mournful avenger I think I won both games but I hope you found them entertaining.
Golgari golgari golgari :D i guess we found the best color combination :D
It's crazy the way that basically in any situation we just need more data. I want to know what decks are at the table and what decks are losing or winning against this or that most commonly.
After seeing your previous video on this I started tracking my games in about May last year. Definitely noticed the tracker's bias and will probably add a Fun % category to track alongside winrates. I play lots of budget janky brews in a meta with a lot of Lathrils, Myyrims and other stompy decks that go off turn 5-6. So my games are considerably shorter and my win rate is much closer to the average. Still. Fascinating though.
Joey's Vohar reanimator deck is beast. I copied it (made some changes to the reanimation targets over time) and it feels like a real pubstomper
I'm having a Liz Lemon "This whole thing could be a spreadsheet!" moment watching this. Great work everyone
Two things: 1 I wonder how many times Dana was overlooked/underestimated and 2 what were Joey’s borrowed decks
That definitely factors in I think.
Also, a hundred or so games at the LGS where people may be much more laid back and meme’ing vs. playing against family during holidays where (for me anyway) we would be much more competitive in nature.
Looking through some of this for tips on how to improve games with my playgroup... Our games tend to last well over an hour, sometimes 2-3 hours at the high end. Any recommendations on how we can improve our deckbuilding/gameplay to stop having 20+ turn games all the time?
An hour game is completely normal in casual EDH, people talking and thinking takes time, and some board states are so hard to read. Even an hour and a half games if people get responses for every threat that hits the board.
The best tip I have to you is: play more games, know your decks, know the board states and when to do X thing or when not to do X thing (example: when to boardwipe or when to leave open mana). That's all. You will learn how to play the game better, understand what is good or bad in your decks, etc...
And Joey….you do look young ❤
I have a challenge the stats for marchesa the black rose, Oblivion's Hunge, 1 generic and 1 black; Target creature you control gains indestructible until end of turn. Draw a card if that creature has a +1/+1 counter on it. And from what I can see rn 0 decks are running it.
Very interesting episode. We're these decks largely unchanged throughout the year?
Hey, Joey, would you happen to have a spreadsheet or list of stats that you recorded? If so would you be willing to share, please? I'm wanting to record stats for my commander games too.
Is that decklist Dana had for Radiant Jeska anywhere? Its not in the shownotes links unfortunately. I've tried to build them as well and would love to know his approach.
I just checked and I didn't save the list :(
LOOOOL "new deck energy"
what is that konrad art? can't find that version elswhere.
@56:44, Lovely 2D pie chart*. We should talk about expected field and if a group is weighted.
This chart doesn’t show how many mill decks vs how many infect decks you saw. Players should give their intent via pregame chats (ie: a player expects to win via combat and maybe you would see one combo in 1% of their games vs a combo player who tries every time to assemble any of 3 or 4 combos - each being an instant win).
The goal here is to see how many decks are ‘entering’ as sac vs creature damage. (One missing them is voltron theme. Maybe its less meaningful to talk about commander damage but a better way to talk about tall and narrow strategies than thiccccc strategies) (thicccc strategies is like Hoof or just thiccc green lords and ladies. Card quality doesn’t matter so much because your Ghalta can die and you have 3 more threats to jam than using equipment/enchantments to enthiccccen your creature).
(* a way to show more information is a 2 layer / almost 3D pie chart. If you show total players, their decks being classified into expected wincons. Layer two can sit above this pie chart. Say 69 decks were voltron but only 7 decks actually took the last win, then you show that 7 win slice against 69 voltron entries. The same way that maybe 10 players enter as a mill deck but 0% win and thus have no representation in the wining layer.) (There are other ways to visually display this data, probably more academically correct to talk about meta share when you are talking about a small sample.)
So I don't know if you know this based on how you tracked your data but the fast mana on turn one stat you gave feels really feast or famine.
I want to know if that 53% the person who played fast mana on turn one was the first ko.
I know when Game knights looked over all of their footage they noticed that t1 fast mana had a proportionally high significance of who was ko'ed first.
It usually happens because there are two ways two understand fast mana in non cEDH games (that's for another time):
1- Other players know how to play the game but don't have the immediate response. Example: turn 1 Sol Ring, turn 2 Smothering Tithe. Solid start, but if you don't have the cards to support that start, that's the only fast play you have or you don't have drawing spells in your hand, good players can stop you if need It or have an eye on you every turn. So it's a possibility that you outlive that start unless you go wild and became the archenemy.
2- You are playing with newbies or less experienced players. You are going to get focused even if you stop doing crazy things in turn 2/3. I know very well that new players tend to praise Sol Ring like cards, and have tunnel vision the rest of the game if you did something strong in early turns.
By the gospel of Joey fast mana makes you win. Preach brother Preach
We could scale this with a Google form. Not every group/player will agree to fill it out, but I think many would.
I went into the year with 5 decks, and I’m not happy with 2 of those. Not so much I want to take them apart quite yet, but I’m not excited by them. I have built a 6th in the last week and a 7th is in the works, so we’ll see what happens.
one fast mana piece is a deck is different than enough to reliably get 1-2 fast mana in the opening hand
I'm curious about how they tracked the games as they were happening. Was this done on a notepad with pen and paper then later logged? Or was this done on a phone or tablet during the game?
This is quite a feat for both of you to complete, congrats!
Joey used a google doc, I used a notebook. I'm switching to a doc on my phone this year though, both because it's easier, and because having a collection of notebooks filled with weird notations across multiple years is the first step in becoming Kevin Spacey's character in Se7en.
it was just a sidenote, bud Dana mentioning he built Ognis mono red was incredibly eye opening.
I want to build a mono green and mono blue deck, but i found almost all options either uninspiring or just a bit too lackluster.
just picking a multicolor legend and building just one color is birlliant, why didnt i think of it myself?
how much did turn 1 fast mana speed up or slow down games? win rate is fine, but does a turn 1 sol ring by at least one player speed up the game by about half a turn, like it feels like?
Good question! We'll probably have a follow-up video with some more granular data that we didn't have time to tackle in this episode.
Does anyone know if Joey's Burakos // Folk Hero deck is posted anywhere?
There's a link to all our decks in the description of every video! :) edhrec.com/articles/edhrecast-our-decks/
Opps! Missed it. Thanks guys!@@EDHRECast
Matt won the game I played him at Magic Minneapolis with his Council of Four deck.
@5:44, could you have documented if you felt advantaged in some way? Say if your deck was like an 8 (on a 10 point scale) vs your opponents only bringing 5s to 7s to the table. Or if they are much newer to you and thus your wins are because of experience differentials.
It would be almost nice to talk about MV price (median, mean and mode prices) but also what is the salt value of your deck. Surely these numbers helps to identify if your deck has some more quality pieces than another player. (I think it would be hard to have a high power level while having a low MV price AND a low salt score).
The main advantage I generally felt was knowing my deck played better than it looked, and seeing other players play cards I felt to be worse than they realized.
Hmmm….. I would be curious to see a W/L percentage breakdown from the number of games won/lost tied to your position in the starting turn order.
Aka w/l turn 1 v 2 v 3 v 4.
Secondly, I think Joey may need to tune his wilhelt for stronger stronger zombie synergies……..I also use wilhelt and I think the commander kinda gives a slight advantage as Wilhelt itself is generally not perceived as a threat……in my opinion one of the largest threats as viewed by my opponents v a wilhelt and/or zombie deck is by far gravecrawler.