I used to love the conventions. We were a low-income family growing up, so it was our only "vacation" we would take. Travel, hotels, pools, restaurants, the Drama. And yes, although I had NO game, it was my one chance per year to try and find a cute sister to date outside of my tiny town. Although I am 100% POMO, I still look nostalgically at those times.
We were the same single parent family! it was like a vacation when we were younger....our friends, a pool....and slogging through endless nauseating messaging. I'm glad you're out!!
Stacey you're so universally relatable to any generation of ExJW, i often forget that you predate me a few years. I'm too young for the 8 day conventions, my parents experienced those. But i do remember cooking for days straight at Yankee Stadium in 98 degree, 105 hummidity weather as a boy. Huge baseball fan, just waiting for the Yankees and Red Sox to take the field as a reward after I was done sitting through all the boring talking. And nothing to show for it but a spanking when i, the 5 year old, inevitably fell asleep during this nonsense 😫. It's that weird trauma bonding that keeps me coming back, thanks for making my morning as always buddy!
My man!!!! So good to see you, thanks my friend! Those traumas are real! I'm a big Ram's fan, so going to the SoCal assemblies was all about getting a look at the field. I forgot to mention Pasadena. But in San Francisco, they had all the concert photos on the walls of all my favorite bands.....so during lunch, it was all about checking out Van Halen! LOL! I fell asleep constantly.....I had a lifetime of Lifesavers in my bag to keep me awake..... then we graduated to binoculars to look at other people around the stadium. Insane memories..... the sunburns in California were REAL!
57 years ago I graduated from high school, a “good witness” raised a family in the “truth”, towed the company line,regular service , a bunch of “quick builds”, made it to be an M S , but was deleated because I didn’t keep up to the national average. Woke up at the beginning of the pandemic, now my two kids have disowned me (pointing at me and declaring that I’m an apostate). So I did I end up? I’m living on what Uncle Sam gives me as an allowance. No family, a few worldly friends and nothing to look forward to. But at least I’m free of that HATEFUL CULT! Your talk brought back a lot of memories , to be fair some good and some bad. Thanks Stacy!,,,
You know, while I understand family IS everything. My family doesn't bother with me. Noe, we're not JW but my dad did & younger brother, study with them in the door to door sales they do. I have no one but handful of people , the gov pennies, yet not the fake . Sometimes with change comes a reality of change people, places, & things just like breaking a bad habit. I did,'nt have kiddos , had been a bonus mom , but they're off busy. You can have friends here in people who can relate, not know, but similar endings AND beginnings too !! I wish you the best !! From NY state
Lol by the time I was in, the District Conventions were only 4 days. But since I was from a very small town with no friends, it was the event of the year for me!! I think I would have loved an 8-day convention. Ours were either in San Antonio or at the Astrodome in Houston!
Being rejected by the JW elders in 2009 was one of the best things that happened to me. Saved me time and heartbreak, and being called an apostate. I remember as a kid, they were against Jehovah and his rule. Now I know it's anyone that questions them and or leaves. Thanks for your talks.😊
What's amazing is the JWs that heard the counsel 57 years ago telling them to not pursue higher education because Armageddon is imminent, still get excited to attend the convention in 2024, where they are hearing the EXACT SAME THING... and they still believe. "Life saving direction" = the carrot on a stick.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 Many of those very people who swallowed that bait back in the 60s are now poor, broke, alone, disillusioned, disappointed, and dead or dying from old age, and that is the true reward and result of the Governing Body‘s BS that’s delivered to those putting faith and trust in men. Psalms 146:3.
Isn't it incredible when you sit back and realize how BAD this is....sometimes it really hits you. The same lie....decade after decade.....this year's convention is JUST as bad!
Late 90's. Veterans stadium Philadelphia. Sitting under a scorching sun with thousands of others wishing I was somewhere else. Ah the memories. My only salvation was walking around in the shade during intermission eyeballing all the hot young sisters.
"Is he kind to his mother and does he help her around the house?" Well, at 30 years-old he shouldn't still be living at home, but since he followed Watchtower's counsel to not get an education and just be a content coal shoveler, and he can't afford to move out or get married, it is what it is. Bell's comment is truly hilarious, coming from a Bethel baby who has other people (not his mother) do his laundry and cook for him, all on the dime of JWs who actually work for a living.
YES!!!!! Exactly!!!!! it was a subtle admission that teenagers have a delayed journey to adulthood in most cultures! I'm all for helping your mother....but the way he shared that it is obvious they know these kids go from kids to marriages.....insane!!!
The video offers several critical insights and lessons learned from observing the 2024 Jehovah's Witness Convention, particularly regarding the organization's stance on education, careers, and social expectations: 1. **Skepticism Toward Secular Education and Careers:** - The convention discourages higher education and career pursuits outside the organization, labeling them as potentially harmful or "toxic." This reflects a broader organizational emphasis on prioritizing religious duties over personal or professional development. 2. **Encouragement of Full-Time Service:** - Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to dedicate themselves to full-time ministry work, such as pioneering or other organizational roles, as the "best life ever" before Armageddon. This is presented as more fulfilling and meaningful compared to secular careers. 3. **Emphasis on Obedience and Conformity:** - The talks and presentations stress the importance of obedience to the governing body's guidance, suggesting that questioning or deviating from these instructions is viewed negatively. This includes adhering to organizational standards in areas like education, career choices, and personal behavior. 4. **Traditional Gender Roles and Dating Guidance:** - The video critiques the advice given to young women regarding dating and marriage, emphasizing the need for choosing partners who align with the organization's values and who are actively engaged in ministry work. This advice also includes assessing potential mates based on their relationship with their parents and their commitment to the faith. 5. **Critique of Content and Quality of Convention Presentations:** - The host critiques the perceived decline in the quality of the convention's presentations, including the use of overly simplistic or outdated messaging and a lack of engaging content. This reflects a broader dissatisfaction with the organization's approach to modern issues and education. 6. **Impact on Personal Development and Well-being:** - The video discusses the long-term impact on individuals who follow these teachings, including potential missed opportunities for personal growth, financial stability, and educational advancement. It suggests that the organization's stance can lead to a restricted life experience, limited by a narrow set of beliefs and expectations. Overall, the lessons learned from the video revolve around the potential consequences of following strict religious guidelines at the expense of personal and professional development, as well as the importance of critical thinking and questioning established doctrines.
Hey Sir it called the Regional Convention now! When we were both young we called it the District Assembly, remember? Then it was the District Convention, as you stated in your Podcast. Now it's called the Regional Convention. Terminology. One has to get the current terminology right or you look as if you aren't spiritual, you aren't keeping up with the times. We have to have the correct spiritual terminology. I've found this out over the last couple of years. Love your memories and take on things. Thanks for what you do.
@@natashapeeters988me too, but I'm glad of the explanation because I couldn't remember which assemblies were the district and which were the circuit after being out so long and the changes in name doesn't help.
You're the best, THANK YOU for correcting me, you're so right! LOL, I'm showing my age!!! I'm glad you corrected that here....it really hits me some weeks how 'old news' my experiences are in 2024....it's a completely different religion. I look forward to collaborating!!
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
@@vusimngomezulu2500 The only reason you don't know about the others who are doing or attempting to do the same thing is because you are not allowed to research that. When you do and you find your answers, come back to me. I'll be happy to discuss.
It’s cult recruitment please research your organisation throughly you can use their own material start with the harp of God “millions now living will never die”!!!
Yankee stadium..... Rose bowl...... Worked in the "snack bar" making hoagies and pastrami sandwiches... My bestie's BIL was the cleaning dept head, so yep.... Remember those smells...... 🤮 I played the accordion... Yep I was that kid, in the orchestra..... Anything to not have to set and try not to "nod off". I made so many costumes for those dramas it was scary...... Made those fake beards...... 😂😂...... Pioneered for a lot of years in a congregation where they "needed" help covering their territory...... Yep..... Spent many years putting data bases together for ppl who had abilities to build Assembly Halls. My dad was cong overseer, city overseer, and assembly overseer so I was raised in the thick of it...... walked away 48 yrs ago...... At 75, I still have issues with guilt and fear, although after making my career working in mental health I am so much calmer and actually enjoy my life!!
Wow you played accordian??!! Amazing...oh the memories! I remember making sandwiches too! oh those make shift kitchens. The Cleaning Dept was the WORST!Those smells were SO BAD!!!
Yes, I remember all of it. You must’ve been there at dodger Stadium when I was there too and yes, I remember the heart with the lights on it, and when it was speaking to it’s brain, the red lights all over the heart would light up on the heart to the rhythm of the words. And yes, I remember the live orchestra. By the way, I used to go over to the brother that conducted the orchestras house to go swimming at their fancy Hollywood home, even met brother Nathan Knorr, which was a big deal to me at the time. I’ve met and had discussions in the past with some Governing Body members way back when, not that that’s a big deal because I certainly was disappointed with those experiences. The governing body were nothing like I imagine them to be spiritually.😞 They were businesslike, distant and shallow, too busy and important to be bothered with witness peasants even when they had some rare spare time on their hands. Their videos are like terribly retarded acting and boring to tears infomercials.
WOW Charles....next level!!! You met King Knorr??? I too had a close friendship with Guy Pierce, Governing Body. Nice man....but I always came away shocked that he/they didn't seem to know much. At one point, he took an illustration from one of my public talks and incorproated it into his at a Circuit Assembly.... it always left me feeling really weird!
Hello Stacey 👋 It was Yankee Stadium for Me😢 Sitting in the Hot Sun in the 80's Tring not to fall asleep, or I would Get Pinched 😂 Ahh The Bad Old Days!!
What was This female thinking?!? FLEE! RUN!!! Admit I barely heard the content...just paid attention to the overwhelming sense of Dread & Doom! Always made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. (I was 16)😅😅😅 Especially when I looked around at the Zombies in the crowd 😮(including my parents!) Thank you for generously sharing this valuable content with us! 😊Delivered in Your Voice? Priceless Treasure! 😊!!!!! So glad things are being set right with your home! 👏👏👏🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟☯️
Another excellent podcast. It seems that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. And that is by design. You must be humble... We have no reason to be embarrassed or sorry for getting things wrong. You might want to take some community college so as to support yourself in the ministry... Higher education is not worth it w the End right around the corner. I am a mid 50s ex Dub. No savings. Little retirement. Yet, here we go again. Let's eff up another generation. I often feel like I am just trying to get to the surface after being pushed under water with a millstone around my neck, strategicly placed there by the Borg.
You're not alone Phil :( for those of us that obeyed these guys we were 'all in'.....and we are paying for it later in life. I wish I had left two decades earlier. But here we are. Big hugs to you man!
We can give you relationship advice for dating marriage and children but don't worry about going to school for 4 years because there's not enough time left!
I hope your house’s flood damage is almost repaired! I have been through some of that in 2 places, and it is NOT fun to go through in any which way! Big huge hugs!
Stacy , in our Congregation, there are no more " qualified " young brothers , so the pioneer sisters are practically our servants now Only to find out last week during the convention that there were none in the circuit 😂😂, the sisters were acting as attendants , on the sounds and the few brothers there were just doing parking
WOW!!!! Thank you for sharing this!! Incredible on so many levels. First, those poor sisters now seeing those menial tasks are nothing....but second, wow, where are all the guys??
@survivingparadisepodcast the brothers between 35 to 18 have all left at least in My circuit , the very few left are deeply indoctrinated . so in every Congregation there will be one on two and now in my circuit if you are a qualified brother and your wife is pioneering, she has to do the sound with you and a few of the servant duties. ( single pioneer sisters qualify too ) . The young man have decided not to waste their time waiting for the end . In my Congregation we don't have any qualified young brothers , the last one we had just got reproved.
I remember the good old conventions. I remember when like you mentioned getting a new dress and spending some time looking at all the hot brothers. Me and my friend would volunteer as this was a great way to be with these hot brothers..... I also remember the dramas. I was in one once. It was great. Loved that convention. It certainly wasn't boring like others.
Lol I pioneered for many years and I remember the, if the car doesn't work you still need hours. I finally got creative and started a letter-writing campaign!😂 I don't remember who I even sent them to or if I ever sent them...hilarious.
Oh, yeah, went to all those convention sites. My earliest memories are of Dodger stadium. As a kid I loved it, but dear god, those 8 days in the blistering sun 🌞 & polution so heavy you couldnt see the mountains right there, were grueling. I still feel bad for the elderly ones. Someone always fell down the steep stairs, which was just gut wrenching! But no wearing sensible shoes! The life advice given to young ones was disasterous to us all & we pay the price for following it for the rest of our lives. The dating advice is appalling! We are all paying that price too. I know of several marriages of very young teenage girls to men 30 yrs older than themselves! I know of another 30 yr spread where the woman refused a high up guy, so he retaliated by accusing her of being a lesbian to try & ruin her reputation! She was a lifelong regular pioneer, who started right out of high school & is still going as she enters her 70's! Do you think she ever lived that accusation down in that hot bed gossip mill? Its heartbreaking 💔 to hear that you I get messages about being apologetic to women & children! I get it tho. As a person with 4 brothers, & knowing the disasterous advice given to the guys, they were practically doomed to have a warped view. Sickening, the damage caused. The older I get, the more protective of animals, kids, women & the elderly, I become. You mentioned saving actual lives. I have a strange tallent for saving old men! Well, it was my privilege. My "kingdom message" never benefited anyone. And it became the very reason I had to leave. How could I recommend the org to anyone? They ruined their name! My last convention experiences were mind blowing, as I sat there looking around & saying, "did you HEAR what he just said?!!!" 🙄😒 Honestly, cant thank you enough, Surviving! You are a dear. 🦌💙
YES!!!! Oh wow, the pollution and smog was so bad....all of us getting sunburns! Those stupid umbrellas!! And the HORRIFYING counsel that ruined so many lives :(
Thanks Natasha! I've tried to fix it the past two weeks an struggling with it a bit.....working on it for the next episode, thank you for pointing it out!
This year's Convention was the most BORING I've ever attended... By the attires shown, the way sooo many were in the electronic devices, the tired applause, etc., perhaps there are many more PIMOs than previously thought...👍👍👍
Stacy thank you for your time and effort in your rebuttal of the convention. I've tried to find it so I could listen to it but no luck. Where is it located?
Just finished this, and it was depressing BUT TRUE THAT THEY ARE a DDC, and I have tried to tell my mom how it affected me badly, growing up from birth in it, and she gaslights me, saying it’s “just me” or “rare” anyone is stressing out over the awful imagery inside, and the doomsday propaganda, so it REALLY HELPS MY PSYCHE HEARING THAT EVEN ELDERS WHO DEFINITELY ARE NOT WHIMPS COULD STILL HAVE FELT THOSE FEAR RESPONSES, and mentioning how INAPPROPRIATE IT IS FOR CHILDREN TO BE SUBJECTED TO IT. Let me ask you a question though okay, Stacey? Knowing about that November 2013 “obey even if doesn’t make sense” constant rhetoric, do you think they made them watch the “Josiah drama” to make the rank and file DO anything (immoral or wrong?) They have fed us all constant “Destruction of wicked family and neighbor dramas” for literally YEARS! All the dramas I went through since 1960s-2017 or 2018 were about that “Destruction, but not just from God, but men helping! We have the “Children enemies of God” comment, and shunning daughter, son and a mother…next a father? Or will they leave that out? Anyway, the last Meeting I think I went to was a Watchtower Study when they advised women in PHYSICALLY Domestic Abusive Marriages to STAY IN THEM, when i had read an Awake Article (for the “worldly people” I guess) they described how the violence will ONLY ESCALATE so you need to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER LEAVING (I think it told everyone non JW, but us who they are “Shepherding” oh no, you sisters…YOU GOTTA STAY IN IT, or you brothers with “Alpha Females doing DA, YOU GOTTA STAY TOO!!” Anyway, so many regrets from listening to those leaders…They appeal to your self esteem to make you only have enough self esteem to buy into their propaganda and be trapped! Maybe the Movie you might want to watch is ENTRAPMENT or some title like that. By that woman that years back was in a movie about California leaving Mexico with Antonio Banderas. She has black long hair…I forget her name…Sorry, lol. Hey buy the way, you might have attended some conventions at the Cow Palace the same time once or twice. 😁
YES!! And you are NOT alone!!! Unfortunately, your mother has learned from the best gaslighters on earth. All of those subjects were devastating for children! They played with your young minds and now we are feeling it all later in life, even after you leave
YES!!! With the small bags of chips!!! it's all we had to look forward to. We lost my baby sister on those roundabout ramps......I've never seen my mother panic like that
Your laugh at brother Bell. I’m dead lol 😂 … I don’t understand how adults hearing this nonsense are not offended by the sheer stupidity of it along with being talked to like their 12 year olds.
@@survivingparadisepodcast never in my life have I had such BAD second-hand embarrassment for my best friend than when I hear those horrid men in New York talking. He has occasionally sent me links to their videos to try and “help” with whatever life issues I’m struggling with. I got to a point where I couldn’t take it anymore and basically told him that “I find it extremely insulting how they talk about people like me (who are not JW) and that I’m too stupid to know what the Bible says.” I said more but that was the gist. I’m a very literate, college-educated, critical-thinking individual. Don’t insult my intelligence. I know he meant no harm by it but holy shit after so long, I just couldn’t take it anymore
Hello there Stacy, dunno if you’ve come across the below post. Check it out and see another classical example of how this organization contradicts itself…. Really striking illustration!!!! Will Jehovah recognize you? (an illustration in a talk at an assembly) There was a farmer who raised sheep and had trouble with wolves stealing his sheep. He loved his sheep and didn't want to lose even one of them. One day the wolves came and the farmer quickly raised his rifle and POW! - killed every wolf he shot at. As he turned his rifle toward a shadow he saw a puppy wolf huddling besides a fence post shivering. The farmer felt sorry for him, picked him up, tucked him inside his coat and took him home. As time passed, the farmer grew to love the puppy wolf and took him everyday to help him tend his sheep. The sheep loved the puppy wolf too and thought of him as one of them. The puppy wolf learned to call the sheep by their names, just like the farmer did. It wasn't long before he grew to full size and the farmer trusted him to care for his sheep while he rode to town to buy supplies. Then one day the puppy wolf was running in the farmer's field and heard howling in the woods. He ran to the edge of the fence and watched as a pack of wolves approached. They seemed happy to see him although he didn't recognize them. One by one they told him of all the fun they were having, running anywhere they wanted, doing whatever they pleased...no one telling them what to do! They invited him to come on the other side of the fence with them. The puppy wolf thought about the fence, and how he'd never been on the other side of it. The more he listened he began to wonder if he was missing out on something. It only took another minute and he dug under the fence and left with the pack. For three seasons he lived with the wolves. They had plenty to eat and did whatever they wanted. It was such fun and he was glad for the choice he made. But winter came and everyone became hungry and restless. It was cold, so cold, where they had to sleep. The puppy wolf began to think about the farmer and how he'd never slept cold and never felt hunger. Soon he heard the leader of the pack announce it was time to steal some of the farmer's sheep, so they could survive the winter. The puppy wolf loudly exclaimed, "NO, they are my friends, don't hurt them". But the leader said, "You're one of us now, do as you're told!" They all began to run fast toward the farmer's property. The puppy wolf reluctantly followed. Soon they arrived and began to dig under the farmer's fence. The farmer heard his sheep cry out so he grabbed his rifle and ran to shoot at the wolves. BANG! He killed one after another and soon was face to face with a wolf backed up against the fence post who cried out, "Wait, don't shoot me. I'm the puppy you raised. I'm your friend. Don't you remember me?" But the farmer looked at the wolf and saw how matted his coat was and how he smelled like the rest of the pack.He said to the wolf, "I don't know you." He raised his rifle and shot....BANG!!! The wolf was dead! After the illustration there was silence😳🤐 in the auditorium, and then the speaker said, "Brothers, when Armageddon comes and Jesus is doing his destruction work, will he recognize you"? My dear, We can't go out - play around in the world - and then take Jehovah's forgiveness and patience for granted as if treating it casually. Always think about this "where do I stand in Jehovah's eyes?"🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Hey Stacey, iv just about stopped laughing now at your podcast, another great one by the way. Iv heard that bro Bell speak, and yes he's got the most boring monotoned voice ever. Im in my 50s too, and remember all those things you described at the beginning of your podcast, the dramas were the absolute highlight of an assembly for a young child. The rest was just a total snooze fest. It just makes me sick to my stomach how they tell our young people not to be educated, when they spend thousands on sending their legal team, or anyone else they need to college or uni to get educated for their benefit. This should be a total red flag to witnesses why it's ok for them, but not for the rank and file Jws. It's just hypocrisy at its best. The best thing that happened to me in this organisation was getting the hell out, and iv never looked back. Look forward to your next one. 🤗
LOL!! Thank you for laughing, I love it!!! I get the 'stop laughing it's annoying messages" I get it....but I can't help it at times! Wow, you've heard that guy speak? Is he related to Lett? The hypocrisy is crippling!
As a teacher this 'no higher education' thing really upset me... Such a waste of talent, dreams and personality. So glad I won't have to visit these awful, boring conventions. I always was triggered by all the talking, walking and noises in the background. So difficult to concentrate... I just was exhausted.
To be fair, these days if a brother isn't living at home that's probably a red flag because that means he has a good enough job to have moved out and might have gotten (*gasp*) an education. Tsk tsk, spiritually weak
No mention of Danish pastry or was that just a UK offering. The symposiums some were 5 or 7 parts and unfortunately sometimes the speakers would take a long pause to make sure the audience applauded. And the others speakers would follow to feed there ego not very humble all that extra time added on several minutes to the program of indoctrination and boredom.
You mention how the GB is reacting now, or using tragic events. If you look at the gu n that they depict in a photo pointing straight at the viewer! Talk about VIOLENT! It almost looks 3 D jumping out of the page!
i try not to hate but after losing my mother to the brainwashing of this religion it makes it very difficult and now i have people in my state yelling at me for just existing, like wtf humans are horrid sometimes
This hasn’t been easy listening Not you Stacy But the entire assembly talk I have never heard anything as bad as that And my mum wanted me to come to her convention I said I was sick That assembly hall is out in the bush No coffee shops around There is no way I am going to subject myself to this bore fest
Thanks for listening! The convention and talks are so dull and insulting......I understand. And as a coffee guy.....there should be a great coffee shop everywhere!
How are they going to persuade Moses or Elijah in their new paradise? These men saw Jehovah (and talked to Him) themselves? Good luck converting these people in paradise. Saint Peter will never convert. He got crucified upside down for Jesus. Speaking of Peter, why is is that no JW ever talk about Peter being crucified upside down on a stauros (and not a cross). Haven't seen any pictures of Peter crucified upside down on a stauros neither.
LOL, it's an interesting point.....the vegan diet and pet giraffe may sway them? On Peter: they don't teach that. The upside down Peter story is from scholarly standpoint, Romans lore....oh, and they believe Peter is in heaven reading this post as I write it!
lol! I am so excited , NOT! Oh lord, please help those poor misled souls! They need Jesus, not the so called ‘JW governing body’ who have appointed themselves rulers without waiting for Apostle Paul and the rest of the twelve to arrive. Won’t it be interesting when they do? Especially when Jesus, our king returns to say ‘ Why say lord, lord and you do not do the things I say!” Compare Mathew 20:25-28
After seven and after eight comes nine . The Bible , in Revelation 17:11 , mentions an eighth king . If five kings have fallen and Rome was the sixth king , then only the seventh(7) and the eighth(8) remain , and after eight comes the final single digit(9) , Revelation 17:14 . Say 78 x 9 = 702 + 87 = 789 . Fallowing the same pattern , say 45 x 6 = 270 + 51 = 321 , and 12 x 3 = 36 + 15 = 51 . Added together 789 + 321 + 51 = 1161 , birth of Baldwin IV , King of Jerusalem , the leper king . Now in reverse , say 98 x 7 = 686 + 105 = 791 , and 65 x 4 = 260 + 69 = 329 , and 32 x 1 = 32 + 33 = 65 . Added together 791 + 329 + 65 = 1185 , death of Baldwin IV , King of Jerusalem , the leper king . Isaiah 66:2 . 1185 + 1335 days(Daniel 12:12 ; 12+12=24 + 1161 = 1185 ) = 2520 days ( Seven Times ; 7 x 360 ; Daniel 4:16 ) . 607 B.C.E. minus 1B.C.E. = 606 minus 2520(Seven Times)= 1914 .
"Judgment day" (from the zoroastrian religion- Akkadian empire) was absent from original judaism (later contaminating christianity and islam) + the calculations are very wrong right from the start + Also, the book of Daniel is an hoax, majority of scholars say, + the revelation book is a catholic choice later accepted x The more you research, the more you see human manipulation in religion. All of them... = crap.
@@kyelroberson8425 I already gave him/her the answer, starting from the "judgment day" belonging to the zoroastrian religion later passed on by human influence into judaism, christianity and islamism, that the book of daniel is not recognized by biblical scholars for being an hoax, and that the book of revelation was only later added by acceptance from the... catholic church under "holly spirit influence" (seems jehovah is like the babylon harlot here), but he/she deleted his/her and my answer. Well, the end result is always the same, delete it or not.
Well.... listen......respectfully ..... Charles Taze Russell also came to similar conclusions by pulling out a ruler and measuring the Egyptian pyramids..... know what I'm saying? He was 100% wrong on everything he ever said. I'm going to go with that fact.
Great episode. This religion definitely ruined my life as well, primarily through the nonsense related in that talk. I will disagree with you on the advice about how a man treats his mother. Even secular sources advise women to pay attention to how a man treats women and especially his mom. Not sure why you found it so absurd.
It's very damaging to all of us! On treating your mother well: ABSOLUTELY!!!!! I put a lot of weight in that.....however, when compared in the light of Jehovah's Witnesses, you immediately realize he is talking about teenage, JW guys....who go from mom to wife.......and that is NOT healthy at all.
Hey Stacy! I leave the Jw world in 12 months, making a second savings account. Emergency funds, then moving out!
All the best dear
YES! Good for you! Welcome to freedom....be kind to yourself!
@@survivingparadisepodcast thank you also I have some brown skid marks in my pants, just thinking about!
Keep us posted on how it work out for you!
@@coldboltlighting1237 LOL!!!!!!
I used to love the conventions. We were a low-income family growing up, so it was our only "vacation" we would take. Travel, hotels, pools, restaurants, the Drama. And yes, although I had NO game, it was my one chance per year to try and find a cute sister to date outside of my tiny town. Although I am 100% POMO, I still look nostalgically at those times.
We were the same single parent family! it was like a vacation when we were younger....our friends, a pool....and slogging through endless nauseating messaging. I'm glad you're out!!
Stacey you're so universally relatable to any generation of ExJW, i often forget that you predate me a few years. I'm too young for the 8 day conventions, my parents experienced those. But i do remember cooking for days straight at Yankee Stadium in 98 degree, 105 hummidity weather as a boy. Huge baseball fan, just waiting for the Yankees and Red Sox to take the field as a reward after I was done sitting through all the boring talking. And nothing to show for it but a spanking when i, the 5 year old, inevitably fell asleep during this nonsense 😫. It's that weird trauma bonding that keeps me coming back, thanks for making my morning as always buddy!
Ditto for me Stacey! I feel like I know you as our ages overlap!
So there is such a thing as overlapping generations. 😉
My man!!!! So good to see you, thanks my friend! Those traumas are real! I'm a big Ram's fan, so going to the SoCal assemblies was all about getting a look at the field. I forgot to mention Pasadena. But in San Francisco, they had all the concert photos on the walls of all my favorite bands.....so during lunch, it was all about checking out Van Halen! LOL! I fell asleep constantly.....I had a lifetime of Lifesavers in my bag to keep me awake..... then we graduated to binoculars to look at other people around the stadium. Insane memories..... the sunburns in California were REAL!
@@Daz62_06 Love it!!!!
@@Womanmad1 LOL LOL, I see what you did there!
57 years ago I graduated from high school, a “good witness” raised a family in the “truth”, towed the company line,regular service , a bunch of “quick builds”, made it to be an M S , but was deleated because I didn’t keep up to the national average. Woke up at the beginning of the pandemic, now my two kids have disowned me (pointing at me and declaring that I’m an apostate). So I did I end up? I’m living on what Uncle Sam gives me as an allowance. No family, a few worldly friends and nothing to look forward to. But at least I’m free of that HATEFUL CULT! Your talk brought back a lot of memories , to be fair some good and some bad. Thanks Stacy!,,,
You know, while I understand family IS everything. My family doesn't bother with me. Noe, we're not JW but my dad did & younger brother, study with them in the door to door sales they do. I have no one but handful of people , the gov pennies, yet not the fake . Sometimes with change comes a reality of change people, places, & things just like breaking a bad habit. I did,'nt have kiddos , had been a bonus mom , but they're off busy. You can have friends here in people who can relate, not know, but similar endings AND beginnings too !! I wish you the best !! From NY state
SO sorry Fred!!! you don't deserve that!! It's terrible how this cult divides families..... you're not alone!
@@murlepeterson6028 It's odd, but I have never missed my extended family either. It didn't have the devastating impact SO many people have to face
@@survivingparadisepodcastFor sure you are not alone
Lol by the time I was in, the District Conventions were only 4 days. But since I was from a very small town with no friends, it was the event of the year for me!! I think I would have loved an 8-day convention. Ours were either in San Antonio or at the Astrodome in Houston!
Being rejected by the JW elders in 2009 was one of the best things that happened to me. Saved me time and heartbreak, and being called an apostate. I remember as a kid, they were against Jehovah and his rule. Now I know it's anyone that questions them and or leaves. Thanks for your talks.😊
SO glad you dodged it! I left in 2009.....a BIG year for us both!
Last day of the convention at the Cow Palace in the ‘80’s waiting to score one of the live plants or flowers from the floor around the stage! 😹😹
I remember my parents aquiring a few of those plants 😂
WOW!!! you just triggered a MASSIVE MEMORY!!! I forgot about the free plants on the last day!!!!
What? We had to buy those plants and flowers and I'm convinced they made a nice profit!
What's amazing is the JWs that heard the counsel 57 years ago telling them to not pursue higher education because Armageddon is imminent, still get excited to attend the convention in 2024, where they are hearing the EXACT SAME THING... and they still believe.
"Life saving direction" = the carrot on a stick.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 my mother!!!
@@adamantiumbullet9215 Many of those very people who swallowed that bait back in the 60s are now poor, broke, alone, disillusioned, disappointed, and dead or dying from old age, and that is the true reward and result of the Governing Body‘s BS that’s delivered to those putting faith and trust in men. Psalms 146:3.
Isn't it incredible when you sit back and realize how BAD this is....sometimes it really hits you. The same lie....decade after decade.....this year's convention is JUST as bad!
@@cultytalkmy mother also
Late 90's. Veterans stadium Philadelphia. Sitting under a scorching sun with thousands of others wishing I was somewhere else. Ah the memories. My only salvation was walking around in the shade during intermission eyeballing all the hot young sisters.
I've been there too! Wow, that old stadium was something else!
"Is he kind to his mother and does he help her around the house?"
Well, at 30 years-old he shouldn't still be living at home, but since he followed Watchtower's counsel to not get an education and just be a content coal shoveler, and he can't afford to move out or get married, it is what it is.
Bell's comment is truly hilarious, coming from a Bethel baby who has other people (not his mother) do his laundry and cook for him, all on the dime of JWs who actually work for a living.
YES!!!!! Exactly!!!!! it was a subtle admission that teenagers have a delayed journey to adulthood in most cultures! I'm all for helping your mother....but the way he shared that it is obvious they know these kids go from kids to marriages.....insane!!!
The video offers several critical insights and lessons learned from observing the 2024 Jehovah's Witness Convention, particularly regarding the organization's stance on education, careers, and social expectations:
1. **Skepticism Toward Secular Education and Careers:**
- The convention discourages higher education and career pursuits outside the organization, labeling them as potentially harmful or "toxic." This reflects a broader organizational emphasis on prioritizing religious duties over personal or professional development.
2. **Encouragement of Full-Time Service:**
- Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to dedicate themselves to full-time ministry work, such as pioneering or other organizational roles, as the "best life ever" before Armageddon. This is presented as more fulfilling and meaningful compared to secular careers.
3. **Emphasis on Obedience and Conformity:**
- The talks and presentations stress the importance of obedience to the governing body's guidance, suggesting that questioning or deviating from these instructions is viewed negatively. This includes adhering to organizational standards in areas like education, career choices, and personal behavior.
4. **Traditional Gender Roles and Dating Guidance:**
- The video critiques the advice given to young women regarding dating and marriage, emphasizing the need for choosing partners who align with the organization's values and who are actively engaged in ministry work. This advice also includes assessing potential mates based on their relationship with their parents and their commitment to the faith.
5. **Critique of Content and Quality of Convention Presentations:**
- The host critiques the perceived decline in the quality of the convention's presentations, including the use of overly simplistic or outdated messaging and a lack of engaging content. This reflects a broader dissatisfaction with the organization's approach to modern issues and education.
6. **Impact on Personal Development and Well-being:**
- The video discusses the long-term impact on individuals who follow these teachings, including potential missed opportunities for personal growth, financial stability, and educational advancement. It suggests that the organization's stance can lead to a restricted life experience, limited by a narrow set of beliefs and expectations.
Overall, the lessons learned from the video revolve around the potential consequences of following strict religious guidelines at the expense of personal and professional development, as well as the importance of critical thinking and questioning established doctrines.
I always love your insights Michael
SPOT ON! Thank you, Stacey for saying it all EXACTLY AS YOU DID!! Perfectly said!
thank you!!
Hey Sir it called the Regional Convention now! When we were both young we called it the District Assembly, remember? Then it was the District Convention, as you stated in your Podcast. Now it's called the Regional Convention. Terminology. One has to get the current terminology right or you look as if you aren't spiritual, you aren't keeping up with the times. We have to have the correct spiritual terminology. I've found this out over the last couple of years. Love your memories and take on things. Thanks for what you do.
Yes, I stopped at : district assembly... 🤣
@@natashapeeters988me too, but I'm glad of the explanation because I couldn't remember which assemblies were the district and which were the circuit after being out so long and the changes in name doesn't help.
@@jwresearcherrose yes they call it keeping up with Jehovah‘s chariot. it’s laughable.
@@charlesmorris6476 🙄
You're the best, THANK YOU for correcting me, you're so right! LOL, I'm showing my age!!! I'm glad you corrected that here....it really hits me some weeks how 'old news' my experiences are in 2024....it's a completely different religion. I look forward to collaborating!!
Great episode. Makes me sad for so many who have given up their lives for this org. Very sad.
Which church are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus Christ said? Matthew 10:16, 24:14, 28:19-20, Mark 13:10, if not only only only the Jehovah's witnesses..
@@vusimngomezulu2500 The only reason you don't know about the others who are doing or attempting to do the same thing is because you are not allowed to research that. When you do and you find your answers, come back to me. I'll be happy to discuss.
@@rdhawk929 but your ignore my simple question 😭
@@vusimngomezulu2500 You didn't read my response thoroughly. You would have seen my answer.
It’s cult recruitment please research your organisation throughly you can use their own material start with the harp of God “millions now living will never die”!!!
Yankee stadium..... Rose bowl...... Worked in the "snack bar" making hoagies and pastrami sandwiches... My bestie's BIL was the cleaning dept head, so yep.... Remember those smells...... 🤮 I played the accordion... Yep I was that kid, in the orchestra..... Anything to not have to set and try not to "nod off". I made so many costumes for those dramas it was scary...... Made those fake beards......
😂😂...... Pioneered for a lot of years in a congregation where they "needed" help covering their territory...... Yep..... Spent many years putting data bases together for ppl who had abilities to build Assembly Halls. My dad was cong overseer, city overseer, and assembly overseer so I was raised in the thick of it...... walked away 48 yrs ago...... At 75, I still have issues with guilt and fear, although after making my career working in mental health I am so much calmer and actually enjoy my life!!
Wow you played accordian??!! Amazing...oh the memories! I remember making sandwiches too! oh those make shift kitchens. The Cleaning Dept was the WORST!Those smells were SO BAD!!!
Yes, I remember all of it. You must’ve been there at dodger Stadium when I was there too and yes, I remember the heart with the lights on it, and when it was speaking to it’s brain, the red lights all over the heart would light up on the heart to the rhythm of the words. And yes, I remember the live orchestra. By the way, I used to go over to the brother that conducted the orchestras house to go swimming at their fancy Hollywood home, even met brother Nathan Knorr, which was a big deal to me at the time. I’ve met and had discussions in the past with some Governing Body members way back when, not that that’s a big deal because I certainly was disappointed with those experiences. The governing body were nothing like I imagine them to be spiritually.😞 They were businesslike, distant and shallow, too busy and important to be bothered with witness peasants even when they had some rare spare time on their hands. Their videos are like terribly retarded acting and boring to tears infomercials.
WOW Charles....next level!!! You met King Knorr??? I too had a close friendship with Guy Pierce, Governing Body. Nice man....but I always came away shocked that he/they didn't seem to know much. At one point, he took an illustration from one of my public talks and incorproated it into his at a Circuit Assembly.... it always left me feeling really weird!
@@survivingparadisepodcast yes I could identify Guy Pierce in a police lineup but never met him personally.
😂 please Stacey, I love how you deliver the assembly content 💜
Thank you!!!! :)
Hello Stacey 👋 It was Yankee Stadium for Me😢 Sitting in the Hot Sun in the 80's Tring not to fall asleep, or I would Get Pinched 😂 Ahh The Bad Old Days!!
LOL! People don't remember how we had to battle the SUN!!!! Those crazy umbrellas that attached the arm of the stadium chairs!
What was This female thinking?!? FLEE! RUN!!! Admit I barely heard the content...just paid attention to the overwhelming sense of Dread & Doom! Always made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. (I was 16)😅😅😅 Especially when I looked around at the Zombies in the crowd 😮(including my parents!)
Thank you for generously sharing this valuable content with us! 😊Delivered in Your Voice? Priceless Treasure!
😊!!!!!
So glad things are being set right with your home! 👏👏👏🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟☯️
Awww, thanks Cindy! YES....everything you said here is so true. Zombies....kids wanting to break free. All we heard was doom, doom, doom
@@survivingparadisepodcast so welcome! 🤗
Another excellent podcast. It seems that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. And that is by design. You must be humble... We have no reason to be embarrassed or sorry for getting things wrong. You might want to take some community college so as to support yourself in the ministry... Higher education is not worth it w the End right around the corner. I am a mid 50s ex Dub. No savings. Little retirement. Yet, here we go again. Let's eff up another generation. I often feel like I am just trying to get to the surface after being pushed under water with a millstone around my neck, strategicly placed there by the Borg.
You're not alone Phil :( for those of us that obeyed these guys we were 'all in'.....and we are paying for it later in life. I wish I had left two decades earlier. But here we are. Big hugs to you man!
We can give you relationship advice for dating marriage and children but don't worry about going to school for 4 years because there's not enough time left!
exactly!!! Imagine them giving people love life advice!!!
Happy Early Birthday!! We enjoy your thinking videos! Have a great day tomorrow August 1!
Thank you, you too!
I hope your house’s flood damage is almost repaired! I have been through some of that in 2 places, and it is NOT fun to go through in any which way! Big huge hugs!
Thank you! We are getting close!!! It's been a month....I'm not sure I'll get my hearing back.....seven industrical fans, saws....so loud!
Thanks, Stacey! ❤❤❤👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Cow palace!!!! So nice and cool. Dodgers....so freaking hot!!!!!
Yes to both!!! I always liked looking at the concert photos on the wall at the Cow Palace....especially KISS! LOL.....the irony
Thank you Stacy. 💜
Thank YOU!
Hey, Stacy..."Brother Bell" really got under your skin this week 😂😂😂lmao...Thank you.
#exjwbaptized@9
Brian Gibbs
LOL, some of that is calculated my friend....and very sarcastic ;)
I remember it all 🥴
Sounds like we went to all the same conventions in the 70’s and 80’s 😣😖😵💫
Those were the days!! Sister trying to look like Madonna....but only kinda LOL!
Lucky you it's bloody windy here in Newcastle Australia and cold
Hi....I love the wind!
Stacy , in our Congregation, there are no more " qualified " young brothers , so the pioneer sisters are practically our servants now
Only to find out last week during the convention that there were none in the circuit 😂😂, the sisters were acting as attendants , on the sounds and the few brothers there were just doing parking
WOW!!!! Thank you for sharing this!! Incredible on so many levels. First, those poor sisters now seeing those menial tasks are nothing....but second, wow, where are all the guys??
@survivingparadisepodcast the brothers between 35 to 18 have all left at least in My circuit , the very few left are deeply indoctrinated . so in every Congregation there will be one on two and now in my circuit if you are a qualified brother and your wife is pioneering, she has to do the sound with you and a few of the servant duties.
( single pioneer sisters qualify too ) . The young man have decided not to waste their time waiting for the end .
In my Congregation we don't have any qualified young brothers , the last one we had just got reproved.
Thanks
unless your name is venus williams
Edit- Serena
She has different rules..... cash reigns
Stacey it's been awhile... miss that voice... much love man!
I remember the good old conventions. I remember when like you mentioned getting a new dress and spending some time looking at all the hot brothers. Me and my friend would volunteer as this was a great way to be with these hot brothers..... I also remember the dramas. I was in one once. It was great. Loved that convention. It certainly wasn't boring like others.
LOL, yes!!! Trust me, we thought the same about you sisters. The hallways were dangerous places during talks! LOL
Lol I pioneered for many years and I remember the, if the car doesn't work you still need hours. I finally got creative and started a letter-writing campaign!😂 I don't remember who I even sent them to or if I ever sent them...hilarious.
Yes ❤
thank you!!
Head nod, drool...yeah!!!!
So true lol
Oh, yeah, went to all those convention sites. My earliest memories are of Dodger stadium. As a kid I loved it, but dear god, those 8 days in the blistering sun 🌞 & polution so heavy you couldnt see the mountains right there, were grueling. I still feel bad for the elderly ones. Someone always fell down the steep stairs, which was just gut wrenching! But no wearing sensible shoes!
The life advice given to young ones was disasterous to us all & we pay the price for following it for the rest of our lives.
The dating advice is appalling! We are all paying that price too. I know of several marriages of very young teenage girls to men 30 yrs older than themselves! I know of another 30 yr spread where the woman refused a high up guy, so he retaliated by accusing her of being a lesbian to try & ruin her reputation! She was a lifelong regular pioneer, who started right out of high school & is still going as she enters her 70's! Do you think she ever lived that accusation down in that hot bed gossip mill?
Its heartbreaking 💔 to hear that you I get messages about being apologetic to women & children! I get it tho. As a person with 4 brothers, & knowing the disasterous advice given to the guys, they were practically doomed to have a warped view. Sickening, the damage caused. The older I get, the more protective of animals, kids, women & the elderly, I become. You mentioned saving actual lives. I have a strange tallent for saving old men! Well, it was my privilege. My "kingdom message" never benefited anyone. And it became the very reason I had to leave. How could I recommend the org to anyone? They ruined their name!
My last convention experiences were mind blowing, as I sat there looking around & saying, "did you HEAR what he just said?!!!" 🙄😒
Honestly, cant thank you enough, Surviving! You are a dear. 🦌💙
YES!!!! Oh wow, the pollution and smog was so bad....all of us getting sunburns! Those stupid umbrellas!! And the HORRIFYING counsel that ruined so many lives :(
Do you think you might be able to maybe do a video describing CO visit and how each JW really IS JUST A NUMBER?
I love it, thank you for the suggestion! YES!
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Just saying, I don't know if you are aware that your microphone has sometimes problems...just in the 2 last episodes. Not a big deal... 🙂
Thanks Natasha! I've tried to fix it the past two weeks an struggling with it a bit.....working on it for the next episode, thank you for pointing it out!
This year's Convention was the most BORING I've ever attended... By the attires shown, the way sooo many were in the electronic devices, the tired applause, etc., perhaps there are many more PIMOs than previously thought...👍👍👍
I'm still watching it and it's SO BAD.....the level of speakers has gotten so much worse
First ..
👸🏻🍻☕️💪🏼🪴💕
Let’s get this party started. And by party, I mean comfy jammies & a soft pillow. 😂
Yeah, me too 😉
Stacy thank you for your time and effort in your rebuttal of the convention. I've tried to find it so I could listen to it but no luck. Where is it located?
Corridor crusaders! Corvallis and Tacoma dome here! Lol
LOL!!!! We probably crossed paths!!!! I was at both!!!
Just finished this, and it was depressing BUT TRUE THAT THEY ARE a DDC, and I have tried to tell my mom how it affected me badly, growing up from birth in it, and she gaslights me, saying it’s “just me” or “rare” anyone is stressing out over the awful imagery inside, and the doomsday propaganda, so it REALLY HELPS MY PSYCHE HEARING THAT EVEN ELDERS WHO DEFINITELY ARE NOT WHIMPS COULD STILL HAVE FELT THOSE FEAR RESPONSES, and mentioning how INAPPROPRIATE IT IS FOR CHILDREN TO BE SUBJECTED TO IT.
Let me ask you a question though okay, Stacey? Knowing about that November 2013 “obey even if doesn’t make sense” constant rhetoric, do you think they made them watch the “Josiah drama” to make the rank and file DO anything (immoral or wrong?) They have fed us all constant “Destruction of wicked family and neighbor dramas” for literally YEARS! All the dramas I went through since 1960s-2017 or 2018 were about that “Destruction, but not just from God, but men helping! We have the “Children enemies of God” comment, and shunning daughter, son and a mother…next a father? Or will they leave that out? Anyway, the last Meeting I think I went to was a Watchtower Study when they advised women in PHYSICALLY Domestic Abusive Marriages to STAY IN THEM, when i had read an Awake Article (for the “worldly people” I guess) they described how the violence will ONLY ESCALATE so you need to SERIOUSLY CONSIDER LEAVING (I think it told everyone non JW, but us who they are “Shepherding” oh no, you sisters…YOU GOTTA STAY IN IT, or you brothers with “Alpha Females doing DA, YOU GOTTA STAY TOO!!” Anyway, so many regrets from listening to those leaders…They appeal to your self esteem to make you only have enough self esteem to buy into their propaganda and be trapped! Maybe the Movie you might want to watch is ENTRAPMENT or some title like that. By that woman that years back was in a movie about California leaving Mexico with Antonio Banderas. She has black long hair…I forget her name…Sorry, lol.
Hey buy the way, you might have attended some conventions at the Cow Palace the same time once or twice. 😁
YES!! And you are NOT alone!!! Unfortunately, your mother has learned from the best gaslighters on earth. All of those subjects were devastating for children! They played with your young minds and now we are feeling it all later in life, even after you leave
The best people for who ???, Almighty God ? or the 9 strange guys that most jws will never meet in person ?, sorry I meant the " gov-bdy " 😢
Imagine actually saying that about yourself.....
Remember the "hoagies" at Jack Murphy stadium -- AKA "barfies"?
YES!!! With the small bags of chips!!! it's all we had to look forward to. We lost my baby sister on those roundabout ramps......I've never seen my mother panic like that
I loved the hoagie and also was always on the hunt for the elusive Danish with cream cheese!😂
Your laugh at brother Bell. I’m dead lol 😂 … I don’t understand how adults hearing this nonsense are not offended by the sheer stupidity of it along with being talked to like their 12 year olds.
Right?? LOL, I can't help it....it's so absurd....how do they listen to this crap?
@@survivingparadisepodcast never in my life have I had such BAD second-hand embarrassment for my best friend than when I hear those horrid men in New York talking. He has occasionally sent me links to their videos to try and “help” with whatever life issues I’m struggling with. I got to a point where I couldn’t take it anymore and basically told him that “I find it extremely insulting how they talk about people like me (who are not JW) and that I’m too stupid to know what the Bible says.” I said more but that was the gist. I’m a very literate, college-educated, critical-thinking individual. Don’t insult my intelligence. I know he meant no harm by it but holy shit after so long, I just couldn’t take it anymore
I remember those sandwiches they made… I always thought they were good, but I was a hungry child…
Oh yeah, and the breakfast sandwiches!
Hello there Stacy, dunno if you’ve come across the below post. Check it out and see another classical example of how this organization contradicts itself….
Really striking illustration!!!!
Will Jehovah recognize you? (an illustration in a talk at an assembly)
There was a farmer who raised sheep and had trouble with wolves stealing his sheep. He loved his sheep and didn't want to lose even one of them.
One day the wolves
came and the farmer quickly raised his rifle and POW! - killed every wolf he shot at. As he turned his rifle toward a shadow he saw a puppy wolf huddling besides a fence post shivering.
The farmer felt sorry for him, picked him up, tucked him inside his coat and took him home.
As time passed, the farmer grew to love the puppy wolf and took him everyday to help him tend his sheep. The sheep loved the puppy wolf too and thought of him as one of them. The puppy wolf learned to call the sheep by their names, just like the farmer did. It wasn't long before he grew to full size and the farmer trusted him to care for his sheep while he rode to town to buy supplies.
Then one day the puppy wolf was running in the farmer's field and heard howling in the woods. He ran to the edge of the fence and watched as a pack of wolves approached. They seemed happy to see him although he didn't recognize them. One by one they told him of all the fun they were having, running anywhere they wanted, doing whatever they pleased...no one telling them what to do! They invited him to come on the other side of the fence with them. The puppy wolf thought about the fence, and how he'd never been on the other side of it.
The more he listened he began to wonder if he was missing out on something. It only took another minute and he dug under the fence and left with the pack.
For three seasons he lived with the wolves. They had plenty to eat and did whatever they wanted. It was such fun and he was glad for the choice he made. But winter came and everyone became hungry and restless. It was cold, so cold, where they had to sleep. The puppy wolf began to think about the farmer and how he'd never slept cold and never felt hunger. Soon he heard the leader of the pack announce it was time to steal some of the farmer's sheep, so they could survive the winter.
The puppy wolf loudly exclaimed, "NO, they are my friends, don't hurt them". But the leader said, "You're one of us now, do as you're told!" They all began to run fast toward the farmer's property. The puppy wolf reluctantly followed. Soon they arrived and began to dig under the farmer's fence. The farmer heard his sheep cry out so he grabbed his rifle and ran to shoot at the wolves. BANG! He killed one after another and soon was face to face with a wolf backed up against the fence post who cried out, "Wait, don't shoot me. I'm the puppy you raised. I'm your friend. Don't you remember me?"
But the farmer looked at the wolf and saw how matted his coat was and how he smelled like the rest of the pack.He said to the wolf, "I don't know you." He raised his rifle and shot....BANG!!! The wolf was dead!
After the illustration there was silence😳🤐 in the auditorium, and then the speaker said, "Brothers, when Armageddon comes and Jesus is doing his destruction work, will he recognize you"?
My dear,
We can't go out - play around in the world - and then take Jehovah's forgiveness and patience for granted as if treating it casually.
Always think about this "where do I stand in Jehovah's eyes?"🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
WOW!!! great stuff! I might steal this! LOL.....this relates well to past episodes on sheep!!!
Hey Stacey, iv just about stopped laughing now at your podcast, another great one by the way. Iv heard that bro Bell speak, and yes he's got the most boring monotoned voice ever. Im in my 50s too, and remember all those things you described at the beginning of your podcast, the dramas were the absolute highlight of an assembly for a young child. The rest was just a total snooze fest. It just makes me sick to my stomach how they tell our young people not to be educated, when they spend thousands on sending their legal team, or anyone else they need to college or uni to get educated for their benefit. This should be a total red flag to witnesses why it's ok for them, but not for the rank and file Jws. It's just hypocrisy at its best. The best thing that happened to me in this organisation was getting the hell out, and iv never looked back. Look forward to your next one. 🤗
LOL!! Thank you for laughing, I love it!!! I get the 'stop laughing it's annoying messages" I get it....but I can't help it at times! Wow, you've heard that guy speak? Is he related to Lett? The hypocrisy is crippling!
Witty as always. Definitely remember the old dramas and the dreaded symposiums … even the dreaded worst toilet stenches ever 🤮😂. Worst life ever !!!
LOL, thanks Tim, glad I'm not alone!! those bathrooms......so gross!
As a teacher this 'no higher education' thing really upset me...
Such a waste of talent, dreams and personality.
So glad I won't have to visit these awful, boring conventions. I always was triggered by all the talking, walking and noises in the background. So difficult to concentrate...
I just was exhausted.
:( love teachers....and you're right.....can you imagine the LOST potential....all those people and talents?
To be fair, these days if a brother isn't living at home that's probably a red flag because that means he has a good enough job to have moved out and might have gotten (*gasp*) an education.
Tsk tsk, spiritually weak
Right? YES! Imagine that!!!
Ooohhh... The famous and constant "Green Handshake" from the Men-worshippers...🤑🤑🤑
LOL, don't forget the wink and a smile.....and the hope that the CO will give you a talk at the next convention LOL
Wow ! I can't believe that they still saying the same bs with no shame at all...
They have NO shame......they don't care who gets harmed
No mention of Danish pastry or was that just a UK offering.
The symposiums some were 5 or 7 parts and unfortunately sometimes the speakers would take a long pause to make sure the audience applauded. And the others speakers would follow to feed there ego not very humble all that extra time added on several minutes to the program of indoctrination and boredom.
You mention how the GB is reacting now, or using tragic events. If you look at the gu n that they depict in a photo pointing straight at the viewer! Talk about VIOLENT! It almost looks 3 D jumping out of the page!
I saw that on the website!!! it was creepy....disconcerting
i try not to hate but after losing my mother to the brainwashing of this religion it makes it very difficult and now i have people in my state yelling at me for just existing, like wtf humans are horrid sometimes
It's okay to be angry.....many of us are.....my mother is still in. I have anger too
I genuinely believe that holy Spirit led me here.
The podcaster honestly doesn't believe it did
@@kyelroberson8425 No, no I do not....but glad they came!
Well, I hope something was helpful.....but as for holy spirit..... well......see a past episode. I am however grateful you're here!
if your smart u,ll go back its this best thing for u
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This hasn’t been easy listening Not you Stacy But the entire assembly talk I have never heard anything as bad as that And my mum wanted me to come to her convention I said I was sick That assembly hall is out in the bush No coffee shops around There is no way I am going to subject myself to this bore fest
Thanks for listening! The convention and talks are so dull and insulting......I understand. And as a coffee guy.....there should be a great coffee shop everywhere!
8 day conventions? You sound good for 80, lol
LOL, nope, they had them in the 70's! I was a little dude.....and I often slept on the concrete between aisles ;)
How are they going to persuade Moses or Elijah in their new paradise? These men saw Jehovah (and talked to Him) themselves? Good luck converting these people in paradise. Saint Peter will never convert. He got crucified upside down for Jesus. Speaking of Peter, why is is that no JW ever talk about Peter being crucified upside down on a stauros (and not a cross). Haven't seen any pictures of Peter crucified upside down on a stauros neither.
LOL, it's an interesting point.....the vegan diet and pet giraffe may sway them? On Peter: they don't teach that. The upside down Peter story is from scholarly standpoint, Romans lore....oh, and they believe Peter is in heaven reading this post as I write it!
2024 Conversation Suck and Not Good Enough
It's really bad
lol! I am so excited , NOT! Oh lord, please help those poor misled souls! They need Jesus, not the so called ‘JW governing body’ who have appointed themselves rulers without waiting for Apostle Paul and the rest of the twelve to arrive. Won’t it be interesting when they do? Especially when Jesus, our king returns to say ‘ Why say lord, lord and you do not do the things I say!” Compare Mathew 20:25-28
You're still delusional.
You may as well stayed a JW
Wellllllllll..............thanks for being here and I hope something was helpful, but I don't personally believe in Jesus or the 12 returning....
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That breaks my heart,😢
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After seven and after eight comes nine . The Bible , in Revelation 17:11 , mentions an eighth king . If five kings have fallen and Rome was the sixth king , then only the seventh(7) and the eighth(8) remain , and after eight comes the final single digit(9) , Revelation 17:14 . Say 78 x 9 = 702 + 87 = 789 . Fallowing the same pattern , say 45 x 6 = 270 + 51 = 321 , and 12 x 3 = 36 + 15 = 51 . Added together 789 + 321 + 51 = 1161 , birth of Baldwin IV , King of Jerusalem , the leper king . Now in reverse , say 98 x 7 = 686 + 105 = 791 , and 65 x 4 = 260 + 69 = 329 , and 32 x 1 = 32 + 33 = 65 . Added together 791 + 329 + 65 = 1185 , death of Baldwin IV , King of Jerusalem , the leper king . Isaiah 66:2 . 1185 + 1335 days(Daniel 12:12 ; 12+12=24 + 1161 = 1185 ) = 2520 days ( Seven Times ; 7 x 360 ; Daniel 4:16 ) . 607 B.C.E. minus 1B.C.E. = 606 minus 2520(Seven Times)= 1914 .
"Judgment day" (from the zoroastrian religion- Akkadian empire) was absent from original judaism (later contaminating christianity and islam) + the calculations are very wrong right from the start + Also, the book of Daniel is an hoax, majority of scholars say, + the revelation book is a catholic choice later accepted x The more you research, the more you see human manipulation in religion. All of them... = crap.
Nothing happened in 607BCE
@@kyelroberson8425 I already gave him/her the answer, starting from the "judgment day" belonging to the zoroastrian religion later passed on by human influence into judaism, christianity and islamism, that the book of daniel is not recognized by biblical scholars for being an hoax, and that the book of revelation was only later added by acceptance from the... catholic church under "holly spirit influence" (seems jehovah is like the babylon harlot here), but he/she deleted his/her and my answer. Well, the end result is always the same, delete it or not.
Well.... listen......respectfully ..... Charles Taze Russell also came to similar conclusions by pulling out a ruler and measuring the Egyptian pyramids..... know what I'm saying? He was 100% wrong on everything he ever said. I'm going to go with that fact.
Great episode. This religion definitely ruined my life as well, primarily through the nonsense related in that talk.
I will disagree with you on the advice about how a man treats his mother. Even secular sources advise women to pay attention to how a man treats women and especially his mom. Not sure why you found it so absurd.
It's very damaging to all of us! On treating your mother well: ABSOLUTELY!!!!! I put a lot of weight in that.....however, when compared in the light of Jehovah's Witnesses, you immediately realize he is talking about teenage, JW guys....who go from mom to wife.......and that is NOT healthy at all.
I’m only 20 mins in and damnnnn🫢🤣
Whew 😅
LOL, I hope that's good! :)