Yes I would agree, Tesla should absolutely reflect real world driving distance. But they don't because they like the idea of letting people believe that they have more range than the average electric vehicle for almost the same money.
EPA range is indeed calculated based on driving 60% city - 40% highway with 60 mph max speeds. But EPA numbers have changed in the last years. It took about 100 years to get the EPA right for the ICEV. For the same two cars presented in the video, in 2024 : > EPA Tesla Model Y LR AWD : 308 miles > EPA Tesla Model Y Performance : 279 miles These last values reflect very well the reality of the real life driving (10% difference is not that much IMO, even my Ford Focus rated 32 mpg was doing 28 mpg in real life).
I did a round trip to Yellowstone this summer on Model Y LR. My average for the whole trip of ~2500 miles was 258 Wh/ml. Probably 3/4 of this distance was highway driving. Chill mode only. On a highway I tried to stay most of the time below or at 70mph. Would have been even better if not for a very hot day on the way back which raised the avg from 253 to 258Wh/ml. My last 5k miles avg is 279Wh/m with mostly short distance city driving.
258 Wh/mi is actually pretty good considering it was mostly highway driving. Odd that your in town driving yielded higher Wh/mi. May I ask what type of driving habits were you doing in town during those 5k miles? Any heavy acceleration? Driving up hills? Heavy climate control use?
@sunchiadventures it is mostly short distance with a lot of stop and go. Longer trips avg can go into 240 wh/m territory, but the majority of short ones are 300-310. Also, it was really hot lately, so A/C might be to blame.
i Have a2023 model Y. milage 12100 miles. Average 249 Kw/m. City 60%, Hwy 40%. Last fall drove 254 miles at 55mph, on 74% of battery. I drive as if I have a trunk full of eggs.
@@sunchiadventures That said, the whole EV range thing is overhyped. I've driven many ICEs with real-world range of 350 to 700 miles until recently and never felt a significant difference.
@@SigitasPetraitis In town driving, these cars are great. We drive long distances to go to various National Parks and the range and charging infrastructure become a factor pretty quickly. Some areas we go to are pretty remote and that is when I need to be more cautious when calculating range and getting to a nearby SC.
@@RoseSSlots well feel free to reach out if you have any questions. I would be happy to help. And thank you for your continued support of this channel.
What about all the energy wasted in Park mode? This is not a factor for ICE vehicles. My Y wasted around 9% weekly in which is not accounted in the avg kw/mi calculation.
I don’t just take the kWh/ mile given from the Tesla screen. Because in real world you won’t even get the actual miles from your calculation. Simple math: if you drive 200 actual miles and energy consumed 254 miles the 200/254=78.74% (21.26% wasted) 😂
That number is BS in the car. My model 3 shows an average of 230-240wh/mi which is 10-15% less than what the wall charger shows. On top of that, the percentages provided by the car miss 15-30% depending on the trip. I'm not getting rid of them and will continue to buy Tesla but the numbers are BS.
My MYLR gets 240-280 miles depending on weather and road conditions. I always turn on AC or heat and heated seat and steering wheel. But I’m not complaining. It happens to ICEs too.
More range is always nice to have. We definitely make more stops on road trips to charge in an EV than we do in our ICE. Sometimes it works out great and sometimes we just prefer to keep driving without needing to stop to charge. The Supercharger network is reliable and a huge factor on why we went electric, I can't imagine how terrible it is using the other charging stations.
@@michaelcollier8768I had a civic hx for years, I was part of an online hypermile club. I was able to achieve 60mpg in a regular gas car from the 90s that had an epa sticker mpg rating of 30/39mpg because I drove 55-60mph with draconian control limits on my acceleration and movements. You can achieve the tested range but not driving 70mph and zipping around. You need to drive with extreme mindfulness on efficiency. Of course that’s not “real world” driving, but that doesn’t mean it’s not possible.
Right, then it is "Rocket Science" and not normal driving. The MY is a great car and this discussion is about "normal" driving range. There are times when I need the xtra range and go light on the pedal, heat, speed, etc. but that is not normal driving.
Yeah my 2023 model y Drove 100mile and used 50% so actual range is 200miles per charge at hwy speeds of 85mph. EPA needs to test ranges at 75mph not 55mph 🥲🥲
Yes I would agree, Tesla should absolutely reflect real world driving distance. But they don't because they like the idea of letting people believe that they have more range than the average electric vehicle for almost the same money.
They should just be upfront with their numbers, it’s not like the Tesla community won’t figure it out.
EPA range is indeed calculated based on driving 60% city - 40% highway with 60 mph max speeds.
But EPA numbers have changed in the last years. It took about 100 years to get the EPA right for the ICEV.
For the same two cars presented in the video, in 2024 :
> EPA Tesla Model Y LR AWD : 308 miles
> EPA Tesla Model Y Performance : 279 miles
These last values reflect very well the reality of the real life driving (10% difference is not that much IMO, even my Ford Focus rated 32 mpg was doing 28 mpg in real life).
I did a round trip to Yellowstone this summer on Model Y LR. My average for the whole trip of ~2500 miles was 258 Wh/ml. Probably 3/4 of this distance was highway driving. Chill mode only. On a highway I tried to stay most of the time below or at 70mph. Would have been even better if not for a very hot day on the way back which raised the avg from 253 to 258Wh/ml. My last 5k miles avg is 279Wh/m with mostly short distance city driving.
258 Wh/mi is actually pretty good considering it was mostly highway driving. Odd that your in town driving yielded higher Wh/mi. May I ask what type of driving habits were you doing in town during those 5k miles? Any heavy acceleration? Driving up hills? Heavy climate control use?
@sunchiadventures it is mostly short distance with a lot of stop and go. Longer trips avg can go into 240 wh/m territory, but the majority of short ones are 300-310. Also, it was really hot lately, so A/C might be to blame.
70mph is too slow, got places to be haha
Speed limits by me are 70mph so everyone is doing 80+ mph
@@ozzy4654 I agree, we just drove through southern Utah where I-70 speed limit is 80 so people are going 90MPH.
Damn, where i live it's only 55mph, faster is a ticket for sure. @@ozzy4654
I never ever got more than 200 miles on a full charge with my Model Y. Car always blamed me for losing 110 miles from rated range of 310 miles.
I agree with you. Still loving my model Y LR though.
It’s a great car.
Thanks, this is a really good video. I wish you'd do our training videos!
I would learn so much more!😊
Wow thank you for this awesome comment, what type of training do you do?
@sunchiadventures Boeing is an interesting adventure 🤔
@@sandy_sd10 tell corporate to contact me so I can make your training videos.
@@sunchiadventures I wish 🤞
@@sandy_sd10 it was worth a shot.
i Have a2023 model Y. milage 12100 miles. Average 249 Kw/m. City 60%, Hwy 40%. Last fall drove 254 miles at 55mph, on 74% of battery. I drive as if I have a trunk full of eggs.
That’s some great wh/mile
2022 Model Y performance w/29,400 miles and lifetime 280kw/mi
I'm using 19" wheels not the 21"
Nice, seems like you are averaging lower Wh/mi than most for the MYP.
The actual "real" range is about 20% less because you don't start at 100% load and drive to 0%. Normally you drive between 80-90% down to 10-20%...
You are absolutely correct, most drivers will only charge to 80% and drive down to 20% so most will never use or get the maximum range.
whats that in km
Tesla should add option for Model Y LR+ with bigger battery , 85-90kWh
That would be nice.
I agree with your assessment.
Thank you kindly.
Everything is simpler when converted to miles per kilowatt hour.
Agreed.
i got 5klm every 1%. so i am ok with 500klm with 100% battery drive nomal
MiG Model Y Perf. with 12,000 miles, 270Wh/mi average, ⅓ city + ⅔ highway, 21" summer tires or 19" all-season for winter, mostly easy driving.
Very nice! That is actually really good wh/mi for the performance.
@@sunchiadventures That said, the whole EV range thing is overhyped. I've driven many ICEs with real-world range of 350 to 700 miles until recently and never felt a significant difference.
@@SigitasPetraitis In town driving, these cars are great. We drive long distances to go to various National Parks and the range and charging infrastructure become a factor pretty quickly. Some areas we go to are pretty remote and that is when I need to be more cautious when calculating range and getting to a nearby SC.
@@sunchiadventures Agree. My point is more range would not solve the problem, infrastructure would.
You make it all look so easy; but I'm not ready for a FULL EV yet. But I am open to a Hybrid
Hybrids are a great choice. We love hybrids and would most likely own one if we didn’t have an EV. Which one would you get?
@@sunchiadventures That is the thing, I have not done any research yet. But I plan to buy one more new thing in the next 5 or so years. Maybe an SUV?
@@RoseSSlots well feel free to reach out if you have any questions. I would be happy to help. And thank you for your continued support of this channel.
@@sunchiadventures ❤️❤️❤️ always something to learn.
What about all the energy wasted in Park mode? This is not a factor for ICE vehicles. My Y wasted around 9% weekly in which is not accounted in the avg kw/mi calculation.
As long as sentry mode is off. We lost about 1% in 24 hours parked.
@@sunchiadventures still 7% a week or 3.5 charges worth lost a year!
@@KingofInterns the 1% was due to me checking the app and waking up the car. When it is in sleep mode there is no loss of power for days or weeks.
I don’t just take the kWh/ mile given from the Tesla screen. Because in real world you won’t even get the actual miles from your calculation.
Simple math: if you drive 200 actual miles and energy consumed 254 miles the 200/254=78.74% (21.26% wasted) 😂
That number is BS in the car. My model 3 shows an average of 230-240wh/mi which is 10-15% less than what the wall charger shows. On top of that, the percentages provided by the car miss 15-30% depending on the trip. I'm not getting rid of them and will continue to buy Tesla but the numbers are BS.
Agreed. If you are getting 240wh/ mile that is pretty good.
You can get 300 miles if you drive 60-65mph it’s not rocket science
Road tests by reputable mags and online reviewers show similar results to this vid. The MY is a great car but the range is overstated.
My MYLR gets 240-280 miles depending on weather and road conditions. I always turn on AC or heat and heated seat and steering wheel. But I’m not complaining. It happens to ICEs too.
More range is always nice to have. We definitely make more stops on road trips to charge in an EV than we do in our ICE. Sometimes it works out great and sometimes we just prefer to keep driving without needing to stop to charge. The Supercharger network is reliable and a huge factor on why we went electric, I can't imagine how terrible it is using the other charging stations.
@@michaelcollier8768I had a civic hx for years, I was part of an online hypermile club. I was able to achieve 60mpg in a regular gas car from the 90s that had an epa sticker mpg rating of 30/39mpg because I drove 55-60mph with draconian control limits on my acceleration and movements. You can achieve the tested range but not driving 70mph and zipping around. You need to drive with extreme mindfulness on efficiency. Of course that’s not “real world” driving, but that doesn’t mean it’s not possible.
Right, then it is "Rocket Science" and not normal driving. The MY is a great car and this discussion is about "normal" driving range. There are times when I need the xtra range and go light on the pedal, heat, speed, etc. but that is not normal driving.
My S Plaid can drive actual 150 miles after charged up 287@80 percent. 150/287=52.26% (47.73% wasted) 😂 sadly
Dang that sucks.
I don't trust this video. No driving footage or screenshots
Yeah my 2023 model y
Drove 100mile and used 50% so actual range is 200miles per charge at hwy speeds of 85mph.
EPA needs to test ranges at 75mph not 55mph 🥲🥲
I concur, highway speed testing is a must and they should post these numbers for consumers.