I'm about three years into a Moots Routt RSL. I love it with every fiber of my being. I'm here watching this video because I'm considering a 2nd Moots. The Mountaineer YBB softail.
I have three Moots in the stable now. two RSL built as single speeds and a YBB mountain bike. Going to cut these loose to fund a new Routt RSL and a Womble!
Hey Jim, did you end up getting the Mountaineer? I have one in the stable and absolutely love it! I have to say that it rides like a dream. Buttery smooth and very capable. I have mine set up with a 130mm Fox 34 Grips 2 fork.
Similar story here. I’d wanted a Moots for years and I was very close to take the plunge this year, but then the pandemic hit and the economy tanked and it didn’t seem very wise to me to spend that much money on a frame (worthy as it may be)... so I got a Lynskey for less than half the price of a Moots
@@RicardoRocha-lg1xo I almost got the Lynskey (GR300) but the Litespeed is half a pound lighter. I did want to support the OG the founder of Litespeed, Lynskey, but my inner weight weenie won out.
@@CuriousMind_LVG half a pound less would hace been nice. 20 pounds less on myself would be nicer but my inner cookie monster keeps winning haha...In my case ir was precisely what you mentioned about the OG. I also found more info available on Lynskey, which led me towards them, but recently I’ve been checking out Litespeeds and they do look amazing
Thanks for the great video David. Although you’re preaching to the converted. I have had a Moots Vamoots CR road bike for 8 years, 40,000+ thousand miles and it still looks (almost) like new. I am not sure how to send a photo on this comment board , or I would.
Great review, I had a ‘03 vamoots with campy super record mech groupset, that I rode for a few years. It had a buttery smooth and forgiving ride, I miss it dearly. I will get another one, currently saving my pennies.
@@Mububban23 Sold it when I had my first kid, knew I wouldn’t have the time to ride it for a few years. Now my kids are older and I have time to ride again.
Win the lottery or sell a kidney - fabulous bikes; I like the YBB with the soft tail. Another channel actually went to their factory - and their work is the absolute tops!!
They should have included a titanium handlebar as well. I have a custom Seven Cycles titanium MTB with a titanium seatpost and handlebar. It’s a great material for a bike. It doesn’t rust which is a big plus if you ride in the rain.
I love Moots, love their frames, but I can’t justify the price even to myself hehe. That being said, I still wanted a Ti bike so took the budget Ti road and got myself a Lynskey gravel bike earlier this year. They’re also handmade in the USA, but considerably cheaper. So far I’m loving it. I put road tires on it yesterday and pumped them to 100psi... and it still felt pretty compliant. Once you go Ti you never say bye?
I have three Kent Erickson Ti seatpost's on my the three Ritchey bikes, I have been looking to have a custom built Moots or Kent Erickson Gravel Bike because after having been thought a Specialized Retül bike fitting course by one of the top bike fitters in the world it was pointed out to me that I was the second person he had seen over all the years that needs a custom bike to fit me. It just comes down to money at this point in time.
The two-pass weld process is definitely more costly, but it produces a stronger weld. The first pass is what they call Autogenous, which is welding without filler material. The advantages of Autogenous is it requires a lower temperature which minimizes heat related distortion. I've owned several Moots over the last twenty years. I take delivery of a Womble in a couple of weeks. I will say that I'm not a fan of the bead blast finishes much prefer the mill finish of yester-year.
Love to hear from anyone who has a DR endurance model. Can't decide on the RSL or the DR? I am 56 and ride about 500 miles a month all pavement, ZERO gravel.
The rough finish on the 3D printed dropouts is a surprise on such an expensive machine. The integration into the seatstays leaves a bit to be desired also
Moots is the top of the food chain. My brother went Litespeed. Pennywise, Pound foolish. Get a Moots if you go Ti. Don't spend too much on the other brands that i wont name. They just aren't as good. And don't go cheap like my brother. Buy a Moots. I own the RSL caliper and the YBB gravel. Heaven.
How representative is a press kit of thre real product? I would be suprised if they would show welds with imperfections or uncleaned insides of the tubes. I would honestly be suprised if they care about the inside of their tubes, apart from the parts which interface with a steerer tube, or likewise.
Sorry... late to this party, but as a retired Manufacturing Engineer, who spent some time in Aerospace, I can tell you (from OTJ experience) the insides ARE extremely clean. It's a prerequisite for good weld penetration on Ti tubes and structural pieces. The chance of contamination must be minimized as Ti TIG welding is hyper-susceptible to dirt, oils, & grime. All Ti bike builders give their tubes and other parts a bath before welding. Some of the smaller builders simply use acetone, detergents, and rinses. Other manufacturers who do large volume products (more industrialized and automated... like aerospace) do multi-step baths called Pickling, Descaling, and Neutralizing (ionic stability). Moots uses the mechanical impact method of ultrasonic dipping which probably uses a surfactant-based solution. So... yes, tubes and structures are really pretty inside and out, even on the shop floor... on a Tuesday. 🙂 Human skin oils are even prohibited. So after said baths, gloves are required.
Very interesting presentation. Moots is a great company with great people and products. I’ve never seen the sales crate before, thanks for that.
I'm about three years into a Moots Routt RSL. I love it with every fiber of my being. I'm here watching this video because I'm considering a 2nd Moots. The Mountaineer YBB softail.
I have three Moots in the stable now. two RSL built as single speeds and a YBB mountain bike. Going to cut these loose to fund a new Routt RSL and a Womble!
Hey Jim, did you end up getting the Mountaineer?
I have one in the stable and absolutely love it!
I have to say that it rides like a dream. Buttery smooth and very capable.
I have mine set up with a 130mm Fox 34 Grips 2 fork.
Got a 2021 Moots YBB 50 this summer. Enve, Chris King build out. Paradise.
Just ordered a Mooto X RSL yesterday. Can’t wait!
Love my Moots - such a magical ride !!!
Love Moots, can't afford their frames so I went with Litespeed. Also a storied American Ti framebuilder. Cheers!
Similar story here. I’d wanted a Moots for years and I was very close to take the plunge this year, but then the pandemic hit and the economy tanked and it didn’t seem very wise to me to spend that much money on a frame (worthy as it may be)... so I got a Lynskey for less than half the price of a Moots
@@RicardoRocha-lg1xo I almost got the Lynskey (GR300) but the Litespeed is half a pound lighter. I did want to support the OG the founder of Litespeed, Lynskey, but my inner weight weenie won out.
@@CuriousMind_LVG half a pound less would hace been nice. 20 pounds less on myself would be nicer but my inner cookie monster keeps winning haha...In my case ir was precisely what you mentioned about the OG. I also found more info available on Lynskey, which led me towards them, but recently I’ve been checking out Litespeeds and they do look amazing
I prefer the Litespeed. It’s a class piece of kit. So beautiful.
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Thanks for the great video David.
Although you’re preaching to the converted.
I have had a Moots Vamoots CR road bike for 8 years, 40,000+ thousand miles and it still looks (almost) like new.
I am not sure how to send a photo on this comment board , or I would.
Great review, I had a ‘03 vamoots with campy super record mech groupset, that I rode for a few years. It had a buttery smooth and forgiving ride, I miss it dearly. I will get another one, currently saving my pennies.
Why did you get rid of it?
@@Mububban23 Sold it when I had my first kid, knew I wouldn’t have the time to ride it for a few years. Now my kids are older and I have time to ride again.
Win the lottery or sell a kidney - fabulous bikes; I like the YBB with the soft tail.
Another channel actually went to their factory - and their work is the absolute tops!!
Which channel?
Or pay half price off eBay
@@mavallarino GCN
They should have included a titanium handlebar as well. I have a custom Seven Cycles titanium MTB with a titanium seatpost and handlebar. It’s a great material for a bike. It doesn’t rust which is a big plus if you ride in the rain.
Beautiful American made Ti. Serotta did it fantastically well and others like Seven and 22 cycles do it as well.
I love Moots, love their frames, but I can’t justify the price even to myself hehe. That being said, I still wanted a Ti bike so took the budget Ti road and got myself a Lynskey gravel bike earlier this year. They’re also handmade in the USA, but considerably cheaper. So far I’m loving it. I put road tires on it yesterday and pumped them to 100psi... and it still felt pretty compliant. Once you go Ti you never say bye?
I would like to take vacations inside Moots Titanium frames.😊
I own a 2006 Moots Compact w/ Campag 11 speed Chorus and a custom 2018 Vamoots RSL w/ Campag 11 speed Record. Got the 2018 one for my 60th birthday
Look forward to your Moots bike review. Hope it's a vamoots rsl or dr. Both are on my short list for a new Ti road bike.
It’s a Vamoots RSL Disc 😎
tested a moots a while ago against a t-labs x3 (canadian), reminded me of a jaguar car where you have to a certain age to have one.
went for the x3.
I have three Kent Erickson Ti seatpost's on my the three Ritchey bikes, I have been looking to have a custom built Moots or Kent Erickson Gravel Bike because after having been thought a Specialized Retül bike fitting course by one of the top bike fitters in the world it was pointed out to me that I was the second person he had seen over all the years that needs a custom bike to fit me. It just comes down to money at this point in time.
Hi@@rcg9573 I know that but the seatpost are still call Kent Erickson and sold from Kent Erickson website
Oh mate. A MOOTS.
My ultimate lotto bike
The two-pass weld process is definitely more costly, but it produces a stronger weld. The first pass is what they call Autogenous, which is welding without filler material. The advantages of Autogenous is it requires a lower temperature which minimizes heat related distortion. I've owned several Moots over the last twenty years. I take delivery of a Womble in a couple of weeks. I will say that I'm not a fan of the bead blast finishes much prefer the mill finish of yester-year.
Moots and Ibis are my favorite brands.
I would love to get moots's bike one day
Love to hear from anyone who has a DR endurance model. Can't decide on the RSL or the DR? I am 56 and ride about 500 miles a month all pavement, ZERO gravel.
I remember lusting after a Moots YBBeat.
The rough finish on the 3D printed dropouts is a surprise on such an expensive machine. The integration into the seatstays leaves a bit to be desired also
I agree. I think machining that drop out from a billet would look better
I would choose purple Chris King parts.
does this Frame cure cancer
Moots is the top of the food chain. My brother went Litespeed. Pennywise, Pound foolish. Get a Moots if you go Ti. Don't spend too much on the other brands that i wont name. They just aren't as good. And don't go cheap like my brother. Buy a Moots. I own the RSL caliper and the YBB gravel. Heaven.
How representative is a press kit of thre real product? I would be suprised if they would show welds with imperfections or uncleaned insides of the tubes. I would honestly be suprised if they care about the inside of their tubes, apart from the parts which interface with a steerer tube, or likewise.
I have a Moots Routt RSL; the welds are nicer than that demo.
Sorry... late to this party, but as a retired Manufacturing Engineer, who spent some time in Aerospace, I can tell you (from OTJ experience) the insides ARE extremely clean. It's a prerequisite for good weld penetration on Ti tubes and structural pieces. The chance of contamination must be minimized as Ti TIG welding is hyper-susceptible to dirt, oils, & grime. All Ti bike builders give their tubes and other parts a bath before welding. Some of the smaller builders simply use acetone, detergents, and rinses. Other manufacturers who do large volume products (more industrialized and automated... like aerospace) do multi-step baths called Pickling, Descaling, and Neutralizing (ionic stability). Moots uses the mechanical impact method of ultrasonic dipping which probably uses a surfactant-based solution. So... yes, tubes and structures are really pretty inside and out, even on the shop floor... on a Tuesday. 🙂 Human skin oils are even prohibited. So after said baths, gloves are required.
Not made in Taiwan or china
I’ve ridden a moots across
India
USA
Europe
Never had a problem
Hello, I'm also planning a long trip. Could you please share which moots frame is more suitable for long-distance travel
@@ZJ0123 they are all good.
MOOTS is top bike.
I use a 54cm RSL road bike
@@PInk77W1 Thanks a lot
sturdycycles 3d printed parts and integration with tubes, imo, is superior to moots. cant afford bikes from either of these builders however