MSRs and specifically Ed Pheil's very pragmatic take on the best design approach needs more support. The 2028 goal for a demonstration reactor isn't very ambitious. Progress isn't so much a function of time but of creativity and effort. How quickly could you get a 3000 MW reactor online if you had an unlimited budget? If there was a Manhattan project level of commitment then it could be done in less than a year I bet. I like the technology because it's cool and not because it will save the Earth. But why aren't the Greta Thornbergs of the world jumping on the MSR bandwagon? Elysium's designs have the real prospect of giving us a zero-carbon energy infrastructure in the near term. I'm convinced that the greens need to realize that fusion power may be pie-in-the-sky forever and that renewables plus batteries is impractical.
"why aren't the Greta Thornbergs of the world jumping on the MSR bandwagon?" Maybe because they're generally stupid people that don't actually have a genuine bone in their body and thus behave entirely based on what will give them the most attention/dollars?
@@Birdy890 That one sure is a bad faith approach. I can't remember how old is she but Im sure when I was in her age I didn't know a jackshit about Gen IV reactors... Maybe its worth to try to educate them (activist influencers) as they already have the audience to propagate knowledge. If they refuse we still can call them vapid but until then my experience is that the best to assume ignorance in place of malicious intentions. Its a sad state of the world that ppl listen to fameous ppl with familiar faces more than experts but that is how things are so we either lament it and get nowhere or try to adept.
@@CraftyF0X They don't want abundant clean energy, they want scarce clean energy. They (leftist environmentalist [commies]) never want to make themselves obsolete (no politician does), it's why in part they still exist. Imagine artificially creating a food scarcity (holodomor).
@@leerman22 Artificial scarcity is antithetical for the goals of communism, while it is very useful tool in market economics to incrase price. Read a damn book pls.
The MSFR is a great idea, and as the major risks of LWR and liquid sodium does not exist. Comparing the high pressure of water, solubility of toxins in air and water, decomposition of water into hydrogen and oxygen, residual heat in solid fuel rods, core meltdowns, and the risks of liquid sodium with its potential of creating violent reaction with water, not even taking into account the potential dispersion of radio toxins, the risks of low pressure molten salt with low reactivity with water it would seem appropriate that licensing time should scale with the risk factors.
We're always just 30 years away on Fusion devices.. About 6 years ago Lockheed Skunk Works actually went public with a surprising promotion video saying they expected to be in production with Truck-able Size mini-fusion devices to supply the power needs of "neighborhood to small community size fusion devices." .... in 5 years ( a deadline that passed a year ago). They avoided political controversy by saying it would be sold to developing third world counties. Thus avoiding for example any discussion concerning how these devices would integrate into the US Energy Net and its implications on Public Utility Company financials. - - - - - - - - 11/06/2020 The PR surrounding molten salt thorium reactors is offering a forecast. Watch both videos above. The PR forecast suggests this:.... “It’s our turn for thorium.” This holds significant global energy implications. I’m going to start adding relevant posts to this thread following new inputs on molten salt thorium reactors pro and con. Other sources of energy will also be considered. The PR ramping up around molten salt thorium reactors is obviously backed by a serious contingency of highly technical experts in the field of applied physics, experts with access. This is so far a successful PR effort; I see it as another wave, another push for the budget spotlight. The trouble with waves are, they peak and trough. Timing matters. This time the PR is surprisingly soft selling Thorium merits and being brought forward not by the usual cast of government characters. The usual cast of characters now have two new and respected, players for thorium both with credibility, (1) experts in applied physics in the field of liquid salt thorium reactors, overseen by the etheric ghost of a lovable Oak Ridge National Lab thorium reactor founder, Alvin Weinberg. (2) The inimitable David Adair. Weinberg represents durable cosmic truth, Adair represents gifted genius insights (Photo Insert). - - - - - - - - 11/07/2020 Some believe the Lockheed announcement was a diversionary tactic. So if the world has fusion energy, let’s sell off our uranium ore fields to the Russians. Well documented political scandals followed. Multi generational ranching interests reaching back to statehood formation were accused of environmental land management abuses and evicted. The rancher’s 100+ year history of sustainable grazing practices ignored. Meanwhile back in DC, a powerful senator hired his own family members to privately negotiate the selling of what then turned out to be uranium ore mining rights on these same public lands. This became the infamous uranium ore sale to Russian interests. Back on the farm, several hundred patriots well aware of what their local corrupt senator and senator’s son were up to, men and women, grabbed their guns and came out in force to defend the well loved local ranching family on site to protect the family from the Department of Interior hired paramilitary armed civilian thug mercenaries. About this same time another rancher was shot by a provocateur in a second incident. The sheriff, a DHS darling, staged a set up to create a killing corral so that paid paramilitary hitmen could kill Patriots out of sight of cameras to teach the Patriots a lesson. At first the hitmen did not realize how exposed their sniper position had become. Their not so secret strategy was to start killing these “deplorable” Bible toting, gun lover patriots out of sight of cameras, blame it all on the Patriots, then call in the National Guard, letting the incident conflate into a declaration of Marshall Law. But Patriots had their own high ground snipers to kill the hitmen snipers, keeping the hitmen snippers in their sights, locked and loaded. Once the hitmen snipers finally realized they would be the first to die - instantly, they radioed their main body in the creek bed below near the highway bridge to pull out without a gunfight. A standoff ended with the hitmen packing up and pulling out entirely under peaceful passage arranged by the Patriots. Private iPhones put it all on the internet but with a few hours delay. But still, high political officials including the State Department then oversaw the sale of the uranium ore bearing land rights to Russian interests. Those of us talking about it were obviously conspiracy theory types. It’s all forgotten and what value is there possibly in reliving these events years later, let’s move on, nothing to see here. Right? Water rights, mineral rights, hydrocarbon and gas rights, and now wind rights, each create unique episodes in Energy Policies. Timing is important. Policies each flow in waves that peak and trough. Catching the wave is an art.
11/08/2020 ENERGY PRODUCTION You may wonder why I regard David Adair, the son of a NASCAR auto mechanic, so highly and place him in a league with our most highly regarded scientists, and a likely figure to produce energy devices to serve a significant portion of our global energy needs. How can Adair bring the essential wave of popular enthusiasm to change the trajectory of energy production? My estimate is he will follow a path of least resistance. At the moment the path of least resistance appears to be (1) temporarily working in secret, (2) working mostly outside the US, (3) produce a new prototype placed into operation as a demonstration plant in a third world country, using some of the capital funding promised him. My recommendations to David would be slightly different. Change number (2) working outside the US into setting up two centers of operations. The higher profile facility is located in a convenient but remote area to fit the PR image of Third World Development. This plant serves as a cover operation, to draw attention away from where the real action is located. It may be necessary to then provide a cover story within a cover story, so the second plant engages in a related field where parts ordered make sense. THE DEEP STATE ALWAYS SEEKS CONTROL The second facility is kept secret, a near impossible task in this day and age. For starters Adair must encrypt all communications. Communication leaks need to be planned releases to serve his professed goal : “public sourced.” This still doesn’t answer the question of why I rate Adair so highly. For that answer, you need to watch video’s going back several years on Adair’s life story. There aren’t a lot of souls walking this Earth who as a teenager could correct the personal blackboard work in Stephen W. Hawking personal office, innocently waiting for a meeting with Professor Hawking. The youngster Adair thought someone had tried to post his work on magnetic energy containment and corrected the formulas found on Hawking’s blackboard. David was unaware Hawking was theorizing similar problems on the study of black holes. “How do you come by your formulas,” Hawking asked David. “They come to me in dreams,” said David. “Mine too,” responded Hawking, “We are brothers of the same kind!”
There’s a craft beer manufacturer with the same name, I always think of them haha. I always thought “MEGA Corp” would be the evilest name for a company
@@NomenNescio99 I have no idea, it just seems way too long. It makes you wonder how quickly you could get a test MSR up and running without all the regulation and red tape.
@@phamnuwen9442 Nuclear is always going against the party line. Which party? Just name it. It doesn't appeal to fossil fuel or unreliables industries. In short, politics.
MSRs and specifically Ed Pheil's very pragmatic take on the best design approach needs more support. The 2028 goal for a demonstration reactor isn't very ambitious. Progress isn't so much a function of time but of creativity and effort. How quickly could you get a 3000 MW reactor online if you had an unlimited budget? If there was a Manhattan project level of commitment then it could be done in less than a year I bet. I like the technology because it's cool and not because it will save the Earth. But why aren't the Greta Thornbergs of the world jumping on the MSR bandwagon? Elysium's designs have the real prospect of giving us a zero-carbon energy infrastructure in the near term. I'm convinced that the greens need to realize that fusion power may be pie-in-the-sky forever and that renewables plus batteries is impractical.
"why aren't the Greta Thornbergs of the world jumping on the MSR bandwagon?"
Maybe because they're generally stupid people that don't actually have a genuine bone in their body and thus behave entirely based on what will give them the most attention/dollars?
@@Birdy890 That one sure is a bad faith approach. I can't remember how old is she but Im sure when I was in her age I didn't know a jackshit about Gen IV reactors... Maybe its worth to try to educate them (activist influencers) as they already have the audience to propagate knowledge. If they refuse we still can call them vapid but until then my experience is that the best to assume ignorance in place of malicious intentions. Its a sad state of the world that ppl listen to fameous ppl with familiar faces more than experts but that is how things are so we either lament it and get nowhere or try to adept.
@@CraftyF0X They don't want abundant clean energy, they want scarce clean energy. They (leftist environmentalist [commies]) never want to make themselves obsolete (no politician does), it's why in part they still exist. Imagine artificially creating a food scarcity (holodomor).
@@leerman22 Artificial scarcity is antithetical for the goals of communism, while it is very useful tool in market economics to incrase price. Read a damn book pls.
@@CraftyF0X do you even know what the holodomor was? (insert "wasnt real communism here")
Watching from Nairobi Kenya, looking forward to working with you guys soon one day.
It's a shame what what happened in my country in the year 78 should a nuclear reactor go critical but didn't happen 😕😳
What happened to Ed Pheil? He wasn't even mentioned.
Yeah. Apparently Elysium started as "a bunch of antinukes and some advanced nuke naval designers" No mention of Ed.
The MSFR is a great idea, and as the major risks of LWR and liquid sodium does not exist. Comparing the high pressure of water, solubility of toxins in air and water, decomposition of water into hydrogen and oxygen, residual heat in solid fuel rods, core meltdowns, and the risks of liquid sodium with its potential of creating violent reaction with water, not even taking into account the potential dispersion of radio toxins, the risks of low pressure molten salt with low reactivity with water it would seem appropriate that licensing time should scale with the risk factors.
Appreciate your work. I hope your goals will achive soon. 👍
We're always just 30 years away on Fusion devices.. About 6 years ago Lockheed Skunk Works actually went public with a surprising promotion video saying they expected to be in production with Truck-able Size mini-fusion devices to supply the power needs of "neighborhood to small community size fusion devices." .... in 5 years ( a deadline that passed a year ago).
They avoided political controversy by saying it would be sold to developing third world counties. Thus avoiding for example any discussion concerning how these devices would integrate into the US Energy Net and its implications on Public Utility Company financials.
- - - - - - - -
11/06/2020 The PR surrounding molten salt thorium reactors is offering a forecast. Watch both videos above. The PR forecast suggests this:.... “It’s our turn for thorium.”
This holds significant global energy implications.
I’m going to start adding relevant posts to this thread following new inputs on molten salt thorium reactors pro and con. Other sources of energy will also be considered. The PR ramping up around molten salt thorium reactors is obviously backed by a serious contingency of highly technical experts in the field of applied physics, experts with access.
This is so far a successful PR effort; I see it as another wave, another push for the budget spotlight. The trouble with waves are, they peak and trough. Timing matters. This time the PR is surprisingly soft selling Thorium merits and being brought forward not by the usual cast of government characters. The usual cast of characters now have two new and respected, players for thorium both with credibility, (1) experts in applied physics in the field of liquid salt thorium reactors, overseen by the etheric ghost of a lovable Oak Ridge National Lab thorium reactor founder, Alvin Weinberg. (2) The inimitable David Adair. Weinberg represents durable cosmic truth, Adair represents gifted genius insights (Photo Insert).
- - - - - - - -
11/07/2020 Some believe the Lockheed announcement was a diversionary tactic. So if the world has fusion energy, let’s sell off our uranium ore fields to the Russians.
Well documented political scandals followed. Multi generational ranching interests reaching back to statehood formation were accused of environmental land management abuses and evicted. The rancher’s 100+ year history of sustainable grazing practices ignored.
Meanwhile back in DC, a powerful senator hired his own family members to privately negotiate the selling of what then turned out to be uranium ore mining rights on these same public lands. This became the infamous uranium ore sale to Russian interests.
Back on the farm, several hundred patriots well aware of what their local corrupt senator and senator’s son were up to, men and women, grabbed their guns and came out in force to defend the well loved local ranching family on site to protect the family from the Department of Interior hired paramilitary armed civilian thug mercenaries. About this same time another rancher was shot by a provocateur in a second incident.
The sheriff, a DHS darling, staged a set up to create a killing corral so that paid paramilitary hitmen could kill Patriots out of sight of cameras to teach the Patriots a lesson. At first the hitmen did not realize how exposed their sniper position had become. Their not so secret strategy was to start killing these “deplorable” Bible toting, gun lover patriots out of sight of cameras, blame it all on the Patriots, then call in the National Guard, letting the incident conflate into a declaration of Marshall Law.
But Patriots had their own high ground snipers to kill the hitmen snipers, keeping the hitmen snippers in their sights, locked and loaded. Once the hitmen snipers finally realized they would be the first to die - instantly, they radioed their main body in the creek bed below near the highway bridge to pull out without a gunfight. A standoff ended with the hitmen packing up and pulling out entirely under peaceful passage arranged by the Patriots. Private iPhones put it all on the internet but with a few hours delay.
But still, high political officials including the State Department then oversaw the sale of the uranium ore bearing land rights to Russian interests.
Those of us talking about it were obviously conspiracy theory types. It’s all forgotten and what value is there possibly in reliving these events years later, let’s move on, nothing to see here. Right?
Water rights, mineral rights, hydrocarbon and gas rights, and now wind rights, each create unique episodes in Energy Policies. Timing is important. Policies each flow in waves that peak and trough. Catching the wave is an art.
Have a look at Saphire Project Fusion is here
@@oz4mee Neat! I will take a look. Thanks for sharing.
That's before they discovered REBCO - from now on, Fusion will permanently be 15 years away! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARC_fusion_reactor
Not sure how your extensive comments relate to this presentation?
What's the practical lower limit of heat production for a fast MSR?
What is the price sir?
The problem of support is tied to inability to provide political benefit not technical need.
11/08/2020 ENERGY PRODUCTION
You may wonder why I regard David Adair, the son of a NASCAR auto mechanic, so highly and place him in a league with our most highly regarded scientists, and a likely figure to produce energy devices to serve a significant portion of our global energy needs.
How can Adair bring the essential wave of popular enthusiasm to change the trajectory of energy production?
My estimate is he will follow a path of least resistance.
At the moment the path of least resistance appears to be (1) temporarily working in secret, (2) working mostly outside the US, (3) produce a new prototype placed into operation as a demonstration plant in a third world country, using some of the capital funding promised him.
My recommendations to David would be slightly different. Change number (2) working outside the US into setting up two centers of operations. The higher profile facility is located in a convenient but remote area to fit the PR image of Third World Development. This plant serves as a cover operation, to draw attention away from where the real action is located. It may be necessary to then provide a cover story within a cover story, so the second plant engages in a related field where parts ordered make sense.
THE DEEP STATE ALWAYS SEEKS CONTROL
The second facility is kept secret, a near impossible task in this day and age. For starters Adair must encrypt all communications. Communication leaks need to be planned releases to serve his professed goal : “public sourced.”
This still doesn’t answer the question of why I rate Adair so highly. For that answer, you need to watch video’s going back several years on Adair’s life story. There aren’t a lot of souls walking this Earth who as a teenager could correct the personal blackboard work in Stephen W. Hawking personal office, innocently waiting for a meeting with Professor Hawking. The youngster Adair thought someone had tried to post his work on magnetic energy containment and corrected the formulas found on Hawking’s blackboard. David was unaware Hawking was theorizing similar problems on the study of black holes. “How do you come by your formulas,” Hawking asked David. “They come to me in dreams,” said David. “Mine too,” responded Hawking, “We are brothers of the same kind!”
Even Nikola Motors was more convincing.
It may be great, but it sure sounds like the name of Evil Corporation from a video game.
Oh? I thought it sounded more like the name of a Space Station in a movie - www.imdb.com/title/tt1535108/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
There’s a craft beer manufacturer with the same name, I always think of them haha. I always thought “MEGA Corp” would be the evilest name for a company
Elysium industries, majority shareholder in umbrella corporation! Lol!
Demo reactor in 2028? Sad.
Isn't that the same year that thorcon will be running a full power plant in Indonesia?
@@NomenNescio99 I have no idea, it just seems way too long. It makes you wonder how quickly you could get a test MSR up and running without all the regulation and red tape.
@@phamnuwen9442 It took 4 years from start of project until running a reactor back in the days at Oak Ridge.
@@NomenNescio99 Interesting. I guess it should be a lot faster today then, with modern manufacturing technologies available.
@@phamnuwen9442 Nuclear is always going against the party line. Which party? Just name it. It doesn't appeal to fossil fuel or unreliables industries. In short, politics.
This guy isn't very convincing. But good luck.