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IMO, He's an ottawa legend and it's cool to see him honored this way. But there's no denying that people are ROASTING this choice online.. What do you think?
As fans were only see what is done on the ice. Locker rooms, practice, the off-season, the community, etc. we don’t know what this man contributed to the club over 16 years. This is a club decision and can’t be judged by those without the proper perspective IMHO. If Ottawa wants to retire then 👏👏👏👏
I think the only people roasting are non-Sens fans.
Every Sen fan loves it, he is a Sens legend.
Let franchises retire whoever they want. Flames and the forever a flame shit, for example, shits on players. Kipper please retire.
people are roasting him, but he is a local hero who loves the town and never gave up on it. He is always very involved in the team and the town. And, his personality was a great asset to have in the locker room. Even if they haven't won a cup with him, he is a legend in the area.
I think it matters not what others think . He is respected and a legend with Ottawa fans so if people have a problem with this they should just learn the game is played by many types of players. Few play such a complete and dedicated game .
It’s not always about whos the best, it’s about the impact they made for their team, that guy didn’t have a lot of points but it’s not always about that, nowadays people seem to be blinded by the best and forget about players like that guy, who obviously did enough in other aspects of his game to improve the team all together . And that’s ultimately what a jersey retirement should be.
I couldn’t agree more. Players are judged on their points now instead of their impact and play. Like for example, the James Norris trophy is given to the D man with the most points( mainly PP) instead of the D man with the most blocked shots, or 2 on 1s that are shut down, or the D man with the highest clears and exits from the D zone. Anyways, excellent point made!
When it comes to anything retirement who’s the best only matters. Neil is a trash can
@@itzshade7830 everyone is inclined to their own opinion, but for a player who was with the same organization for over 16 years deserves a spot in the rafters.
People forget that skill, goal scorers, and generational players are like 5% of the league. The rest are grinders.
If you’re from the Ottawa area or grew up as a 2000s sens fan then you’d know how impactful this guy was. One of the most popular sens of all time, and an all time amazing ambassador of the club.
I’m a Toronto fan and even I know how much of an impact Chris Neil had in Ottawa. Definitely a senators legend and deserves this
man Neil would give some pretty good fights with that rivalry, it was good
you definitely have the brain of a toronto fan based on this comment
@@evilshawarma926 as a sabres fan fuck chris neil. His jersey should 100% be retired well earned.
Got to agree with Tyler. I'm a Leaf fan too but I can easily acknowledge the value of a guy like Chris Neil. The tough guys get no respect. It's about time someone did something like this. Neily you are a legend, congrats. I'm sure Don Cherry would agree :)
16 years on the squad. Truly why many fans came to games for a long time. He deserves it.
Im not a Sens fan but I can tell you Neil had a big impact during his time with the Sens. Heart and soul player that always works hard and when the Sens needed a boost, Neil always had the answer. 16 years in the league, over 1000 games played for 1 franchise, nuff said.
He's the heart and soul player of heart and soul players. He deserves this absolutely, no question. More players who sacrificed for their teams and fans should get the same respect in the future too.
Lived in Ottawa as a leafs fan, still loved Chris Neil because he held the team together for a few years
As a Sens fan, he is one of the most impactful players in franchise history and definitely deserves it. I was at the game and shed many tears reminiscing on all the memories neiler created for me
1000+ games on one squad playing the type of game he played deserves it 100%. Always made the battle of ontario fun
Neil deserves it. For what he did for the team and in the community. He played the game with such grit and passion. Putting his body on the line every night for the greater of the team. That’s what a legend does.
He was iconic in Ottawa and for wearing that number. I was definitely surprised but it honestly makes sense. Why should another senator take the number of a heart and soul guy who played there for 17 years? Might as well make it official since they probably wouldn’t have let anyone wear the number anyway.
As a leafs fan that watched Neil’s whole career, he deserves every bit of this. You knew when he was on the ice and exactly what he was gonna do lol
I think the point of jersey retirement is to honour a guy who's number will always be associated with him. Every sens fan knows who Chris Neil is. He has had such a big impact on the organization on and off the ice. He deserves it.
As a Sabres fan I’d say it’s both as we retired Ryan miller very recently for being a legendary goaltender in the league at his time but we also retired our longtime play caller RJ and he is truly a legend in our club and culture
Just watch the video the Ottawa Senators posted, hear the crowd during the speech... It's all you need to understand this jersey retirement.
I still remember the days of Gino Odjick, Chris Neil and Darcy Tucker....The holy trinity of Chaos
Neil was an inforcer who played over 1000 games all with Ottawa and never got a game suspension or fine in the process, enough said.
Sens fan chiming in.
Neil is 1 of 32 players in NHL history to be a one-team guy and play over 1,000 games for that team.
You don’t see many energy, tough guys play that many games any more. They tend to bounce around from team to team, looking for their next contract. He had opportunities to get traded or sign elsewhere as well, and always refused and wanted to remain in Ottawa (famously turned down a PTO with Montreal and just chose to retire instead lol).
I feel like a lot of the people online that are trashing the decision are younger fans that don’t remember Ottawa in their heyday. Neil was a big part of those teams. He also has done so much in the Ottawa community and is still in the city to this day.
This isn’t a guy going into the HoF, it’s a Sens legend that is being honoured by an individual team. Ottawa doesn’t have the 100year history to pull from like Toronto or Montreal, so the criteria for jersey retirement isn’t the same.
There are similar players that have jerseys retired as well, just happened awhile ago. Ken Daneyko wasn’t a star player for Jersey, but he was a part of 3 Cup wins and was a fan favourite. Keith Magnuson played less then 600 games for Chicago and had less then 150 points, but was a leader and fan favourite at the time.
End of the day, other fanbases or teams opinions don’t matter. Sens fans know he’s a legend of the team and community, and that’s all that matters.
To each their own, they have only been around since 1992. Being a wings fan, there is no way he wouldve been retired in Detroit.
As a fellow Wings fan, my thought was if Probert doesn’t have his jersey retired Chris Neal shouldn’t. Problem is arguably a bigger legend for the Wings than Neal is for Ottawa.
@@PygmySurfer neil played for ottawa for 16 seasons. We're a young franchise so he became a legendary figure in ottawa. Detroit has been around since the middle ages and probert played 8 seasons for them. It's a different scenario.
@@PygmySurfer I looked at it like they have no jerseys in the rafter and no history. Wings have a plethora of legends, just considering the 90's through 2010's.
@@PygmySurfer Incomparable. Probert only played 474 games for the Red Wings, for less than a decade and left the team in free agency. Probert would be more comparable if the Sens were to retire Borowiecki's number.
@@PygmySurfer who gives a damn what other team fans have to say as for Probert he deserved some kind of honour but.........................
Ottawa is a small market and is lucky for having players stay for 15+ years so those years of choosing loyalty over sometimes pay sometimes success is all that is needed for a retirement in my opinion
Market size or age of the franchise has nothing to do with it. In it's 106 years, the Toronto Maple Leafs have had 2 players to play over 1000 games exclusively for the franchise: Ron Ellis and George Armstrong.
That's the same amount that the much smaller and younger Ottawa Senators franchise has: Chris Phillips and Chris Neil.
@@deltagolavista1 market size definitely matters, think about how many stars left small markets to go to Big one, honestly I’d list them but I’d be here forever, and the smaller the market the more impact players have on their team, like if Toronto sucks they have the jays, raptors, and maybe even the argos to care about instead. But in small hockey markets it’s that team and that’s it. It’s more likely to notice a player staying longer if he’s on a small market where he can make more money somewhere else, obv Chris Neil isn’t a prime example but I’m sure if he played for the leafs or rangers his whole career he wouldn’t be hanging in the rafters.
@@mister_salmon5693 Neil was offered larger money but stayed where he was wanted
I don’t think a jersey retirement is all just points and goals is key players that played key roles for years and the fact he was key part in a lot of there success I think agitators and enforcers the protectors don’t get enough recognition for all the work and how they put it all on line this was nice retirement
I prefer a hundred times to have someone under the roof who was loyal and gave his everything for my team than a guy who stayed for a few season and then went where the money or success lays.
In that terms of impacts for my Wings id say Darren Maccartys no.25 could be retired, he may not be much in the regular season but put him in the playoffs, hes ah monster and one of the reasons for the cups in Detroit
His goal in the 1997 cup final was legendary
Ottawa born and raised. Definitely deserves it. I'm the times he needed to get Ottawa going, He stepped up and took a win in a fight, changes the whole dynamic and energy of a game. It's not weird or bad, it's his whole career, one of the biggest legends in Senators current history. Him, Alfie, Phillips, shit even Redden, Anderson & Lalime to an extent.
I don't know why so many people are concerned with other franchises and which jerseys they retire..
if you're a sens you will totally understand why they are retiring Neilers number and it's deserved.
As an Ottawa fan, I understand why. I also understand why it would be questioned though. Hockey's a team game, and you can get players that excel at different positions.
I 100% UNDERSTAND WHY HIS NUMBER GOT RETIRED EVERYONE NEEDS A CHRIS NEIL
In my opinion, they were absolutely right to honor him and retire #25. Sens fans wouldn’t be too happy if someone else wore it. It’s not all about skill, it’s about what you mean to the fan base and the organization. He was an absolute fan favorite, 100% retire the man’s jersey
the same discussion came up when we retired chris phillips jersey as well, albeit to a lesser extent. these guys were revered on the team and the community and absolutely deserve to have their jerseys retired
As a leaf fan I liked Chris Niel watching him and Domi battling it out on the ice was classic battle of Ontario
Noone in Ottawa is confused.
The Avalanche have Ray Bourques jersey retired. I grew up rooting for the Avalanche and my family had season tickets when he was playing for the Avs, but I still find that one odd. He played less than 100 games with the Avalanche.
Jersey retirements is for the fans, there are no standard requirements for getting your number retired. Retiring the number of players who are not in the Hall is not uncommon. The Rangers retired Adam Graves who was not only a part of the 1994 Cup team, was an active player in the community and a Garden favorite. Flyers retired Barry Ashbee who was permanently blinded by a to his eye in the 1974 playoffs, ending his career. He would pass away a few years later to leukemia, the Flyers retired his jersey at the start of the 1977-78 season. Dustin Brown got his jersey retired, even though his numbers are not impressive but he captained the team to two Cups
These kinds of players never get the recognition that they deserve, good on ottawa for making this move. Points is only one way the quantify a players worth, fact is he's more deserving then most to have their number raised into the rafters
91 is still not retired in Detroit. Fedorov was THE single best player and arguably the most valuable when the won their cups.
Habs fan here , I'm ok with Neil's jersey retirement ... It does feels weird to have a fighter up there if you ask me ... but why not. He represented a lot for this organisation and always been loved. if it was the hall of fame i would have a different speech lmao
The most confusing thing is the spelling of a lot. Alot is not a word…
I’m from Montreal and I think pretty much everyone here knows how appreciated Chris Neil was in Ottawa and the impact he had on their community. Also, for the style of player he was, he was among the best. I’d say he deserves it
I think Jersey retirements and the hall of fame has been water down in the past few decades.. this should be a special honour reserved for the best of the best. Not just a guy who had a decent career and played a lot of games for one organization. IMO Neal was a solid player but I don’t think he should’ve had his jersey retired.
Yea I think they are honoring his role he played in ottawa on and off the ice a big part of the community along with Alfi
The guy deserve a jersey on top of the roof cuz he is one of the most grittiest player playing 1200+ games without an suspension. This is something. Oh and add the place he had in the community or in the room.
Chris Neil deserves this for sure
Being honored sure.. but retiring the number? They're saying nobody can ever wear Neils number again on that team - even being beloved isn't enough to warrant that unless you died tragically saving a bus full of orphans at an arena fire during the 2nd intermission
Neil was the best part of Ottawa, loyalty wise, in a organization that was rife with rot. They went hand in hand really...
The guy was the heart if the team. He could spark them when needed.
He stood up for the guys and his work ethic was never in question.
In Ottawa He deserves to have his number raised. He will be the last Jersey for a while
Just turned 50 so I don't have anyone to look up to anymore.
In Ottawa we often encounter Sens players around town doing normal people things.
Chris Neil is the one player I was awe struck by
As a Sens fan it was emotional watching the ceremony and reminiscing. At the end of the day it's about the fanbase, and Sens fans (majority) of them are very happy about the Jersey retirement. It's weird to me that other fan bases are pitching in their opinion but don't understand the players impact he's had in the city. A true Sens Legend!
To me, it shows what the Ottawa Senators value. They value toughness and grit, loyalty, and guys who pour blood sweat and tears into the jersey.
As a Rangers fan he was THE biggest pain in the ass to play against, however he essentially bleeds Ottawa red…he was legendary and should have has his number retired!
It's what other players have to say about him. Players who know the impact he had when they were on the ice with him. He deserves everything for what he did not just on the ice, but I don't know another player who has been as involved with the community as Niel was and still is.
I’m a born and raise Ottawa fan so a little biased for sure but Chris Neil is 100% a legend and deserves it, I think it should be for the team legends no matter the points , it’s a team Jersey retirement.
I personally don’t think it was retired for his statistics obviously, I’m more sure it was for his love and loyalty for the senators.
The tough guys don’t get recognized because it’s easier to be tough then skilled, long time sens fan Chris Neil is a great enforcer not a legend in anyway tho but hey I guess Ottawas got nothing else to celebrate for the last few years
Chris sacrificed his body every game to make sure his teammates were safe and respected. I cant tell you a single game that I saw him coasting, and on top of it all…I live in Ottawa and his community involvement is far above most other players. #25 will in my mind ALWAYS be Neil so I think its a great way to honour a man less interested in jumping teams to find a road to the cup and more dedicated to the team and the city he was in.
It’s a little like retiring Scott stevens 4 for nj just an absolute unit. I don’t hate it but I think there’s other past players that deserve it more
He also has done a bunch for the community so that more than likely contributed
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Stevens was the captain of the team during its 3 cups why wouldn't they retire his number, maybe your thinking of Ken Daneyko whose number they retired
Totally different.
Chris Neil #25, with 250 points, and 2500+ penalty minutes, belongs with the other sens legends. What I'll say on it, is you dont play 1000+ games in the NHL as a bad player, he worked his tail off to make the team and stay on it. And when the team didnt re sign him, he refused a PTO to go play in Montreal, opting to retire instead. Incredibly loyal, and his teammates felt safer with him on the bench, knowing he would protect them if something happened. Chris Neil, #25 forever
Yeah, I don’t know what Nashville was thinking in ‘17-18 man (some real *everybody gets a trophy* vibes goin’ on there) one banner is all you need, one banner should incapsulate the entire season-you don’t get the President’s Trophy unless you win both your conference and division anyways…I really don’t know what they were thinking with that whole thing, I think somebody was just banner happy! 😄😄😄
Players can be great in different ways, I don’t know if there is a criteria set for players that get their jerseys retired. If there is, it’s not as black and white as most people think. Should be based on gps and the impact they had on the franchise IMO.
I remember him for being the guy who used to give reporters shit for walking over the team logo in the dressing room. Legend, the numbers don't matter. The guy had Ottawa tattooed on his heart from beginning to end.
I’m a flames fun I think the next person to join the other flames retirees should be Mark Giordano because of his leadership and his admiration to help where he could in the community
Stars fan here. I think jersey retirement is dependent on the club. Usually meant for the GOATs or to memorialize a player. Whether it be longstanding tenure or otherwise. But I'd say I'd they aren't jersey retirement worthy, that's what club hall of Fame is for
Screw the haters. You said it yourself, Neil was a legend in Ottawa. He did so much for the team and the community. Also, being the grinder that he was, he was NEVER suspended. Not one damn game.
Ask any of the superstars (Alfie, Spezza, Heatley, Karlsson etc) and I guarantee they'll agree that Neil deserves this honour.
Leaving jersey retirement to the players that score the most points is just ridiculous. Hockey is so much more than putting up points. Just look at the Leafs. So many future hall of famers on that team, and they can't even break out of the first round because they have no heart and all they care about is dollar signs.
Chris Neil played a very *punky* style of game, Tkachuk, Marchand, etc. I like, and respect the pests, the league needs guys like that!
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People need to stop thinking that jersey retirements are only for top tier players who score 1000+ points. It’s for honoring players who had huge impacts on the franchise, and Neil is one of those players for Ottawa. It’s well-deserved.
The Devils retired #3 for Ken Daneyko. He isn’t in the Hall of Fame. He wasn’t a game-changer. He was just a dependable, hard-hitting, stay-at-home defenseman who played his entire career in NJ and he deserved it.
The guy deserves it. He played 16 years with one team. He obviously did something good to stick around for that long and with the same team. Just like you said he’s a tough guy not a goal scorer.
It's like the leafs retiring tie domi's number
When the sabres and Ottawa had their little rivalry In his Era he was always a guy you kept your eye on. He was a force. I think its cool to retire a jersey for something other than points.
I have always thought Detroit should retire Probert before Federov, Zetterberg, Datsyuk.. I think its wrong that we gave 24 to Chelios and now Suter.
This just continues to confirm the poll from a little bit ago stating that they are the WORST run franchise pro sports. What's next Sabres retire Rob Ray?...
So, in terms of points, no. But he played in Ottawa his entire career. That's important. That says something. Especially 16 years. You don't stay at a team for 16 years if you aren't important. Something like that is rare. As in only 121 players have played for a single team for at least ten years.
People forget that Neil spent a lotta years in Ottawa looking after Alfredsson-you f-ked with Danny and you had to deal with Chris! 🥊
I'd only want greats retired on my team, but I completely understand why Ottawa did this. It's not like they have a lot of players to choose from.
People need to look past Raw points to be considered Special to a Team. Neal did so much for Ottawa and deserves that.
Just like the HALL of FAME it's a popularity contest, nothing to do with stats.
I missed the ceremony because of damn traffic 😢
Two seasons with Brian Murry. Murry put Neil at the front of the net for rebounds and tips. And in both he had 15 goals by Dec. He could of had a lot more points. Just not his role
Forget stats, the team can retire whoever is important to the team, there’s not a blanket rule on this
Well compared to every retired jerseys in MTL/Boston/Toronto.. I understand their point of disapointment. Not saying he didnt deserve it.
He's a franchise legend. Kids nowadays don't know he is, which is why they are saying those things.
I feel like that jersey number retirement is more of a question of respect that the organization and fans have for the player than personal achievement or stats
Besides Alfredsson, I think he is the most deserving for that honor.
If Neil gets his jersey retired, then Holmstrom of Detroit should too. Do you know the amount of punishment he had to endure from his opponents and the refs, while working in his office?
I thought it was really cool that he got his number retired. I had no idea about it until I saw it on TSN. However, being a Habs fan I did see him play quite a bit. He always played with his heart on his sleeve and was incredibly loyal to the franchise.
I also think given the number of teams the vast majority of players will never win a Stanley Cup. Therefore, the criteria to get a jersey retirement has to evolve and it is nice to see teams embrace their most iconic players even without that silverware.
I think its well deserved and I also enjoy seeing a scrapper getting recognized for his status. Well deserved Chris Neil!
People will always go at it. Stop letting the bickerers determine things!
I've always thought retiring a number was kind of stupid. Honoring them is awesome. Honored numbers could be reserved for special players. But, for nobody to ever get to wear that number again is ridiculous. Honor the player, but he doesn't own that number. What if someone else can represent it just as well in the future?
As a fan , I respected the player … definitely an all time fourth liner .:…. For the senators
I think Neil should be up there. I'm a leafs fan and we definitely know how important he was to their team. He's an Ottawa legend for sure
People are so confused about this? Only people that have zero understanding and knowledge of the Senators and their history. It may be different than your typical retirement, but based on what he meant to the team and the length of time he was there, it 100% makes sense. I’m a Devils fan BTW.
Raising a number is about any player the franchise wishes to recognize for their contributions to the organization. Full stop. Don't understand that gatekeeping as to what those contributions are.
Dude CHRIS PHILLIP’S jersey is retired. He had far less of an impact than Neil in his prime. And the other guy other than Allie is a dude who died in a car accident a hundred years ago. Penguins also have a retired number for a kid who died the same way. Jersey retirements are about respect not skill.
As a wings fan we would have no jerseys left
If the organization and fans agree, who are we to say?
Bob Probert, Chris Nilan, Marty McSorely Scott Stevens, Chris Neal. Legendary and perhaps "wall of fame" worthy at the rink, key to the city, but retire the number? Not in my opinion.
The people who say he lacks the skill level they clearly have no idea what kind of stuff he did off the ice for the community.
Why is this such a big deal? Isn’t it up to the teams to decide who they retire?
the only thing more pathetic than Neil getting his number retired is LA making a statue for Dustin Brown. Have we fallen so low that the absolute most mediocre mid players are being celebrated on such a scale? Neil wasn't even a good player, he was nothing.
Your argument applies to Hall of Fame it does not apply to jersey retirements.
A player who embodies the team, played a majority if not all his career for this team, poured his blood sweat and tears for that team. Skill and points is a nice added bonus. Loyalty is more important than anything. Case in point, Sergei Fedorov, his jersey SHOULD be retired by the Wings, but some of his decisions were contradictory to the benefit of the Wings Franchise
It's not just about skills. It's also about heart and how the players impacted the team and community.