It never fails to amuse me how often systems nearly fall apart because of people trying to work in their best interest, even if it means shooting everyone in the foot.
I feel it stems from the eternal mindset of 'fuck you, got mine' that tends to pervade human history. People and groups can and have done a lot of good things, but let's be honest--deep down we're mostly pretty selfish since that tends to be what serves us best in the basic survival sense, and that extends to our interactions in groups as well.
Well it doesn't actually pervade human history, but it does pervade the history of those in power. Those who are weak, and poor tend to be more cooperative than the rich, that's not to say that poor people cannot be at each other's throats for stupid reasons, because the do, but they do so in generally less than the rich and powerful, and them doing so usually has less to do with the development of the country as a whole than it doesn, when the rich and powerful do so.
+op4000exe While true, I can't help but think that history, of the kind that tends to make it into the books, really is the history of the rich and the powerful first and foremost. As a result, the "FUGM" mentality seems all the more common because of how often we see it from these same people and parties in our records.
True, but it's also kind of sad, if people could learn that maybe you don't continually need more in a short amount of time, we might be able to all live better lives in the future, yet because the better life can't come fast enough to many people, they end up breaking what's made in order to dig out small amounts of wealth for themselves.
It's a miracle we pulled off the revolution, sounds like.
If you can call the French carrying you over the finishing line a miracle then yes.
That and it did become a mad house for Britian trying to keep their own house in order over in Europe.
America's revolution just became a lost cause that just took away resources that could be used stabilizing Europe.
Good thing Spain and her colonies were falling apart when all of this happened eh? Imagine the disaster it would be if they decided to jumped in and make a few land grabs.
Honestly it's more of a miracle that we survived *after* the revolution. Kinda hard to build up a legitimate government that actually works... still trying to do that today.
they needed a financier... next time on extra history, the story of how Walpole funded the american revolution.
Two points.
1. Walpole wasn't the one behind the whole South Sea Bubble thing, he was on the opposite side and got stuck trying to put all the pieces back together.
2. America had it's own financial mastermind. Alexander Hamilton.
Actually, wingracer, I think they mean the actual "Financier of the revolution" this time.
Robert Morris was known as the most powerful man in America next to George Washington until he got imprisoned for debt, even if he is merely a footnote of history books.
Jayden - I think you nailed this, but I'm absolutely going to rip you off up above. Still, giving you credit here where it is due.
Unfortunately Walpole had been dead for 30 years at this point, and corpses make bad treasurers
"They needed a financier."
Totally not Alexander Hamilton, why would you all think that? Pffft, crazy talk.
This is great to show how unromantic the Revolution was. A lot of people tend to have a very idealized image of it.
Richardsen Actually, I think the idealized imagery comes from the continental army. They had no political grounding, just an overarching craving for the American dream, simply the freedom to live your own life. The American politicians of the time wanted to find ways to screw over other states and make their's dominant. While they squabbled and almost collapsed the country, the continental army stood strong with no monetary or national government help against the worlds most legendary military and won. It perfectly exemplifies the earliest (and still relevant) ideals of the revolution and is thus romanticized
However you're right, it's really funny to see these states and people bumbling themselves to death while a few people desperately try to hold it together with political scotch tape
You make good points. Perhaps my image is a bit twisted due to how little I actually know about the Revolution.
We're watching the most negative part of it, the greed and the corruption, but the brave Continental Army went against one of the most powerful armies in the world and won.
@@VRichardsn Read more history about it. Liberties kids is a good teacher with a few inaccuracies but still good.
I like how some people imagine history manned by competent people when in reality they were just as illogical as all the rest of us. This series helps put history in a new light.
I don't understand the appeal of local autonomy. It gives a negative modifier to tax, production and manpower.
I like how M&T 2 is handling autonomy. IMO that and some form of Development Drift should be added to the main game.
At least it gives -10 Unrest which very helpful if you don't want your manpower to be wasted on rebels.
Sam Otten Local governments know their constituents best. Therefore, they should handle most of everything. More centralized powers should handle things like a national military and border security.
So the U. S. A. has been printing money on credit since the very beginning?
We just got really good at doing it now and not having it bankrupt us.
Not to mention people are moving towards some form of digital economy as well, although this is a mix of optimism for bitcoins to work and an observation from people increasing focusing on digital payment options.
Pretty much every nation that has to fight a war prints money or borrows in order to pay for it; and then raises taxes to cover payments on that debt.
Raenir Salazar That's what Britain did for the Seven Years' War. They rose taxes on colonies. Then, the same thing that happened to Britain, a rebellion, happened to us in the forms of Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion. Luckily, we hadn't had time to antagonize many countries by then.
Virginia: let's cut Maryland out
US, writing constitution: ok so no slaves
Virginia: wut?
US: I SAID
Virginia: let's leave
"Let's stop taxes and people will get help from charities, I can donate more when I'm not getting taxed."
There are actually still people who believe that works.
TIL: there are people who believe what we currently have is "working." Lmao
Henning Wehn:
“We don’t do charity in Germany. We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments’ responsibilities."
@@CollinMcLean
"A government that can give you everything you want can also take everything you have."
Seriously? Germans not getting this after 1932-1945? And East Germany providing an object lesson for decades afterward?
@@kenle2 It's only Americans who are under this delusion of government being something that is alien to the people.
@@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts
The problem comes when the government isn't "alien" to corrupt zealots who impose their dictates on everyone; "for the greater good" ... of course.
Government is the organization that can do the most damage to individuals and the social fabric through the aforementioned corruption or simple incompetence. Business is limited by the necessity of providing a good or service that people actually want to obtain. Government has no such constraints, often simply imposing requirements a deluded or whipped-up minority demand while the majority is barely paying attention to what's being enacted.
Dan: "They needed a financier..."
Me, as a joke: "They got Robert Walpole."
I here the start of a musical coming up!
He took the Treasury after the war, he was still on top of finance until then.
A fun note: The British worked major counterfeiting rings during the war, adding fuel to the dumpster fire that became the Continental Dollar.
The problem with these videos is... they are addictive and their educational nature allows me to justify staying up until 3:30am watching them because I feel 'productive'. I've been watching them for about 5 hours straight with an occasional bathroom break and to make a sandwich.
Washington when talking to his right hand man must have been like; 'I’m being honest; I’m working with a third of what our Congress has promised'
“We are a powder keg about to explode I need someone like you to lighten the load! So?”
@@pendragonxt3674 He only says it once in "Right Hand Man," the next line is "Here comes the general"
Man, it must have been crazy living in a time where we were led by incompetent, indignant, self-serving assholes. I'm glad we live in today.
The fact that you're not sure further proves that people can no longer tell when something is said sarcastically even when it most obviously is.
in Nick's defence, there are alot of idiots who would say that on internet with all their hearts.
Come on, let's not also forget that under the Articles of Confederation the Legislative branch was unicameral, no Executive or Judicial branch, couldn't tax or collect taxes, couldn't regulate trade, couldn't settle disputes among the states, states created their own money so their wasn't a common currency, and probably most important, weak central government.
What, nobody remembers that from 8th grade civics.
You guys should actually *study* for your test.
Motovation I was never really good at history, but I always had a talent for learning civil studies and politics. The fact that history is basically the two with wars sprinkled basically attests to how much public education failed to to inform us of the past.
Most of what you said are not aspects of the Articles, but rather are things that they lacked. There's no need to mention shortcomings before their apt time in history.
"Local merchants deny us equipment, assistance. They only take British money." I always wondered about the historical context of that line.
WOW You have 2 extra history series running in parallel. This is like a beautiful dream
Sooo... Hamillton?
"Sir, he knows what to do in a trench
Ingenuitive and fluent in French, I mean-
Sir, you’re gonna have to use him eventually
What’s he gonna do on the bench? I mean-
No one has more resilience
Or matches my practical tactical brilliance-
You wanna fight for your land back?"
Sadly, no. We're still in the Articles of Confederaiton period, which means Hamilton's contribution to American finance won't come for a few years still. Hamilton's still stuck with Washington at this period. The fellow down below who guessed Robert Morris is probably correct.
Its placement in the show takes creative liberties, but this is indeed referenced in Hamilton, namely that Monopoly money in Valley Forge:
"Local merchants deny us equipment, assistance
They only take British money, so sing a song of sixpence"
It was Walpole
Yay Maryland?
-a Marylander
Extra History is probably my favorite segment you guys do. I watch a lot of documentaries. But they just aren't as fun as these bits.
Its bloody embarrassing that England failed to take back the colonies from a group of people THIS unorganized and selfish.
History is full of such circumstances. Vietnam, hundreds of different Afghan invasions (including the British), the Spanish in South America and on and on. Really not that surprising.
No, the americans got lucky sometimes, but England also had to rely on german mercenaries, because many englishmen refused to fight their own comrades and they had to ship everything over a absurd distance. They still would have managed though, but the americans got bailed out by France, Spain, the Netherlands and the Mughal Empire, yet England still gained Gibraltar, which triggers Spain to this day.
I’m from Maryland and for some reason I’m not surprised that we did exactly that
This whole story of the disunity of the articles of the confederation nearly destroying the country in its cradle is really important and should be taught more in schools. State rights enthusiasts all go back to the same basic idea that made the confederation not work. We are better united than divided.
Howard Wiggins That's a bit extreme. Even in a state's rights confederate model, you still have a representative form of government that performs its duties on behalf of its citizens, just that having several smaller localized governments supposedly helps them be more responsive and better tailored to the desires of their constituents. Either way, though, you're still answering to a government of some sort at the end of the day.
But with that said, unity between states and having a central authority does *not* mean that its supporters believe that freedom is not worth or that you should close your mind, etc. And pursuing the extreme form of states' rights has plenty of its own problems as well (inconsistencies in legal prosecution, lack of coordination in national defense, vast inefficiencies in building common postal and transportation and communication infrastructure, greater complexity in tax collecting, ineffective regulation of trade and stabilizing a common currency, greater overhead in inter-state communication, and so on).
The best approach is simply taking a middle ground between centralized authority and state's rights, where a neat balance of national unity and local autonomy is found, which is (surprise) precisely the same conclusion the Founding Fathers arrived at when penning the Constitution. State's rights are important for sure and should not be undermined, but some degree of centralized authority is necessary for all the states to survive effectively as a collective, especially during times of war. The real difficulty is deciding on what's the best balance of the two approaches to take, and no one is ever going to agree on the specific. But it's undeniable that a mix of both is good, and going hard-line on one or the other is a recipe for disaster...
0:33 This reminds me of the Spongebob episode where they take care of the clam
Spongebob: Be home by 6:00
Patrick: 6:00
Narrator: 12:00 midnight
"No really we're fine"
That line is great
I love your guys' content, short, sweet, and you go back after each subject to discuss common misconceptions and possible untruths or flat out lies and assumptions. You also throw in facts that are not commonly known about each subject. I consider myself pretty well learned in history, and I learn something each time I watch your extra history. Although, I'll admit, I used to think US History was a boring subject until Donald Trump became president then I started looking at early american history in a different light, in regards to the wealth of knowledge I've been avoiding.
"They needed a financier..."
"And the world's gonna know your name. What's your name, man?"
"Robert Morris
I said my name is Robert Morris,
And Alex is not in this chorus
But just you wait, just you wait."
seeing this channel grow has been amazing, and i hope it will continue to be!
As a European who's history classes contained little to nothing about America's history... This is pretty damn interesting.
Can't wait for the next episode.
Hamilton come in ! Have you met Burr? Yes sir we keep meeting.
After God knows how many years and overwhelming amounts of repetition, you have done the immposible and made American history interesting for me again.
Makes you wonder how the system lasted even as long as it did with all those problems....
There's strong institutions and a liberal distribution of power. Because of this, it's always in a faction's favor to work within the system rather than against it. That's literally the whole reason it works.
This is like when you do a 4x game for the first time and you make that one civic upgrade that is meant to boost the heck out of your civ but you prepared so badly for it that it all becomes chaos the moment you hear "research complete"
"Whereever that was" Hahaha, I love my country.
Reminds me of a quote in the US military: if we don’t know what we’re going to do, how on earth could our enemies?
Man... those Hamilton (the play) quotes are everywhere in this thread.
Have to say guys, I love these, I wish you the best of luck making them even with all you do.
What's his name man?!
(Alexander Hamilton)
My name is Alexander Hamilton. And there's a million things I haven't done. But just you wait! Just you wait.
The hooded cloak XD
"IAH GOTCHU BRO!!!!"
Why did I find this so funny
I absolutely love these series keep it up
Hey it's me again, that one guy from the 1st part
I'm definitely gonna be able to go through the entire class on this alone, it has more information than the actual teacher ever taught us.
Never knew the articles of confederation had several drafts before it got ratified
Great episode as always guys! Dan's facial expressions and body language were hilarious.
Pity they don't do costumes anymore, I wanted to see Dan in a wig...
EC: they needed a grand financier.
me: Alexander Hamilton. his name is Alexander Hamilton...
looks like the states could use some GOOD OLD WALLPOLE
Robert Walpole Knowing you you'll inject money into the country, then convince the people to inject the money you just gave them into literal stock in the country, quietly buy all the stock yourself, wait for America to win, sell your stocks, and then reconstitute the US into Britain making all the shares worthless and you the richest man on earth
It's just
It's the Walpole way
I just want to thank you for including long island on your neat 13 states map. We're too often left off.
Happy 1 Million Subscribers Day!
I'm calling it, next episode has Hamilton.
The US military-industrial-financial complex has its origins in that winter in valley forge. Washington and his aide-de-camp Hamilton remembered that winter bitterly and wanted America to have banks that could issue solid currency and factories that could make warm clothes and shoes and muskets. Hamilton especially did a lot to try to make this happen, even starting a whole town in New Jersey that was supposed to copy scottish weaving machines...except corruption/incompetence got in the way.
Imagine the Articles Of Confederation in 2019.
How awful would that be.
Continental Army: *Needs food and supplies.
Government: *Literally does nothing and then causes rampant inflation.
*Chaos ensues.
Government: “Wait, what?”
Congress writes "George, attack the British forces!", I shoot back "We have resorted to eating our horses!"
It would be awsome if you guys did a seriers about the 30 years war with focus on the diffrent sides and why it happened, what happend, during it, famous battles and the consequences of the war!
As a native Virginian, I'm not sure whether I should feel bad or super proud...I'm gonna go with proud.
That Parks and Rec meme makes you my new favorite channel automatically. Mona Lisa is the WOOOO-OOOOO-OOOOOOOOORST!!!!!!!!!!!
I waaay too happy about Maryland actually being mentioned in a video. I’m sorry I’ll go home now.
Virginia really was like this. I have seen maps at my job (a museum in Virginia) where the map pf Virginia goes in a huge horseshoe that goes up to the great lakes and all the way out to California. Gotta love Virginia!
Articles of Confederation. I.E Part 1 of 2 where Confederacy failed in America.
They already did a series on Bolivar and Gran Colombia, so when ordering EH episodes in order (if not chronologically in terms of the events they describe), this is actually Part 2 of a confederation failing in America.
Ehh, by the end of the Civil War, The Confederacy was more centralized than The Union. They really betrayed that whole "state's rights" front; not much of a confederacy if you ask me
Ironically the state of Georgia attempted to secede from the confederacy near the end, but the CSA congress prevented them from doing so. Though West Virginia actually did successfully secede from it and Virginia.
How West Virginia seceded is an interesting story. The short version is: in the Constitution, it says you can't make a new state that includes part of an existing state without permission from that State's legislature. Well .... What the US recognized as the Virginia Legislature and what Virginia thought was the Virginia Legislature might not be exactly the same thing. ;) Especially if what Virginia thinks is the Virginia Legislature is at war with the US.
So the US contended that the Virginia Legislature agreed to allow that blob in the mountains in the west to secede.
Yay Robert Morris is in the next episode
I love the Act Raiser theme, and it fits perfectly here.
3:24 "local merchants deny us equipment, assistance, they only take British money, so sing a song of six pence"
I've actually been to Valley Forge and had the entire historical tour. It was better conditions in the valley than told by most, wasn't even the worst winter they had to weather
1st episode: Time for a new nation!
2nd episode: We have to loot our own nation!
Local merchants deny us equipment, assistance
They only take British money, so sing a song of sixpence
Someone had to do it
LOVE YOUR HISTORY VIDEOS
"Local merchants deny us equipment, assistance
They only take British money, so sing a song of sixpence"
I'm going to make a quick guess about how Walpole fits in: One of his descendants was a general, wasn't it?
You got to wait for the Lies episode for that little tidbit of information. ;)
Why let the Articles of Confederation get in the way of a good Revolution?
When they said America suffered from hyper inflation, I wondered how they even kept fighting, much less win the war. Had no idea the French back them. Though I shouldn't be surprised. Backing the rivals colony if they rebel seams to be a fairly standard tactic for the time...
im actually quite amazed so thats the reason why congress never helped enough been wondering for years finally got answered
Alexander Hamilton ...His name is Alexander Hamilton
Learned more here than my entire 8th grade history class
5:35 I was honestly expecting a joke that Franklin's new hoby instead of writing constitutions was banging French noblewomen
God, it looks like some things never change, talk about history repeating itself. :P Makes me glad that I'm Canadian.
Was waiting all day for this!
I make it rain! *showers everyone with bills*
Please draw Alexander Hamilton like Lin Manuel Miranda lol xD
Suggestions for future videos:
The life of Davy Crockett
The life of Madame CJ Walker
The rule of Atilla the Hun
Congrats on a million!
NIMBY! I hadn't heard of that till I watched one of George Carlin's HBO shows.
the sterling wasnt the currncy then the pound wasnt called that
Ben Franklin is my favorite founding father . I see why he's on the $100 bill now
Also, it was he and JEFFERSON that went to France, and Ben Franklin's sexual shenanigans gave Jefferson the contacts he needed to get the French on the US's side...
THERE'S A MILLION THINGS I HAVNT DONE JUST YOU WAIT!!
WHAT'S YOUR NAME MAN?
It's sometimes refreshing to look back at history to a time more screwed up than now.
The Mona Lisa picture from Parks and Rec was perfect
"A many headed monster that never will nor can steer to the same point" As some things change with time, some things remain amazingly the same.
Mathmachine make me wonder how all those legendary monsters with more than one head ever got anything done.
I sense a very special immigrant Founding Father coming up next episode...
Disagreements between the power of the state vs the power of the government would continue into the 1860s sadly
I really want you to do an _Extra History_ on calendars. I like this channel. I love your content. This was a good episode. I liked it. You really should consider what I am suggesting. It could be an interesting topic.
It is truly amazing how the British lost to a dysfunctional government. As an American I how did we win under those conditions??????
Britain wasn't the most popular nation on the planet, and a LOT of monarchs wanted to knock them down a peg. Once we lasted long enough to get some help, other nations started backing us and we could get loans from the dutch. Not to mention we kinda paid a lot of privateers to raid British shipping, perks of owning one of the few deep-water harbors on the east coast.
Not to mention a certain individual named John Paul Jones almost managed to torch 200 British ships in port, in British harbors, in Brittan. He only got one torched because of his men deciding the pub was a better target to invade, but he still managed to scare the !@#$ out of the brits with that one torched ship.
Not exactly a shock that in a war that was in large part started over raising taxes, that the states are not going to want to raise taxes for a different government organisation
It would be interesting to see a video on the whiskey rebellion. From what I remember it was exactly this problem that lead to that, right?
How fitting is Walpole here :-) just awesome
I wonder if they also tried to appeal to the Dutch. After all the Dutch were one of the few powerful republics in the world and had won their independence in a large war as well. Their most influential provinces were also protestant. On top of all the similarities the Dutch were also major rivals to the British in the East Indies were their trade companies vied for dominance.
The Articles of Confederation are ready! Congress sends them to the states for ratification... and the bickering begins.
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Is that financier wapole?
Thus began the train of Hamilton references and jokes in the comment section.
Extra Credits How many people work in the history dep for extra credits?
Extra Credits please make a episode with George Washington or Napoleon Bonaparte
After my comment on the last video I feel like I personally contributed to this episode and that feeling made my day