It you have a high end brand it doesn't hurt to have a minimal stamp logo to show genuinity somewhere it won't usually be seen like the rear. Imo dmitri has always been the top creator for case reviews. Always well balanced and so much experience with other cases. Plus sexy b-roll
@@HardwareCanucks I appreaciate that they are confident enough in their design that they don't feel like they need a brand logo. Though a sticker in the box for people that need/want that might not have been a bad idea
I think when you're paying THIS much for a case, the primary audience for this wants something that looks "custom" or "professional IT" with no logo. This manufacturer knows their market.
@@HardwareCanucks Funnily enough, Dan asked for feedback specifically about the logo, which used to be on the front of the case - it was removed after people said they wanted a clean look
360 aio support in ITX is kind of redundant when you consider the options currently on the market that can already support a 280. plus its not all about raw radiator density but rather a clean and efficient airflow path, which is why this C4 in air cooled configuration works so damn well.
NR200 = 18L / $99 C4-SFX = 15L / $229 More than double the price for a mere 3L reduction in volume? These ITX case manufacturers are out of their minds with those prices.
You've obviously never seen how big the difference is in quality when it comes to the materials for these cases have. I have the SSUPD meshlicious and that destroys the NR200 in terms of quality. The panels, fit and finish, and materials are way ahead of the cheap constructing of the nr200. That's where the price goes.
@@pkpnyt4711 Cheap constructing of nr200p ? lol!.. Your are talking about 2020 Case of the year . C4-sfx has great materials fine.. that doesn't mean nr200 has cheap build quality. I have nr200p white and it looks great , performs great , great price .. supports matx , atx psu.. 17 litres .. 80$
@Mr.X I've had the nr200 and it's cheaply made. It's a pretty good case, but you've never had any of the sfx cases here to compare the material quality, nor the fit and finish. The nr200 has a plastic top and the mesroom nor the one mentioned in the OP are all higher quality than that. It also became case of the year because a lot of people bought it for it's price to performance. It doesn't mean it'll perform better or look nicer than the two cases I mentioned.
The paradox thing is, the bigger you make the case, the more ppl might buy it. But at some point it gets too big to fulfil the ITX idea and it becomes useless.
It’s just not as compelling to get itx parts which are more expensive and end up putting them in a case that’s getting close to matx. Not a problem for this case at least.
@@sagnaik with the nr200p max, I heavily disagree. It's 18.5L and provides better cooling for the gpu and Cpu than any other itx case. Also let's you run a vertical 4090fe with tempered glass and have insanely good temps while doing it.
@@sagnaik Getting obsessed with how many liters over all other factors is pointless. Cooling, compatibility, desk footprint, and aesthetics just to name a few things. Case price and availability as well.
Man, even with all of the great features and fitment, kinda feels like the NR200 is still the case to beat. Especially when it comes to price (got mine for $60 USD after rebate).
they are completely different cases; NR200 (18L) is ≈4L larger but has much better compatibility. I think the direct competitor of NR200 is silverstone SG14 (19.55L), don't know why it doesn't get much attention though.
@@DaddyBenson - Cases in general don't get that much attention simply because there are so many to choose from. And it's also a component that doesn't need upgrading often.
Air cooling is the main reason to buy this case. Finally something not AIO focused. Maybe I will switch to this case from NR200, it will only require new CPU cooler.
I would love to see you guys build a custom loop inside this case, the compatibility options are so expansive that it'd be very interesting (and educational) to see what you guys could pull out of the hat 👌👌 I've preordered this case but it won't arrive until August 😭😭😂😂
It's the same size as the SSUPD MESHROOM S (15l), but the meshroom can fit atx, matx, or itx mobos. It'll also fit two 280/240 rads if you wish. You can also use atx, sfx/l psu. The kicker is, it can also fit 4 slot thick gpus. It's also a little bit cheaper than this.
I agree, current gen GPUs have become so big that horizontal cases require too many sacrifices and hassle to be worth it. And if these horizontal cases follow the same trend they would take up too much desk space. Vertically oriented cases like the Meshroom seem to be the only logical way forward.
Yeah the new Meshroom S V2 is going to be even better. Just a matter if you want ALL the things in a tiny case, or something specifically catered to a few components. -D.
Been waiting for this case for a few months now. 2 days till general release and I will definitely be getting it and pairing it with my 4090 fe as my new htpc.
Hey Dimitri, on your comment about the D15, if you look closely on the render you can see that it's actually the D12L (look at the tower width and the jagged edge pattern). So it's really not their fault, they showed what will work and it worked perfectly, people just need to look closer sometimes.
This case looks great for entry into ITX! the prices though... I think with my next PC I`ll consider changing to smaller MiniATX or ITX + smaller case.
Honestly if I can fit it in a bag then it's SFF enough for me. SFF for me is when I moved from CT to TX in 2020, right when the rona happened, and my carry-on was 3 bags. This is what was in there if I can remember completely. xD Tech Backback PC; Fractal Node 202 Corsair SFX 750 Ryzen 5 2600 Asus B450I Corsair LPX 3200MHZ 2x8GB Noctua L9a with Silent Wings 3 120mm PWM AMD 5700XT Crucial P1 NVME 1 TB Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB Accessories; Razer keyboard (It's really old and I forgot the model) Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum Corsair Void Pro headset Logitech C920 Tools for my PC Monitor stands for the 2x22in Viotek GFV22CB Cables for everything 2nd carry-on bag; 2x22in Viotek GFV22CB wrapped in LOTS of bubble wrap 3rd carry-on bag; Rode Podmic Rode PSA-1 Arm Focusrite Scarlett Solo 2nd Gen Backup Roccat Kone Pure Military Edition mouse Audio-Technica ATH-M20X Extra PSU cables Mobo accessories in a small shock proof container Snackbars You should've seen TSA when they sent my bags through the X-Ray machine, and they couldn't figure out what on earth they were looking at. They asked me to open my bags. I thought everyone behind me was gonna get pissed cause it's 3 big carry-on bags and the line was long. Everyone seemed genuinely interested when they saw I literally packed everything needed to set up shop and game into 3 bags. Only things missing was a desk and a chair. That's when I found out about pre-check xD It was a fun time hauling that stuff around and even the airport PD wanted to take a look because they'd never seen someone carry-on tech like this. Someone even suggested I was a government analyst. Part of me wanted to be like "Yup just going on a short assignment", but then I was like nahhhh I don't wanna be a prison bitch.
yeap, this is very convinient case format for those who has limited space or travels a lot. It can handle middle to high end hardware and has good air flow. But price is definetely can be lower.
The cutout for the PCI-E card lock is nice! Granted, I'm a heathen and just remove them from any ITX board anyways since I'm not interested in stabbing my mobo with a screwdriver to remove the GPU.
The problem with all the Dan cases for me in the price. In Europe a Dan case with a pricetag of over €200 when you can get something like an NR200P for 80 new and 60 euro's second hand?
The problem with ITX cases is that every generation components get bigger. The case might be too small for the next cooler, next gpu, next psu. I prefer a high end bigger atx case, cause I'm sure that I can keep it for 10 years without any problem (like the O11 XL).
The "next" list is patently false. It can already accommodate a 280 rad & good coolers aren't getting bigger, they're getting smaller as evidenced by the D12-L. GPUs have gotten thicker the past gen, but it easily accommodates 3+ slot designs. Those aren't going anywhere. And psu? There are already several 1000+ watt sfx & sfx-l psus. There are reasons to go for bigger sizes, but it's none of these.
@@dvnwllms Future will be smaller, but at the moment, it's not still great. Failure rate of sfx psus over 850w is much higher than atx psus. If you want to stay on air, D15S or similar are still kinda big. And high end gpus, 4090, or even 3080, are monsters :D. I have a mini itx TU150 as htpc, and that's fine, but as main pc mini itx is not ideal.
@@simoSLJ89 There are tons of people running 4090s in sub 10L cases with no problems. Haven't seen anybody who planned properly complain about a much smaller 3080 in SFF either, sounds like a skill issue to me. Citation needed on the failure rates as well. I know earlier on Corsair had problems, but they aren't the makers of the 1k+ watt models - that's Silverstone, Thermaltake, Coolermaster, & (sadly) Asus. The problems you have with your case aren't an excuse to generalize.
I don't understand how one can "love working" with cases that have no cable management and where you have to dismantle everything to just access the ram tbh. It's just a building and management/troubleshooting nightmare for the sake of saving 10 liters.
Being in the SFF world, the price doesn't boggle my mind. You have to keep in mind, this really is a niche product for enthusiasts and, for decent quality and well thought out design, I would say cases up to 200€ are cheap. SFF is not for amateur gamers on a budget after all. The building process alone (along with the planing process of which components you buy, what order you mount the components and the management to make a tidy build) is probably where most will quit the idea. It is definitely no plug-and-play
Going with the comments that say the case will become too big to fulfill the ITX culture... WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT PUSHING FOR GPU MANUFACTURERS TO CUT DOWN THESE RIDICULOUSLY THICK GPUs?!?!?! 🤯😫😵💫
Looks to be a fantastic case but not enough to make me change out my SAMA IM01. At only ~22L it's small enough for me to not notice it, and the price has just been too good to beat.
While I'm happy with my purchases so far (DAN A4-SFX, NCase M1, DAN C4-SFX), the SAMA looks awesome. Would be too big for me, though. The C4-SFX is already going into my "certified big" category.
@@cy-one I think the size difference between this case and the NR200 is enough to consider it. I am going to assume it wil also take top spot in GPU thermals. My biggest consideration for this case is the X2 280 rad cooling set up.
@@Zalionn Yeah, the NR200 is rather big in comparison. But it's a _very capable_ case for ITX on a budget. And considering the ITX tax, that's always a good place to start. While I have no plans to ever get an NR200, it's a case I've recommended a few times. Also, let's hope my C4-SFX comes at the end of the week :3
I don't get why it is positive to not have a GPU riser cable. Looks so much better with a GPU standing vertically that horizontally.. but maybe it's just me...
Lmao it's just like building a normal PC really...I've done a lot of nr200 builds and it hardly feels that different. In fact, sometimes it feels easier. People are dramatic when they say you gotta be experience to build sff. That experience isn't really needed until you go sub 10-liters or water-cooling.
I was waiting for this case all last year but I’m now waiting for the M1 evo. I love my current m1 and the m1 evo looks like it’ll be the same just slightly longer and flipped. The C4 looks great but that front IO kills it for me
Wonder if something like a 4080 or 90 with a water block on it would fit. Do 2 rads. Depending on the space between the card and the top rad you may need thin fans. Probably soft toobing. Have the cpu in the loop as well.
I went with nr200p because I can have an hdd, 2 2.5 inch ssd. I probably wont move on from 2.5 inch ssd for a while. Just planning to buy a NAS takes a while. M2 is also 1.5-2x the price in asia market. Edit: In short, I personally disagree with the "stick with m2". While I love itx, I also love a lot of storage plus its cheaper
Have one due here any day... still on the fence between liquid and air... interested in the air for less cables only. May just have to pull the trigger on the air components
It's much better now, at least from a POV of cables. All of my SFX units come with small and somewhat flexible cables, so routing is somewhat manageable without loosing hair. -D.
I have an idea for bypassing windows. I haven't tried this yet though. But if you have a controller with extra mappable buttons you can map keyboard buttons to the controller and just map enter to the controller.
I was actually looking for a small-ish form factor case! I am deciding between the ASUS ap201 and fractal torrent nano, but these cases seem to be starting to interest me! 🎉
Do you know similar small case that would fit the second 4090 inside? I need to connect two 4090 with NVLink for machine learning. But I can't find any good small factor solution...
i just wish u could put recent hardware as nobody will be buying a new case to but 5 gens hardware in it. i myself would like to put a 12-13 gen in a case like this but they dont pack the same heat.
This is NOTHING BUT A CLONE of Jonsplus i100 Pro Version G case that came out about a year or more ago. But the i100 can fit dual slim 360mm rads with slim fans
Looks like they tried to compete with the nr200 but forgot the nr200 is 1/3 the price. This ain't it when they have cases like the meshlicious with a smaller footprint and better aesthetically imo. Nothing wrong with riser cables. Not sure why everyone complains about them so much. Ya there's a potential for issue but nowadays it's pretty rare.
Can't believe you want a logo on it
Like that’s the entire point 🤦♂️
It is. Logos suck
Of course he does, Dimitri always has shit takes in his case reviews, I don't tend to watch them for that very reason 🤷♂️
It you have a high end brand it doesn't hurt to have a minimal stamp logo to show genuinity somewhere it won't usually be seen like the rear. Imo dmitri has always been the top creator for case reviews. Always well balanced and so much experience with other cases. Plus sexy b-roll
@@boo3427 not everything needs to be branded
I couldn't disagree with you more about the logo critique. I DON'T WANT any logos on my case.
Haha, i dont mean doing something outrages, but a logo at the back (like they've done with previous cases) would be appropriate branding.
-D.
@@HardwareCanucks I appreaciate that they are confident enough in their design that they don't feel like they need a brand logo. Though a sticker in the box for people that need/want that might not have been a bad idea
I think when you're paying THIS much for a case, the primary audience for this wants something that looks "custom" or "professional IT" with no logo. This manufacturer knows their market.
@@HardwareCanucks Funnily enough, Dan asked for feedback specifically about the logo, which used to be on the front of the case - it was removed after people said they wanted a clean look
User name checks out XD
Lian-Li x Dan Case A3 is going to be where it's at. Worth waiting for over this solely because of the 360mm radiator support
Excited for that one too!
-D.
At added side.. kinda defeats small form factor. This case can run it all at great temps.
@@HardwareCanucks i would love to have small form factors with dual 240 rad configuration case for my next build
@@HardwareCanucks Damn shame it got delayed; was supposed to come out in March, but fingers crossed for a soon release date 🤞
360 aio support in ITX is kind of redundant when you consider the options currently on the market that can already support a 280. plus its not all about raw radiator density but rather a clean and efficient airflow path, which is why this C4 in air cooled configuration works so damn well.
Love the little shot touching the material, that’s the type detail someone really interested in the case would want to know. Bravo!
Happy to hear 😃 … while others were complaining 😂 about the same shot.
-D.
One of the best cases that one can't buy... Such a shame that it's not available anymore after only a few months of being on sale.
Black just in stock in Australia that is.
NR200 = 18L / $99
C4-SFX = 15L / $229
More than double the price for a mere 3L reduction in volume? These ITX case manufacturers are out of their minds with those prices.
You've obviously never seen how big the difference is in quality when it comes to the materials for these cases have. I have the SSUPD meshlicious and that destroys the NR200 in terms of quality. The panels, fit and finish, and materials are way ahead of the cheap constructing of the nr200. That's where the price goes.
Law of diminishing returns. Ncase M1 is 13L and was $200+ as well
With that said, the H20 is is 11L for $170
@@pkpnyt4711 Cheap constructing of nr200p ? lol!.. Your are talking about 2020 Case of the year . C4-sfx has great materials fine.. that doesn't mean nr200 has cheap build quality. I have nr200p white and it looks great , performs great , great price .. supports matx , atx psu.. 17 litres .. 80$
Imagine not buying the Thermaltake Tower 100. $100, Full ATx psu support. Full height cooler support. 335mm GPU support. And thermaltake quality. SMDH
@Mr.X I've had the nr200 and it's cheaply made. It's a pretty good case, but you've never had any of the sfx cases here to compare the material quality, nor the fit and finish. The nr200 has a plastic top and the mesroom nor the one mentioned in the OP are all higher quality than that. It also became case of the year because a lot of people bought it for it's price to performance. It doesn't mean it'll perform better or look nicer than the two cases I mentioned.
Cant wait for the v2 to come out.
This is a proper case review. Loved the little insights!
The paradox thing is, the bigger you make the case, the more ppl might buy it. But at some point it gets too big to fulfil the ITX idea and it becomes useless.
I see a bell curve somewhere in this.
I mean, it's still useful; it's just no longer a mini ITX case.
It’s just not as compelling to get itx parts which are more expensive and end up putting them in a case that’s getting close to matx. Not a problem for this case at least.
@@sagnaik with the nr200p max, I heavily disagree. It's 18.5L and provides better cooling for the gpu and Cpu than any other itx case. Also let's you run a vertical 4090fe with tempered glass and have insanely good temps while doing it.
@@sagnaik Getting obsessed with how many liters over all other factors is pointless. Cooling, compatibility, desk footprint, and aesthetics just to name a few things. Case price and availability as well.
Such a good in depth review. I always admire the scripts of this channel’s product reviews
Love the editing and graphics on your last couple videos. Top notch.
I cannot believe this even fits an AIO. Damn. Simple case, but well designed!
Yeah it's an awesome case. Surprised it fits large CPU heatsinks.
-D.
The “it’s never available” case
The NR200 is a well built case for its price. It can fit my existing ATX power supply and 3.5 HDD with or without some 3rd party brackets.
I would love your take on the Sliger S620 case! The biggest advantage being it can support the NH-D15!
Man, even with all of the great features and fitment, kinda feels like the NR200 is still the case to beat. Especially when it comes to price (got mine for $60 USD after rebate).
Yeah the NR200 is crazy good value for fitment and compatibility. Just doesn’t feel anywhere near as good quality as the C4. That’s expected tho.
-D.
they are completely different cases; NR200 (18L) is ≈4L larger but has much better compatibility. I think the direct competitor of NR200 is silverstone SG14 (19.55L), don't know why it doesn't get much attention though.
@@DaddyBenson - Cases in general don't get that much attention simply because there are so many to choose from. And it's also a component that doesn't need upgrading often.
@@DaddyBenson DAN C4-SFX is 17.4L big
great for dust lovers
Air cooling is the main reason to buy this case. Finally something not AIO focused. Maybe I will switch to this case from NR200, it will only require new CPU cooler.
One thing i wish the case allowed users to do is to flip the orientation back to a normal setup.
This is basiclly an NCase M1 but better imo.
I would love to see you guys build a custom loop inside this case, the compatibility options are so expansive that it'd be very interesting (and educational) to see what you guys could pull out of the hat 👌👌
I've preordered this case but it won't arrive until August 😭😭😂😂
It's the same size as the SSUPD MESHROOM S (15l), but the meshroom can fit atx, matx, or itx mobos. It'll also fit two 280/240 rads if you wish. You can also use atx, sfx/l psu. The kicker is, it can also fit 4 slot thick gpus. It's also a little bit cheaper than this.
lol meshroom is an awesome case name
I agree, current gen GPUs have become so big that horizontal cases require too many sacrifices and hassle to be worth it. And if these horizontal cases follow the same trend they would take up too much desk space. Vertically oriented cases like the Meshroom seem to be the only logical way forward.
but Meshroom uses a riser cable 💩
Yeah the new Meshroom S V2 is going to be even better. Just a matter if you want ALL the things in a tiny case, or something specifically catered to a few components.
-D.
@@HardwareCanucks There's a newer Meshroom incoming?
Been waiting for this case for a few months now. 2 days till general release and I will definitely be getting it and pairing it with my 4090 fe as my new htpc.
Hey Dimitri, on your comment about the D15, if you look closely on the render you can see that it's actually the D12L (look at the tower width and the jagged edge pattern). So it's really not their fault, they showed what will work and it worked perfectly, people just need to look closer sometimes.
Yup 😂 at a glance I got confused. But ofc knowing there are other dual towers from Noctua will remove the confusion.
-D.
I don’t think logos should be a staple in design, the build quality should speak for itself.
I. Can't. Stand... SLI riser cables.
Great video 👍
This case looks great for entry into ITX! the prices though...
I think with my next PC I`ll consider changing to smaller MiniATX or ITX + smaller case.
Good MicroATX with good IO is hard to come by.
Now I need to see a fully water cooled system in this case.
I feel like that's where this case is going to shine. If X2 280 is possible...dam.
Honestly if I can fit it in a bag then it's SFF enough for me. SFF for me is when I moved from CT to TX in 2020, right when the rona happened, and my carry-on was 3 bags. This is what was in there if I can remember completely. xD
Tech Backback
PC;
Fractal Node 202
Corsair SFX 750
Ryzen 5 2600
Asus B450I
Corsair LPX 3200MHZ 2x8GB
Noctua L9a with Silent Wings 3 120mm PWM
AMD 5700XT
Crucial P1 NVME 1 TB
Samsung 860 EVO 1 TB
Accessories;
Razer keyboard (It's really old and I forgot the model)
Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum
Corsair Void Pro headset
Logitech C920
Tools for my PC
Monitor stands for the 2x22in Viotek GFV22CB
Cables for everything
2nd carry-on bag;
2x22in Viotek GFV22CB wrapped in LOTS of bubble wrap
3rd carry-on bag;
Rode Podmic
Rode PSA-1 Arm
Focusrite Scarlett Solo 2nd Gen
Backup Roccat Kone Pure Military Edition mouse
Audio-Technica ATH-M20X
Extra PSU cables
Mobo accessories in a small shock proof container
Snackbars
You should've seen TSA when they sent my bags through the X-Ray machine, and they couldn't figure out what on earth they were looking at. They asked me to open my bags. I thought everyone behind me was gonna get pissed cause it's 3 big carry-on bags and the line was long. Everyone seemed genuinely interested when they saw I literally packed everything needed to set up shop and game into 3 bags. Only things missing was a desk and a chair. That's when I found out about pre-check xD It was a fun time hauling that stuff around and even the airport PD wanted to take a look because they'd never seen someone carry-on tech like this. Someone even suggested I was a government analyst. Part of me wanted to be like "Yup just going on a short assignment", but then I was like nahhhh I don't wanna be a prison bitch.
yeap, this is very convinient case format for those who has limited space or travels a lot. It can handle middle to high end hardware and has good air flow. But price is definetely can be lower.
The cutout for the PCI-E card lock is nice! Granted, I'm a heathen and just remove them from any ITX board anyways since I'm not interested in stabbing my mobo with a screwdriver to remove the GPU.
Wake me up when they make an ATX or EATX tower.
The problem with all the Dan cases for me in the price. In Europe a Dan case with a pricetag of over €200 when you can get something like an NR200P for 80 new and 60 euro's second hand?
great case. can't wait to buy this case when it comes to my country
I love my ncase m1. Best itx case i bought. No plans of changing it.
Woo hoo! Was waiting for your review
The problem with ITX cases is that every generation components get bigger.
The case might be too small for the next cooler, next gpu, next psu.
I prefer a high end bigger atx case, cause I'm sure that I can keep it for 10 years without any problem (like the O11 XL).
The "next" list is patently false. It can already accommodate a 280 rad & good coolers aren't getting bigger, they're getting smaller as evidenced by the D12-L. GPUs have gotten thicker the past gen, but it easily accommodates 3+ slot designs. Those aren't going anywhere. And psu? There are already several 1000+ watt sfx & sfx-l psus. There are reasons to go for bigger sizes, but it's none of these.
@@dvnwllms Future will be smaller, but at the moment, it's not still great. Failure rate of sfx psus over 850w is much higher than atx psus. If you want to stay on air, D15S or similar are still kinda big. And high end gpus, 4090, or even 3080, are monsters :D.
I have a mini itx TU150 as htpc, and that's fine, but as main pc mini itx is not ideal.
@@simoSLJ89 There are tons of people running 4090s in sub 10L cases with no problems. Haven't seen anybody who planned properly complain about a much smaller 3080 in SFF either, sounds like a skill issue to me. Citation needed on the failure rates as well. I know earlier on Corsair had problems, but they aren't the makers of the 1k+ watt models - that's Silverstone, Thermaltake, Coolermaster, & (sadly) Asus. The problems you have with your case aren't an excuse to generalize.
@@dvnwllms I don't have any problem with my case, that's just my take on sff builds. You have yours. Have fun.
Any news about NCASE M1EVO?
Waiting on that too.
I have a 4000D for my current setup but all the ITX builds have me considering one for when I ever upgrade.
I don't understand how one can "love working" with cases that have no cable management and where you have to dismantle everything to just access the ram tbh. It's just a building and management/troubleshooting nightmare for the sake of saving 10 liters.
Noctua C14s and L12s is the best for this type of case.
A great looking compact itx case by Dan Cases / Lian Li 🥰🤩👍💪.
Nice review, thanks! I'm wondering if the top fans cause air turbulance noise. But will know that soon enough. :)
The metal mesh is large enough, so keeping the top fans on low (
Since the GPU fans are pretty close to the top panel, could you get away without any top fans at all?
I thought your logo was the Loss meme before realizing the initials were HC lol
Almost $380 at your Amazon link. Is this the scalper you were warning about.
I have had a couple of Lian Li itx cases There the best. Needs to drop about 50 buck though. Thanks for the video. You rock. :)
Just looked up specs on the ASUS ProArt RTX 4080 Super GPU, looks like it will fit! 300 x 120 x 50 mm
Being in the SFF world, the price doesn't boggle my mind. You have to keep in mind, this really is a niche product for enthusiasts and, for decent quality and well thought out design, I would say cases up to 200€ are cheap. SFF is not for amateur gamers on a budget after all. The building process alone (along with the planing process of which components you buy, what order you mount the components and the management to make a tidy build) is probably where most will quit the idea. It is definitely no plug-and-play
This case looks so good!!
would be nice if you could include GPU thickness fitment parameters in your videos
This is art
Oh my. Looks like I'll be doing another build.
This case supports 340mm GPUs as long they are 3 slots max width. I have the 6950 XT MERC319 in mine no problems.
I miss the old reviews.
I really like the darkFlash DLH21.
ok, BUT can it fit matx, atx, or eatx lol
Going with the comments that say the case will become too big to fulfill the ITX culture... WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT PUSHING FOR GPU MANUFACTURERS TO CUT DOWN THESE RIDICULOUSLY THICK GPUs?!?!?! 🤯😫😵💫
That's great. I’ve been looking for a garage.
Wow! That's awesome ....
Debating between this or the NR200. The C4 seems to have slightly better cooling and build quality but at almost triple the price. Any thoughts?
I like that this is smaller.
I have a NR200 and looking at the C4… I mean, yeah it’s a bit smaller and yeah I’m kinda bored of mine… but >200€
If only this is available.....
Looks to be a fantastic case but not enough to make me change out my SAMA IM01. At only ~22L it's small enough for me to not notice it, and the price has just been too good to beat.
Bro, only $80? I've been looking for temporary small case under $100. This is probably it.
While I'm happy with my purchases so far (DAN A4-SFX, NCase M1, DAN C4-SFX), the SAMA looks awesome. Would be too big for me, though. The C4-SFX is already going into my "certified big" category.
@@cy-one I think the size difference between this case and the NR200 is enough to consider it. I am going to assume it wil also take top spot in GPU thermals. My biggest consideration for this case is the X2 280 rad cooling set up.
@@Zalionn Yeah, the NR200 is rather big in comparison. But it's a _very capable_ case for ITX on a budget. And considering the ITX tax, that's always a good place to start.
While I have no plans to ever get an NR200, it's a case I've recommended a few times.
Also, let's hope my C4-SFX comes at the end of the week :3
You can fit almost any gpu with deshroding
a practical development
Using D30 and available in the same sentence is hilarious
I don't get why it is positive to not have a GPU riser cable. Looks so much better with a GPU standing vertically that horizontally.. but maybe it's just me...
I'd love to see a watercooled setup in this case
No dust filters. It will get dirty real quick. How about 3rd party filters, will they fit?
That USB-C only front IO is begging for a dock
Yeah, true for most ITX cases today they give one USB-A and C.
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MSI 4090 fits in here just fine.. you can use SOME 4080, and 4090 cards in here..
Super cute case. Maybe once I am more skilled will build one.
You don’t need to be skilled to build this honestly 😊
Lmao it's just like building a normal PC really...I've done a lot of nr200 builds and it hardly feels that different. In fact, sometimes it feels easier. People are dramatic when they say you gotta be experience to build sff. That experience isn't really needed until you go sub 10-liters or water-cooling.
If only it was vertical like the Nzxt h1. But still really cool!
I was waiting for this case all last year but I’m now waiting for the M1 evo. I love my current m1 and the m1 evo looks like it’ll be the same just slightly longer and flipped. The C4 looks great but that front IO kills it for me
Wonder if something like a 4080 or 90 with a water block on it would fit. Do 2 rads. Depending on the space between the card and the top rad you may need thin fans. Probably soft toobing. Have the cpu in the loop as well.
It's like a smaller and better nr200 ❤
Better 🤷
AFAIK there are quite a few custom RTX 4000 cards that fit in there.
I went with nr200p because I can have an hdd, 2 2.5 inch ssd. I probably wont move on from 2.5 inch ssd for a while. Just planning to buy a NAS takes a while. M2 is also 1.5-2x the price in asia market.
Edit: In short, I personally disagree with the "stick with m2". While I love itx, I also love a lot of storage plus its cheaper
But...but.... I love my SAMA IM01! And its like $69 😅
STAR-LORD WILL RETURN!
Have one due here any day... still on the fence between liquid and air... interested in the air for less cables only. May just have to pull the trigger on the air components
a custom loop would be possible with a single slot gpu you have room for a rad on top and on the side
I’ve seen people put MSI Suprim 4090s with no issues
I have the HYTE Revolt 3, which is “kinda” a vertical version of this case.
This case would have been perfect with a handle. Where am I gonna get a small form factor case I can carry around and has 3 slots for a 6800XT?
I have a secondhand nightmare working with mini ITX. Even if it was almost a decade ago. The pain is still there ....
It's much better now, at least from a POV of cables. All of my SFX units come with small and somewhat flexible cables, so routing is somewhat manageable without loosing hair.
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I have an idea for bypassing windows. I haven't tried this yet though. But if you have a controller with extra mappable buttons you can map keyboard buttons to the controller and just map enter to the controller.
Considering it doesn't need a riser I am surprised for the price, too expensive.
Can't believe anyone would go for this over the N200 slaps it down the street on price
This case is just never in stock, wonder what is the issue preventing its production, shortage of aluminum?
I was actually looking for a small-ish form factor case! I am deciding between the ASUS ap201 and fractal torrent nano, but these cases seem to be starting to interest me! 🎉
Here's another vote for a custom loop in this case.
Am I right, that this case is not available anymore for purchase? Thats so sad...
what do you think will my 4090 Inno3d fit in the case?
not different enough than the NR200. In my opinion, The Formd T1 still takes the cake as the nicest ITX case
I had the same thought! It's a great case, but it just doesn't excite me. T1 just has a better identity.
Will you ever do a full build guide for this?
Do you know similar small case that would fit the second 4090 inside? I need to connect two 4090 with NVLink for machine learning. But I can't find any good small factor solution...
i just wish u could put recent hardware as nobody will be buying a new case to but 5 gens hardware in it. i myself would like to put a 12-13 gen in a case like this but they dont pack the same heat.
This is NOTHING BUT A CLONE of Jonsplus i100 Pro Version G case that came out about a year or more ago. But the i100 can fit dual slim 360mm rads with slim fans
What keyboard are you using? I love the sleek black!
That’s my Asus ROG Azoth 🥰 absolutely love it for my daily gaming.
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Just buy inno3D, PNY verto or MSI ventus models. 100% percent power limit is enough for max OC (3000Mhz)
Looks like they tried to compete with the nr200 but forgot the nr200 is 1/3 the price. This ain't it when they have cases like the meshlicious with a smaller footprint and better aesthetically imo. Nothing wrong with riser cables. Not sure why everyone complains about them so much. Ya there's a potential for issue but nowadays it's pretty rare.