I wished she was kLlEd back then. Second worst and most useless character after Flay. Also, really bad pilot. Every pilot she used had A.I., and thry give her command of a ship and a nation? Flawless logic right there.
@@fenrir_Lokison9she's only "useless" in Destiny because of Morosawa's beef with Cagalli's VA behind the scenes, and Morosawa subsequently making her irrelevant towards the end of the season.
To be fair, Lacus is quite a sinister force in CE. While she just wants to be an idol, she was forced to continue on her father's legacy and she is damn good at it. Puts Athrun's and Cagali's dad to shame when it came to scheming.
Would be even more interesting if she really has her own agenda in things. Cause to be frank, her influences over the world events is quite....substantial as it is.
Honestly Lacus, and Kira couple, or even Cagalli, and Athrun are powerful enough to create a new monarchy that could rule the entire earth shere to keep the peace, and the only enemy faction would be Blue Cosmos. However I think that Lacus would only want to live quietly with Kira, and maybe even create her own family.
Funny thing is, your version of the plan is my usual tactic I use in Cross Rays, 1 team of 5 high-speed mobile suits to assault the enemy with 4 slower suits to defend my ships.
Yeah. Ships move slow range wise even with the booster and mobility stat increases. Once you level your suits and pilots enough, they can always extend with the meteor units while the caps just clean up. Doubly so if they are 00 units or nuclear powered for the energy regen. You basically never have to return to the carrier with those unless. You want a catapult boost.
@@Bladescorpion83adding on, this is also a very common tactic in SRW games, especially when you want to extend the range of your heavy-hitting, but short movement range units. By keeping track of your ship's retrieval range, you can literally slingshot any unit you want to the "front lines". In some cases, you can practically DOUBLE some units' movements range.
7:54 At this rate, Cagali should have her own line of Light Novels, Manga, Anime, Tokusatsu, Movies &, Streaming Blu-Ray. Also, that Battle Plan screams "Premium Bandai" all the way!
I find it funny that the gundam wiki says the 3 ships alliance was deployed during the compass conflict because it was kinda true switching out the archangel for millenium
@@HEAVYROBOT-rp8sn Probably not as the Millennium was commandeered by Muru plus Compass kind of disbanded after the whole nuclear attack debacle set up by Foundation so the Millennium would kind of be side lined as the commander of the ship isn't willing to take the risk of not getting branded as a traitor.
9:06 I love my Astray girls, especially Juri but we all know that if they survived through Destiny, if Zaft didn't get them before then the fuckening that they call Shinn Asuka would definitely fold these three.
Eh, original plan is Shinn becoming the 4th pilot similar to Gundam 00 (Setsuna). We finally got this with SEED Freedom but he's taken the backseat instead of being the protag. Would've been cool to have the original be aired where Shinn fights Rey while Kira, Athrun and Mu fights the 3 junkies.
never understand why people want Shinn to become the main character so much we don't need a new Kamille, Character like Kamille only work in 80s because people are tough love back then
@@trollinoakenshield9822 ...No? They want someone well adjusted, focused on their goal and get things done. Not perfect by any means, and Destiny Kira is awful in that regard, but Shin isn't it.
@@716_ハディくん because for SEED Destiny, it truly is HIS story. In the very beginning, we are still following mainly his perspective (until it shifts early on to the point that it demanded a redo of the movie in Athrun's perspective). It goes to show how mishandled the series was. First and foremost, the tricolore color scheme is for the main protagonist. The tricolore and axis/soviet colors have been a staple narrative device in gundam universe. Unless they are doing team, then they go the power rangers route as we see with the original 4 out of the 5 (with Strike gundam being the tricolore). Or with Gundam Wing series and 00 and so on where the series focuses on ensemble cast. The other one is making the antagonist a darker version of the protagonist. The whole tricolore vs "red" was largely influenced by the Cold War or WW2. Shinn IS the protagonist (even from the title card). He was never planned as the antagonist. Perhaps an anti-hero or a counterpart for Kira, but he and Kira are never protagonist and antagonist of one another (which is why Shinn's final showdown is was Athrun and not Kira).
I mean, if I was in charge of the three ships alliance, I would have used some of Lacus seemingly infinite ability to hijack military equipment to get the Gunbarrel Striker Pack for Mu... and just have Mu be the centerpiece of the strategy instead of Kagali. The Strike Rogue and the M1A would play gap filling behind Mu, the M1 a net. Seriously I'm not sure Mu with a Gunbarrel Strike Gundam wouldn't be a bit more scary than even the nuclear powered mobile suits.
@@eight-cloudspurple5871 Yea the Archangel has no contact with the Junk Guild plus Jury rigging a Mobile Armor's cockpit to a Mobile Suit is impossible since the design is so different.
@@CaptainIchimaruGin I mean you are right but its also happened before. I n the... I think GBA games? They literally turn Mu's Moebious 0 into a striker pack... somehow.
@@m.b.7560 Gunbarrel striker pack is just a striker pack they created by using the Moebius 0 as the base. Sure it still function like a normal mobile armor, but it's main purpose is to dock with the mobile suit it's designed for. The mobile suit's cockpit doesn't change as the Gunbarrel striker pack just dock with the unit.
You should do a video on Lacus's attempts at world domination as an in-universe conspiracy theorist. If ZAFT didn't have GENESIS, the most effective strategy would've been to act as an interception force to prevent OMNI and ZAFT from confronting each other while slowly whittling down their resources and morale. Using the Freedom and Justice with the METEOR units and the M1A Astrays to do hit and run attacks would also be effective. "As long as the war continues, none of you are safe."
I remember someone did it in Mandarin some time ago. Too bad the vid have no sub title. Esp he dub his voice as Lacus. ua-cam.com/video/YOqsAOXDDu0/v-deo.html
Without foreknoweldge like the existence of Genesis or Rau's "Kill EVERYTHING" plan, first off, DO NOT ENGAGE IN A LARGE SCALE FLEET BATTLE! You have 3 ships, THAT'S IT! The better option would be, to put it bluntly, raise the black flag and incapacitate both side's ability to wage war. Raid supply lines, take out military infrastructure, play the long game rather than risk everything for one head on entertainingly animated battle. They're working with limited resources and manpower, if they got intel on the locations of Patrick Zala, Muruta Azrael, or any of the two belligerent's commanders thanks to their seemingly endless supply of infiltrators and co-conspirators, initiate a decapitation strike and sow disorder in the enemies upper ranks. But when superweapons like Genesis or a fleet carrying nukes gets thrown into the mix, you're gonna have to change priorites on the fly. In which case, yes, an assault like the one proposed isnt without merit, just without Cagali being a dumbass. Also, 'What if Amuro got the Alex pt. 7" when?
The regular M1s are split between ship-guarding(which we do see in anime, they were destroyed by Rau during his approach to the ships), and fly with Cagalli(like during the last charge to Genesis).
With Kira piloting Freedom, and Athrun piloting Justice both equipped with METEOR even this plan would have worked (the packed so much firepower that they stopped the entire barrage of nuclear missiles that were set to destroy PLANT's).
The weird thing for me was why didn't Orb fill up the Archangel with it's own complement of M1 Astray and the Clyne faction stealing some GuAiz with the Eternal. Sure, Orb could have not enough units already after defending their nation and due to Athrun they had to accelerate their movement. Still, some extra mobile suits would have been better for the Three Ship Alliance.
@@trollinoakenshield9822 eternal could carry more on paper. But the issue would be having pilots to field them and it would be cinematic confusion with guaiz not knowing which one is zaft or the 3 ship alliance.
@lokix19azxc13 they could if they strapped it outside, but eternal could only carry max 2 MS in it hangar. They could add new paint job. yeah pilot might be a problem, unless they could convince zaft pilot to go rogue, but at least 1 could be given to jean carry.
@@trollinoakenshield9822 I think you got it wrong. It has 2 MS hanger, not hanger with a capacity of 2 as in GSD, it was carrying Gaia, Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice and 3 dom trooper. Yes, they can have different paint job can identify the faction, but it would be a pain for the animator to color a separate animation cell instead of reusing them like what they did and it is confusing for people that did not pay attention to identify which unit belongs to which faction. Not to mention the sourcing of spare parts for them in an active war would have expose the moles in ZAFT un-necessary and miss fire by your own side in the heat of battle with hundreds of things happening at the same time would have deter them from deploying them directly.
I love videos like this, especially tactical recaps of the war. Imo SEED had its pros and cons but seeing SEED Freedom and now hearing of Freedom Zero has me excited to know more.
I like your rendition of the plan but I'd make one major change id give the IWSP to mu and have cagali run a spear tip operation along side all of the astray having cagali focus more on Frontline command and mu acting as a floating sword to strike where he's needed
You forgot 1 more important reason how ORB and the 3 Ships Alliance did very well despite their size... Plot armor O.O also... agreed. the 3 Astray girls SHOULD have survived the war. It would have been a nice reference if they were the 3 who shot down the Chaos instead of 3 "literal who?" in the series. Although I DO imagine them having customized Astrays instead of Murasames for some reason
I swear it would had been cool if they made Lacus Clyne the secret big villain of the seed timeline. It will go full circle on Durendal philosophy that all world leaders try to make peace in radical ways
I think there are more than 3 ships here to stop the Bloody Valentine wars, however it quite marvellous achievement for such outnumbered faction can overturned the war
It was "only" 3 ships. Remember Alliance and Zaft was busy fighting each other, the 3 ship Alliance pretty much only had to perform decapitation strikes against enemy command.
@@eight-cloudspurple5871 Nah. They got some turncoat from both sides of conflict. Still heavily outnumbered, but the "Three ship alliance" is mostly symbolic once Lacus use her propaganda magic
6:42 why she have to be the "goddess of victory" it just felt weird bc i been playing a lot of nikke game and that word just hit different after you read it story a lot
Because the moniker already used by Cagalli first. It also based on role of Nike, Greek goddess which symbolized "victory" which latter serve as concept for Nikke especially the Goddess Squad
I personally would've had one of nuclear ms support cagil in the beginning and when all the m1a astray wrre sortied give it the meteor pack while also having the buster, the strike, and the m1 astray protect the ship
First, Archangel and Kusanagi fire their main guns at the sides of the enemy formation forcing them to tighten up. At the same time the attack group is heading for the center of the enemy formation. Put the IWSP on the Strike with Mu, pair him with Cagali in the Aile Strike Rouge with Sword and beam boomerang and the M1A Astrays up front with Buster and the M1's guarding the fleet. Only they would not be the diversion, they'd be the payload. Freedom and Justice with their Meteors tow the forward group at high speed - higher than Zaft could respond, blast a hole through the middle of their formation and drop the Strike team 😁 in the middle to wreak havoc while the Meteors circle around to deal with any remaining capital ships and cut off any reinforcements. Keep the M1 girls with Buster no matter what, as the focus of their defense will be the Eternal, which will hang back to rearm and refuel suits as needed. Kusanagi and Archangel pick off capital ships with their Lohengrins.
Oh, boy. Kakarot you really opened the flood gates with this video and the ending question you left the video with. Laughs. I have many, many ideas about how to change things with the entire Three Ship Alliance and their stragety to somehow fight against both the Earth Alliance and ZAFT, each with tons of ships carrying hundreds of their own mobile suits. Still I shall keep things as short, less fanon/head canon and crazy, then what my mind has created over the years. Though I shall keep with a somewhat canon idea for this and a pure fanon/slight!AU version of the whole thing. Sigh. You ready for this! As it is going to be a whole freaking essay! So here we go! Hope you enjoy reading this! First of all I shall mention a somewhat canon path similar to your own modified plan at the end of the video. The first major change would be adding further mobile suits onboard the Archangel for that is a waste of space to just let it not sport its own larger mobile suit compliment. We know from Destiny that it could carry far more mobile suits then it managed to do in SEED. So! That said, lets have the Archangel carry eight M1 Astrays, plus the Strike with the option for the full Aile, Launcher and Sword along with the option to use the Perfect Strike Once more if needed, and the Buster. Giving the Archangel a suitable force of ten mobile suits. Meanwhile, the Kusanagi would be stuffed full of M1s, as well, as I know from rewatching and ruthlessely studying these last battles of the series that the Kusanagi has somewhere from six to eight M1s onboard along with the Strike Rogue, though that would be in pieces for the first battles after the end of the Battle of Orb. So for the purpose of this whole idea let's have the ship carry eight M1 Astrays, the the three M1As, and then the Strike Rogue with the option to use the Aile or Launcher Packs, as the Kusanagi doesn't have the more advanced Strike Pack Equipment of the Archangel, for a grand total of mobile suits onboard the battleship of twelve machines. Finally, the Eternal would remain with the Freedom and the Justice plus their own METEOR units for I do not think the Clyne Faction had any other mobile suits squirreled away somewhere. Still the Three Ship Alliance would a full twenty-four mobile suit compliment plus the three heavy space warships that are the Archange, Kusanagi, and Eternal. Really, I still think this wouldn't be enough to face off against the two, seperate, forces of the Alliance and ZAFT, but still able to bring much more power to the fight which needs to bring the war to an end. So! That said. Time to get to some overall tactics as mentioned in the video. Right off the bat have the Strike Rogue and the Strike at the forefront of sixteen M1 Astrays. The Rogue would be using the Aile Pack as stated in the video and your own idea about it. The Strike meanwhile, for the final battle would once again be using the Perfect Strike Configuration. Though I am sure Mu would drop the extra bits of the Launcher and Sword off when that is required and the extra batteries are expended. Still it does give the Alliance a bit more firepower. The M1s meanwhile would come up behind the two Strikes and would fight against the enemies own deployed mobile suit units. The three M1As would then hold back with the Buster and would use their long range beam rifles to pick up the more advanced enemy mobile suit units like 105 Dagger of the Earth Alliance and the GuAIZ of ZAFT. Allowing an easier time for the regular M1s to better face off against the lesser Strike Daggers and GINNs. Finally, the Freedom and Justice complete with their METEORs would blitz forward of the main body of the Alliance force taking out enemy ships when they can abd clearing the way for the rest of the forces of the Three Ship Alliance. Not to mention, their later given mission of taking out either sides superweapon.
OKAY PART TWO That would be the sort-of canon version of the whole idea. Time for a bit of fanon and AU version of events. As I have never liked the whole idea of three ships, no matter how powerful they happen to be, and a handful of mobile suits along with three decently powerful G-Weapon Prototypes and two vastly more powerful prototype G-Weapons can take on such a larger force of Earth Alliance and ZAFT fleets. Oh. I know that both the Alliance and ZAFT would mostly be focused on each other and not on this vastly smaller faction that decided to butt in on their own fight, but still the Three Ship Alliance got off quite a bit easier then in canon. With much of their standard mobile suit force wiped out and heavy damage to their ships. Hence, I always imagine my own version of events for these battles and the formation of the Three Ship Alliance to be vastly different. As seen in some of my own fanfiction ideas over the years, going from the addition of a couple extra ships and their mobile suits to the fight all the way to having their own much larger faction and fleet. I am going with the former for this idea for doing a whole larger faction would be a bit crazy and a much larger write-up up required to explore it. Okay. First of all for the final battle the rest of the Orb Remnant would have joined in with the fight. This does include the addition of the Izumo, which would carry eight more M1 Astrays, another trio of M1As, and the Gold Frame Amatu Mina. Following this would be Task Force X which is a bit different from the Astray X Manga has them being, not all that important to explore the reason behind them joining this new small third faction, but still does see the addition of the modified Agamemnon Class Carrier Ortygia complete with its own attached Lightwave Barrier Device. It would also carry the three Hyperion G-Weapon Prototypes onboard along with six slightly modified GAT-01 Strike Daggers, as they would be equipped with the Beam Submachine Guns of the Hyperion Series instead of the standard Beam Rifles and a single "Armure Lumiere" Shield Emitter on the normal shield arm of the Dagger. This is mainly due to the ship carrying a team of Moebius Mobile Armor during one of the Astray X Manga Volumes and figured they would have, somehow replaced those MA with Strike Dagger by the time of the Final Battle. Though another idea I had in the past would have the Izumo and Kusanagi carrying several disassembled M1 Astrays along their cargo and the six extra MS the Ortygia carrys for the final battle would be instead another six M1 Astrays. Shrug. Still adds another half-dozen standard mobile suits doesn't matter. Anyways! Finally, we get to what I called the Serpentarius the Laurasia Class ship used by Serpent Tail which for the purpose of this idea has a new dark blue paintjob. It carries the Blue Frame Astray, the Green Frame Astray given to the Mercs by Lowe and is piloted by Elijah, and the fully assembled Dreadnaught, still piloted by Prayer who is only flying with Serpent Tail for the Final Battle. With the extra ships and their carried machines mentioned time to get to what would be changed with the original Three Ship Alliance. I would still have the Archangel carrying extra eight M1 Astrays as the above idea but would also carry the modified M1A used by Barry Ho and the modified regular M1 used by Jean Carry. Then also the Strike and Buster G-Weapons. The Strike will also have access to the original three Strike Packs, but would somehow manage to get their hands, maybe through the Junk Guild or maybe back engineered from the data on the Dreadnaught, a Gunbarrel pack for Mu to use for the Final Battle. The Kusanagi meanwhile will retain the eight M1 Astrays and Three M1A Astrays of the above idea along with the Strike Rogue. I am kind of conflicted about what pack it would use in this version, as I could have it using the IWSP, with it being finished in time and Cagalli getting a better handle on it, but then there is the Lightning Strike Pack which will also be an interesting additon to the overall larger version of this third faction force. Shrug. So I might just go with the Lightning Strike with it also carrying the regular Strike Beam Rifle as a back up in case of losing or damage to the railgun weapon of the Lightning. Finally, the Eternal would carry the two produced ZGMF-X12A Testament G-Weapons, though they would be different from how they are displayed in the Manga, for one they would carry, Lupus Beam Rifles and Lacerta Beam Sabers and that is about it, then the Freedom and Justice as well allowing the Eternal to have the four Nuclear Powered G-Weapons of ZAFT. All told this expanded third faction force sports twenty two M1 Astrays, six M1A Astrays, a pair of modified Astrays used by ace pilots, three of the four known Astray Frame Prototypes, a prototype all-range nuclear powered G-Weapon Prototype, three Hyperion G-Weapons, the Buster G-Weapon Prototype, a Strike Gunbarrel G-Weapon Prototype, Lightning Strike Rogue G-Weapon Prototype, two nuclear powered standard G-Weapon Prototypes, and finally the two more powerful forms of the Freedom and Justice. An interesting gathering of mobile suits backed up by some interesting ships themselves, two Izumo Class Battleships, a Mobile Assault Ship, an armored support ship, a modified Agamemnon Class Carrier, and a modified Laurasia Class Frigate. Okay. Battleplan for this version of the idea would be a bit different. The three Hyperions would be center stage along with the Dreadnaught. The Gold Frame would under Mirage Colloid doing vanguard duties and feeding data back to the rest of the force. The Astrays would then be organized out behind the forefront. The now six M1A Astrays would be held back behind the bulk of the force along with the Lightning Strike Rogue and using the data from the Rangefinder System, and the cloaked Amatu, would together pick up advanced enemy mobile suits with their long range weapons. Meanwhile, the Green Frame, Gunbarrel Strike, Buster, and modified Astrays would be held back to cover the ships, and to act as a reserve force if needed. The Freedom and Justice complete with the METEOR Platforms would stage ahead to start taking down enemy warships. They would also be supported by the two Testaments which can be carried via a handle system, of some sort, by the METEORs allowing them to keep up with the much faster platforms. Whew! And that is about it for this whole, essay-sized, response to this video! And this is the smaller version I could go on for days about what I think would be good for my own version of the Three Ship Alliance. I could have added a defected Dominion, a larger moderate Eurasian Force including Morgan Chevalier, and other such nonsense. That is just actual stuff from the series or mangas, without getting into the stuff that I created myself. Snort. Almost two thousand or so words long! Yikes! Still thanks for reading!
I'm with you. The Astray Girls were such wasted potential. SEED built them up fairly prominently only to be rather unceremoniously taken out. In all of my personal fan canons of SEED, I always have at least 2 of them survive.
Its certainly not a weak ship if its job is to be the support ship of 2 nuclear gundams. Its a high speed ship(likely the fastest in CE71) to deploy the Gundams to the battlefield as fast as possible, while it would stay behind and let loose with some missiles if given the chance.
I’m no military commander so I don’t know if I could improve the plan significantly enough to make it better, but I could easily make one change, if Cagali isn’t going to be using the IWSP pack give it to Mu Laflaga, he’s a more experienced pilot with extra spatial awareness so he’d likely be able to use it more effectively and maybe he wouldn’t have to die at the end.
Are people serious with this Lacus world domination, especially since she willingly gave up her role as chairwoman to go back to playing housewife and ignoring the fact that after the first war, she didn't even assume any power and just ran away to play housewife
speaking serious for a moment, yeah it's about 96% a joke. We know the characters well enough to know she wouldn't, but at the same time she has also shown that if she wanted to she would be damn good at it and already have a lot of useful pieces of a plan in place. now back to normal, the above is of course just what her PR department wants you to believe. What's next Alex Dino secretly being Athrun Zala?
My god, never let cagalli cook, that has to be one of the worst plans that I have ever seen, Highly dependant on ver specific equipment and assuming she would be the center of attention and not the machines that were stolen, plus overestimating her piloting, I guess them not knowing what they were doing helped them
I will leverage the positron cannons on a closer position on the frontlines. that will draw a big red spot for the enemies while Justice and freedom deploys on flanks wth mu and cagali playing center field with the astrays
In Destiny we saw the Arcangel carry the remaining squadrons of Takemikasuchi after the battle of Crete on the 2nd battle of ORB. So it probably can carry 30'ish mobile suits
Not really. That ship's MS complement was decimated by the Minerva and her MS complement, especially the Impulse with Shinn Asuka as its pilot. Remember that Shinn had a grudge against Orb at the time and he went after them hard. Only 8-10 Murasames were able to join the Archangel, while the rest and all the Astray Shrikes were taken out.
If it were me planning it I would have all the m1 astray,two m1a astray as second commander and buster gundam as the commander Protecting the ship.Freedom, Justice,Strike Rouge with ale and Strike will have the sword and the launcher.The M1a astray will just support them
I'd like to know more about the arch angel and how it interacted with the GAT series mobile suits. We saw how it could plug into the Strike and i think the buster as well when they were on board providing cover fire, but what about the Duel, Blitz and Aegis? what benefits would they have had from being part of the Arch Angels fleet?
so Ive been following this channel for a while and I haven't watched Seed, but does gundam Seed really have this much content about, everything? Like Kakarot makes so many SEED related videos about developments and stuff and like now Im just like: Is it because he's just a fan of the AU or does like the AU just have way more content/development than 00 or IBO or Wing or other AUs?
well when they battle againt's dominion, they tried to following this plan. execpt strike rogue and meteor hasn't ready yet. so basically freedom and justice charge throught, buster and strike guarding (plus M1 Astray) but still I with not only 3 ship tho (so the three astray team not need to die)
to be fully correct the 3 ships alliance didn't just include Archangel, Eternal and Kusanagi. As we learn't in Gundam Seed X astray manga the Red and Blue frame as did appear in these battles supported by their respective ships. the Junk Guild and ReHome were assigned to repairs and making sure the other ships were maintained. while serpent tail focused on being payed by the junk guild and acted as their protection. so probably the full plan could of been this. Aile Strike Rogue with Mu backing her up as point team as they are protected by the M1A Astrays as you say in the video. the Meteors go in to focus on ships and large weapons. M1 astrays protect the Kusanagi and Archangel as they are the two more assault based carriers with Serpent tail's own ship Lauraisa-class as the cover for the 2 ships. The Eternal acts as the command and replay ship of the small fleet with the ReHome with it acting as the repair and refuel team with the Blue frame acting as active defender of Eternal and ReHome. The Red frame be the final line of defence for the last two as it being more specialised in close range fighting it handle any MS getting to close being backed up by Elijah's GINN. This would free up the Buster as more of a free role making it able to respond to what happens to the course of a battle. (This is a massive IF but If the Dreadnought H was fielded in time before the final end of the war then it would be a good candidate to fulfil the aggressive role the Buster could have since it has larger energy supply and has better melee options if an enemy gets in close)
While the overall battleplan is sound, but they are only design against small skirmishes in mind and did not take into account against enemy aces and rely too much on the weakest link cagalli to survive long enough for the detached team to attack the backline of the enemy. It would be better to deploy justice and a meteor unit as the spearhead, buster and the m1a to provide long range support with the strike and strike rouge with the m1 act as the wing of the justice while freedom with its meteor unit will perform decapitation strike.
basically you have the core of a battlegroup two battleships and a large support cruiser with two nuclear super fighters the freedom and the justice with the astrays largely serving as a support element/ escort lead by the strike and the buster
Archangel also seed version of Pegasus is my favorite ship, even The eternal is my favorite, Btw, I have question how Gundam seed destiny series would end if the gunpla Perfect Strike Freedom Gundam was introduced on the series and how would it perfomance according to its ability besides design
It was never confusing for me, but maybe because I watched the Gundam Seed, Gundam Seed Destiny, Gundam Seed Astray, Gundam Seed Freedom, and Gundam Seed specials more then 20 times.😀
Even if the 3 pilots survive GS, GSD will end them for good(especially if they went escort duties to Cagalli's Akatsuki Gundam at the battle of Orb) with Shinn having the Destiny Gundam, I don't think they'll have a fighting chance 😢😓
we all wanted the 3 astray girls to survive... but you know what would happen in destiny? Shinn would massacre them... it would be ammo for the writer to make people hate shinn even more. maybe leave 1 of them alive. look at GSF, only Hilda survived from the Black tri stars. they survived 2nd valentine war. wished CE invested in ejection pods.
Can you tqlk about the archangels design? If in real world situation can it win? With that kind of design? From the side of the rear how can the ciws shot down missiles if the wings with launchers are on its way? And also the structural integritry of it in real world battle
freedom and justice in the flanks or charigng in ahead to strike enemys m1a Astray lead by Mue in the strike with cagailli just behind M1s forming the a block in around the ships with buster either ahead or among the formation dependent on the situation the arkangel and Kusunagi ethier side of the eternal
But what if lacus having control was the master plan all along. I have thought about this many time lacus start to seed freedom movie. Her story is of a tyrant in making with a super knight
You know, it's been a long time - and I'm still kinda salty about how the 3 Astray girls were killed off like an afterthought - with barely more screen time than the average nameless grunt... Wait... they never officially gave the Archangel a number of MS it could carry? Really? I will become a channel member if you give me the Lacus world domination fan fiction.
I would use the archangel and the kusanagi as the front line to hold the line in place As the eternal use it speed to to strike deep into the enemy line
Eternal is fast but it sure doesnt pack much firepower. Most of its offensive capability are the MS and the Meteor units, just let them do their job up front and Eternal can stay away from the battlefield.
@ it not about firepower it about scaring the enemy Repairing where they don’t want you if you have a ship with relatively good fire power showing up behind you deep in the enemy lines, it’s gonna scare you
Honestly, even the original plan seems almost good… If we forget that in this case Cagalli seems to see herself as some kind of Space Marine captain, able to lead from the frontline… one thing that could work better indeed would have been to send the original Strike with Mu as its pilot, and then it would have much more chances to survive, even moreso if it had the same enhancements that were put in the Strike Rouge… Also, one little thing that I would have like to see would have been some kind of Perfect Strike lite, aka a Perfect Strike but without the big cannon and anti-ship sword, as it would have been much easier to use, and more balanced
@@trollinoakenshield9822with the Launcher’s left shoulder weapon pod and Sword’s Boomerang+Grappling hook/shield… Heck initially I was thinking about adding the IWSP’s Gatling shield in place of the Sword’s shield
@@RustyHarmonicaI’d say not exactly the same, as the IWSP does have more numerous and powerful canons, while being much more top heavy, while this put a lot of the weight around the waistline, courtesy of the heavy thrusters of the Aile Striker being quite low… Also, it would allow to ease the use of the beam rifle with the weapon pod, while being able to last longer while using its beam CQC weaponry, that the IWSP lacks
Question: for example, if ZAFT never lost the Freedom and Justice and still kept the Eternal with the Providence, be a part of the Team consisting of the freedom and justice or would it just be a secret MS in the background
Providence wasnt finished until like the very last moment, due to the DRAGOON system taking time. So it wouldn't be loaded onto the Eternal. Hell, that giant backpack might not even fit in the Eternal's launching and retrival baydoors..
If you are talking about the proto providence, it was design as a close range ms (possibly metor compatible) it was redesign to the providence we know. Assuming that was the original intent, most probably it would part of the eternal lineup of ms. If it is the providence, high chance it would be a secret background ms not part of eternal line up mainly use for sector defence with freedom and justice performing high speed assault raids with metor units.
Wait, wouldn’t this still work with the Ootori Strike Rouge, since the Ootori’s just an easier to use IWSP? Or was that developed too late and/or never used due to better strategies?
I'd smuggle the Freedom and Justice into the hearts of the PLANT and Earth Alliance capitals and threaten detonation if they don't convine for immediate peace talks. PEACE THROUGH POWER! LONG LIVE KANE AND THE BROTHERHOOD OF NOD! Oops. Wrong franchise
Cagalli strategy: FORGET THE MOBILE SUIT! I'LL FIGHT EM WITH MY BARE HANDS!!!
This hand of mine glows with an awesome power! It's loud roar tells me to defeat you! Take this! My love! My anger! And all of my sorrow!
Barry Ho: Now your talking!
I wished she was kLlEd back then. Second worst and most useless character after Flay.
Also, really bad pilot. Every pilot she used had A.I., and thry give her command of a ship and a nation?
Flawless logic right there.
Domon Kasshu will love this plan
@@fenrir_Lokison9she's only "useless" in Destiny because of Morosawa's beef with Cagalli's VA behind the scenes, and Morosawa subsequently making her irrelevant towards the end of the season.
To be fair, Lacus is quite a sinister force in CE. While she just wants to be an idol, she was forced to continue on her father's legacy and she is damn good at it. Puts Athrun's and Cagali's dad to shame when it came to scheming.
Sayla Mass
Would be even more interesting if she really has her own agenda in things. Cause to be frank, her influences over the world events is quite....substantial as it is.
@@RACH90810not really. She went to the background after the One Year War, whereas Lacus is in the forefront all the way to SEED Freedom.
@kristoffermangila because CE is subverted version of UC.
Honestly Lacus, and Kira couple, or even Cagalli, and Athrun are powerful enough to create a new monarchy that could rule the entire earth shere to keep the peace, and the only enemy faction would be Blue Cosmos. However I think that Lacus would only want to live quietly with Kira, and maybe even create her own family.
Remember:
"The enemy cannot anticipate or counter our battleplan, if we don't even have one in the first place"
Sun Tzu, Art of War
So Sun Tzu is saying the best plan is to wing it?
“Send out the gundam and let them wing it”
5:35-6:05 Finally someone caught on the facade of the whole series! 😂😂😂
That's too obvious for her. Lacus wants to be like the Kingpin. Who has fingers in every pie.
Funny thing is, your version of the plan is my usual tactic I use in Cross Rays, 1 team of 5 high-speed mobile suits to assault the enemy with 4 slower suits to defend my ships.
Yeah. Ships move slow range wise even with the booster and mobility stat increases.
Once you level your suits and pilots enough, they can always extend with the meteor units while the caps just clean up.
Doubly so if they are 00 units or nuclear powered for the energy regen.
You basically never have to return to the carrier with those unless. You want a catapult boost.
@@Bladescorpion83adding on, this is also a very common tactic in SRW games, especially when you want to extend the range of your heavy-hitting, but short movement range units.
By keeping track of your ship's retrieval range, you can literally slingshot any unit you want to the "front lines". In some cases, you can practically DOUBLE some units' movements range.
That's why the Nadesico Strategy is such a meme. Between ship captain skills and the graviton wave beam parts, well...
@@JoshRiolu speaking of:
always remember to set the BGM for the Gravity Wave to "Naze nani Nadesico" for maximum memeing
@@JoshRiolu and Asagi,Juri and Mayura basically unfortunate ill fated Ryoko,Hikaru and Izumi of Seed
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At this rate, Cagali should have her own line of Light Novels, Manga, Anime, Tokusatsu, Movies &, Streaming Blu-Ray.
Also, that Battle Plan screams "Premium Bandai" all the way!
>Special Equipment for the Eternal
*_I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE!_*
_[GSF INTENSIFIES]_
So kino
I find it funny that the gundam wiki says the 3 ships alliance was deployed during the compass conflict because it was kinda true switching out the archangel for millenium
would it have been called the 4 ship alliance if archangel did survive?
@@HEAVYROBOT-rp8sn Probably not as the Millennium was commandeered by Muru plus Compass kind of disbanded after the whole nuclear attack debacle set up by Foundation so the Millennium would kind of be side lined as the commander of the ship isn't willing to take the risk of not getting branded as a traitor.
9:06 I love my Astray girls, especially Juri but we all know that if they survived through Destiny, if Zaft didn't get them before then the fuckening that they call Shinn Asuka would definitely fold these three.
Eh, original plan is Shinn becoming the 4th pilot similar to Gundam 00 (Setsuna). We finally got this with SEED Freedom but he's taken the backseat instead of being the protag.
Would've been cool to have the original be aired where Shinn fights Rey while Kira, Athrun and Mu fights the 3 junkies.
never understand why people want Shinn to become the main character so much
we don't need a new Kamille, Character like Kamille only work in 80s because people are tough love back then
@@716_ハディくん so destiny cater for audience who want perfect boring protagonist?
@@trollinoakenshield9822 ...No? They want someone well adjusted, focused on their goal and get things done.
Not perfect by any means, and Destiny Kira is awful in that regard, but Shin isn't it.
@@716_ハディくん because for SEED Destiny, it truly is HIS story. In the very beginning, we are still following mainly his perspective (until it shifts early on to the point that it demanded a redo of the movie in Athrun's perspective).
It goes to show how mishandled the series was.
First and foremost, the tricolore color scheme is for the main protagonist. The tricolore and axis/soviet colors have been a staple narrative device in gundam universe.
Unless they are doing team, then they go the power rangers route as we see with the original 4 out of the 5 (with Strike gundam being the tricolore). Or with Gundam Wing series and 00 and so on where the series focuses on ensemble cast.
The other one is making the antagonist a darker version of the protagonist.
The whole tricolore vs "red" was largely influenced by the Cold War or WW2.
Shinn IS the protagonist (even from the title card). He was never planned as the antagonist. Perhaps an anti-hero or a counterpart for Kira, but he and Kira are never protagonist and antagonist of one another (which is why Shinn's final showdown is was Athrun and not Kira).
I mean, if I was in charge of the three ships alliance, I would have used some of Lacus seemingly infinite ability to hijack military equipment to get the Gunbarrel Striker Pack for Mu... and just have Mu be the centerpiece of the strategy instead of Kagali. The Strike Rogue and the M1A would play gap filling behind Mu, the M1 a net.
Seriously I'm not sure Mu with a Gunbarrel Strike Gundam wouldn't be a bit more scary than even the nuclear powered mobile suits.
Seriously, the Archangel still had the Mobiues 0 onboard, could've just chop the cockpit off and ask Junk Guild to jury rig it to the Strike.
@@eight-cloudspurple5871 Yea the Archangel has no contact with the Junk Guild plus Jury rigging a Mobile Armor's cockpit to a Mobile Suit is impossible since the design is so different.
@@CaptainIchimaruGin I mean you are right but its also happened before. I n the... I think GBA games? They literally turn Mu's Moebious 0 into a striker pack... somehow.
@@m.b.7560 Gunbarrel striker pack is just a striker pack they created by using the Moebius 0 as the base. Sure it still function like a normal mobile armor, but it's main purpose is to dock with the mobile suit it's designed for. The mobile suit's cockpit doesn't change as the Gunbarrel striker pack just dock with the unit.
@@eight-cloudspurple5871 Don't even need the Junk Guild, Erica Simmons came to space on the Kusanagi!
I just noticed the Eternal's special equipment was "Lacus' Love"
Lacus Love Live?
You should do a video on Lacus's attempts at world domination as an in-universe conspiracy theorist.
If ZAFT didn't have GENESIS, the most effective strategy would've been to act as an interception force to prevent OMNI and ZAFT from confronting each other while slowly whittling down their resources and morale. Using the Freedom and Justice with the METEOR units and the M1A Astrays to do hit and run attacks would also be effective. "As long as the war continues, none of you are safe."
I remember someone did it in Mandarin some time ago. Too bad the vid have no sub title. Esp he dub his voice as Lacus.
ua-cam.com/video/YOqsAOXDDu0/v-deo.html
Without foreknoweldge like the existence of Genesis or Rau's "Kill EVERYTHING" plan, first off, DO NOT ENGAGE IN A LARGE SCALE FLEET BATTLE! You have 3 ships, THAT'S IT! The better option would be, to put it bluntly, raise the black flag and incapacitate both side's ability to wage war. Raid supply lines, take out military infrastructure, play the long game rather than risk everything for one head on entertainingly animated battle. They're working with limited resources and manpower, if they got intel on the locations of Patrick Zala, Muruta Azrael, or any of the two belligerent's commanders thanks to their seemingly endless supply of infiltrators and co-conspirators, initiate a decapitation strike and sow disorder in the enemies upper ranks. But when superweapons like Genesis or a fleet carrying nukes gets thrown into the mix, you're gonna have to change priorites on the fly. In which case, yes, an assault like the one proposed isnt without merit, just without Cagali being a dumbass. Also, 'What if Amuro got the Alex pt. 7" when?
Justice for M1 astray girls
The three ships allience's secret weapon: "Kira's plot armour"
Unlike Axis, Titans and Jupitarian alliance that fall apart
Solid plan from Cagalli. Thanks for the video. I never knew of this.
The regular M1s are split between ship-guarding(which we do see in anime, they were destroyed by Rau during his approach to the ships), and fly with Cagalli(like during the last charge to Genesis).
With Kira piloting Freedom, and Athrun piloting Justice both equipped with METEOR even this plan would have worked (the packed so much firepower that they stopped the entire barrage of nuclear missiles that were set to destroy PLANT's).
The weird thing for me was why didn't Orb fill up the Archangel with it's own complement of M1 Astray and the Clyne faction stealing some GuAiz with the Eternal. Sure, Orb could have not enough units already after defending their nation and due to Athrun they had to accelerate their movement. Still, some extra mobile suits would have been better for the Three Ship Alliance.
From how I understood it Orb did sent the maximum of available Astrays on the Kusanagi already though…
I think eternal could only carry 2 MS, stealing only 2 guaiz wouldn't be much help
@@trollinoakenshield9822 eternal could carry more on paper. But the issue would be having pilots to field them and it would be cinematic confusion with guaiz not knowing which one is zaft or the 3 ship alliance.
@lokix19azxc13 they could if they strapped it outside, but eternal could only carry max 2 MS in it hangar.
They could add new paint job.
yeah pilot might be a problem, unless they could convince zaft pilot to go rogue, but at least 1 could be given to jean carry.
@@trollinoakenshield9822 I think you got it wrong. It has 2 MS hanger, not hanger with a capacity of 2 as in GSD, it was carrying Gaia, Strike Freedom, Infinite Justice and 3 dom trooper.
Yes, they can have different paint job can identify the faction, but it would be a pain for the animator to color a separate animation cell instead of reusing them like what they did and it is confusing for people that did not pay attention to identify which unit belongs to which faction.
Not to mention the sourcing of spare parts for them in an active war would have expose the moles in ZAFT un-necessary and miss fire by your own side in the heat of battle with hundreds of things happening at the same time would have deter them from deploying them directly.
at the the end, the 5 GAT pilot back to or helping archangel, minus nicole who is dead...
@04:15
Special Equipment:
- LACUS’ Love🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪💪😎
@05:35
“The Machinations of Lacus Clyne”
#Shade🤪
This makes me hopeful that we get a part 2 of the Cosmic Era History
Can confirm that it's being planned.
Yay! Thrilled to hear that. The Cosmic Era has some of the most developed world building in Gundam. I can’t wait to see more of it in part 2.
The M1 Astrays would probably act as the reserve units. Reinforcing whoever needed it
I like that, that astray just parked in the wrong direction and upside down, while the other astray just sneaks off like this aint its problem
I love videos like this, especially tactical recaps of the war. Imo SEED had its pros and cons but seeing SEED Freedom and now hearing of Freedom Zero has me excited to know more.
I like your rendition of the plan but I'd make one major change id give the IWSP to mu and have cagali run a spear tip operation along side all of the astray having cagali focus more on Frontline command and mu acting as a floating sword to strike where he's needed
RIP the astray girls forever will the be missed
You forgot 1 more important reason how ORB and the 3 Ships Alliance did very well despite their size... Plot armor O.O
also... agreed. the 3 Astray girls SHOULD have survived the war. It would have been a nice reference if they were the 3 who shot down the Chaos instead of 3 "literal who?" in the series. Although I DO imagine them having customized Astrays instead of Murasames for some reason
Lacus is the picture of 'Beware the (wo)man who knows how to play the fool.'
I swear it would had been cool if they made Lacus Clyne the secret big villain of the seed timeline. It will go full circle on Durendal philosophy that all world leaders try to make peace in radical ways
I think there are more than 3 ships here to stop the Bloody Valentine wars, however it quite marvellous achievement for such outnumbered faction can overturned the war
It was "only" 3 ships. Remember Alliance and Zaft was busy fighting each other, the 3 ship Alliance pretty much only had to perform decapitation strikes against enemy command.
@@eight-cloudspurple5871 Nah. They got some turncoat from both sides of conflict. Still heavily outnumbered, but the "Three ship alliance" is mostly symbolic once Lacus use her propaganda magic
Basically what Hannibal Barca pulled against Rome Empire
Eternal's special equipment is OP!
I would so watch a show staring Cagalli.
6:42 why she have to be the "goddess of victory" it just felt weird bc i been playing a lot of nikke game and that word just hit different after you read it story a lot
Because the moniker already used by Cagalli first. It also based on role of Nike, Greek goddess which symbolized "victory" which latter serve as concept for Nikke especially the Goddess Squad
It was all thanks to Mu.He was a guy that can make the impossible possible xD
I personally would've had one of nuclear ms support cagil in the beginning and when all the m1a astray wrre sortied give it the meteor pack while also having the buster, the strike, and the m1 astray protect the ship
First, Archangel and Kusanagi fire their main guns at the sides of the enemy formation forcing them to tighten up.
At the same time the attack group is heading for the center of the enemy formation.
Put the IWSP on the Strike with Mu, pair him with Cagali in the Aile Strike Rouge with Sword and beam boomerang and the M1A Astrays up front with Buster and the M1's guarding the fleet.
Only they would not be the diversion, they'd be the payload. Freedom and Justice with their Meteors tow the forward group at high speed - higher than Zaft could respond, blast a hole through the middle of their formation and drop the Strike team 😁 in the middle to wreak havoc while the Meteors circle around to deal with any remaining capital ships and cut off any reinforcements. Keep the M1 girls with Buster no matter what, as the focus of their defense will be the Eternal, which will hang back to rearm and refuel suits as needed. Kusanagi and Archangel pick off capital ships with their Lohengrins.
Oh, boy. Kakarot you really opened the flood gates with this video and the ending question you left the video with. Laughs. I have many, many ideas about how to change things with the entire Three Ship Alliance and their stragety to somehow fight against both the Earth Alliance and ZAFT, each with tons of ships carrying hundreds of their own mobile suits. Still I shall keep things as short, less fanon/head canon and crazy, then what my mind has created over the years. Though I shall keep with a somewhat canon idea for this and a pure fanon/slight!AU version of the whole thing. Sigh. You ready for this! As it is going to be a whole freaking essay! So here we go! Hope you enjoy reading this!
First of all I shall mention a somewhat canon path similar to your own modified plan at the end of the video. The first major change would be adding further mobile suits onboard the Archangel for that is a waste of space to just let it not sport its own larger mobile suit compliment. We know from Destiny that it could carry far more mobile suits then it managed to do in SEED. So! That said, lets have the Archangel carry eight M1 Astrays, plus the Strike with the option for the full Aile, Launcher and Sword along with the option to use the Perfect Strike Once more if needed, and the Buster. Giving the Archangel a suitable force of ten mobile suits. Meanwhile, the Kusanagi would be stuffed full of M1s, as well, as I know from rewatching and ruthlessely studying these last battles of the series that the Kusanagi has somewhere from six to eight M1s onboard along with the Strike Rogue, though that would be in pieces for the first battles after the end of the Battle of Orb. So for the purpose of this whole idea let's have the ship carry eight M1 Astrays, the the three M1As, and then the Strike Rogue with the option to use the Aile or Launcher Packs, as the Kusanagi doesn't have the more advanced Strike Pack Equipment of the Archangel, for a grand total of mobile suits onboard the battleship of twelve machines. Finally, the Eternal would remain with the Freedom and the Justice plus their own METEOR units for I do not think the Clyne Faction had any other mobile suits squirreled away somewhere. Still the Three Ship Alliance would a full twenty-four mobile suit compliment plus the three heavy space warships that are the Archange, Kusanagi, and Eternal. Really, I still think this wouldn't be enough to face off against the two, seperate, forces of the Alliance and ZAFT, but still able to bring much more power to the fight which needs to bring the war to an end.
So! That said. Time to get to some overall tactics as mentioned in the video. Right off the bat have the Strike Rogue and the Strike at the forefront of sixteen M1 Astrays. The Rogue would be using the Aile Pack as stated in the video and your own idea about it. The Strike meanwhile, for the final battle would once again be using the Perfect Strike Configuration. Though I am sure Mu would drop the extra bits of the Launcher and Sword off when that is required and the extra batteries are expended. Still it does give the Alliance a bit more firepower. The M1s meanwhile would come up behind the two Strikes and would fight against the enemies own deployed mobile suit units. The three M1As would then hold back with the Buster and would use their long range beam rifles to pick up the more advanced enemy mobile suit units like 105 Dagger of the Earth Alliance and the GuAIZ of ZAFT. Allowing an easier time for the regular M1s to better face off against the lesser Strike Daggers and GINNs. Finally, the Freedom and Justice complete with their METEORs would blitz forward of the main body of the Alliance force taking out enemy ships when they can abd clearing the way for the rest of the forces of the Three Ship Alliance. Not to mention, their later given mission of taking out either sides superweapon.
OKAY PART TWO
That would be the sort-of canon version of the whole idea. Time for a bit of fanon and AU version of events. As I have never liked the whole idea of three ships, no matter how powerful they happen to be, and a handful of mobile suits along with three decently powerful G-Weapon Prototypes and two vastly more powerful prototype G-Weapons can take on such a larger force of Earth Alliance and ZAFT fleets. Oh. I know that both the Alliance and ZAFT would mostly be focused on each other and not on this vastly smaller faction that decided to butt in on their own fight, but still the Three Ship Alliance got off quite a bit easier then in canon. With much of their standard mobile suit force wiped out and heavy damage to their ships. Hence, I always imagine my own version of events for these battles and the formation of the Three Ship Alliance to be vastly different. As seen in some of my own fanfiction ideas over the years, going from the addition of a couple extra ships and their mobile suits to the fight all the way to having their own much larger faction and fleet. I am going with the former for this idea for doing a whole larger faction would be a bit crazy and a much larger write-up up required to explore it.
Okay. First of all for the final battle the rest of the Orb Remnant would have joined in with the fight. This does include the addition of the Izumo, which would carry eight more M1 Astrays, another trio of M1As, and the Gold Frame Amatu Mina. Following this would be Task Force X which is a bit different from the Astray X Manga has them being, not all that important to explore the reason behind them joining this new small third faction, but still does see the addition of the modified Agamemnon Class Carrier Ortygia complete with its own attached Lightwave Barrier Device. It would also carry the three Hyperion G-Weapon Prototypes onboard along with six slightly modified GAT-01 Strike Daggers, as they would be equipped with the Beam Submachine Guns of the Hyperion Series instead of the standard Beam Rifles and a single "Armure Lumiere" Shield Emitter on the normal shield arm of the Dagger. This is mainly due to the ship carrying a team of Moebius Mobile Armor during one of the Astray X Manga Volumes and figured they would have, somehow replaced those MA with Strike Dagger by the time of the Final Battle. Though another idea I had in the past would have the Izumo and Kusanagi carrying several disassembled M1 Astrays along their cargo and the six extra MS the Ortygia carrys for the final battle would be instead another six M1 Astrays. Shrug. Still adds another half-dozen standard mobile suits doesn't matter. Anyways! Finally, we get to what I called the Serpentarius the Laurasia Class ship used by Serpent Tail which for the purpose of this idea has a new dark blue paintjob. It carries the Blue Frame Astray, the Green Frame Astray given to the Mercs by Lowe and is piloted by Elijah, and the fully assembled Dreadnaught, still piloted by Prayer who is only flying with Serpent Tail for the Final Battle.
With the extra ships and their carried machines mentioned time to get to what would be changed with the original Three Ship Alliance. I would still have the Archangel carrying extra eight M1 Astrays as the above idea but would also carry the modified M1A used by Barry Ho and the modified regular M1 used by Jean Carry. Then also the Strike and Buster G-Weapons. The Strike will also have access to the original three Strike Packs, but would somehow manage to get their hands, maybe through the Junk Guild or maybe back engineered from the data on the Dreadnaught, a Gunbarrel pack for Mu to use for the Final Battle. The Kusanagi meanwhile will retain the eight M1 Astrays and Three M1A Astrays of the above idea along with the Strike Rogue. I am kind of conflicted about what pack it would use in this version, as I could have it using the IWSP, with it being finished in time and Cagalli getting a better handle on it, but then there is the Lightning Strike Pack which will also be an interesting additon to the overall larger version of this third faction force. Shrug. So I might just go with the Lightning Strike with it also carrying the regular Strike Beam Rifle as a back up in case of losing or damage to the railgun weapon of the Lightning. Finally, the Eternal would carry the two produced ZGMF-X12A Testament G-Weapons, though they would be different from how they are displayed in the Manga, for one they would carry, Lupus Beam Rifles and Lacerta Beam Sabers and that is about it, then the Freedom and Justice as well allowing the Eternal to have the four Nuclear Powered G-Weapons of ZAFT.
All told this expanded third faction force sports twenty two M1 Astrays, six M1A Astrays, a pair of modified Astrays used by ace pilots, three of the four known Astray Frame Prototypes, a prototype all-range nuclear powered G-Weapon Prototype, three Hyperion G-Weapons, the Buster G-Weapon Prototype, a Strike Gunbarrel G-Weapon Prototype, Lightning Strike Rogue G-Weapon Prototype, two nuclear powered standard G-Weapon Prototypes, and finally the two more powerful forms of the Freedom and Justice. An interesting gathering of mobile suits backed up by some interesting ships themselves, two Izumo Class Battleships, a Mobile Assault Ship, an armored support ship, a modified Agamemnon Class Carrier, and a modified Laurasia Class Frigate.
Okay. Battleplan for this version of the idea would be a bit different. The three Hyperions would be center stage along with the Dreadnaught. The Gold Frame would under Mirage Colloid doing vanguard duties and feeding data back to the rest of the force. The Astrays would then be organized out behind the forefront. The now six M1A Astrays would be held back behind the bulk of the force along with the Lightning Strike Rogue and using the data from the Rangefinder System, and the cloaked Amatu, would together pick up advanced enemy mobile suits with their long range weapons. Meanwhile, the Green Frame, Gunbarrel Strike, Buster, and modified Astrays would be held back to cover the ships, and to act as a reserve force if needed. The Freedom and Justice complete with the METEOR Platforms would stage ahead to start taking down enemy warships. They would also be supported by the two Testaments which can be carried via a handle system, of some sort, by the METEORs allowing them to keep up with the much faster platforms.
Whew! And that is about it for this whole, essay-sized, response to this video! And this is the smaller version I could go on for days about what I think would be good for my own version of the Three Ship Alliance. I could have added a defected Dominion, a larger moderate Eurasian Force including Morgan Chevalier, and other such nonsense. That is just actual stuff from the series or mangas, without getting into the stuff that I created myself. Snort. Almost two thousand or so words long! Yikes! Still thanks for reading!
I'm with you. The Astray Girls were such wasted potential. SEED built them up fairly prominently only to be rather unceremoniously taken out. In all of my personal fan canons of SEED, I always have at least 2 of them survive.
The Eternal may be weak, but it's packing heat for both Freedom and Justice.
Its certainly not a weak ship if its job is to be the support ship of 2 nuclear gundams. Its a high speed ship(likely the fastest in CE71) to deploy the Gundams to the battlefield as fast as possible, while it would stay behind and let loose with some missiles if given the chance.
SEED Freedom would've been more interesting having Lacus as the villain.
I’m no military commander so I don’t know if I could improve the plan significantly enough to make it better, but I could easily make one change, if Cagali isn’t going to be using the IWSP pack give it to Mu Laflaga, he’s a more experienced pilot with extra spatial awareness so he’d likely be able to use it more effectively and maybe he wouldn’t have to die at the end.
Special Equipment: lacus love😂😂😂😂😂😂
As the former soldier for the Cybertron Federation Army (Autobot Army), I blame Planeptune & thier proxy leader for that feature!
"Lacus Love Live"
@ oh man, my other comment in this video is also about the cybertronians🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Can we just all agree that Murrue Ramius is HOT AF. !?? 🤩
There is one particular scene with Mu La Flaga, and Murrue Ramius that you would like to see in orginal Gundam Seed on this topic.
Top tier
Are people serious with this Lacus world domination, especially since she willingly gave up her role as chairwoman to go back to playing housewife and ignoring the fact that after the first war, she didn't even assume any power and just ran away to play housewife
Contrarians and people who hate Seed like to make up wild things.
Lacus used reverse psychology when she pretended to not care to gather more power, trust me bro
speaking serious for a moment, yeah it's about 96% a joke. We know the characters well enough to know she wouldn't, but at the same time she has also shown that if she wanted to she would be damn good at it and already have a lot of useful pieces of a plan in place.
now back to normal, the above is of course just what her PR department wants you to believe. What's next Alex Dino secretly being Athrun Zala?
It is entirely arguable that Lacus is the greatest strategist in both wars.
Cagalli's plan in a nutshell: "Get 'em."
Fire at will!
Lacus is free to aim for world domination..... if I can be her world....
Giant hologram of Lacus. Live concert. Ez.
Lynn-Minmei of Macross: (clears throat) You'll need a superdimensional fortress for that.
My god, never let cagalli cook, that has to be one of the worst plans that I have ever seen,
Highly dependant on ver specific equipment and assuming she would be the center of attention and not the machines that were stolen, plus overestimating her piloting,
I guess them not knowing what they were doing helped them
I will leverage the positron cannons on a closer position on the frontlines. that will draw a big red spot for the enemies while Justice and freedom deploys on flanks wth mu and cagali playing center field with the astrays
In Destiny we saw the Arcangel carry the remaining squadrons of Takemikasuchi after the battle of Crete on the 2nd battle of ORB. So it probably can carry 30'ish mobile suits
Not really. That ship's MS complement was decimated by the Minerva and her MS complement, especially the Impulse with Shinn Asuka as its pilot. Remember that Shinn had a grudge against Orb at the time and he went after them hard. Only 8-10 Murasames were able to join the Archangel, while the rest and all the Astray Shrikes were taken out.
keep bringing the lore kakarot
Would live to see a video on lacas attempts at world dominantion please
The plan was to make the enemy focus on Cagalli. Unfortunately they were facing off against Bandai, who couldn't care less.
I will give the future Emperess of all humanity my full support!
😊 Kakarot so what ship would you fly on I think I'll stick with the Archangel though keep up the amazing reviews Rock on✌️😎
Eternal's Special Equipment: Lacus' Love. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If it were me planning it I would have all the m1 astray,two m1a astray as second commander and buster gundam as the commander Protecting the ship.Freedom, Justice,Strike Rouge with ale and Strike will have the sword and the launcher.The M1a astray will just support them
Now that you mention it, lacus at that time has the chance to dominate everyone
I'd like to know more about the arch angel and how it interacted with the GAT series mobile suits. We saw how it could plug into the Strike and i think the buster as well when they were on board providing cover fire, but what about the Duel, Blitz and Aegis? what benefits would they have had from being part of the Arch Angels fleet?
Maybe you should do a video on how Lacus is planning to control everything.
so Ive been following this channel for a while and I haven't watched Seed, but does gundam Seed really have this much content about, everything? Like Kakarot makes so many SEED related videos about developments and stuff and like now Im just like: Is it because he's just a fan of the AU or does like the AU just have way more content/development than 00 or IBO or Wing or other AUs?
well when they battle againt's dominion, they tried to following this plan. execpt strike rogue and meteor hasn't ready yet. so basically freedom and justice charge throught, buster and strike guarding (plus M1 Astray)
but still I with not only 3 ship tho (so the three astray team not need to die)
to be fully correct the 3 ships alliance didn't just include Archangel, Eternal and Kusanagi. As we learn't in Gundam Seed X astray manga the Red and Blue frame as did appear in these battles supported by their respective ships. the Junk Guild and ReHome were assigned to repairs and making sure the other ships were maintained. while serpent tail focused on being payed by the junk guild and acted as their protection. so probably the full plan could of been this.
Aile Strike Rogue with Mu backing her up as point team as they are protected by the M1A Astrays as you say in the video. the Meteors go in to focus on ships and large weapons. M1 astrays protect the Kusanagi and Archangel as they are the two more assault based carriers with Serpent tail's own ship Lauraisa-class as the cover for the 2 ships. The Eternal acts as the command and replay ship of the small fleet with the ReHome with it acting as the repair and refuel team with the Blue frame acting as active defender of Eternal and ReHome. The Red frame be the final line of defence for the last two as it being more specialised in close range fighting it handle any MS getting to close being backed up by Elijah's GINN. This would free up the Buster as more of a free role making it able to respond to what happens to the course of a battle. (This is a massive IF but If the Dreadnought H was fielded in time before the final end of the war then it would be a good candidate to fulfil the aggressive role the Buster could have since it has larger energy supply and has better melee options if an enemy gets in close)
They actually in Seed Remastered but didn't participate due they had to fight Sahaku and Canard during that time
@ZeroDarkness- noted. With this still being a hyperthetical thing it be rude to not let them join the fun as well.
While the overall battleplan is sound, but they are only design against small skirmishes in mind and did not take into account against enemy aces and rely too much on the weakest link cagalli to survive long enough for the detached team to attack the backline of the enemy.
It would be better to deploy justice and a meteor unit as the spearhead, buster and the m1a to provide long range support with the strike and strike rouge with the m1 act as the wing of the justice while freedom with its meteor unit will perform decapitation strike.
basically you have the core of a battlegroup two battleships and a large support cruiser with two nuclear super fighters the freedom and the justice with the astrays largely serving as a support element/ escort lead by the strike and the buster
please also do battle history of the Archangel as well...
#Justice4AstrayGirls 😢
Justice for the Astray trio!
Kusanagi/Izumo class such underrated ship, still no figure/model kit for that stylish ship
'Attracted by their ideal of neutrality, Orb gained some allies,'.
I don't think they know how neutrality works.
Press F to pay respect to Asagi, Mayura, and Juri! Your deaths where in vain!!! Should've had them in Destiny.
Archangel also seed version of Pegasus is my favorite ship, even The eternal is my favorite, Btw, I have question how Gundam seed destiny series would end if the gunpla Perfect Strike Freedom Gundam was introduced on the series and how would it perfomance according to its ability besides design
Cagalli is a fan of Leeroy Jenkins I suppose.
LOL
04:12 Lacus Love 😅😅😅
Gundam Seed was hella confusing at times. This makes it a little easier too understand. Thanks Kakarot!! HAVE A GOOD THANKSGIVING
Happy Thanksgiving to you too!
It was never confusing for me, but maybe because I watched the Gundam Seed, Gundam Seed Destiny, Gundam Seed Astray, Gundam Seed Freedom, and Gundam Seed specials more then 20 times.😀
How is it confusing it's straightforward AF ~~~
Even if the 3 pilots survive GS, GSD will end them for good(especially if they went escort duties to Cagalli's Akatsuki Gundam at the battle of Orb) with Shinn having the Destiny Gundam, I don't think they'll have a fighting chance 😢😓
we all wanted the 3 astray girls to survive...
but you know what would happen in destiny?
Shinn would massacre them... it would be ammo for the writer to make people hate shinn even more. maybe leave 1 of them alive.
look at GSF, only Hilda survived from the Black tri stars. they survived 2nd valentine war. wished CE invested in ejection pods.
Can you tqlk about the archangels design? If in real world situation can it win? With that kind of design? From the side of the rear how can the ciws shot down missiles if the wings with launchers are on its way? And also the structural integritry of it in real world battle
freedom and justice in the flanks or charigng in ahead to strike enemys m1a Astray lead by Mue in the strike with cagailli just behind M1s forming the a block in around the ships with buster either ahead or among the formation dependent on the situation the arkangel and Kusunagi ethier side of the eternal
But what if lacus having control was the master plan all along. I have thought about this many time lacus start to seed freedom movie. Her story is of a tyrant in making with a super knight
You kind of forgot that the Eternal had the Gaia Gundam also...
POOR A FEW OUT FOR THE ASTRAY GIRLS! 😢
Tbh I always thought their plan is to just let freedom and justice go dynasty warrior and hope for the best
Need to deploy Lacus so that she can sing Quiet Night CE 73
What about watfelds suit?
Another original plan video
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You know, it's been a long time - and I'm still kinda salty about how the 3 Astray girls were killed off like an afterthought - with barely more screen time than the average nameless grunt...
Wait... they never officially gave the Archangel a number of MS it could carry? Really?
I will become a channel member if you give me the Lacus world domination fan fiction.
3:56 turncoat instead of redcoat?🤔
I would use the archangel and the kusanagi as the front line to hold the line in place
As the eternal use it speed to to strike deep into the enemy line
Eternal is fast but it sure doesnt pack much firepower. Most of its offensive capability are the MS and the Meteor units, just let them do their job up front and Eternal can stay away from the battlefield.
@ it not about firepower it about scaring the enemy Repairing where they don’t want you if you have a ship with relatively good fire power showing up behind you deep in the enemy lines, it’s gonna scare you
Good LORD, I hate orb. The Astray girls are hot though.
Honestly, even the original plan seems almost good… If we forget that in this case Cagalli seems to see herself as some kind of Space Marine captain, able to lead from the frontline… one thing that could work better indeed would have been to send the original Strike with Mu as its pilot, and then it would have much more chances to survive, even moreso if it had the same enhancements that were put in the Strike Rouge…
Also, one little thing that I would have like to see would have been some kind of Perfect Strike lite, aka a Perfect Strike but without the big cannon and anti-ship sword, as it would have been much easier to use, and more balanced
So without big cannon or big sword it just aile strike with extra battery?
@@trollinoakenshield9822with the Launcher’s left shoulder weapon pod and Sword’s Boomerang+Grappling hook/shield… Heck initially I was thinking about adding the IWSP’s Gatling shield in place of the Sword’s shield
We kind of have that with The Strike equipped with IWSP pack
@@RustyHarmonicaI’d say not exactly the same, as the IWSP does have more numerous and powerful canons, while being much more top heavy, while this put a lot of the weight around the waistline, courtesy of the heavy thrusters of the Aile Striker being quite low… Also, it would allow to ease the use of the beam rifle with the weapon pod, while being able to last longer while using its beam CQC weaponry, that the IWSP lacks
6:44 holy shit Cagalli's a nikke
I don't care what anyone says, but the Astray Girls being killed off was so unnecessary 😭
Question: for example, if ZAFT never lost the Freedom and Justice and still kept the Eternal with the Providence, be a part of the Team consisting of the freedom and justice or would it just be a secret MS in the background
Providence wasnt finished until like the very last moment, due to the DRAGOON system taking time. So it wouldn't be loaded onto the Eternal.
Hell, that giant backpack might not even fit in the Eternal's launching and retrival baydoors..
If you are talking about the proto providence, it was design as a close range ms (possibly metor compatible) it was redesign to the providence we know. Assuming that was the original intent, most probably it would part of the eternal lineup of ms.
If it is the providence, high chance it would be a secret background ms not part of eternal line up mainly use for sector defence with freedom and justice performing high speed assault raids with metor units.
The Freedom and the Justice were the most powerful especially because of nuclear power.
Wait, wouldn’t this still work with the Ootori Strike Rouge, since the Ootori’s just an easier to use IWSP? Or was that developed too late and/or never used due to better strategies?
Anything to give Strike Rouge speed, because they do NOT want Cagalli to get hit.
I’m not sure it was developed by this time.
the Ootori striker is develop after the IWSP striker post CE71.
I'd smuggle the Freedom and Justice into the hearts of the PLANT and Earth Alliance capitals and threaten detonation if they don't convine for immediate peace talks. PEACE THROUGH POWER! LONG LIVE KANE AND THE BROTHERHOOD OF NOD! Oops. Wrong franchise