Dutch Mantell had an excellent point on his podcast. If Laurenaitis claims he’s a victim and participated against his will, why did he continue to have s*x with Ms Grant when she was sent to his condo ALONE?? Why didn’t he sit down with her or basically send her away? If they were both “afraid” of VM, why didn’t he come up with a plan with Janel to say they did things to satisfy VM? Just BS on his end and he’s trying to cover his arse and saving face with his wife.. IF she didn’t truly know. He’s tying to cut a deal and throwing any and everyone under the bus.
Taking into account Ashley's Massaro's demise and what psychological scars might have contributed to it, this situation could be even more horrific than Janel Grant's. And it's just as important that her family gets justice on her behalf.
@@ed5416What the hell?! What's your issue with trailer parks? We're you raised on one? You get robbed on one once? Because to me it sounds grossly unfair to pin the behaviour of a man who hasn't lived in poverty in nearly fifty years on the less affluent or his area. So a man exerting the kind of power he exerted that he wouldn't of been able to otherwise is still the fault of the poor? Those sorts of people are friendlier and more real than stuck up suits could ever dream of being.
Naw. Vince is a pos but the meeting Ashley had with Vince was days after the alleged sexual assault. She was in Kuwait, passed out because of the heat and dehydration. She was then allegedly drugged and assaulted by a military personnel. She didn’t report it to the authorities there. I heard the military recently looked into the allegations.
She made her choices, she the loved the attention sadly and would always cry after, is every woman a victim of a man and not as strong as they say and not as smart and girl boss etc... odd. I hate to bad mouth her now shes gone but her choice in men was always bad.
@Jigsjigz so, because she dated a few douche bags, being SA'd is her fault? I stg people like you amaze me. you're always the first to say "if she was SA'd/assaulted, why didn't she go to the police/speak up"? But when a woman DOES come forward you talk shit about her PERSONAL life (that you know nothing about, no matter what you think) and sling mud on her for things you know nothing about. Shame on you. A woman created you.
The statement that the lawyer put out just said that they became aware of it at some point. It does not say that they found out about it when it allegedly happened. It needs to be flushed out on exactly when.... because if they found out about it after it came out in the lawsuit then that is much much different than them knowing and covering it up.
@@daleharris3809 it’s too many to name because WWE treated almost all of them like trash when they were on their way out. Good lord they had a living legend Mae Young lie in bed with Mark Henry then give birth to a damn hand… a DAMN HAND!!!!!! And I watched that sh!t live and looked at my boyfriend at the time and was like “ when I was watching wrestling religiously, was in the hogans days of the wholesome sh!t! What the hell is this?!!” Mannn the attitude era was def the turning point of the most rachet mess they could crank out.
I remember back when I was in college I did some research for ptsd and came across some alarming statistics in regards to the R word in the military and when I brought it up during my speech the entire room went silent. It’s like something you know goes on but bo one is allowed to speak on because military folk we are suppose to praise
Yes--my Dad is ex-military, and I've spoken to vets directly about their experiences. Many are either abusers or abused, more than most would like to imagine. Sadly, it seems there is a sickness and a culture of silence in the system of any militia.
I also read about Vince trying to get at Jackie Gayda. She turned him down, and both Jackie and Charlie Haas were fired when they returned from their honeymoon.
It feels like Vince knew this was on the cusp of blowing up and sold before the lid popped. Unfortunately anyone who ever worked side by side with him is going down. Good Riddance
Hey Jim..came across this channel by accident..but man what great commentary..subscribed.. was big fan of wrestling back in 80s/90s and it's such a blast hearing the inside scoops from you .with such funny humour.. brilliant
To be in the position of just having discovered Jim's UA-cam page... i envy you, sir. Endless hours of incredible insights, stories, and jokes waiting for you. Must be like getting to watch Star Wars for the first time again. Welcome to the cult of Cornette!
Does anyone think Sable got the push she did because Vince was getting what he would openly dream about as Jim has mentioned numerous times? Her in white cotton panties but behind closed doors. She was even brought back in 2003 for no real reason whatsoever and was by his side in promos and such and even ends up marrying Brock who has his own issues that Vince assisted in as we've already heard. Who knows what other women Vince pimped out to the beast incarnate at that and Sable probably isnt too mad about it because she also has dirty history with Vince, Her husband's boss. This thing could get really out of hand
Not to mention she was horrible at promos and in ring work and had no real talent besides her looks and was paid very well for it. Kind of all adds up but in her case it might've obviously been consensual for what she got out of it
Very likely, but also because she was hugely over at the time, even WCW wrestlers said when she was on TV the ratings for that qtr hour would swing drastically. In '03 it was probably because they thought she could draw ratings again.
I really don't get how it's hard for Jim to picture Vince making out with divas. Trish, Candace Michelle, Torrie Wilson, Stacey Keibler, Dawn Marie, Sable?
(Cue the Goodfellas/Casino murder montage as everybody who knows the truth about what Vince was doing behind closed doors suddenly start having accidents)
He probably knows the majority of people will get their wet panties in bunch cause they’re easily offended by everything/run off of feelings hell if Travis looked at them crosseyed they would be offended
to be clear everyone, Ashley was employed in the WWE between 2005 to 2008, Vince was in his late 50's, taking supplements and lifting weights at the time and was in great buff shape!!! he was not the old old man you see today.
Brians distain for Bruce is just over the top in this case. It’s clear he wants Bruce to be implicated in something because of a personal vendetta. And to act as if Bruce doesn’t have any ideas or ability to run or work within a wrestling booking team is disingenuous and Jim, I’m sure, knows that. I’m not even a Bruce mark. It’s just weird hearing Brian reach so far to insult and implicate him.
Stephanie McMahon refused to allow Ashley to train at a wrestling academy since she was untrained. Trish Stratus broke a bone in Ashley and stratus threatened her into not telling so she wouldn't lose her spot. Both are culpable as well.
Trish stratus didn't threaten Ashley, Trish sat down with Ashley and told her that yes, her spot would be in jeopardy if she went and got the injury treated, but more as a women's locker room leader
Every villain meets their karma at some point. It's just a question of when and how. The courts on the outside couldn't bring him down only those from the inside brought him down from within. That's the only way to take down a dictator regime.
“Vince like Biden” there, fixed it for you, now will you leave politics out of wrestling? You’re smart when it comes to wrestling but don’t know jack about politics or Trump because you just go along with whatever the media tells you.
When i was a kid, i used to lump corny in the same boat as Heyman or Joey Styles. Now I’ve been listening to this podcast almost nonstop for days now. You went and made a damn cultist outta me! Voting for Cornette
If the story about Ashley is true, and it probably is, it's more than Vince that needs to be held accountable here. I think there are a few generals that need to be questioned.
This would not be a WWE matter, this would be a matter for the authorities. She could of easily contacted the authorities ..... Ashley also made all these claims then wrote a huge letter apologizing to WWE and wanted to return. The woman was unhinged.
I've been in the Army for 15 years, still in the Army today and I have never (I HAVE NEVER!!!) heard of GROUPS of soldiers drugging and raping a woman. I'm not saying sexual assault never happens in the military (I wish it never did) but so many of the claims of sexual assault are false and harassment exaggerated (I just got done speaking in defense of a female recruiter from a female soldier that claimed sexual harassment and it was proven the female soldier was a liar and the female recruiter proven innocent. So even WOMEN will tell you that women lie in the Army about it). I have literally witnessed more soldiers, particularly male ones, step in and PREVENT any form of sexual assault or harassment. Male officers in the Army are DESPERATE at times to find excuses to defend a woman from any dirty joke made (even if it offends the female soldier that the male officer decides to take offense FOR HER). I've been to bars near Baumholder, Germany where I have literally seen male soldiers step in and REFUSE to let someone take a sloppy drunk women to their room and would report it to the MPs. I have been one male soldier (Swanson, you know me) in Germany step in and prevent a male soldier attempt to rape another male soldier. But now, a GROUP of military servicemembers ALL joined in and agreed to work TOGETHER and drug a woman then gangrape her? I could see politicians doing that or gangmembers. But no, I just don't believe it. We literally make it illegal to look at porn when you're on deployment, EVEN on your own personal laptop, using paid-for internet. I'm just not accepting it and I'm calling bullshit.
The border problems.. Video games have been failing majorly.. now finding out Ashley(RIP) was attcked on an American Military base. I just cant anymore..
It's called jealousy. He's a simp. But she needs a makeover. Her makeup is yuk but she is taking after Tully. Give the devil his due. She was the one to beat
What really bothers me is everyone is sad over Ashley self deleting herself BUT no one seems to care that this selfish act left her daughter out in the wind without the mother who brought her into the world. I feel awful that she decided to remove herself from this plane of existence but she had a child that now doesn't have a mother anymore. I feel more sorrow for the daughter.
If you even look at the Attitude era there’s a lot that doesn’t track (Look how Sable was booked like a female Hogan) But, someone with the pedigree of Luna Vachon was made to look like a clown (i can bank with a loaded gun to my head) Vince was dipping his pen into company ink when it came to Sable (Sable would later file a assault case against the WWF)
And didn’t took you long enough to get triggered by it. If it were Biden, then you’ll get happy that he’s being made fun of instead of your daddy. One word for you: Pathetic
God I hope Vince ends up in prison. He is not just a piece of shit but a predator and absolutely bad/dangerous person. This business about ruining the reputation of Ashley…I was clueless about it all till recently. He needs a serious dose of reality. Poor woman. Makes me wonder how important Pat Patterson was in keeping those dorks from NY in line and on planet earth (Bince, Dunn, Bruce, the Dynamic Douche, et al)
Poor Ashley. She was one of favorites on the show. To get raped, told not to say shit, and then commits suicide. It’s a shame murder charges cant be brought up for that. Sad world we live in
Well, even though she didn't die, WWE didn't do Debra McMichael any favors by 'silencing' her, and sending her C&D's to keep quiet about 'Stone Cold' opening up hot, warm, cold & every temperature in between, cans of Austin 3:16 Whoop Ass!!!!!!!! Austin walked out the fuckin company, yet McMahon was more concerned about Austin's merch $ale$ than the welfare of a woman, who worked for his company, and was being abused and victimized on the regular... Smmfh
maybe you should learn how to be responsible for yourself in the world. sad you think money or power have anything to do with your own personal decision in this world. very sad, especially when you think of yourself as a "conqueror". nobody mentioned you in this comment thread, so you went through over 1,100 comments, to try and insult me, a person you will never meet. ironic.@@richardtheconquerer
I wouldn’t be surprised if Stephanie was the one leaking stuff to the Wall Street Journal. It would explain her rushed somewhat forced leave of absence, her dad trying to bury her on the way out and then getting immediately brought back to being a co chairman with Nick Khan.
Her and Triple H definitely had a hand in this, too many details for them not to know something was going on, and they had good reasons to be pissed off.
With John Laurinaitis possibly turning informer and had experience with Ashely Massaro, Vince McMahon could finally be charged and convicted of all his crimes.
Problem with that is Johnny Ace is a known liar and was head of talent relations so their is no way Vince, TKO or WWE's lawyers couldn't eat him alive in court. In order for him to prove he's telling the truth he'd have to admit to being involved. Just look at the statement his Lawyer made and how Jim made fun of it he basically said "that thing they said didn't happen actually did happen but not in the manner she said it happened so it didn't really happen but it happened."
No crime committed as such from a legal standpoint. But Vince owed her a duty of care to at the very least request there be an investigation and for his company to provide support to her in helping her report the matter to the authorities as well as providing any other support to her including counselling, therapy etc. He failed to do any of that. So whilst legally he is probably not culpable, this sways public opinion against him even more than it already has and makes him look like an even bigger POS than he already looks like.
@@BrianOBrien5150i don't exactly remember details of the story but i think johnny ace will be in as much trouble as Vince if not more in this ashley situation
Ashley was a gem of a human when I met her. The dark path she went down was a direct result of the trauma she experienced. Laurinaitis, McMahon, and anyone else involved should spend the rest of their monstrous lives behind bars. This is beyond sad.
Yes, let's hope justice is served, even though it's too late to save poor lovely Ashley. Let's hope too that Ashley's now-teen daughter is looked after and supported in this difficult time, and receives everything she needs to live a good life, though of course nothing can replace the loss of her mother in such a cruel needless evil fashion.
Indeed. I remember the Raw after Wrestlemania 24 in Orlando, she was the only one who came out and signed autographs at the stage door barricade before the show. She loved her fans and was grateful for each & everyone's support!
Had people not been so quick to deny or ignore victims of sexual assault at the time, she would still be here. Societal norms need to shift so victims of horrific circumstances aren't scared to try and get help.
Same here. My heart still aches for that young lady. I’ve been saying it a lot, these past few weeks- I wish Ashley could’ve held on a while longer. I understand the trauma, anger, hurt, and pain she was surely feeling for too many weeks, months, and years. I think a lot of women know that hurt. Obviously not on the scale of our abuser(s) being insanely wealthy people in positions of authority and power, as I am certain that makes shit all the more frightening, but the core and the root is something many women (I’d say most of us) have experienced and we have felt or are still feeling. Ashley really seemed like such a beautiful human. I mean it. She really tried and she seemed to be doing most everything to better the life and future of herself, but moreover, her daughter. It’s odd to feel such empathy and respect for a woman I never knew or even met, but I absolutely feel for Ashley and her daughter. I really respect how so many of the other female talent and wrestlers seemed to come together after Ashley’s death, to help out the daughter she left behind. Give it 2-3 years, and I expect to see some sort of “surviving Vince McMahon/WWF/WWE” type of movement and docuseries. Sadly, so many of the women that likely had A LOT to share, are dead. Just so fucking sad. I really hope that Dark Side of the Ring will do one huge season just unpacking ALL of this shit (in a year or two). I’m looking forward to this upcoming season. Mostly the episode about Sherri! I loved her so much. She was a great talent and she was actually so gifted in the ring.
The fact they knew about Ashley Massaro's rape and did nothing is pretty disgusting. They did everything to bury the case which ultimately resulted in her passing away .
Bro think about ALL the other horrible things WWE and Vince covered up like that Jimmy Snuka murder case. You have to figure Snuka murdered his GF and Vince covered it up so Snuka can wrestle.
I hope we get to hear from the various other former WWE Divas that Vince & Johnny Ace went through... Christy Hemme, Dawn Marie, and the whole slew of women that were hired via lingerie catalogs... Christy Hemme did cut a very interesting promo on IMPACT Wrestling year's ago... I remember it involving V.K.M. (Voodoo Kin Mafia) that definitely correlates with what is going on right now... She needs to be heard...
During the NDA investigation it was rumored the one of the settlements was with Hemme. Don't know if that's for sure, but that was the talk at the time
I don't understand why Vince and Johnny didn't just go with Ashley to meet the base commanding officer to report the incident and identify the army doctor concerned. The guy could've been quietly court marshalled and charged and the matter could've been dealt with there and then in a way that gave justice to Ashley but prevented bad publicity for the military/WWE.
I can't wait to hear Jim's thoughts on the bombshell news from Ashley's friend that Ashley Massaro told Stephanie McMahon personally and Stephanie refused to help her.
We don't know if that is true. Ashley daughter came out and Said "the friend" has not spoke to her mom in years and isn't a family friend. So I would be weary of what that "friend" stated.
@12:48 - so Corny never saw the TRUE rise of Trish Stratus. Or Stacy Keibler. Or Torrie Wilson. Because that was all on the TV screen and that was old Vince. And didn't Sable get a taste at a point?
WWE said they didn't want to pursue the people who assaulted Ashley on that trip because they didn't want to damage their relationship with the military, That's BS! Stand by your workers. I'm sure they wouldn't have just let it go had it been Stephanie that it happened to. They didn't think she was as important as their Tribute to the Troops shows. They wanted to keep doing their shows so they brushed her vicious assault under the rug. The WWE should have worked with the military to hold those people accountable, because if they'll do that to her, God knows who else they've done it to. They were brazen enough to do it to WWE Guests, imagine what they'd do to an ordinary woman. People like that must be stopped. Even if that means no more Tribute to the Troops, you should stand by your talent and work with the military to find the culprits. This was a fail for the WWE.
It was around the time Ashley said Vince was making out with Divas that *_Bruce told Francine that she needs to go in Vince's office with oiled up milkers_* and ask what he would like in return for her push.
I really don't think the situation where Vince urged a rape victim to keep quiet is going to be worse than the situation where he raped someone himself, used her as a tool in a contract negotiation and then urged her to keep quiet. But I could be wrong.
@@Fozzie420 it’s been told for years now yall care lol. Anyway he’s been accused of much worse so idk how it will make them look worse since they are accused of much worse I can’t think of anything worse than Johnny ace snitching
Stephanie definitely knew this was going on she left right as Vince was coming back... that tells me she knew alot about what was going on. They need to sit her down and see what she knew.
The more you hear the more Vince seems like an actual sociopath, like medical literature sociopath. Also I love Jim but he really needs to stop saying Steroids, head trauma, because thats not what this is.
Ashley's best friend just did an interview and said that Stephanie was ordered to handle the situation to make Ashley comfortable and get ashley to open up and then when it came down to the board meeting, Stephanie sided with the board and three Ashley under the bus. Maybe that's why Stephanie left because she knew about her dad and didn't want to testify against him. It looks like she knew and said nothing.
Dutch Mantell had an excellent point on his podcast. If Laurenaitis claims he’s a victim and participated against his will, why did he continue to have s*x with Ms Grant when she was sent to his condo ALONE?? Why didn’t he sit down with her or basically send her away? If they were both “afraid” of VM, why didn’t he come up with a plan with Janel to say they did things to satisfy VM? Just BS on his end and he’s trying to cover his arse and saving face with his wife.. IF she didn’t truly know. He’s tying to cut a deal and throwing any and everyone under the bus.
Cornette made the same point when he first discussed Ace claiming to be a victim
They won’t be any reason to cut a deal. They will just probably all have to pay Janel the money that she’s asking for.
Vince is an imposing 80 year old man and he would not hesitate to shit on your head. Johnny ace was scared shitless
Why Ms Gant had sexual interactions with McMahon for money for 3 years?
Isnt that called prostitution?
@@kingston4313lol
Taking into account Ashley's Massaro's demise and what psychological scars might have contributed to it, this situation could be even more horrific than Janel Grant's. And it's just as important that her family gets justice on her behalf.
You can take Vince out of the trailer park, but you can’t take the trailer park out of Vince.
Guaranteed it did. I've seen it before in my life, sadly. So it definitely contributed, amongst many other things.
Her poor daughter. It's horrible.
@@ed5416What the hell?! What's your issue with trailer parks? We're you raised on one? You get robbed on one once? Because to me it sounds grossly unfair to pin the behaviour of a man who hasn't lived in poverty in nearly fifty years on the less affluent or his area.
So a man exerting the kind of power he exerted that he wouldn't of been able to otherwise is still the fault of the poor?
Those sorts of people are friendlier and more real than stuck up suits could ever dream of being.
Naw. Vince is a pos but the meeting Ashley had with Vince was days after the alleged sexual assault. She was in Kuwait, passed out because of the heat and dehydration. She was then allegedly drugged and assaulted by a military personnel. She didn’t report it to the authorities there. I heard the military recently looked into the allegations.
Such an awful situation. Rest in peace Ashley 😢💔 I’m sorry this world failed you.
Thankfully, she never made it into Cucknette's Hot Tub.
Because of the world...
@@slyfox2022 Hot Tubs
She made her choices, she the loved the attention sadly and would always cry after, is every woman a victim of a man and not as strong as they say and not as smart and girl boss etc... odd. I hate to bad mouth her now shes gone but her choice in men was always bad.
@Jigsjigz so, because she dated a few douche bags, being SA'd is her fault? I stg people like you amaze me. you're always the first to say "if she was SA'd/assaulted, why didn't she go to the police/speak up"? But when a woman DOES come forward you talk shit about her PERSONAL life (that you know nothing about, no matter what you think) and sling mud on her for things you know nothing about.
Shame on you. A woman created you.
Remember Cryme Tyme auctioning off Lita’s underwear to the crowd when she decided to retire in 2007? I wonder who wrote that…and why.
As soon as I heard them mention a redacted name who retired around the time Ashley's playboy cover came out, the first person I thought of was Lita.
@@daleharris3809I was thinking maybe Rosa Mendez.
The statement that the lawyer put out just said that they became aware of it at some point.
It does not say that they found out about it when it allegedly happened.
It needs to be flushed out on exactly when.... because if they found out about it after it came out in the lawsuit then that is much much different than them knowing and covering it up.
That was a great segment lol
@@daleharris3809 it’s too many to name because WWE treated almost all of them like trash when they were on their way out. Good lord they had a living legend Mae Young lie in bed with Mark Henry then give birth to a damn hand… a DAMN HAND!!!!!! And I watched that sh!t live and looked at my boyfriend at the time and was like “ when I was watching wrestling religiously, was in the hogans days of the wholesome sh!t! What the hell is this?!!” Mannn the attitude era was def the turning point of the most rachet mess they could crank out.
I remember back when I was in college I did some research for ptsd and came across some alarming statistics in regards to the R word in the military and when I brought it up during my speech the entire room went silent. It’s like something you know goes on but bo one is allowed to speak on because military folk we are suppose to praise
Yes--my Dad is ex-military, and I've spoken to vets directly about their experiences. Many are either abusers or abused, more than most would like to imagine. Sadly, it seems there is a sickness and a culture of silence in the system of any militia.
I wonder if Triple H's heart emergency was caused by him finding out what was really going on at the office.
Or his two virtue signaling vacc*ne injections?
A few years ago? No, he absolutely had a major heart problem and had to get a pacemaker.
Poor Ashley I heard stories that despite her battles she was one of the nicest people to meet in wrestling Her story is absolutely heartbreaking
I also read about Vince trying to get at Jackie Gayda. She turned him down, and both Jackie and Charlie Haas were fired when they returned from their honeymoon.
It feels like Vince knew this was on the cusp of blowing up and sold before the lid popped. Unfortunately anyone who ever worked side by side with him is going down. Good Riddance
Yep I agree.
Of course he did
Hey Jim..came across this channel by accident..but man what great commentary..subscribed.. was big fan of wrestling back in 80s/90s and it's such a blast hearing the inside scoops from you .with such funny humour.. brilliant
To be in the position of just having discovered Jim's UA-cam page... i envy you, sir. Endless hours of incredible insights, stories, and jokes waiting for you. Must be like getting to watch Star Wars for the first time again. Welcome to the cult of Cornette!
Does anyone think Sable got the push she did because Vince was getting what he would openly dream about as Jim has mentioned numerous times? Her in white cotton panties but behind closed doors. She was even brought back in 2003 for no real reason whatsoever and was by his side in promos and such and even ends up marrying Brock who has his own issues that Vince assisted in as we've already heard. Who knows what other women Vince pimped out to the beast incarnate at that and Sable probably isnt too mad about it because she also has dirty history with Vince, Her husband's boss. This thing could get really out of hand
Not to mention she was horrible at promos and in ring work and had no real talent besides her looks and was paid very well for it. Kind of all adds up but in her case it might've obviously been consensual for what she got out of it
I was about to say, she didn't get by on her ability.
Very likely, but also because she was hugely over at the time, even WCW wrestlers said when she was on TV the ratings for that qtr hour would swing drastically. In '03 it was probably because they thought she could draw ratings again.
love the Vince talk. it's like watching a train wreck in progress.
I second that.
It’s so satisfying to see Vince McMahon face at least a little bit of karma.
One of the best things about being a adult wrestling fan is the scandals
I really don't get how it's hard for Jim to picture Vince making out with divas. Trish, Candace Michelle, Torrie Wilson, Stacey Keibler, Dawn Marie, Sable?
"I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU JOHNNY, YOU MAY FOLD UNDER QUESTIONING"
His whole family were rats, he finally became a rat!"
Laughs in Ray Liotta.
😂
(Cue the Goodfellas/Casino murder montage as everybody who knows the truth about what Vince was doing behind closed doors suddenly start having accidents)
With Albert Barese in the background nursing a broken bottle to his head.
Laurinaitis is so skeezy and weasel-y, I'm not suprised Vince kept him so close.
The fact that the WWE has all been Vince’s Fetish this whole time is truly horrifying
It makes it even worse because his character on television was exactly the same. He showed us exactly who he was.
The thing is even I understood that as a kid, so I know it's crazy to have grown employees participating for money,s*x and fame
Now everyone knows why Randy Savage locked Elizabeth in a room alone and had a hand gun in his gym bag.
Never forget when he had Heidenreich rape Michael Cole on SmackDown in 2005 because Vince had a dream where it happened.
How much tv do you think we watched was just vince sick fetishes?
Major respect to Travis, for not putting Ashley as part of the artwork.
Absolutely
He probably knows the majority of people will get their wet panties in bunch cause they’re easily offended by everything/run off of feelings hell if Travis looked at them crosseyed they would be offended
Feds been trying to get Vince since 92
to be clear everyone, Ashley was employed in the WWE between 2005 to 2008, Vince was in his late 50's, taking supplements and lifting weights at the time and was in great buff shape!!! he was not the old old man you see today.
and no still means no
I bet Bruce turned Brother Love red when he heard the news
“Johnny The Bull Laurinitas”😂😂
I wonder if Tammy Syich will come out and turn state witness against Vince for a lighter sentence?!😮
Who had Johnny Ace turning into Sammy The Bull in 2024????
I mean not really shocking
I just hope Ashley can get some justice.
Brians distain for Bruce is just over the top in this case. It’s clear he wants Bruce to be implicated in something because of a personal vendetta. And to act as if Bruce doesn’t have any ideas or ability to run or work within a wrestling booking team is disingenuous and Jim, I’m sure, knows that.
I’m not even a Bruce mark. It’s just weird hearing Brian reach so far to insult and implicate him.
Stephanie McMahon refused to allow Ashley to train at a wrestling academy since she was untrained. Trish Stratus broke a bone in Ashley and stratus threatened her into not telling so she wouldn't lose her spot. Both are culpable as well.
Where did you hear that?
Trish stratus didn't threaten Ashley, Trish sat down with Ashley and told her that yes, her spot would be in jeopardy if she went and got the injury treated, but more as a women's locker room leader
How do you figure that?
@@vincesmith2499 Ashley said that. She requested training it was denied idk if it was Steph who said tho
@@CockyBalboa Ashley herself said it
Finally! Been waiting for a video about this. Justice for ashley
Why do people say "sexual assault" instead of RAPE?
Or say Battle Fatigue instead of Shell Shock
Because those are 2 different things read a book
SA can be smacking someone on the butt
@@pleaseshutup7053 Massaro claimed she was RAPED.
@@pleaseshutup7053 Ashley alleged that she was raped.
Nancy Argentino, Ashley Massaro, & Tom Cole all deserve justice
What happened with the other two?
@@EliC09Nancy Argentino was killed by Jimmy Snuka. I don't know of the Tom Cole fellow.
Micheal Hayes was fooling around with Rosa Mendes. He’s guilty too
That was consensual. Mendes openly talked about how she was in a bad place mentally and reached out for love.
the truth alllways ways comes out
Just me or does the massaro over seas situation sound like the plot for The Generals Daughter
Ketamine, dehydration in the desert, cover up, similar but not close
Vince McMahon no different than the politics in office
Every villain meets their karma at some point. It's just a question of when and how. The courts on the outside couldn't bring him down only those from the inside brought him down from within. That's the only way to take down a dictator regime.
What a build to a Shopify ad read at the end.
Bruce throwing his phone away cracked me
“ and whatever the fuck else he had going on”😂 Jim’s so funny,
The most successful thing Johnny Ace has accomplished in this is figuring out how to throw the driver under their own bus.
I would pay to see Vince McMahon’s Demented Wrestling with the Psych Ward patients against each other it has potential
Oh jazuz ..can you imagine the gimmicks.. FFS 😂
I love Jim doing his Davey impression
I think Ashley was murderd
“Vince like Biden” there, fixed it for you, now will you leave politics out of wrestling? You’re smart when it comes to wrestling but don’t know jack about politics or Trump because you just go along with whatever the media tells you.
Trump coincidentally just best buds with Epstien and McMahon
Exactly. Thank you.
Trump was close person friends with Epstien and McMahon. Birds of a feather
5:23 LMFAO the Jersey really jumped out of Brian right then 😂😂😂
Hayes and Prichard will be gone by 2025. Bruce will "retire" and Hayes contract mysteriously wont be renewed.
I only recently started listening to Cornette in the last 4 or 5 months. I never thought I would hear them reference "bird law" on here.
When i was a kid, i used to lump corny in the same boat as Heyman or Joey Styles. Now I’ve been listening to this podcast almost nonstop for days now. You went and made a damn cultist outta me! Voting for Cornette
If the story about Ashley is true, and it probably is, it's more than Vince that needs to be held accountable here. I think there are a few generals that need to be questioned.
Honestly Sable is looking like the hero now suing Vince and the company for sexual harassment back then.
am I the only one that sees the funny irony in Johnny Ace being referred to as a "stool" pigeon ;)
What did Hornswoggle know?
This would not be a WWE matter, this would be a matter for the authorities. She could of easily contacted the authorities ..... Ashley also made all these claims then wrote a huge letter apologizing to WWE and wanted to return. The woman was unhinged.
That pic is hilarious
What does Brain have against Bruce?
If VKM has skeletons in his closet then Michael Hayes has a mass grave boneyard 😂
#JusticeforAshley
I want justice to prevail... I want that predator to be inside prison for the rest of his life
I've been in the Army for 15 years, still in the Army today and I have never (I HAVE NEVER!!!) heard of GROUPS of soldiers drugging and raping a woman.
I'm not saying sexual assault never happens in the military (I wish it never did) but so many of the claims of sexual assault are false and harassment exaggerated (I just got done speaking in defense of a female recruiter from a female soldier that claimed sexual harassment and it was proven the female soldier was a liar and the female recruiter proven innocent. So even WOMEN will tell you that women lie in the Army about it).
I have literally witnessed more soldiers, particularly male ones, step in and PREVENT any form of sexual assault or harassment. Male officers in the Army are DESPERATE at times to find excuses to defend a woman from any dirty joke made (even if it offends the female soldier that the male officer decides to take offense FOR HER). I've been to bars near Baumholder, Germany where I have literally seen male soldiers step in and REFUSE to let someone take a sloppy drunk women to their room and would report it to the MPs. I have been one male soldier (Swanson, you know me) in Germany step in and prevent a male soldier attempt to rape another male soldier.
But now, a GROUP of military servicemembers ALL joined in and agreed to work TOGETHER and drug a woman then gangrape her? I could see politicians doing that or gangmembers. But no, I just don't believe it. We literally make it illegal to look at porn when you're on deployment, EVEN on your own personal laptop, using paid-for internet. I'm just not accepting it and I'm calling bullshit.
Laurinaitis turning heel on a heel while being a heel.
The border problems.. Video games have been failing majorly.. now finding out Ashley(RIP) was attcked on an American Military base. I just cant anymore..
Well then you know exactly what to do
Walk around in circles in your room and rock yourself back and forth in the dark while holding your teddy bear
Now Stephanie is named in the lawsuit. Im really startin to believe the Shane theory. Its getting insane
How come Trish, Tori, Stacey, and countless others saw this or experienced this?
It's called jealousy. He's a simp. But she needs a makeover. Her makeup is yuk but she is taking after Tully. Give the devil his due. She was the one to beat
Why do people think being a Vince stooge means Vince let them in on all the fuckery he did?
Why didn't Ashley sue the army herself
Looking at your previous comments.. mostly defending Vince. Typical.
It’s a pretty bizarre story. The Vince stuff is sounding par for the course, but the “Army Dr. and female accomplice” story seems pretty strange.
Lol sue the army hahaha you will lose. Who has sued the army and won?
Was he difficult to find? How many human centipede-creating US Army medics worked there that day?
If it was Stephanie and Paul, this real-life drama makes Succession look like Family Matters, and will make an amazing series someday.
Mcmahon in his best jimmy duranty….”you dirty rat”
Laurinaitis: It was, in fact, Vince McMahon who let the dogs out.
What really bothers me is everyone is sad over Ashley self deleting herself BUT no one seems to care that this selfish act left her daughter out in the wind without the mother who brought her into the world. I feel awful that she decided to remove herself from this plane of existence but she had a child that now doesn't have a mother anymore. I feel more sorrow for the daughter.
If you even look at the Attitude era there’s a lot that doesn’t track (Look how Sable was booked like a female Hogan) But, someone with the pedigree of Luna Vachon was made to look like a clown (i can bank with a loaded gun to my head) Vince was dipping his pen into company ink when it came to Sable (Sable would later file a assault case against the WWF)
You can tell Trump really hurt Jim at some point...LOL
LOL that was so funny! Wow! Lol!
Barely even mentioned him
Poor Ashley, too pure for the wrestling business!
Vince will settle with everyone and this will be over
Johnny Ace & his Lawyer saw the future after this whole scandal blew open and maybe want to cover their bases in case the Feds come a knocking
Didn't take long for deranged Jim Cornette to figure out a way to drag Donald Trump into this story.
One and a quarter words: unlistenable
And didn’t took you long enough to get triggered by it. If it were Biden, then you’ll get happy that he’s being made fun of instead of your daddy.
One word for you: Pathetic
Jim has absolutely no idea why he hates Trump.
We do know why doesn't take a genius to figure it out
@globalcitizenfulTrump is an insurrectionist.
God I hope Vince ends up in prison. He is not just a piece of shit but a predator and absolutely bad/dangerous person. This business about ruining the reputation of Ashley…I was clueless about it all till recently. He needs a serious dose of reality. Poor woman.
Makes me wonder how important Pat Patterson was in keeping those dorks from NY in line and on planet earth (Bince, Dunn, Bruce, the Dynamic Douche, et al)
Poor Ashley. She was one of favorites on the show. To get raped, told not to say shit, and then commits suicide. It’s a shame murder charges cant be brought up for that. Sad world we live in
Well, even though she didn't die, WWE didn't do Debra McMichael any favors by 'silencing' her, and sending her C&D's to keep quiet about 'Stone Cold' opening up hot, warm, cold & every temperature in between, cans of Austin 3:16 Whoop Ass!!!!!!!! Austin walked out the fuckin company, yet McMahon was more concerned about Austin's merch $ale$ than the welfare of a woman, who worked for his company, and was being abused and victimized on the regular... Smmfh
@@SlicRic81 Well of course Stone Cold was more important to the business as he made them money
imagine being an adult and getting graped, then not telling anyone because you were told not to, by* other adults.lol.
@@hughjass7101 maybe when you finish 8th grade you'll understand how money and power works in the real world
maybe you should learn how to be responsible for yourself in the world. sad you think money or power have anything to do with your own personal decision in this world. very sad, especially when you think of yourself as a "conqueror". nobody mentioned you in this comment thread, so you went through over 1,100 comments, to try and insult me, a person you will never meet. ironic.@@richardtheconquerer
I wouldn’t be surprised if Stephanie was the one leaking stuff to the Wall Street Journal. It would explain her rushed somewhat forced leave of absence, her dad trying to bury her on the way out and then getting immediately brought back to being a co chairman with Nick Khan.
It's all about the Game, and how play it.
Happy Father's Day Vince
Her and Triple H definitely had a hand in this, too many details for them not to know something was going on, and they had good reasons to be pissed off.
@@King4sshole89waahhhh, my daddy who handed everything to me took his job back WAAHHHHHHH!
@@johnv6806nobody cares about your opinion wahh
How did Vince try to bury her on his way out?
The Dark Side of the Ring: Vince McMahon episode is going to be crazy.
vince gonna have his own season
It won't air till he's dead he'll see to that! He's a billionaire he'll keep them in litigation till his last breath! Deep pockets!
@@mikeleecruz4197 Gonna have his own series.
It's going to be muli episodes for sure
It will be a series for that one.
With John Laurinaitis possibly turning informer and had experience with Ashely Massaro, Vince McMahon could finally be charged and convicted of all his crimes.
Problem with that is Johnny Ace is a known liar and was head of talent relations so their is no way Vince, TKO or WWE's lawyers couldn't eat him alive in court. In order for him to prove he's telling the truth he'd have to admit to being involved. Just look at the statement his Lawyer made and how Jim made fun of it he basically said "that thing they said didn't happen actually did happen but not in the manner she said it happened so it didn't really happen but it happened."
What crime/law was broken regarding McMahon and Massaro ?
No crime committed as such from a legal standpoint. But Vince owed her a duty of care to at the very least request there be an investigation and for his company to provide support to her in helping her report the matter to the authorities as well as providing any other support to her including counselling, therapy etc. He failed to do any of that. So whilst legally he is probably not culpable, this sways public opinion against him even more than it already has and makes him look like an even bigger POS than he already looks like.
@@BrianOBrien5150i don't exactly remember details of the story but i think johnny ace will be in as much trouble as Vince if not more in this ashley situation
@@lynackhilou4865Brian and Jim literally discuss what happened in this video
Ashley was a gem of a human when I met her. The dark path she went down was a direct result of the trauma she experienced. Laurinaitis, McMahon, and anyone else involved should spend the rest of their monstrous lives behind bars. This is beyond sad.
Yes, let's hope justice is served, even though it's too late to save poor lovely Ashley. Let's hope too that Ashley's now-teen daughter is looked after and supported in this difficult time, and receives everything she needs to live a good life, though of course nothing can replace the loss of her mother in such a cruel needless evil fashion.
Indeed. I remember the Raw after Wrestlemania 24 in Orlando, she was the only one who came out and signed autographs at the stage door barricade before the show. She loved her fans and was grateful for each & everyone's support!
Had people not been so quick to deny or ignore victims of sexual assault at the time, she would still be here. Societal norms need to shift so victims of horrific circumstances aren't scared to try and get help.
They won’t last long in prison
@@Norbworthy Brock might if he goes, but none of the others will. LOL
I hope what ever settlement there is Ashley's daughter gets some money
Same here. My heart still aches for that young lady. I’ve been saying it a lot, these past few weeks- I wish Ashley could’ve held on a while longer. I understand the trauma, anger, hurt, and pain she was surely feeling for too many weeks, months, and years. I think a lot of women know that hurt. Obviously not on the scale of our abuser(s) being insanely wealthy people in positions of authority and power, as I am certain that makes shit all the more frightening, but the core and the root is something many women (I’d say most of us) have experienced and we have felt or are still feeling.
Ashley really seemed like such a beautiful human. I mean it. She really tried and she seemed to be doing most everything to better the life and future of herself, but moreover, her daughter. It’s odd to feel such empathy and respect for a woman I never knew or even met, but I absolutely feel for Ashley and her daughter.
I really respect how so many of the other female talent and wrestlers seemed to come together after Ashley’s death, to help out the daughter she left behind. Give it 2-3 years, and I expect to see some sort of “surviving Vince McMahon/WWF/WWE” type of movement and docuseries. Sadly, so many of the women that likely had A LOT to share, are dead. Just so fucking sad.
I really hope that Dark Side of the Ring will do one huge season just unpacking ALL of this shit (in a year or two). I’m looking forward to this upcoming season. Mostly the episode about Sherri! I loved her so much. She was a great talent and she was actually so gifted in the ring.
@@iamcasihart beautiful and righteous comment, thank you. I feel the same way.
As if Ms. Grant gives a damn about Massaro or her daughter lol. Put down the pipe.
@@iamcasihart You are absolutely delusional if you believe that most women have suffered SA. That isnt even in the ballpark of reality.
@@morrnmanderson7376 assault isn’t just rape or getting beaten. A perv rubs up against a woman’s butt or chest in a store it’s assault.
The lawyer of Janel Grant said she was getting bombarded with requests from others. This is only going to get worse.
Yup.
Guess supply dictates demand in this Chappelle Show Pretty Woman skit.
Damn.. It's going to get worse.. I thought the Bill Cosby thing was bad.. Vince McMahon will make Bill Cosby's horrible actions look like child play..
There are 15 years of NDA statements and checks. This is a Court TV year's worth of programming
To be honest I think Grant was in on all of it! She wasn’t trafficked or anything. She was down for all of it because of the money.
HHH/Stef were absolutely behind the leaks. After he bullied his way back in, they had no choice
Might have been Shane.
He's like Barney Gumble who keeps coming up behind Moe after Moe has already kicked him out of the bar.
I suspect that Hs heart issues were a result of finding out what PerVince was doing. He may have walked in on it happening for all we know.
Vince McMahon is going to AEW
The fact they knew about Ashley Massaro's rape and did nothing is pretty disgusting. They did everything to bury the case which ultimately resulted in her passing away .
Bro think about ALL the other horrible things WWE and Vince covered up like that Jimmy Snuka murder case. You have to figure Snuka murdered his GF and Vince covered it up so Snuka can wrestle.
False. Her decision to take her life is what resulted in her passing away.
@@dr6770 The Pat Patterson stuff also.
@@nathanevans6292SANE PERSON
@@dr6770 Fabulous Moolah and her 'wrestling school' ...
I hope we get to hear from the various other former WWE Divas that Vince & Johnny Ace went through... Christy Hemme, Dawn Marie, and the whole slew of women that were hired via lingerie catalogs... Christy Hemme did cut a very interesting promo on IMPACT Wrestling year's ago... I remember it involving V.K.M. (Voodoo Kin Mafia) that definitely correlates with what is going on right now... She needs to be heard...
During the NDA investigation it was rumored the one of the settlements was with Hemme. Don't know if that's for sure, but that was the talk at the time
I don't understand why Vince and Johnny didn't just go with Ashley to meet the base commanding officer to report the incident and identify the army doctor concerned. The guy could've been quietly court marshalled and charged and the matter could've been dealt with there and then in a way that gave justice to Ashley but prevented bad publicity for the military/WWE.
Chain of command may've been in on it. You think the playmates on USO tours, Miss Americas, etc. were just eye candy?
I can't wait to hear Jim's thoughts on the bombshell news from Ashley's friend that Ashley Massaro told Stephanie McMahon personally and Stephanie refused to help her.
We don't know if that is true. Ashley daughter came out and Said "the friend" has not spoke to her mom in years and isn't a family friend. So I would be weary of what that "friend" stated.
@12:48 - so Corny never saw the TRUE rise of Trish Stratus. Or Stacy Keibler. Or Torrie Wilson. Because that was all on the TV screen and that was old Vince.
And didn't Sable get a taste at a point?
Did trump take Jim’s girl in High school or something 😂
Ahahah seriously. Jim has few obsessions with certain people, like Trump or Russo 😂
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WWE said they didn't want to pursue the people who assaulted Ashley on that trip because they didn't want to damage their relationship with the military, That's BS! Stand by your workers. I'm sure they wouldn't have just let it go had it been Stephanie that it happened to. They didn't think she was as important as their Tribute to the Troops shows. They wanted to keep doing their shows so they brushed her vicious assault under the rug. The WWE should have worked with the military to hold those people accountable, because if they'll do that to her, God knows who else they've done it to. They were brazen enough to do it to WWE Guests, imagine what they'd do to an ordinary woman. People like that must be stopped. Even if that means no more Tribute to the Troops, you should stand by your talent and work with the military to find the culprits. This was a fail for the WWE.
Owen Hart died due to Vince russo booking approval by Vince McMahon
The only reason why the show kept going because of Vince McMahon
It was around the time Ashley said Vince was making out with Divas that *_Bruce told Francine that she needs to go in Vince's office with oiled up milkers_* and ask what he would like in return for her push.
With her being dead and the military having a horrible record with that it dosnt seem like much will happen from this
Yea they won’t do anything and besides the doctor who did it is either dead, retired or in a hospice knocking on deaths door
@@maxpayne7312 that's why I feel it's an empty bluff to show Vince he will snitch or won't give stuff
Unfortunately the military will cover it up.
@@maxpayne7312that was under 20 years ago. The suspect wasn't described as old & decrepit.
TALKING about being assaulted would hurt WWE's relationship with the military...but BEING ASSAULTED doesn't?
It's the same with Trump. He was convicted of Sexual Assault and his loyal base love the hell out of him for it. Look at how things are going.
Oh Boy... This Ashley Massaro story is going to hurt them the most since she has passed away now..
It’s been around for years
I really don't think the situation where Vince urged a rape victim to keep quiet is going to be worse than the situation where he raped someone himself, used her as a tool in a contract negotiation and then urged her to keep quiet.
But I could be wrong.
@@pleaseshutup7053 No Shit, but with everything going down with Vince and Johnny Ace this is going to be bad for them.
@@Fozzie420 it’s been told for years now yall care lol. Anyway he’s been accused of much worse so idk how it will make them look worse since they are accused of much worse I can’t think of anything worse than Johnny ace snitching
The payout to her family for what she and they endured is going to be the real situation.
Stephanie definitely knew this was going on she left right as Vince was coming back... that tells me she knew alot about what was going on. They need to sit her down and see what she knew.
The more you hear the more Vince seems like an actual sociopath, like medical literature sociopath. Also I love Jim but he really needs to stop saying Steroids, head trauma, because thats not what this is.
Ashley's best friend just did an interview and said that Stephanie was ordered to handle the situation to make Ashley comfortable and get ashley to open up and then when it came down to the board meeting, Stephanie sided with the board and three Ashley under the bus. Maybe that's why Stephanie left because she knew about her dad and didn't want to testify against him. It looks like she knew and said nothing.
Really because Ashley’s daughter said that friend wasn’t a close friend at all & that everything she said has to be taken with a grain of salt.