1970: We recommend sprinklers. 1980: We recommend sprinklers. 1990: We recommend sprinklers. 2000: We recommend sprinklers. 2010: We recommend sprinklers. 2021: Sprinklers still not mandatory in every large building.
In the aerial photo I lived in the upper left corner of the neighborhood behind the superstore. We saw black smoke out our back window. I grabbed my camera and took quite a few shots as we walked around the front and side of the building. Employees were standing in front of the building at this time, seemingly unconcerned. There was a fence along the side of the building and I held my camera up and over to get some pics. All my photos went to a local news channel right away. My boyfriend said when they broke the front windows, the whole place "exploded" into flames. He also watched men on a firetruck along the side of the building being so inept and unprofessional or as he said, "like a three stooges episode". It's all so sad that this never had to happen if not for the mistakes made. We were interviewed by the investigation and also contributed my photos to the investigation. I will never forget it as long as I live.
This is certainly a case that will be etched in our memories as a tragedy remembered. Thank you IAFF for providing this video so that we can not only not forget, but take with us lessons for any future incidents to keep future firefighters safe.
I worked there for eight years. The firefighters should’ve never went in there it was closed and no one was inside besides a repair person in the rear warehouse Johnny Terrel. There is an employee that I trained and he took on the repair business from sofa superstore. Luckily he got out I’m still friends with him today. The firemen should’ve never went in there. Sofa superstore was closed . for some grace of God which my daughters name is Grace. I resigned after eight years of working there and this terrible thing happened. I know exactly what the news talks about when I worked there they used to take old couches dressers anything you had out of your house for free and they dump in the lot in the back of the warehouse and all the employees and everybody including me would Say good night every night some people would hang out front have a couple beers then go home but I’ll tell you what her Goldstein was the best person in my life after I lost my father his wife Marilyn and Herb were very nice to me For eight years of employment. God bless the Charleston nine!
Good afternoon, IAFFTV! I'm doing a research project for college and I was wondering where I might be able to fine the PowerPoint shown in this video? Thanks!
Does the program allow for HVAC perameters? Burning debris could have been sucked in from the HVAC. Maybe an industrial fan pointed inward. It seems like a place that was constantly expanding to accomodate merchandise. The add ons may have made the HVAC strange in some places. I know there was this green building LEED add on for Revit 3d Architecture/MEP in 2008 ish (?) that could Project HVAC and energy output in buildings modeled like your program. It seems similar to what program reconstructs the fire. The other issue is the toxic polyeurethane and ethalyne thats when burned produce cyanide gas thats building up in vents and HVAC and the rafters even if the fire isn't advancing. I am curious, also, about the estimated fuel load for all the furniture and inventory. This sounds so frightening. I'm interested in understanding why the computer wasn't producing accurate results. The only thing I can think of is HVAC.
The HVAC system would have failed very rapidly once the fire started to spread, the ductwork is designed to typically collapse when heated above a certain temperature which would most likely have not contributed that vastly to the flashover. Now that falling ductwork could very well have brought the fire into the showrooms. It could definitely be an initial cause for the spread depending on the installation of the ductwork and if there were any fire dampers in the lines. Which if I had to guess by lack of sprinklers were non-existent. Not sure if that helps but thought I'd lend a professional viewpoint into HVAC systems in a fire
This is why you fight fires from the Outside In, Not the Inside Out! In this case, from the loading dock in. That includes opening ceilings along the way. With a 360, it should have been found. By the Time a Mayday is called, it is mostly Too Late! Thoughts of a Mayday have to start long before your first action. In other words, find the burning material from a safe place and extinguish it. Then, you move into the structure. Search and Rescue has to Follow extinguishment. Extinguishment and Cooling Has to lead your way to the victims. YOU are protected by your gear, victims are not. You start HORIZONTAL Ventilation AFTER the flames and the energy of the fire are knocked down, NOT before! If you have to vent to see, you vent the fire room Only and the water has to be ready to go. If you vent anywhere else, the fire will spread to that area because it acts as a new Pressure Release location and/or fresh air source. These deaths were caused because of Reacting instead of Thinking about How to approach fires in general. Your training has to focus on what Could happen in a given environment or situation not on how to squirt water or break windows.
Soooooo many stories of firefighters killed because of windows being broken that didn't need to be or doors being opened and left open that didn't need to be
0:52 Yeah, way to go, you pieces of sh*t, drive right over the hoses that the Engine crews were using to battle the intensifying structure fire. Hearing the narrator say that made me really angry ; They should’ve been the ones that died, not the firefighters.
25:00 Oh this is brilliant! No recommendations for PROPER Fire Fighting!!! Do you have any idea how many firefighters will die before buildings get retrofitted and building codes are changed? Both of which will Never happen in your lifetime!
Apparently, the double doors leading to the show room were opened and subsequently ripped out of hands by the intensity of the blaze, preventing them from being closed again. That alone should've been cause for alarm.
1970: We recommend sprinklers.
1980: We recommend sprinklers.
1990: We recommend sprinklers.
2000: We recommend sprinklers.
2010: We recommend sprinklers.
2021: Sprinklers still not mandatory in every large building.
In the aerial photo I lived in the upper left corner of the neighborhood behind the superstore. We saw black smoke out our back window. I grabbed my camera and took quite a few shots as we walked around the front and side of the building. Employees were standing in front of the building at this time, seemingly unconcerned. There was a fence along the side of the building and I held my camera up and over to get some pics. All my photos went to a local news channel right away. My boyfriend said when they broke the front windows, the whole place "exploded" into flames. He also watched men on a firetruck along the side of the building being so inept and unprofessional or as he said, "like a three stooges episode". It's all so sad that this never had to happen if not for the mistakes made. We were interviewed by the investigation and also contributed my photos to the investigation. I will never forget it as long as I live.
This is why no call is a routine call.. R.I.P Charleston 9! Never Forget!
The Charleston FD was a frat house under Rusty Thomas.
This is certainly a case that will be etched in our memories as a tragedy remembered. Thank you IAFF for providing this video so that we can not only not forget, but take with us lessons for any future incidents to keep future firefighters safe.
What is all that yelling in the background?
I worked there for eight years. The firefighters should’ve never went in there it was closed and no one was inside besides a repair person in the rear warehouse Johnny Terrel. There is an employee that I trained and he took on the repair business from sofa superstore. Luckily he got out I’m still friends with him today. The firemen should’ve never went in there. Sofa superstore was closed . for some grace of God which my daughters name is Grace. I resigned after eight years of working there and this terrible thing happened. I know exactly what the news talks about when I worked there they used to take old couches dressers anything you had out of your house for free and they dump in the lot in the back of the warehouse and all the employees and everybody including me would Say good night every night some people would hang out front have a couple beers then go home but I’ll tell you what her Goldstein was the best person in my life after I lost my father his wife Marilyn and Herb were very nice to me For eight years of employment. God bless the Charleston nine!
This comment was all over the place
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Good afternoon, IAFFTV! I'm doing a research project for college and I was wondering where I might be able to fine the PowerPoint shown in this video?
Thanks!
I guess you found out how much they Really care!!!
Lotta rules were broken from top of command down,right from the beginning!
like opening doors into a stockroom on fire,
Does the program allow for HVAC perameters? Burning debris could have been sucked in from the HVAC. Maybe an industrial fan pointed inward. It seems like a place that was constantly expanding to accomodate merchandise. The add ons may have made the HVAC strange in some places. I know there was this green building LEED add on for Revit 3d Architecture/MEP in 2008 ish (?) that could Project HVAC and energy output in buildings modeled like your program. It seems similar to what program reconstructs the fire.
The other issue is the toxic polyeurethane and ethalyne thats when burned produce cyanide gas thats building up in vents and HVAC and the rafters even if the fire isn't advancing. I am curious, also, about the estimated fuel load for all the furniture and inventory.
This sounds so frightening. I'm interested in understanding why the computer wasn't producing accurate results. The only thing I can think of is HVAC.
No reply means they really don't care that much!
@@JB91710 No reply means they are not reading posts. No one was assigned to read posts, apparently.
The HVAC system would have failed very rapidly once the fire started to spread, the ductwork is designed to typically collapse when heated above a certain temperature which would most likely have not contributed that vastly to the flashover. Now that falling ductwork could very well have brought the fire into the showrooms. It could definitely be an initial cause for the spread depending on the installation of the ductwork and if there were any fire dampers in the lines. Which if I had to guess by lack of sprinklers were non-existent. Not sure if that helps but thought I'd lend a professional viewpoint into HVAC systems in a fire
Who is talking in the background? Especially while discussing fallen? Wtf
Very rude indeed!
This is why you fight fires from the Outside In, Not the Inside Out! In this case, from the loading dock in. That includes opening ceilings along the way. With a 360, it should have been found. By the Time a Mayday is called, it is mostly Too Late! Thoughts of a Mayday have to start long before your first action. In other words, find the burning material from a safe place and extinguish it. Then, you move into the structure. Search and Rescue has to Follow extinguishment. Extinguishment and Cooling Has to lead your way to the victims. YOU are protected by your gear, victims are not.
You start HORIZONTAL Ventilation AFTER the flames and the energy of the fire are knocked down, NOT before! If you have to vent to see, you vent the fire room Only and the water has to be ready to go. If you vent anywhere else, the fire will spread to that area because it acts as a new Pressure Release location and/or fresh air source. These deaths were caused because of Reacting instead of Thinking about How to approach fires in general. Your training has to focus on what Could happen in a given environment or situation not on how to squirt water or break windows.
Soooooo many stories of firefighters killed because of windows being broken that didn't need to be or doors being opened and left open that didn't need to be
0:52 Yeah, way to go, you pieces of sh*t, drive right over the hoses that the Engine crews were using to battle the intensifying structure fire. Hearing the narrator say that made me really angry ; They should’ve been the ones that died, not the firefighters.
25:00 Oh this is brilliant! No recommendations for PROPER Fire Fighting!!! Do you have any idea how many firefighters will die before buildings get retrofitted and building codes are changed? Both of which will Never happen in your lifetime!
assistant chief should have known better than to open those doors
Apparently, the double doors leading to the show room were opened and subsequently ripped out of hands by the intensity of the blaze, preventing them from being closed again. That alone should've been cause for alarm.
Unfortunately these are training sessions. We need to learn from these hero’s deaths
Sounds like this was filmed at a bar.