I don't think reviewers should be de-lidding their cpu's. It colors the review in a way that forgives intel's flaws unduly. We, as consumers, should demand more from a company asking for our money.
Interrobang Absolutely right! To delid or speak of it in the review is like mincing the main course with dessert. As good as the dessert may be, it tastes best after the main course.
And GTA 5! That is the only game I refer to (it is my favourite) to compare performance. Love HWUB channel but no GTA 5 in the benchmarks now was big disappointment. That game still pushes my setup to the limit when everything is cranked up....
For now at least, I will stick with my Ryzen platform. I have an RX 480, not a 1080 ti, so there's literally no gain for me between the two cpus. Not to mention, the Ryzen platform cost me a solid $200 dollars less for the same number of cores. But honestly, I'd rather support the underdog, because if it weren't for AMD, you would still have 4 core flagship processors for who knows how long.
Ya you can just go ahead and sell that outdated first gen CPU to all those people that will be banging on your door to buy it. Or you could have simply bought the Intel chip the first time around and had the best performance out of the box. To each their own.
Nah brother love my 8700K, and watching Brian's video here its clearly obvious that it's the BEST cpu for gaming and streaming which are my needs. It's not even close in many of those games he looked at. I game at 144hz 1440p and I need as many FPS as possible to render as close to 144hz so CPU horsepower is needed. Ryzen is just inadequate when it comes to high fps gaming.
despite all the merits of the chip, there still remains the one biggest issue that stops me from recommending it to anyone. > You have to delid it to get the performance worthy of calling it a flagship i7 (albeit consumer grade). If you don't delid, you're stuck spending money on an expensive AIO or watercooling which won't even help much, since the TIM-IHS layer is what's limiting your thermal performance.
"You have to delid it to get the performance worthy of calling it a flagship i7" ... what are you chatting about dude?? At stock clocks this is the fastest most powerful consumer grade i7 on the market, lol :D
And at stock clocks, putting this chip into a stress test loop will sometimes cause it to overheat, depending on your luck with the TIM+IHS. It's not that it's a BAD chip...it's a GREAT chip, but the failure of Intel to invest a couple of cents into soldering the damn thing together instead of cheaping out on paste makes it a terrible recommendation for anyone who wants to push it to its limits, like an unlocked, K-SKU chip is meant.
not really you can ran it at 4.8ghz with a 212 evo no problem and it still destroys any other cpu in gaming(except the 8600k which can be ran at the same clocks at lower temps)
Trieste08 Many reviewers said that running 4.8-4.9 easily can be achieved and temps are decent in air cooler! Unless you go higher like 5.0-5.2 then you need AIO 240mm or higher! Otherwise air cooler is sufficient!
Brian thank you for being totally honest in this review. I saw huge gains in games compared to my overclocked 5820K at 4.5Ghz. PUBG with my 8700K saw some amazing gains.
BIG ..BIG ..BIG thanks @Tech YES City For taking the time to get a DAW benchMark!!!!!! I love games just like the next guy/girl...but having a DAW benchmark made me push that subscribe button. I wish more reviewer would include DAW's in there test.
If you dont' want to overclock then yeah don't bother getting a K, though 1700 you will want to definitely overclock that! Huge performance gains to be had!
Joe Momma for most of us paying $400-500 for an i7 is kinda stupid....the kaby lake cpus or even waiting for a normal coffee lake cpu are better, Hell even ryzen sans any stock of coffee lake is a good buy and when they drop ryzen down to $150-250 to compeat with coffee lake they will still be a better budget workstation build. Honestly the hierarchy goes Threadripper for workstation Skylake for high end gaming and upper midrange lower high end workstation. Kaby lake for mid end gaming. Ryzen for mid to low end workstation amd gaming. Of course because most places ive seen are saying late december to early january at BEST for coffee lake by the time it comes out zen+ will be just around the corner so we will see how that shakes out, I am hopeing for a 4.5 to 4.6 overclock and a 1 to 5% ipc boost from refinements in bios and manufactureing which would put ryzen back where it was post coffee lake I.E a better workstation choice and still a good gaming choice with intel as always being the max fps queen.
Arctic Fox For me, Ryzen is out of the question. I am looking for max FPS and it just doesn't deliver. The only CPU I'm interested in is the 8700k delidded and overclocked. $400-$500 is worth it for me.
Joe Momma its your choice mate i just cant find it worth the extra money to buy one of those at those prices, I would rather get a 1080ti. That said my ryzen 1600x has never dropped under 60fps at 144hz in any game i play and ive had it since 2 days after it came out so i am happy
David Ledbetter depends on the game, I play a mix of AAA titles like Prey, Doom, fallout 4 ect, But i also do a lot of titles that dont do 4k very well and run better at 1080p or even 720p (think mechwarrior 4, the old monkey island games ect). Im not sure my pc even with a 1080ti could use 240hz but i cant tell the diffrence between 144 and 240 so im not concerned as my ryzen 1600x with a 4.1 OC and 1080 does more then well enough to run at 60fps+ in most games at 4k, Only game i have that really shits on it is rise of the tomb raider but thats the outlier and it still runs at 50+ at worst, Plus i have plans to grab a zen+ chip if its a big enough upgrade, If not ill wait till zen2 or ice lake and decide then if im going to bother. Now my laptop on the other hand is intel i7 all the way, Unless the ryzen mobile chips can take a steaming dump on intel for heat generation or power draw im in no hurry to upgrade that system.
Brian can you please do a video on deliding the i7 8700k for us. Showing the various liquid metals that are available and the best method to apply it. Thanks mate keep up the great videos.
I was considering it a serious option for when I start my first build...before you mentioned the power draw compared to an 1800X. My electricity bill has already doubled this year. I *want* good gaming performance, but I *need* power efficiency! Already considering spending the extra $ on liquid cooling for it's apparent overall efficiency gains. I can stand to sacrifice a few fps for a lower power draw, if necessary.
Thank you for the very informative video! I loved your format as well. You don't pull B.S like waiting to show what really matters to some of us statistics at the beginning of the video rather than at the end. Premium content. Subbed now!
in my country for intel i7 8700k for 468$ MSI Z370 Gaming Plus 200$ MSI Z370 PC Pro 185$ (cheapest one) for amd Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X 170$ Ryzen R7 1700 318$ ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 122$
There are no IPC gains for Coffee Lake. I say we wait for something better. I can feel 2019 would be the year of great competition. Ice Lake vs Zen 2 and Navi vs Volta (though Volta will be 1 year early, again)
Ryzen 2 coming out early next year I think Too much waiting. Either coffee lake or Ryzen or at MOST waiting for Ryzen 2 if it even gets released apparently Feb 2018
Thanks for this Brian, would love to see how Ram Speed affects gaming performance with that 5ghz overclock. 7700k @5ghz with 3600mhz ram seems to be where performance flattens out. I think the 8700k@5ghz with 4.5ghz uncore and DDR4 4000mhz ram would be untouchable in gaming.
Thanks Bryan, with the 8700K this might be the only reason to go back to Intel bit will be about $100.00 more expensive than the 1600X but performs better over all
Coffee Late. Ryzen reigns everywhere. It's available for purchase, cheaper mobos, soldered IHS, great value and performance. This is just Intel and their dirty marketing dept leapfrogging the new king AMD
Coffee Lake was a fake launch checking with retailers in my area (Canada) they say don't expect reliable part supplies until just before Christmas. Smart move on Intels part to slow down Ryzen sales.
In the passed year, we've seen Kaby Lake, Ryzen, Skylake-X, Treadripper, and now Coffee Lake. I don't really care who's on top, we ALL won this year as consumers. Man, what a time to be alive. Thank goodness AMD came and knocked Intel of it's high horse. If they didn't, Intel would still be feeding us quad cores.
Intel ought to do a test. Sell the 8700K with the toothpaste, and one called something like the 8702K with a soldered IHS, and price it at whatever premium they need to, in order to get the extra manufacturing costs back. Then they can watch the 8700K stay on the shelves and the 8702K sell out everywhere.
Thanks for this review. Just for ryzen cpu, very low latency ram are helping quite a lot at 1080p gaming benchmarks...however it's really changing anything at 1440p or 2160p. Icy lake with 8/16 cores will be awesome...next year...:)
They will come sporadically in stock I am told. Not turning on gaming mode for the 1950x as I believe it is pointless to restart the computer two times to shift between modes - eliminates the purpose of the time savings saved in the productivity benchmarks that threadripper gives.
1:58 Imagine if Ryzen could OC to 4.5GHz. 1800X would be 8700K levels and 1950X would be insane! Programs like Adobe Premier love both clock speeds and core count. Combine the two you get fast rendering times.
8700k 5.0@1.30v VLLC Turbo, Aorus Gaming 7 z370. Nice temps, stable as a MOFO! FTW $299 - 30 bundle, $269.99 TODAY Black friday! LOVE IT gaming 7 mobo was 162$ open box. FTW
At least delid only saved 10c but Intel still needs to wake up and solder so we don't have to void are warranty's. Zen 2 will probably be my next cpu unless cannon lake brings back soldering or the performance is just a monster we will see
Great video thank you Sir. Yes this 8700K is a great CPU for sure and over clocks like a champ once you delidd it. As for the Ryzens as others have said it is not the CPU IPC that is the problem it is the lack of MHz beyond 4GHz-4.1GHz range. If Ryzen+ can get to 4.4GHz-4.5GHz stock boost speeds. Then I see no problem getting OC's to 4.5Ghz-4.6GHz. This will not get AMD to that holy grail of an over clocked 7700K or 8700K when they are over clocked to 5GHz but it sure would close the gap to the point that even myself would be willing to finally buy a Ryzen+ CPU since it would fianlly be faster than my over clocked i7 2700K@5.1GHz in games if a Ryzen 7 was able to even reach 4.5GHz on all cores.
"more performance for only $30 more" Just remember for anyone not upgrading there is a hidden cost in buying a cooler. This cost has been there for a few generations of K model processors.
Doesn't do much for 4k gaming unfortunately.. and the upgrade price isn't true, the MOBO cost has to be added too.. I've got both and paired with a MSI 1080 TI Lightning, I get a 1-2 fps diff.. and usually the 7700K @ 5ghz wins at most avg FPS marks.. I only picked it up because I needed a second gaming PC for my work apartment. (I don't like trudging around a desktop every few weeks from place to place.) For a new build, it's very good though. Intel are being consistent and keeping up the pace for making good gaming CPUs.
Im using a i7 5820k and i have no intention to change. Intel should of release a 6 core 12 thread cpu for mainstream a lot ealier. It should of been introduced in the z170 motherboard
When you say GTA V is not a competitive game, what do you mean exactly? While there hasn't been any money at stake, I've played a lot of competitive races, and watched endless streams of huge racing competitions in GTA Online. The racing community was one of the biggest draws for GTA V. There are large UA-cam and Twitch channels dedicated to racing in GTA Online. It's a great community.
Is it worth upgrading from my current system to get the 8700 P9x79 mobo Xeon 1650v2 oc @4,5ghz cooled by a h100v2 16gigs of 2400mhz quad channel ram Gtx 1070
It's the most competitive CPU in the CoL lineup in terms of utility. R7 level productivity, and i7 level gaming performance. If you didn't mind it's faults and you had the money and needs, it's a very good buy. But because of its availability, thermals, locked down platform, and price, I personally wouldn't buy it. Ryzen may not give me the best gaming performance, but it's still very good, especially for my needs, and it's a better value too. There's also the issue that is Cannon Lake, which could very well come out by the time the 8700K is widely available at MSRP next year.
If your having trouble with oc Brian maybe u are using a strix board the z370 strix has huge problem with vdroop atm !! Try a different board sure u already have? Just been read most ppl getting 5ghz easy !? While I agree get rid of the thermal paste intel
I’d get one the problem is it really worth the upgrade from a i7 6700K? If it was in stock yes. For the work I do I need more cores. I like Ryzen, but ONLY if Intel would allow users to keep the same CPU on the same socket that would be great. Rather than making a entire new socket. (Cough Cough) LGA 1151v2.
It feels like they could have gone with 8core 16 threads with the same single thread performance if they wanted too. They just didn't need to release it and are just keeping it under hat in case AMD responds.
As a fellow DOTA 2 player, which you recommend processor for DOTA 2? In terms of smoothness like no stuttering even in heavy teamfight ? Ryzen or Intel ? Thanks Bryan !
Mce off plz or you sure b and h boards will suport it, if not, non k will be nonsense, also show us temps plz mykeyyyyyyy, or its boost will be 322mhz and temps will be over 9thousadz
6 cores 12 threads and Intel IPC for a ryzen price damn you Intel killing your own processor lineup again lol all we need now is a cheaper motherboard or possibly an ITX
Hey guys, i have a large budget to upgrade my pc and i will be spending it on the 8700k ram and a motherboard. my budget is around £1000 for this upgrade and i don't know what motherboard to get, I do intend on deliding this cpu and overclocking. PS: Will a h100i be enough for a 5gz delid?
its because i have a dual titan x pascal setup, with a 4790k (which mine has a very low oc range with out cooking it) and im not utilising as much power as i hoped for, due to my cpu bottleneck
I need some serious help. I'm looking to upgrade my work PC to current gen hardware but don't know if I should go for clock speed or core count. I will not be gaming strictly working. Mainly massive data mining with humongous spreadsheets. Lots of vba macros and vlookups across multiple sheets. Anything else I do on it will be basic but these tasks take loads of time now and i need to know should I target high clocks (8700k) or high cores (threadripper)
Nope, you dont have to delid. You will still get great performance out of it. If you absolutely need it to be 5.0 ghz then buy one off Silicon lottery that gives a 1 year warranty.
is my e5645 still relevant in 2017? Guess so, cause 950 points in Cinebench r15. Just dont get all the hype over new CPUs like ryzen and the new i series if they barely better then my 7 y.o cpu
I buy this cpu purely for factorio :) (plus very low latency ram at 3466 CL 15 I believe ) but I could do the same on a 6700k and 7700k But I have a ryzen 1800x at the moment so I am fine with that, even though it's sub optimal for that only one game, every thing else I do on the pc and all other games are fine, just factorio is very heavy on ram controller and it's speed/timings and cpu clock I not got around to buying a new video card yet so I am very gpu bound
The Ryzen 5 1400 will do 60 FPS just fine in PUBG, but probably not while streaming, for that I would go with at least a Ryzen 5 1600, preferably 1700.
Could you perhaps do some filming in say 30fps, 60fps and 120fps then play them to random people and see if there is any notable difference? I mean I don't think I have ever seen anyone try to show the difference especially when high refresh rate panels are so expensive. It also interests me for filming crap too.
Hey Ben, can drop that in the future idea box (when I get some time), but I deliberately film at 30 fps rather than 60, as I don't like the 'look' vs 30 for subject and product shooting. For gaming though 60+ is a minimum.
Strange all reviewers seem to got good cpu’s.... mine needs 1.45v to run at 5Ghz i see only reviewers with 1.30 or less.... Intel sent only the good ones to reviewers, so it seems. I delidded it so for temps it is no problem but it is really annoying that all reviewers can overclock to 5Ghz in 1.25-1.30 volts while i can not get the voltage under 1.45..
Talking about BS: didn't Tech City Yes recommend buying the GTX 1070 over the RX Vega 56 e.g. buying the slower 9% (Stock) to 27% (OC) slower GPU! Now, he's telling us to spend a tonne of money buying the more expensive CPU/Motherboard/Cooling option. Don't understand the theme to these reviews, is it faster better at any cost or is it value for money?
Hey Balb, I would take a 1070 over a vega 56 at the time I reviewed them, I can go back and recheck the results with newly release drivers, but overclocked the vega 56 is going to be hard to keep under wraps (it used up a BUCKET load more power, hence why the 1070 recommendation). As for the 8700k, I am saying it's the best performer for most desktop users, but not the best price performance for some things of course, hence why the ryzen 5 1600 was a strong point of this video.
Most people are using undervolt of 1030mv on P6 and P7 and letting GPU boost get an additional 9% performance and leaving the fan curve between 400rpm to 3000rpm with plus 50% powertune and 900mhz on the HBM2 (though Steve at Hardware Unboxed needed 1070mv on his early sample). Uses about 223watts from the wall and keeps at a acceptable noise level when gaming. But, with so many new games coming over the next few weeks: releases in the last 7 days: Forza 7; The Evil Within 2; Shadow of War, there is little point rerunning those older games, because FPS benchmarks in the new games are showing in RX Vega's favour.
I find it funny that people still think Intel is being "cheap" with the TIM. I will agree that they are controlling the purchasers, but they are using this TIM on purpose. It's simply to control overclocking, ironically on the K chips, forcing you to void the warranty and Intel responsibility by delidding. You could pay more to Intel for their OC warranty and run the chip @90+, but that's a one shot replacement only and not a good option. Yes, they have us by the short hairs, and they have the processors that allow them to not let go. AMD is the alternative, and you can just smile and be happy with the "just good" frame rates. Cheers!
could you help me out? In all of my games anti aliasing just doesn’t work or doesn’t help much I don’t know what to do nothing in the amd software changes anything except vsr 4K but I can’t run that in all my games with a rx 480.
Wait for Skylake they say, Wait for Ryzen they say. Wait for Coffee lake they say. Wait for Zen+ they say... When will someone eventually get it right?
LucAU I could wait forever for the "next" best thing, but decided to build a Ryzen 1700X system 6 months ago. I've used it for 6 months now, do light gaming, but far more video editing in UHD 4K for 6 months. Yeah, I can wait and wait and wait, but look what I have missed.... wonder how much difference is noticeable if you didn't know which system you were using...
I don't think reviewers should be de-lidding their cpu's. It colors the review in a way that forgives intel's flaws unduly. We, as consumers, should demand more from a company asking for our money.
they should do out the box tests then de-lid tests
Interrobang Absolutely right!
To delid or speak of it in the review is like mincing the main course with dessert. As good as the dessert may be, it tastes best after the main course.
Thank you for being the only one to include the competitive games!
No worries man, I love competitive gaming, even though I am all washed up, I will always focus parts of the review to competitive gamers.
And GTA 5! That is the only game I refer to (it is my favourite) to compare performance. Love HWUB channel but no GTA 5 in the benchmarks now was big disappointment. That game still pushes my setup to the limit when everything is cranked up....
For now at least, I will stick with my Ryzen platform. I have an RX 480, not a 1080 ti, so there's literally no gain for me between the two cpus. Not to mention, the Ryzen platform cost me a solid $200 dollars less for the same number of cores. But honestly, I'd rather support the underdog, because if it weren't for AMD, you would still have 4 core flagship processors for who knows how long.
This. And when zen+ comes, it'll hopefully offer better IPC and frequencies to match the coffee lake series.
Ya you can just go ahead and sell that outdated first gen CPU to all those people that will be banging on your door to buy it. Or you could have simply bought the Intel chip the first time around and had the best performance out of the box. To each their own.
Talon's Tech Talk best performance, as in overheating and greater power consumption?!? How is Intel the best, cause clearly it's not!
Talon's Tech Talk
Feeling insecure about some Intel purchase decisions, are we?
Nah brother love my 8700K, and watching Brian's video here its clearly obvious that it's the BEST cpu for gaming and streaming which are my needs. It's not even close in many of those games he looked at. I game at 144hz 1440p and I need as many FPS as possible to render as close to 144hz so CPU horsepower is needed. Ryzen is just inadequate when it comes to high fps gaming.
despite all the merits of the chip, there still remains the one biggest issue that stops me from recommending it to anyone.
> You have to delid it to get the performance worthy of calling it a flagship i7 (albeit consumer grade).
If you don't delid, you're stuck spending money on an expensive AIO or watercooling which won't even help much, since the TIM-IHS layer is what's limiting your thermal performance.
"You have to delid it to get the performance worthy of calling it a flagship i7" ... what are you chatting about dude?? At stock clocks this is the fastest most powerful consumer grade i7 on the market, lol :D
And at stock clocks, putting this chip into a stress test loop will sometimes cause it to overheat, depending on your luck with the TIM+IHS.
It's not that it's a BAD chip...it's a GREAT chip, but the failure of Intel to invest a couple of cents into soldering the damn thing together instead of cheaping out on paste makes it a terrible recommendation for anyone who wants to push it to its limits, like an unlocked, K-SKU chip is meant.
not really you can ran it at 4.8ghz with a 212 evo no problem and it still destroys any other cpu in gaming(except the 8600k which can be ran at the same clocks at lower temps)
TechGoat at stock clocks it's not the best as the Ryzen 1800x@4 GHz beats it...
Trieste08 Many reviewers said that running 4.8-4.9 easily can be achieved and temps are decent in air cooler! Unless you go higher like 5.0-5.2 then you need AIO 240mm or higher! Otherwise air cooler is sufficient!
Brian thank you for being totally honest in this review. I saw huge gains in games compared to my overclocked 5820K at 4.5Ghz. PUBG with my 8700K saw some amazing gains.
BIG ..BIG ..BIG thanks @Tech YES City For taking the time to get a DAW benchMark!!!!!!
I love games just like the next guy/girl...but having a DAW benchmark made me push that subscribe button. I wish more reviewer would include DAW's in there test.
Why is it that its always YOU to answer my questions about this topic! Much love from Portugal keep the good work Bry!!!
Oh by the way, if i dont want to overclock it, do you think i should get a non k version or go with 1700 ryzen?
If you dont' want to overclock then yeah don't bother getting a K, though 1700 you will want to definitely overclock that! Huge performance gains to be had!
Looks decent compared to the more expensive Intel options, if only it were in stock :P
Jarrod'sTech I'm on a waiting list for a delidded overclocked one.
Go to siliconlottery.com and put your info in.
Joe Momma for most of us paying $400-500 for an i7 is kinda stupid....the kaby lake cpus or even waiting for a normal coffee lake cpu are better, Hell even ryzen sans any stock of coffee lake is a good buy and when they drop ryzen down to $150-250 to compeat with coffee lake they will still be a better budget workstation build.
Honestly the hierarchy goes
Threadripper for workstation
Skylake for high end gaming and upper midrange lower high end workstation.
Kaby lake for mid end gaming.
Ryzen for mid to low end workstation amd gaming.
Of course because most places ive seen are saying late december to early january at BEST for coffee lake by the time it comes out zen+ will be just around the corner so we will see how that shakes out, I am hopeing for a 4.5 to 4.6 overclock and a 1 to 5% ipc boost from refinements in bios and manufactureing which would put ryzen back where it was post coffee lake I.E a better workstation choice and still a good gaming choice with intel as always being the max fps queen.
Arctic Fox
For me, Ryzen is out of the question. I am looking for max FPS and it just doesn't deliver. The only CPU I'm interested in is the 8700k delidded and overclocked. $400-$500 is worth it for me.
Joe Momma its your choice mate i just cant find it worth the extra money to buy one of those at those prices, I would rather get a 1080ti.
That said my ryzen 1600x has never dropped under 60fps at 144hz in any game i play and ive had it since 2 days after it came out so i am happy
David Ledbetter depends on the game, I play a mix of AAA titles like Prey, Doom, fallout 4 ect, But i also do a lot of titles that dont do 4k very well and run better at 1080p or even 720p (think mechwarrior 4, the old monkey island games ect).
Im not sure my pc even with a 1080ti could use 240hz but i cant tell the diffrence between 144 and 240 so im not concerned as my ryzen 1600x with a 4.1 OC and 1080 does more then well enough to run at 60fps+ in most games at 4k, Only game i have that really shits on it is rise of the tomb raider but thats the outlier and it still runs at 50+ at worst, Plus i have plans to grab a zen+ chip if its a big enough upgrade, If not ill wait till zen2 or ice lake and decide then if im going to bother.
Now my laptop on the other hand is intel i7 all the way, Unless the ryzen mobile chips can take a steaming dump on intel for heat generation or power draw im in no hurry to upgrade that system.
Idk why you been getting less views. I think you deserve way more. Really good effort and hard work
Brian can you please do a video on deliding the i7 8700k for us. Showing the various liquid metals that are available and the best method to apply it. Thanks mate keep up the great videos.
I was considering it a serious option for when I start my first build...before you mentioned the power draw compared to an 1800X. My electricity bill has already doubled this year. I *want* good gaming performance, but I *need* power efficiency! Already considering spending the extra $ on liquid cooling for it's apparent overall efficiency gains. I can stand to sacrifice a few fps for a lower power draw, if necessary.
I remember when AsRock were uber budget and built cheaply. Now I'm considering them for my next board.
Thank you for the very informative video! I loved your format as well. You don't pull B.S like waiting to show what really matters to some of us statistics at the beginning of the video rather than at the end. Premium content. Subbed now!
in my country
for intel
i7 8700k for 468$
MSI Z370 Gaming Plus 200$
MSI Z370 PC Pro 185$ (cheapest one)
for amd
Asrock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X 170$
Ryzen R7 1700 318$
ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 122$
There are no IPC gains for Coffee Lake. I say we wait for something better. I can feel 2019 would be the year of great competition. Ice Lake vs Zen 2 and Navi vs Volta (though Volta will be 1 year early, again)
Vanguardas Vucava Z390 mobos for ice lake
I don't want to waste my life waiting. I buy 8700K because it's the best gaming CPU and Ryzen refresh won't change this.
Ryzen 2 coming out early next year I think
Too much waiting. Either coffee lake or Ryzen or at MOST waiting for Ryzen 2 if it even gets released apparently Feb 2018
Yes ice lake come 8c/16t with ipc gain in z390
Drasyte yeah man
I have already recomennded this CPU for my brother and a friend. Both have high refresh monitors and a GTX 1080 Ti.
Thanks for this Brian, would love to see how Ram Speed affects gaming performance with that 5ghz overclock. 7700k @5ghz with 3600mhz ram seems to be where performance flattens out. I think the 8700k@5ghz with 4.5ghz uncore and DDR4 4000mhz ram would be untouchable in gaming.
mmmm...coffee :) what is with the Audio Caps on the board? did they get mangled?
The caps cowered away in fear when they saw the 8700k lay waste in the asrock battlegrounds.
....and they only had a 12 gauge and a fry pan.... lol
True, as electronics engineer enthusiast/hobbyst its unacceptable for me to put caps like that...
Thanks Bryan, with the 8700K this might be the only reason to go back to Intel bit will be about $100.00 more expensive than the 1600X but performs better over all
Got this stable at 5ghz today after delid. Great little cpu!
The music is perfect for this. It dosen't really matter.
Coffee Late. Ryzen reigns everywhere. It's available for purchase, cheaper mobos, soldered IHS, great value and performance. This is just Intel and their dirty marketing dept leapfrogging the new king AMD
Coffee Lake was a fake launch checking with retailers in my area (Canada) they say don't expect reliable part supplies until just before Christmas. Smart move on Intels part to slow down Ryzen sales.
Are the sound caps supposed to be like that @1:25?
lol i probably bent them while i was man handling the boards, still work 100% :D
In the passed year, we've seen Kaby Lake, Ryzen, Skylake-X, Treadripper, and now Coffee Lake. I don't really care who's on top, we ALL won this year as consumers. Man, what a time to be alive. Thank goodness AMD came and knocked Intel of it's high horse. If they didn't, Intel would still be feeding us quad cores.
its hard to say who i prefer, all i know is the way games are built is gonna change and hopefully they'll start using more cores
I wasn't sure, but when you said "extremely snappy"... I was sure
Intel ought to do a test. Sell the 8700K with the toothpaste, and one called something like the 8702K with a soldered IHS, and price it at whatever premium they need to, in order to get the extra manufacturing costs back. Then they can watch the 8700K stay on the shelves and the 8702K sell out everywhere.
Thanks for this review. Just for ryzen cpu, very low latency ram are helping quite a lot at 1080p gaming benchmarks...however it's really changing anything at 1440p or 2160p. Icy lake with 8/16 cores will be awesome...next year...:)
you can remove the fps cap in pubg by adding a few lines in the cfg file.You can easily find a how to guide on google
So in order to buy one of these,you need to preorder,right?
By the way,why not turn on the legacy mode for the 1950X?Thats unfair.
They will come sporadically in stock I am told. Not turning on gaming mode for the 1950x as I believe it is pointless to restart the computer two times to shift between modes - eliminates the purpose of the time savings saved in the productivity benchmarks that threadripper gives.
Because that essentially makes it a standard Ryzen and Ryzen numbers are already in the charts.
1:58 Imagine if Ryzen could OC to 4.5GHz. 1800X would be 8700K levels and 1950X would be insane! Programs like Adobe Premier love both clock speeds and core count. Combine the two you get fast rendering times.
8700k 5.0@1.30v VLLC Turbo, Aorus Gaming 7 z370. Nice temps, stable as a MOFO! FTW $299 - 30 bundle, $269.99 TODAY Black friday! LOVE IT gaming 7 mobo was 162$ open box. FTW
Bryan, if you put this command in the Engine.ini in the appdata, you can remove the hardlock in PUBG.
[/Script/TslGame.TslEngine]
FrameRateCap=0
yay! Its a workstation 12 thread cpu 😍
The YES Man striked again ;)
What graphics card were you using for these benchmarks? I just bought a I7 8700K and a ASUS STRIX RX 570 I hope they like each other. lol
And I am just chilling (literally) with my i5 7600k at 4.5 GHz at around 60°C on load air cooled by the Cryorig H7 👍
The software wasn't reading wrong. The BIOS was messed up. Should be fixed for Asrock as of yesterday.
Sticking with my i7 4790k stock 4.0ghz cpu a little longer. Because once I upgrade I need to buy more memory.
At least delid only saved 10c but Intel still needs to wake up and solder so we don't have to void are warranty's. Zen 2 will probably be my next cpu unless cannon lake brings back soldering or the performance is just a monster we will see
Good video Brian
The most powerful gaming CPU that no one can find on the market.
Too bad. I got mine on the 5th on launch day.
Archie Wei 7740X is the fastest
LOL no. The 8700K is the king. Honestly all low end x299 is pointless after this release. It makes no sense, and was a DOA chipset and board.
Great video thank you Sir.
Yes this 8700K is a great CPU for sure and over clocks like a champ once you delidd it. As for the Ryzens as others have said it is not the CPU IPC that is the problem it is the lack of MHz beyond 4GHz-4.1GHz range. If Ryzen+ can get to 4.4GHz-4.5GHz stock boost speeds. Then I see no problem getting OC's to 4.5Ghz-4.6GHz. This will not get AMD to that holy grail of an over clocked 7700K or 8700K when they are over clocked to 5GHz but it sure would close the gap to the point that even myself would be willing to finally buy a Ryzen+ CPU since it would fianlly be faster than my over clocked i7 2700K@5.1GHz in games if a Ryzen 7 was able to even reach 4.5GHz on all cores.
i would buy one, had i not just upgraded to ryzen 1600 very recently, oh well.
"more performance for only $30 more" Just remember for anyone not upgrading there is a hidden cost in buying a cooler. This cost has been there for a few generations of K model processors.
Doesn't do much for 4k gaming unfortunately.. and the upgrade price isn't true, the MOBO cost has to be added too.. I've got both and paired with a MSI 1080 TI Lightning, I get a 1-2 fps diff.. and usually the 7700K @ 5ghz wins at most avg FPS marks.. I only picked it up because I needed a second gaming PC for my work apartment. (I don't like trudging around a desktop every few weeks from place to place.) For a new build, it's very good though. Intel are being consistent and keeping up the pace for making good gaming CPUs.
Im using a i7 5820k and i have no intention to change. Intel should of release a 6 core 12 thread cpu for mainstream a lot ealier. It should of been introduced in the z170 motherboard
8700K slams 5820K. Outdated as fuck.
dr. whet farts you have 8700k?
When you say GTA V is not a competitive game, what do you mean exactly? While there hasn't been any money at stake, I've played a lot of competitive races, and watched endless streams of huge racing competitions in GTA Online. The racing community was one of the biggest draws for GTA V. There are large UA-cam and Twitch channels dedicated to racing in GTA Online. It's a great community.
Lovely video. Thanks!!
That Mobo wow. They sent you a RMA.
Is it worth upgrading from my current system to get the 8700
P9x79 mobo
Xeon 1650v2 oc @4,5ghz cooled by a h100v2
16gigs of 2400mhz quad channel ram
Gtx 1070
BRIAN im concerned about the delid mod thermal liquid metal is having issues we need some investigating
Wow surprising that i7 7700K won vs i7 8700K in some programs :D how is that possible?
Sandra M I thought that, but I realised lower score is better for some programs, because some of the score is time to complete.
still sitting on a 6700k, I think I'll wait for the 9700k
Can you test Ark Survival with the 8700k No benchmarks currently exist for the game using this processor.
It's the most competitive CPU in the CoL lineup in terms of utility. R7 level productivity, and i7 level gaming performance. If you didn't mind it's faults and you had the money and needs, it's a very good buy.
But because of its availability, thermals, locked down platform, and price, I personally wouldn't buy it. Ryzen may not give me the best gaming performance, but it's still very good, especially for my needs, and it's a better value too.
There's also the issue that is Cannon Lake, which could very well come out by the time the 8700K is widely available at MSRP next year.
As the song says, "It doesn't really matter" >_
If your having trouble with oc Brian maybe u are using a strix board the z370 strix has huge problem with vdroop atm !! Try a different board sure u already have? Just been read most ppl getting 5ghz easy !? While I agree get rid of the thermal paste intel
It's been fixed today. BIOS update released.
What OSD are you using to display CPU and GPU info?
Would love upgrading to i7 8700k for even more fps in csgo but my i7 4790k at 4,6ghz says no :d
I’d get one the problem is it really worth the upgrade from a i7 6700K? If it was in stock yes. For the work I do I need more cores. I like Ryzen, but ONLY if Intel would allow users to keep the same CPU on the same socket that would be great. Rather than making a entire new socket. (Cough Cough) LGA 1151v2.
So... got any unlidded benchmarks for comparison? Most people are a lot more unlikely to break open the lid on an Intel than overclock out of the box.
It failed at 5ghz and hit 93c, I would say it would be happy at 4.8ghz with the lid on.
It feels like they could have gone with 8core 16 threads with the same single thread performance if they wanted too. They just didn't need to release it and are just keeping it under hat in case AMD responds.
When AMD drops Ryzen+ early next year Intel will drop the 8 core 16 thread new Cpu to combat it.
As a fellow DOTA 2 player, which you recommend processor for DOTA 2? In terms of smoothness like no stuttering even in heavy teamfight ? Ryzen or Intel ? Thanks Bryan !
I have tested the 8400 already, its amazing, will do an apples to apples soon with that an the 8600k, so stay tuned for that.
Mce off plz or you sure b and h boards will suport it, if not, non k will be nonsense, also show us temps plz mykeyyyyyyy, or its boost will be 322mhz and temps will be over 9thousadz
6 cores 12 threads and Intel IPC for a ryzen price damn you Intel killing your own processor lineup again lol all we need now is a cheaper motherboard or possibly an ITX
Ask and though shalt receive www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007627%20601304476%20600009028
Indeed as an 7820x buyer i feel the pain in the ass. I bought a delidded one so i can oc it but yeah.
What will be the best cpu for 100$ and 200$ budget?
I'll stay with my 4790 for now, it works perfect with my 980 ti.
Why can't the CPU be packaged already delidded ;)
That would be cool
There actually is a shop in germany that sells delidded cpu's right off the bat. (caseking)
Hey guys, i have a large budget to upgrade my pc and i will be spending it on the 8700k ram and a motherboard. my budget is around £1000 for this upgrade and i don't know what motherboard to get, I do intend on deliding this cpu and overclocking. PS: Will a h100i be enough for a 5gz delid?
MSI Z370 Godlike
its because i have a dual titan x pascal setup, with a 4790k (which mine has a very low oc range with out cooking it) and im not utilising as much power as i hoped for, due to my cpu bottleneck
yeah, as i render alot of videos in 4k, this will be handy :D Thanks!
I need some serious help. I'm looking to upgrade my work PC to current gen hardware but don't know if I should go for clock speed or core count. I will not be gaming strictly working. Mainly massive data mining with humongous spreadsheets. Lots of vba macros and vlookups across multiple sheets. Anything else I do on it will be basic but these tasks take loads of time now and i need to know should I target high clocks (8700k) or high cores (threadripper)
what does "High/Low Graphics" mean for CS:GO?
also 674fps is insane
I have a 5820k @ 4.7GHz and it kills everything
nice soundtrack btw...
Tech Yes City would you please make a how to delid video when the 8700k is in stock. Thanks :)
Check out my twitter. posted a video there!
I want. But I'll settle for the 8600k... Lol
What delid tool do you use?
Do people really need to sacrifice warranty just to make it a better processor?
Nope, you dont have to delid. You will still get great performance out of it. If you absolutely need it to be 5.0 ghz then buy one off Silicon lottery that gives a 1 year warranty.
you had to de-lid?
is my e5645 still relevant in 2017? Guess so, cause 950 points in Cinebench r15. Just dont get all the hype over new CPUs like ryzen and the new i series if they barely better then my 7 y.o cpu
do we really have to oc it to 5gz ? my base clock is at 3.7 can i do it on 4 ghz so no over heating issues? or may be 4.2? any idea
I am going to buy a 1080 Ti , what would you prefer - a WQHD 144Hz G-Sync Screen or a 4K 60 Hz ? Thx for any help:)
GTA5Couple gsync no doubt.
But then again, if you're looking at adaptive sync monitor you could also consider Rx Vega + freesync
if the 8 core 16t intel cpu coming up is this good ill get that. assuming it has good thermal paste
Which motherboard is best
I7 8th gen
I buy this cpu purely for factorio :) (plus very low latency ram at 3466 CL 15 I believe ) but I could do the same on a 6700k and 7700k
But I have a ryzen 1800x at the moment so I am fine with that, even though it's sub optimal for that only one game, every thing else I do on the pc and all other games are fine, just factorio is very heavy on ram controller and it's speed/timings and cpu clock
I not got around to buying a new video card yet so I am very gpu bound
Witcher 3 benchmarks please
Do you think ryzen 1400, gtx 1060 6gb and 16 gb of ram would let me stream/edit pubg at 60 min? Thx
nazi solider yes
+James Brophy why 4k stream low settings would run at 60fps just not sure how much streaming is gonna suck up
+Jeremy R why not a 1600 6 cores?
The Ryzen 5 1400 will do 60 FPS just fine in PUBG, but probably not while streaming, for that I would go with at least a Ryzen 5 1600, preferably 1700.
Could you perhaps do some filming in say 30fps, 60fps and 120fps then play them to random people and see if there is any notable difference? I mean I don't think I have ever seen anyone try to show the difference especially when high refresh rate panels are so expensive. It also interests me for filming crap too.
Hey Ben, can drop that in the future idea box (when I get some time), but I deliberately film at 30 fps rather than 60, as I don't like the 'look' vs 30 for subject and product shooting. For gaming though 60+ is a minimum.
Ben Carter I think it was LTT who did that. They had people play Minecraft at 15, 30, 60, and 120fps.
I wouldn't think you would notice with Minecraft. Also Linus... not exactly in debt reviews or tests.
Strange all reviewers seem to got good cpu’s.... mine needs 1.45v to run at 5Ghz i see only reviewers with 1.30 or less....
Intel sent only the good ones to reviewers, so it seems.
I delidded it so for temps it is no problem but it is really annoying that all reviewers can overclock to 5Ghz in 1.25-1.30 volts while i can not get the voltage under 1.45..
I've got 4790 with GTX 1060. Should I buy 8790K or 8790 ?
Not worth it. Your 4790 is still awesome and definitely not bottlenecking the 1060. I would wait.
Thanks
Careful with the graphs, Hardware Unboxed might loose their jobs.
Talking about BS: didn't Tech City Yes recommend buying the GTX 1070 over the RX Vega 56 e.g. buying the slower 9% (Stock) to 27% (OC) slower GPU! Now, he's telling us to spend a tonne of money buying the more expensive CPU/Motherboard/Cooling option. Don't understand the theme to these reviews, is it faster better at any cost or is it value for money?
Hey Balb, I would take a 1070 over a vega 56 at the time I reviewed them, I can go back and recheck the results with newly release drivers, but overclocked the vega 56 is going to be hard to keep under wraps (it used up a BUCKET load more power, hence why the 1070 recommendation). As for the 8700k, I am saying it's the best performer for most desktop users, but not the best price performance for some things of course, hence why the ryzen 5 1600 was a strong point of this video.
Most people are using undervolt of 1030mv on P6 and P7 and letting GPU boost get an additional 9% performance and leaving the fan curve between 400rpm to 3000rpm with plus 50% powertune and 900mhz on the HBM2 (though Steve at Hardware Unboxed needed 1070mv on his early sample). Uses about 223watts from the wall and keeps at a acceptable noise level when gaming. But, with so many new games coming over the next few weeks: releases in the last 7 days: Forza 7; The Evil Within 2; Shadow of War, there is little point rerunning those older games, because FPS benchmarks in the new games are showing in RX Vega's favour.
I find it funny that people still think Intel is being "cheap" with the TIM. I will agree that they are controlling the purchasers, but they are using this TIM on purpose. It's simply to control overclocking, ironically on the K chips, forcing you to void the warranty and Intel responsibility by delidding. You could pay more to Intel for their OC warranty and run the chip @90+, but that's a one shot replacement only and not a good option. Yes, they have us by the short hairs, and they have the processors that allow them to not let go. AMD is the alternative, and you can just smile and be happy with the "just good" frame rates. Cheers!
Steve? What chair is that? :P
Not sure, I will have to go ask Bryan over at Hardware Unboxed.
Tech YES City OMG I meant Bryan arhhhh! Nooooooooooo!
So 8700K > 7900X? Tasks: Rendering/1 PC Setup Stream/Recording......or do i Need more than 6 Cores?
Help me :D
With Adobe I would go the 8700k.
Thank u :)
Make a parts hunting video in the philippines haha
Still on 5775c 4K baby 4K 1080ti
let me ask the real question here: what is your MMR in Dota2?
could you help me out? In all of my games anti aliasing just doesn’t work or doesn’t help much I don’t know what to do nothing in the amd software changes anything except vsr 4K but I can’t run that in all my games with a rx 480.
Wait for Skylake they say, Wait for Ryzen they say. Wait for Coffee lake they say. Wait for Zen+ they say...
When will someone eventually get it right?
LucAU I could wait forever for the "next" best thing, but decided to build a Ryzen 1700X system 6 months ago. I've used it for 6 months now, do light gaming, but far more video editing in UHD 4K for 6 months. Yeah, I can wait and wait and wait, but look what I have missed.... wonder how much difference is noticeable if you didn't know which system you were using...
Wait for Tigerlake
I got it right. Got a R5 1600 and I'm so happy with it.
LucAU wait for the fx6300 they say. Still rocking its thing. We'll see if handles star wars. So excited!
ARM man. 33+ cores. 😁