🎹Kawai ES920 vs Roland FP-90X Digital Piano Comparison - Feature Rich Flagship Digitals🎹
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Thanks for joining us here at the Merriam Pianos UA-cam channel! Today’s video has been heavily requested to say the least as we compare what are arguably the top two all-in-one portable digital pianos currently available - the Kawai ES920 and Roland FP90X.
Very different in what they offer musically, there’s no clear cut winner between this two, but hopefully this review will help guide you to determine which might be the better fit for you.
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Background:
While there is a several hundred dollar difference between these two pianos, with the FP90X being the more expensive of the two, there’s not a dramatic difference in price, and both are ultimately targeted at the same end-user.
Piano Sound:
The FP90X carries a 60 watt rating of power output, while the ES920 offers 40 watts, but even 40 watts is quite high for a portable instrument.
The FP90X is offering Roland’s brand new ‘PureAcoustic Modelling’ engine powered by their equally new BMC chip (also found in their LX series), while the ES920 offers Kawai’s Harmonic Imaging Engine XL engine.
Playing them side by side. The FP90X sounds very immediate and right in your face, while the ES920 sounds closer to what you would get as a player sitting behind an acoustic piano. There’s no right or wrong here, but these are interesting observations to note.
Our impression is that the FP90X would be more versatile for tracking, but those used to an acoustic piano experience might prefer the Kawai.
All of this said, both instruments offer quite a bit of control as far as manipulating the sound is concerned - Kawai’s Virtual Technician feature on the ES920, and Roland’s Piano Designer function on the FP90X - so both pianos are quite customizable to the users preferences.
Moving beyond the acoustic piano sound and into quantity of sounds, the FP90X boasts in excess of 300 sounds (though most are GM2), while the ES920 offers around 50 or so. This might not matter to some, but could be quite significant to others. The E pianos are superb on both instruments.
In terms of polyphony, the FP90X has limitless polyphony, and 256 notes for all other tones, while the ES920 has 256 notes across the board.
Both have an on-board equalizer which is a huge plus for real time playing, and the ES920 offers on-board auto accompaniment, whereas you need an app to access the auto accompaniment on the FP90X.
Piano Action:
There’s a pretty significant difference with regards to the actions these instruments are offering. The FP90X features the PHA50 wooden hybrid action, while the ES920 used Kawai’s Responsive Hammer III (RHIII) plastic action.
The RHIII is widely held as the top plastic action on the market and is even used by Nord for their top instruments, but the PHA50 undoubtedly has a durability advantage by virtue of it being made out of wood.
While the sensitivity is quite similar and both have a triple sensor and escapement, they ultimately feel quite different, so a player's preference will largely come down to playing style.
While we feel the RHIII is better for finesse playing, and the PHA50 is better for more heavy handed styles and trying professional gigging scenarios, your mileage may vary.
Summary:
More than any other difference, these instruments sound extremely distinct from one another, so if you can compare them in person, it would be quite beneficial. Other big differences include the weight difference, on-board accompaniment on the ES920, and a big difference in terms of the touch, as well as the speaker output. At the end of the day, these are two class leading options that pianists are frankly lucky to be able to choose from in 2021.
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wow, your ability to verbalize what you hear, your technical knowledge, as well as your sensitivity as a player is so welcome as i research current portable pianos. Thank you for this!
Hi Cameron! We're glad to hear that you're finding our vide reviews and comparisons helpful! Stu is not only an amazing pianist and musician, he is an excellent educator and that is clearly evident in the way he breaks things down in such an easy-to-understand manner. We are very lucky to have his many talents! :)
I've watched more than several of your reviews and i feel they are always good but, this one was exceptional.
I'll by watching you.
Finally watching this, and what a great comparison. I like the sound of the FP90x, but it's the Kawai for me. It just sounds more natural IMO (I suppose because it is).
It is your comment that makes me lead to the Kawai.
2:34 through 2:41. Decided. It’s the Kawai for me👏
I heard it too. Richer sound.
Definitely and unfair comparison, as the last part of the FP-90x is with the internal speakers, and the first part of the Kawai is line outs
Thanks for the Kawai 920 recommendation. I ordered mine yesterday on your word alone. I actually own a 1985 KG-2D in impeccable condition but my neighbors wouldn't appreciate it and it would take up the majority of my studio apartment. I was looking for the most acoustic feeling/sounding keyboard under 2 grand and it seems like this is one of the best. I had a CP300 for years but only used it for a few weddings and gigs. The action was so stiff and it weighed a ton. I'm very much looking forward to having a "piano" at my disposal once more. Thanks again, all the best.
You're very welcome! We're very happy to hear that the video reviews and comparisons have been helpful throughout your piano process. Congratulations on securing an ES920! They are fantastic digital pianos and one of the very best cost-to-value propositions on the market right now. You will be thrilled with what it offers musically. :)
Although I am a long-time user of Roland models, this time Kawai is the clear winner as far as I'm concerned, because it simply has a piano that sounds like the real thing. Great review Stu!
Thanks so much for tuning in! The Kawai ES920 is unquestionably a powerhouse piano! With that said, so is the Roland FP90X. The ideal situation is to have both available at your disposal. ;)
@@MerriamPianos That is what I'm thinking. I need to purchase both!
I agree. Loving the kawaii
I'm hearing shades of Purple Rain and Every Breath You Take. Nice.
He's literally playing Every Breath You Take.
@@robertmarr5664 I know, lol
I hear more texture and slight imperfections in the piano sound of the Kawai and that makes it more engaging in my opinion
I own an FP30. Listening to the FP-90X and the ES920, the lower range on the ES920 sounds more natural/acoustic, and the very top-end is definitely less harsh.
Definitely have to try them out in person, but this review was really informative. Thanks Merriam Music!
You're very welcome! Thanks for taking the time to tune in! We appreciate it. :)
The ES920 has a very warm and authentic tone. With that said the FP90X is also a power house. I would definitely advise stopping by a showroom to do some in-person comparisons between these two excellent all-in portable digital pianos.
I bought the ES920 about a month ago, after looking at endless online reviews and then trying out in the showroom. I'd say all digital pianos have different pluses and minuses but as a gigging musician (who's not getting any younger!), the weight was a big factor for me. I have to say I love the 920, really nice to play and great sounds, including the editable onboard effects which really allow you to shape the sounds how you want.
Have you connected a good quality speaker system with subwoofer?
Good to know. Thx
Yes, I'm trying to find and buy a ES920 now and agree with you. I have a Kawai MP6 Professional Stage Piano, hooked up to two 50W each KRK RP5G3 speakers, and I love its sound and power. There's nothing like the sound of quality external speakers that really make the MP6 sound like a true Grand Piano and other things. However, I am in the Philippines now, the MP6 is not with me, and looking for something LIGHT and portable -- thus the ES920, but I could only find ONE in the Philippines for $2,650 which is crazy. So the search is one again for something less.
What showroom did you go to
Got my ES920 and spent a month with it, it's soooo good. I spent like the whole day jumping from fp90x to es920 to yamaha, also comparing them to grand pianos. The sound in ES920 is just better. It's much more real on every instrument.
Another surprising thing I found is that the control panel on ES920 is self-sufficient. You don't need any app to play along for example. everything is accessible from the piano itself. It may seem like a minor thing but it's much easier to just sit and start goofing around.
I though about MP11SE instead of ES920 because of a superior action, but it turned out that the stage pianos don't produce sound by themselves and you also need to choose the monitors (dynamics) that can cost a lot.
MP11 DOES make its own sounds, but is also very popular as a controller.
I’m debating selling my p515 for es920, should I do it? I can’t find the es920 to try argh
@@marvinkmooneyoz I think he meens the MP11SE has no on board speakers🎹🎶
@@JitinMisra I doubt I'd do that, but I don't own either of these instruments. Please tell us what you don't like about the P-515. I tried the ES920 (quite nice) but I still prefer my P-255, which is the predecessor to the P-515. Each unto his own.
@@Zoco101 to me, p515 keys feel a bit springy. Like if they were attached to a spring (spiral? Excuse my English). I tried top Clavinovas from Yamaha and they clearly don’t have this springy effect in their action.
Unfortunately in my living area towns not any showroom with available multiple keyboards for trying playing/sounds listening... and available in showrooms was most cheaper Casios (not even considered), some scenes boards, etc.
As a result I did buying 4 (four) keyboards one by one and finally winner was Definitely Kawai es920.
Was trying: Roland FP-60X; Yamaha P-125A; Yamaha P-515; and finally this my Kawai ES920. Thank you for incredible detailed review/opinions.
You're welcome! Thank you for taking the time to tune in! Congrats on your Kawai ES920! It is a fantastic piano and one of the best cost-to-value ratios on the digital piano market right now. I am confident that you will be very pleased with what it offers musically. :)
My FP90X arrived last week. Wow, what a difference to the FP10 (which I thought was very good). The tone of the upgrade is so much better. I'm very pleased with it.
Congrats on your FP90X! It is an amazing piano! I know you'll be quite pleased with what it offers musically as you're already discovering. :)
Everything from the entry level keyboard to the shigeru sk ex Kawai is always the best value for money.
All I need to get me back to the Yamaha, is to watch you play for three minutes and I see I have al long way to go. Thanks for these videos. It's a great education and you're great at it. I'd like to see that show room of yours. Makes me wish Toronto was closer to Seattle. Great work. Cheers!
Thanks so much Jerry! We appreciate the kind words immensely! If you're ever in the Toronto area, please stop by! :)
If you grew up playing a small spinnet piano, then played a long grand piano, you would be amazed at all of the partial harmonics you now hear. Since the Roland model easily produces these, they probably want to show off the brighter sound. The Kawai has a much stronger midrange. Maybe the FP-90x can be adjusted to sound that way. Both of these are fine instruments.
Just a small additional observation. I especially really appreciated you description of the 'In the room sound of the Kawai' because that's exactly what I am looking for. I want to sit and play a piano with the nearest sound to an acoustic, with all crazy harmonics they produce. so I am really looking forward to trying both. THANKS AGAIN 😊
The Roland sounds brighter and more present; the Kawai sounds warmer and more rounded. Settings could probably change this in both pianos, I imagine.
The Kawaii is the brighter one through my monitors. But more rounded, or the Roland more compressed. I could always just EQ the Kawaii one way or another.
I went with my son to the store to evaluate K ES920, R FP-90X and Y P-515.
My son finished 9y acoustic piano lessons, and plays with a very personal touch. He likes emotional pieces (e.g. Chopin) but loves to improvise on classic film music.
I was prepared with reviews like the ones from stu.
My son is looking for a DP with amplifier and speaker included. The piano shop also advised me on the 3 DP I mentioned.
My son was played more than 2 hours with the 3.
Strangely enough, the ES920 was ruled out quite quickly: the action was fragile and 'too loose', the piano sounded artificial and blurry. It was like higher frequencies were too much filtered out. (Note: only the internal speakers was tested). The piano also felt weak and not durable. I personally think that the decision from Kawai to prioritize on reducing weight is a mistake.
The choice between the FP-90X and P-515 was much more difficult.
The sound of the P-515 of the 'default piano' sounded more 'real' (less artificial), heard from a musician. The FP-90X sounded less personal, heard from an editor. (A bit also what stu mentioned about sampling versus modelling). The P515 sounded also with more detail in string sounds.coming
They say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", but, for musicians, "beauty is in the EARS of the beholder". Every player responds to a different tone and touch. Thankfully, there is a plethora of excellent pianos out there for players to choose from. The most important thing is to select a piano that you personally connect with in terms of touch and tone.
I absolutely love my kawai . My yamaha p515 I do use for the othwr sounds but the heaviness of the keys make it most uncomdortable.
I love the lighter weight of the kawai.
Thanks Stu. Great review as always. It would be a very difficult choice between the two. For me, the piercing high end of the Roland is unpleasant BUT I think the keys on the FP90X are so much better. If they could put the SK5 on the Roland…………….
Initially, I also looked towards the fp90, but it is no longer possible to purchase this model here. Thanks to Stu's professional reviews, I decided to go with the es520 (roughly $2500usd at current exchange rates), and after the yamaha P45, two things struck me. First: a different key physics, and a much more natural sound. Second: the sound is better than that of roland fp90x.
Can’t really tell the difference hearing on a iPhone. But going by people’s comments I’ll go with the Kawai since it sounds more natural. This will be my first piano. I could hear you play everyday. You have some serious talent!
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! These are both incredible instruments of course. Naturally, hearing them in person is the best way to experience the full fidelity and tonal richness they offer. :)
I’ve just been checking both and have come to exactly the same view - not I admit with quite the same level of analysis. The Roland does win doesn’t it? The extra weight of the keys means you have to work harder, but the control it gives you is well worth it. The extra heft and robustness of the Roland definitely made me relax more, knowing that there wouldn’t be any thought of a rattle or vibration. Sounds, versatility, features aside, I know that I for one would play better with the Roland. Thanks so much for the review. Like the gentleman before me, I’m hugely impressed with the way youve managed to describe such subtle differences.
Thank you kindly! We appreciate the kind words and we're glad that you have found the video comparison to be helpful. Both of these pianos are powerhouses that are top of their class. With that said, they offer very different things musically. The FP90X has a heavier touch and more balanced tone versus the ES920's slightly lighter touch with a less pronounced escapement/let-off sensation and a warmer tone. Every player will have their preference, but, in either case, you're getting a truly wonderful instrument. :)
I spent weeks doing endless written and video critiques of digital pianos before going with the ES920, in part, due to the unavailability of hte 90X in Canada. My own comparative tool then side by side, is Stu's- as usual-great and well rounded analysis of both. My take is that I made the better choice, at least on the sonic take side of things. I found the 90X's immediacy to have a brittle and slightly digital sound, especially in the upper grequency range. The 920 has, according to my senses, a more naturalness to its whole keyboard. I'm sure the internal software controls are pretty equal, and in only speaking for the 920, I've found the keyboard action to feel incredibly similar to a good keybed/board in an acoustic. The onboard EQ is very useable too.
Here where I reside it's the opposite: majority of kawai models are out-of-stock. I got the FP90x. It makes piano-playing addictive and I love it!
@@rolexmarcelo3218 I am pretty sure if the 920 had not shown up I would have gone for the one you chose too, like the 920, gets great reviews.
As always the best piano reviews on UA-cam. The Kawai sounds more honest to me in both Piano and EP. Not trying to shout about anything just trying to be authentic. It’s interesting how you played in a different way on each based on what it gives you back in terms of feel.
Hi! Brent here! That is certainly fair! The ES920 is a powerhouse instrument with one of the most authentic piano experiences you will find in a digital format. And I definitely know what you mean about reacting to the sound/touch of a given instrument. :)
Incredibly helpful review, Stu! I've been looking for a portable piano to play away from home, and have been considering the ES920, P-525 and FP-90X. Among these three I've only checked out the ES920, but immediately took a huge liking to it. This review, with the beautiful demos of the sound, and the assessments of the tone, action, etc. plus the lower weight, convinced me to go for the ES920. I've had a Technics PX103 for 30+ years that died but was given a second lease in life. It's been difficult to find another digital piano with a grand piano sound that I like as much as the Technics'. The ES920 should be it! Thanks so much for such an informative and thorough review!
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thank you so much! We're glad to hear that Stu's reviews/comparisons were helpful in your process and led to selecting a wonderful piano. The ES920 is my favourite all-in portable digital piano. It has such a wonderful tone and touch. I am confident you will be thrilled with what it offers musically. :)
Absolutely fantastic reviewing. By far the best DP reviews on YT (that I've seen). Congrats for that, and THANK YOU for the obvious objectivity and no BS approach, even though we are aware you are representing a commercial interest. Subscribed!
Only complaint I have, is that while I see some reviewers (surprisingly few!) mention what the accompianment capabilities are of model X, I have yet to see anyone compare the quality (when doing comparos).
And there are pretty wide differences: How creative can you get while you're playing and you want "the band" to follow you (i.e. how flexible is the arrangement function)? How up to date are the sounds and rhythms (the arranger sounds of my 1997 Roland are woefully out of date, for instance)? Related to that, how realistic does it sound? I've heard snippets of some of these multi thousand dollar pianos and they sound like $200 Casios in the arrangement department! :D How about just a quick sample of playing with both arrangers (well in the case of the Roland, using their app)?
Heck, I would LOVE it for someone, anyone (but you would be preferred!) to do an "arranger" comparison at different price points (maybe at $1K and below, then at $2K and below or something).
I guess it's a niche feature bc almost no one really talks about it...you see it on the lower end "keyboards", and on the VERY highest end DP's, which I find interesting. Best current model arranger keyboard that's under $2K right now is probably the $850 Yamaha DG-670, as they put arranger tech in that sub-$1K unit that is much more advanced than what is even in their high end Clavinova's (I guess the new model Clavs will get this thought). Amazing stuff really, what they are doing in that space.
Sir where can I hear more of your piano. Just can’t seem to get enough. 🤩🤩
10:21-13:12 Close your eyes, listen carefully to the details of the piano and choose which one you like best to your ear. Kawai sounds much more authentic to me and I'm ordering it today. Good luck to everyone and thank you for that experience it was awesome! ❤
That is a very good suggestion! We should always base our decision on the musical merit of an instrument and which sound/feel we resonate with most. :)
I have to agree with you. Recently I had the chance to try a used ES520 against a new Roland FP 90X and even then, I preferred the sound of the Kawai.. the Roland came out too muddy and too full, Stu's explanation is actually spot on...
Now I've found a Kawai ES920 in mint condition, although it's 3 years old, at 700 euros, literally half the price from the new..
After searching for months, for a used one (between es520/920 and FP60X/90X) I finally found it.. 🥺
The high treble notes on the Kawai are so beautiful.
I definitely agree! The amount of colour and expressivity in the upper register of the SK-EX samples are incredible. :)
I agree. @@MerriamPianos
I come back again (and again) to your lovely demos as I slowly take in a few more nuances of what is going on and being demonstrated . And pop off and play em in the store .. A massive thank you , wishing to find the piano equivalent of my go to , daily small bodied acoustic guitar- as you say it’s all about finding that illusive connection !
Thank you so much for tuning in and supporting the channel! We appreciate that immensely. I completely agree! It can be quite the process, but finding an instrument that you truly connect with is a magical moment of course.
Great video. I've been researching digital pianos for 2-months now, and I've watched this video (and many others) multiple times. I wish I could purchase them both!
I played the Kawai DG 30 today for a gig. The sound was incredible in the action was superb. Probably the best digital piano action I’ve ever played. And I guess the ES 920 has the same action. I may have to get this piano.
The ES920 uses the same RHIII action as the DG30. I agree with your sentiments! It is an incredibly impressive instrument. It looks quite attractive too! :)
Thanks so much for your amazing comparisons. They are so much informative and pragmatic than anything else, and so detailed on the things that really make a difference. You have helped me tremendously in choosing my next piano.
You're very welcome! Thank you so much for those incredibly kind words! We're happy to hear that you've found our videos and channel helpful through your selection process. :)
Stu, you deligthed me this time! Thank You for this marvellous emotional playing on these fine instruments.
Every Breath You Take
Ok, it was very useful, but not only: perfect lights, perfect audio, and as piano passionate (not really a great pianist as you are), hearing your observation and also you reactions playing those keyboards, I found your reactions as very close to mine when I play the piano, and recently it's quite difficult to do that for me. So thank you for the great video, for your sincerity, objectivity and your so detailed explanation of both these beatiful piano. Probably I will find some moment to come back to play piano with one of those. Keep this way to make videos, it's quite rare on YT and it's really appreciated!
Outstanding review - very thoughtful. It's 2022 and I'm in the market for a new keyboard. I basically play for myself. Years ago, at the recommendation of a keyboard and Piano expert, after much personal research, many reviews, and some previously very poor keyboards, I made my selection. After hearing 1 minute of a product demo, I was blown away, and immediately ordered a Kawai MP6 Digital Stage Piano ($1,400 back then), hooked it up to two KRK RP5G3 speakers, and that put me in heaven. What deep, rich, true quality sound. I thought I was playing a true acoustic piano. However, I moved to the Philippines and can't ship it here. So I'm looking for a replacement and thinking about the Kawai ES920 or Yamaha P515B -- if I can find them. I love Kawai units. I thought your assessment of the Kawai and Roland were very good and fair. Subjectively, to me, the Kawai models seems to have a more "human" feel and sound including distance. It does not feel/sound like an artificial recreation of something real -- it feels/sounds like the real thing (acoustic pianos) designed by humans rather than robots in its touch, feel, feedback, tone, etc. Rolands, Yamahas, and others are often "in your face" and sometimes difficult to feel any "warmth" or human connections to the units -- although the sounds can be very good. I like the "organic" humanistic recreated sounds of the Kawai units, that is the best description I can give, and it is only my opinion. The personal work the Kawai people must be putting into their creations to create truly authentic/organic sounds must be incredible.
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! I certainly agree regarding your assessment about Kawai. The warm, nuanced SKEX samples establishes an authenticity that is very difficult to match. That sense of realism really does help to establish a strong connection between the player and the instrument, which is crucial in order for one to play at their expressive best. :)
The Manila supplier of Kawaii instruments is out of stock of most kawaii models. I was eyeing the ES920 since I started looking for digital pianos in May but theyve been out of stock the whole time. Only the es110 is available.
So I got the FP90x. It's absolutely gorgeous and addictive to use also.
The P515 is available the last time I looked.
@@rolexmarcelo3218 Yes, the ES110 is all over the place. Why do the Philippines only seem to sell the lowest level models. However, the ES110 is discontinued and there are big discounts. It is now replaced by the newly released ES120 with SIGNIFICANT improvements. If you want an ES110, then try to wait for a ES120. It will cost more, but it has a lot more. Could be a long wait. I love Kawai units, I owned an MP6 Professional Stage Piano (Replaced by the MP7SE and MP11SE), and it was mind-blowing hooked to my two 50-watt each external speakers. But I'm looking for something lighter, more portable, and much less expensive. I just purchased the Yamaha P125 ($765) on Lazada. Why? Because it was about the only one of halfway decent quality in the Philippines that I can find, not because I wanted it. It was available and sounded better to me than the ES110. I have not seen the ES120 on sale in the Philippines yet. Heads up, if you have the money and can find one, the Roland FP-30X ($799 in the U.S.) sounds really good. The FP-60X (around $1,249 in the US) sounds even better and filled full of extras and larger speakers. If I could find one in the Philippines for a decent price, I would have bought the Kawai ES120 or Roland FP60X.
@@rolexmarcelo3218 Thank you for your advice. I will look at the FP90x. At this point, I'm looking for anything somewhat realistic to play. I had the same experience with the Manila supplier. It appears whatever Kawai I want, they don't have it. I started looking for something less out here in the Philippines, and was going to get the ES110 - about the only Kawai ES series you can find out here in great quantities. However, Kawai just discontinued the ES110 in 2022 and replaced with the ES120 with important performance upgrades. So I am trying to wait for the ES120 replacement, but can't find any. So I wrote an email to Kawai HQ in Japan, and said "if your suppliers can't support the customers here, I should be able to order direct from Japan." I received an email from Japan saying "the Manila supplier has the ES120 (I have never seen it advertised), and they would tell the supplier to contract me. " Well the supplier never did contact me. I may give them a call. I asked them about an ES920 once (they had only one) and the Manila dealer was asking almost double the price. Forget it. Maybe I should open a dealership in Cebu City and service all of Philippines.
As always a great video review from you. I have recently upgraded to Kawai 920S which I love, primarily bought for the warm tone, light weight, wonderful action and USB recording facilities, but there is even more when you add the bluetooth audio. I use that for enjoying UA-cam sound and online radio etc from my phone or iPad.
It makes a full really nice sound, particularly if you listen in correct stereo while sat at the piano. But I also find it great for transcribing half forgotten songs by playing along through the same built-ion speakers. You can instantly correct to the right note, foe example.
The virtual technician is also great and I found it useful to (surprisingly for me), set to heavier action, to get access to a wider tonal range, add additional cabinet sound making it feel even more like a very solid acoustic piano, and add extra sympathetic resonance when sustain pedal is used giving a still more sparkling sound in the top register. I think it is possible to swop settings by file from USB.
I still love my even lighter but less feature-packed Kawai ES110 - still a very good and highly affordable alternative and have featured both on my channel.
So when you set the 920 to a heavier action than it actually changes the actuation weight? Or just lowers sensitivity?
Great comparison Stu. Any chance we could see an ES920 vs P515 comparison (or include the FP-90x and do a triple comparison!)? They're pretty much identical in price point and both are flagships. I''m curious what your thoughts are between the two. I'm a P515 owner myself but have been looking at the ES920 for additional variety in tones and action.
if you ask me (and me only), feel of RH3 is OK but it does feel plasticy and fragile. Both Roland and Yamahas are rock solid. There is a reason why it's so heavy (and the Kawai so light). Got a ES7, love it, but it's definitely not something I would buy brand new at this price point
The P515 has by far a superior Piano sound. All its Other sounds though are sooo incredibly dated and downright bad that it‘s almost shocking. Yamaha hasn‘t changed them in 20 years. The design of the 515 is crap too
Played Yamaha 515 in the shop today. Much prefer Kawai RHIII action. Yamaha feels hard, it's like dancing on the concerete floor, there is no cushioning when you play something heavy. I am a MMus in classical piano. Not much tone variety in Kawai though. If yamaha action works for you, just buy a sound pack and plug new sounds into your existing keys, much cheaper option
@@BjoernLewinwhy do you say the yamaha is crap?
@@BjoernLewini own a P515 Which piano sound.do you feel is superior? Also why is the design crap?
Another incredible review/comparison from Merriam. With particularly beautiful playing. Thank you so much! And wonderful voice audio as well - what lavalier mic/preamp is that?
Thank you again Stu. Your reviews on the ES-920 are the reason I bought one a few years ago. I own a 2008 Roland RD-700GX and of course as time progresses the newer models are better. I’m sure I commented here years ago on the same thing but the weight factor was what pushed me to Kawai but the Roland is great as well. A Japanese person commented in another video how happy they were that Japan has contributed to music. I totally agree and thank the Japanese companies for allowing us to enjoy the music we love today. Kompai.
Hi! Brent here! Thank you for tuning in and writing in! The ES920 is an awesome piano and it is still relatively portable, which makes it even more attractive. I definitely agree with your sentiments about Japan's contribution to the piano industry. Japanese manufacturers are offering some of the best value pianos on the market right now, which offer incredible musical experiences. :)
Thank you you've explained the reason why the FP sounds unreal to my ears in store. Like if your head were inside a grand with the lid closed. I suspect that goes away to anyone listening from 10 or 30 feet away in an actual live setting but I'm thrown by it I suppose I'd get used to it.
I noticed this a while back listening to different reviews between Roland and other brands. Lets say your in a room and yours eyes are closed, you hear someone playing an instrument you can turn and face the music (Point of reference of the sound). The sampling from Roland when you listen to it sometimes sounds like your the one playing the music, because the sampling is so close to the piano. So its kind of playing havoc if your listening to it from speakers across the room, because your hearing it at a distance but the sampling is still wanting you in the middle of the instrument. I think its why some people don't like playing with it in a band, because the point of reference issue naturally draws your attention to the piano even if its not the lead part.
A specifically liked the assessing the difference between the experience in sound (resulting from the position of the recording) from the position of a player sitting behind a keyboard vs piano.
roland sound for me , but both very good.
the music at 16:00 is so beautiful...i love it, your play is so musical and sensitive, great job really
:)
Looking into a more portable solution but I still have my Kawai MP10 which cost me $4,000 over 10 years ago and it's still is a phenomenal piano
Absolutely! The Kawai MP series instruments are excellent, but they are tanks of course! The ES920 would be an excellent option for you if you are already at home with the Kawai sound and feel. It is also a bit lighter and more portable than other all-in portable digital pianos in this quality category.
I bought this piano a while ago and am very pleased with the action and sound it is certainty streets ahead of it's predesesors. A big bonus to me was at an open mic. The supplied pedal does not waltz around the floor as it has a huge rubber pad to stabilize it. Also if you plug your mic in and use the line out for both mic and piano you have separate on board control. (No more arguments with the sound guy) the internal monitors stay on too when on stage which is a major advantage against others you can turn them off if you don't need them but it obviates the need for a separate monitor. The controls a very user friendly and there's no sub menus to navigate.
My advice if your planning to upgrade from your current piano is be prepared to not want to play any piano that is not better than this. It's the Ferrari of speaker inclusive pianos. However I found it quite heavy to lift and transport. So I invented a contraption that makes it easy peasy. An heavy duty X frame drilled holes in the leg bases with hospital trolley casters bolted through with two brakes. It works perfect. Just wheel it out of the house to the vehicle with a cover over held with elastic hook ropes. And without disassembly wheel it into the van and the reverse procedure at the other end. Save time and energy and it's not fiddly.
Which piano though?
@@Pe6ek wondering the same but since he mentioned weight I’ll have to say he bought the Roland. Torn on which one to buy. The keys on my 2008 Roland RD-700GX are awesome so I get an idea how the FP-90X would feel. The 700 uses PHA2 vs PHA50 but both use wood key structures. That being said, weight and price are pulling me to the 120.
What did you buy?
Thumbs up just for "streets ahead"
@@Pe6ek Roland FP90X
Another Great comparison. In previous comparisons, the comments had jump ahead link to the actions, sounds, etc.... looks like in 2021 those are not showing up in the comments... perhaps I am missing it... one of the things I valued most about your reviews, is that it was easy to get to just what data needed.... any way that can start to be added back into your comments? Thanks
Thanks for all the hard work. Great comparison. Keep up the good work.
extremely helpful video, excellent descriptions of the finer details of these pianos.
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I'm a fan of both. That said I'm very frugal. For that reason, I favor the es920. Also it weighs less, and any wight savings is a real plus. I purchased the DGX-670 for a few different reasons. It is a budget instrument that sounds very good in many respects. It's also rather large and heavy. I had to get a neighbor to help me get it up half a flight of stairs. This would be true of the Roland too as it and the DGX weigh about the same. In this video, I like the sound of the Kawai. I recommend people buying the least expensive instrument that will meet their needs in terms of their own playing ability. I've been a Roland fan for years, but today my vote goes to the Kawai. As for the DGX, it's half the price of the Kawai, but it's so complex combined with some extreme annoyances, that people might want to reject it simply for over complexity. I have barely scratched the surface of its auto-play features. One annoyance was that when I wanted just a single trombone voice for the lead, the only way I could get it is to switch the voice to monophonic mode (no polyphony). It's just another area where the DGX is just plain weird. The minute I shifted to automated mode the lead became two horns instead of just one, and it took a long time to figure out what to do. The instrument just doesn't act as one familiar with music would expect.
Back to the fp90x and the es920, I would say a more mellow treble is extremely important and that's a another reason to go for the es920. The Roland is just too much bang for too much buck. That said no matter which one you choose, you will be happy with it.
Same view here, Roland fan but less money and lighter weight pushes me to the 920. My Roland RD-700GX is a heavy beast as well but still so nice.
Wow, a comment from someone comparing these with the DG670!!! Hallelujah! :D I've been combing the internet looking for a "proper" DP (focused on action, piano sound first, other stuff secondary), that ALSO has as good (or at least close) to the amazing arranger functions on the DG670 (which are top class IMO, some truly new and innovative stuff in that model!
I've currently got a Roland DP from 1997 that was IIRC around $4k at the time, and it's past time to get a newer model for a few reasons. Bad thing is that I can't afford a $4K DP right now, so I am looking at a much more modest price point this time around.
Absolutely LOVE the arranger functions on the 670, but the speakers are sub-par and underpowered for that price point IMO (though they do sound good for the wattage, I admit). Also the shared mic/line out is a deal breaker for me - I cannot believe they did that.
I fully get your complaint about the complexity for someone who "just wants to play" though...for me, that is actually a bonus. I'm a tinkerer by nature, and I love to get into menus, and subtle settings and find cool things, etc. Yamaha does a HORRIBLE job of explaining their super powerful arranger functions, though, and it's almost like you just need to spend a few days learning how stuff works by trial and error (speaking about the arranger functionality only).
I watched my uncle play my Dad's 670, and just get frustrated trying to get appropriate solo instrument sounds (as opposed to the varying degrees of "trumpet" for instance...the straight tone, vs the tone with the "extras" depending on how hard you press, etc. I get it, but that complexity can also add a LOT of richness and accuracy if you are trying to recreate a specific sound. Learning HOW to use it, and use it well, is not easy though.
My perfect replacement DP would be something under $2K, with a full console, 4 speakers, plenty of wattage (I'm already outside the $2k budget with just those requirements!), great action and piano sound (but not the best, just good enough for daily solo piano practice) AND a decent arranger. Think something like the Roland 90X or ES920 or even P515, with that 760 arranger. Chef's kiss! :D
@@bruceincola8692 I also have the DGX 670, and honestly I don't understand why some people find it so complex. Maybe because I have also had the DGX 660 before, and at least two Yamaha PSR-S series of their professional arrangers, which are very similar to the DGX670. There is no digital piano with arranger functionality that comes close to the DGX 670 in terms of the quality and complexity of the arranger. Regarding the wattage on the DGX 670, which is 12 watts total: in audio, you need 10 times the power to hear a sound twice as loud, which means you would need 12x10=120 watts of power to hear the sound twice as loud as the DGX 670. I find the DGX670 to be really loud for home use, in fact, it would be extremely uncomfortable to crank it up all the way. To put it in numbers: let's say the DGX 670 has speakers with a typical sensitivity of 90 dB each driver. Since you have 2 drivers, you get 93 dB at 1 watt. Therefore, you could expect about 97 dB of loudness at full volume. That is very, very uncomfortably loud already. If you want to get twice as loud (about 107 decibels), you need 10 times the power, so you need 120 watts from the amplifier. A typical upright piano at normal playing produces about 90 dB. I have tested my DGX 670 against a baby grand piano, and they produce similar volume levels. Unless you are trying to compete with a concert grand piano, I don't think you really need more power for typical home use. Most digital pianos consume just a few watts (between 2-5 watts) at normal listening volumes, despite their amplifier rating, which is a misleading number for several reasons. To put things in perspective: the Roland FP90X, rated at 60 watts of amplifier power, consumes only 2 watts of amplifier power at half the volume.
@@Instrumental-Covers I don't know if you will see this as the review is old. I've played the FP-90x now and was somewhat disappointed. It is a good instrument, but the action is stiff and sluggish. The only thing I can think is that over time the action breaks in and becomes more fluid. I can tell you straight out that my DGX-670 combined with Pianoteq Pro sounds better. I could not find an acoustic piano voice on the 90x that actually satisfied me. It is a good instrument and I'm sure anyone who buys it will like it, but it doesn't sound better than the DGX coupled with Pianoteq, and I honestly prefer the feel of the action on the DGX. As for complexity of the DGX, it is driving me nuts. I still don't understand the thing. I do like the Roland 708 upright a lot and it is very similar or better sounding to my Pianoteq Pro / DGX combo voice. Some other Kawai pianos such as the CA-99 and DG-30 sound very good. A lot of the auxiliary sounds on the FP-90x are completely awesome, for example the Rhodes sound Stu played on the Roland. The DGX is hard to beat for the money. It has improved my overall experience which was previously Pianoteq Pro by itself, driven by a Casio PX-150. When Stu compares the actions. I would have to agree with what he says. I enjoy more mellow pianos and detest bright harsh pianos. I'm not a banger. As good as Stu is, he is more of a banger than me, and I don't come close to his ability. That said the PHA-5 action is just not for me. DGX has Bluetooth in, and is very easy to pair.
@@JoeLinux2000 That is a great concise review. You are ahead of me with the LX708 and CA99, as I haven't had a chance to see them in person. I don't like harsh pianos either, but I like the "Pop Grand" in the DGX670, which is bright but melodious. It is probably a Yamaha C7.
Excellent video, the difference with the keyboard bed which is very important in making a selection. I went to a local music store and I loved the Roland 90X PHA-50 keys that has wood as part of the material, vs the all plastic Kawai keys. The Roland keys have a more solid feel and more like a real piano. This cannot be overlooked. The Kawai keys are a little too light and feels more like a keyboard vs a piano. The Roland feels more like a piano and I like it better. With that being said, I prefer the sound of the Kawai by a little bit.
The 90X has pure acoustic modeling which is better than the older supernatural sounds of the older Roland 90. So they moved up in quality a bit with the 90X. Both the Kawai and Roland are very good and you could be happy with either. But I am going for the Roland due to the key material, feel of the keys and the increased amount of different sounds it has vs the Kawai. The 3 band EQ is also very good to get a warmer or more modern pop sound. In addition, there is more watts on the amp of the Roland with its 4 speakers giving you a more satisfying sound. He is right the Roland top end can sound a little shrill. Thankfully in the settings you have individual control for each key to be more forward or a little laid back and warmer. I got the 2nd C above middle C and all the notes after and reduced the character by -1 and now the shrill is gone. Also lifting the lid adds a little more space.
Honest though both piano are really good and I think I would be happy with either one.
pls man help me to decide, I kinda agree with u but some people say wooden keys turn out to be a problem in the long run, so plastic keys age better cuz wood materials makes the digital keyboard have acoustic piano problems, just in the keys tho, crazy isn't it
Damn, you're an oustanding improviser
15:24 Kawai, amazing warmth and midrange
Absolutely! You will definitely be hard-pressed to find a warmer and more satisfying midrange than the Kawai SKEX samples. :)
wow - that intro cover. shock of recognition when the melody hook kicked in.
Thanks for tuning in! :)
Stu !
This review !?!
Totally and Completely
OUTSTANDING !!!
Bravo !
Yes,
I worked out All my bugs with VI Labs VST
But to be able to just Walk up, Reach over , Push the button and 30 seconds later and be able Just Play ?
Fantastic !
Thank You Sooooo Much for your Explanations and Detailed In-depth Descriptions.
Excellent Video on Mid Priced true Instruments.
Wishing You and Your Store were in Philadelphia Pa.
Thinking Studio jam sessions .. Haha
Thanks Again, Joe
Wow, there’s so many things that are red flags for the Kawai. It’s reliance on the app, makes me nervous that they might one day deprecate the app and then the keyboard has limited customizations.
When he discusses the duplex scaling problems in the Roland, it should be a negative, but it only emphasizes the fact that you cannot adjust any such settings directly on the Kawai keyboard and you can fix that on the FP90X without any 3rd party tablet or computer.
So yeah, this is a tough choice, but the bigger picture would have me going for the Roland as you just get more all around.
Polyphony Winner - Roland
Direct Customization - Roland
Instrument Quantity Selection - Roland
Build Quality - Roland
Speaker output - Roland
Weight - Kawai
Keyboard Action - He says the Roland is similar to the higher end Kawai Action
I guess everyone trying to push their favorite brand will toss out all the areas where the Roland might be better or the Kawai might be better, but experience will win out in the end.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and insights! Ultimately, the choice comes down to a matter of personal preference. Both of these heavyweight portable digitals are amazing instruments, but they offer a different touch and different tonal flavour. Every pianist will prioritize different elements or features of a digital piano, so the choice will always be very personal. Thanks again and all the best!
THIS! This is how you should do all your videos, hook us with the instrument’s piano sound and then get into the details!
One thing that needs to be discussed here though, the Kawai is much harder to resell, because the higher end professionals tend to trust Roland and the lower end beginners don’t really know who Kawai is and that puts them in a tough spot. I had the ES520 and loved it (bought it for my mom and sold it when she passed away), but even in a sellers market it was hard to resell.
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That is interesting to hear. In the Canadian market, that is certainly not the case. Kawai is one of the top three or four digital piano lines in our market (along with Roland, Yamaha, and Casio). The ES920 model is perpetually backordered for us because it is so popular. Not that we get used ones in (people tend to hold onto them for a very long time), but I would be quite confident it would be scooped up within a day or two given how fiercely popular the model is here.
I sell a ton of equipment in the U.S. and pro's love kawai, the beginners dont know kawai at all, They have no low end for beginners to experience.
Brilliant Sir, as usual. I am going to buy one of these and you are helping me so much. Thank you 😊
They are both good! I do wish both companies would get around to modeling EPs, and come out with a versions without the speakers. Also, the ES could use sliders to take advantage of its modeling parameters
Korg SV2 sounds pretty damn incredible for hardware without being an official Rhodes, modern Rhodes can set you back $10k, apparently.
Kawai mp7se is roughly what you ask for
Sorry, forgot to add… choosing a piano right now is soooo difficult as it is nearly impossible right now to have an ES920 AND a FP-90x side be side to compare in Canada…
Thanks for this long awaited review.
Next please: FP90 / FP90X
This is what the communitiy is looking forward since a while now. PureAcoustic vs SuperNatural Modeling. This would also be an indirect shootout between HP704 and LX705.
I think both FP-90 and FP-90x use modeling for the piano sounds.
thats of no use, roland always uses modelling.
Spent ages going from the es920 to Roland fp90x really wanting to like the Kawai (it’s so much lighter) but wasn’t inspired by the action (I normally perform on acoustic). My previous stage piano was a Roland RD700 which has been brilliant (I’ve never been let down by my Rolands) so maybe I’ve got biased towards their actions? I didn’t have them side by side (I had to go to two different stores but they were only across the road from each other) so it maybe that the ‘feel’ of the Roland gave the illusion of a better sound? Basically it was an instrument I felt inspired to play which I just didn’t get with the Kawai (I really wanted to like it, lighter and slightly cheaper). Anyway, really happy with the Roland and was the right decision for me. The es920 has had some brilliant reviews so I originally thought that that would win the day.
So tell me if my experience is like yours. The Kawai action is lighter, quicker, the Roland a little more heavy. I am interested to know. My biggest question is about playing sample libraries with both of these as I am planning on my next controller. I would like to know easy it is to play different velocity levels on the Kawai compared to the Roland.
@@dbmusicproductions9181 Yes, I would say the action is lighter on the Kawai but didn’t notice if it was quicker. I was able to compare roland fp60 with the fp90 action and, although I liked the fp60 action and didn’t have quite some much dynamic control, although playing around with the touch response
Cont. helped to gain more control. I did feel I had more dynamic control with the Roland but might just be individual thing, I didn’t have them side by side. As for playing sample libraries I have no idea, I would imagine it depends on how the samples are set up to react to the velocity signals coming from the keyboard?
@@stuartphippen46 thank you. I bring up sample libraries because I’ll often want to be able to play samples in a way that I can depend on hitting a certain velocity. Some keyboard actions are better than others at that. I hope that makes sense. Thank you again for being willing to share your experience!
On the Roland, I know the low range seemed lacking, when I tried it out in a store I had to turn the low bass all the way up and kept the treble and mid range towards the middle end to get a balance I liked
The default sound of any digital piano may require some tweaking to satisfy your ears. One of the nice things about the Roland models is that they have incredible tonal flexibility and customizability. :)
All of the tech features aside, the real bargain if you want a "Piano", is the Kawai CA 49, due to the action being so much superior and closer to an actual piano. That the price dropped down to $2299 is also notable. IMO, for a better action, it really should be the FP-90x and the CA 49 here. ie - "I have a little more than 2K, what is the best option?
And I agree with Jean Hasdenteufel - Kawai is making the best pianos for the money currently. Roland is a close second, but Kawai is doing better with tech, IMO.
Not portable or even dissassemblable 😭 otherwise I would definitely bought ca99 or ca49
Joseph Oberlander: That may be true. I was somewhat underwhelmed after trying the CA39. Can you describe the difference between these two models?
@@Zoco101 The Kawai and Roland ( plus Yamaha ) all use the same action in their keyboards from about $600 to about $2000. It's plastic, heavy, and variations of the same meh. The CA 39 is the same.
The CA 49 uses an action that is built like an upright piano. Shorter than a grand, but with a stick, pivot points, and so on like a piano. I've tried the Kawai Progressive Hammer Action III and the Roland version of it, and they are better than the stuff below them, but still, IMO, short of a piano.
Usually you need to move up to $4K for a real action from Yamaha. The CA49 is the least expensive piano action now, that tries to replicate the real thing, IMO, despite the lack of features - rather starkly so. From there, its really the MP-11se. Which is MUCH better than these two - worth the extra few hundred dollars - and a clear win over the Roland FP-90x.
Go try a CA 49 - its passable as a realistic piano, IMO. Or the MP-11se if you want a stage piano.
@@ganqqwerty Yes, I fail to see why Kawai can't make the entire bottom just unclip with some levers similar to what you see in a dining room table.
@@josephoberlander I've tried the MP11SE briefly but didn't have access to a CA49.
Since I'm not playing or practising classical music, I don't mind slightly unorthodox plastic actions, but I like to stay informed, partly because friends and students ask me to recommend instruments. It's clear from what you say that no portable instrument is going to have an action close to that of a quality acoustic piano, and I do wonder how the VSTi fans cope with their DP/Controller actions. If the exact sound is so important, why not the action too?
But I have to say that I prefer having one of the better plastic DP actions to having a wooden one on a really cheap upright. Many uprights are just not worth producing or maintaining, and cannot keep up with an intermediate level pianist, let alone an advanced one. Remember those over-damped dinosaurs and the Chinese/Korean/East German exports of the 60s,70s & 80s? Homes and bars were littered with them. I hope that most of the bad ones have disappeared now, since they were a hindrance to piano study and performance.
The es920 had a fantastic action and by far the best piano sounds with the kawai engine. There is no competition in that regard
I definitely agree that the ES920 is an absolute powerhouse! Furthermore, it is very difficult to beat of the cost-to-value front. :)
@@MerriamPianos indeed which is not so common with kawai finding a good price for so much peformance lol
Kawai sounds natural and beautiful 👍👍👍
Great review, thank you. It's Kawai for me. What was the song you just played? It sounds amazing.
Thank you! The ES920 is a remarkable sounding instrument. The value it offers is quite attractive too. I would have to ask Stu as to what song/piece he is playing, but I do agree that it is wonderful. :)
To my ear Kawai's main piano sound it's better
The Roland Fx90 still sounds like a digital piano whereas the ES920 is beginning to sound close to a real piano. But the ES920 has too much emphasis on the bass sound whereas the Roland has even equalizing.
There are certainly pros and cons to both of these amazing pianos. With that said, in either case, you are getting a top-level instrument. :)
Kawai wins! For me at least. Very authentic sound. Roland sounds very nice also, but after pressing one key you can hear that kind of "artificial" piano sound, even though sounds great. For someone who looks for the same feeling and sound as an acoustic instrument, Kawai is the better choice. I usually play acoustic, I use digital for some recording, so for me, Kawai is much closer to a real acoustic instrument. Thank you for that review, very detailed and informative.
You're very welcome! Everyone will have their preference between these two powerhouse digital pianos of course, but I certainly agree that it is tough to compete with the ES920's tone in terms of authenticity and nuance. :)
Какое у вас акустическое фортепьяно?
Great comparison video!
Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)
I love your demos, your playing is outstanding and your presentation is excellent. Kudos! I'm a hobbyist and had my heart set on the FP90X... until now. After hearing Every Breath You Take on both pianos the Kawai ES920 gave me a touch of WHT (wandering hands trouble). What to do now? The comments below seem convincingly in favor of the Kawai for many reasons not the least are weight and price, but I've never owned a good DP, so it leaves me with a challenging decision. Years ago I traded one of my sculptures for a baby grand and until recently we had been inseparable. It needs repairs now and would cost a small fortune to bring it back, so my options are Roland or Kawai. Which one will make me feel like I have my baby back?
Don't forget its not just the sound to consider, but the feel of the keys. I just went to a music store and the Roland PHA-50 keys feel more like a real piano than the Kawai which are too light in my opinion. They feel more like a keyboard than a piano. The Roland has the best keys with the PHA-50. This affects how you play.
Especially the higher notes sound amazing on Kawai. But regarding the keyboard mechanics I think Roland is ahead
It comes down to a matter of personal preference of course, but both of these pianos are impressive and certainly have their strengths. Thanks for tuning in! :)
I'd like to have an instrument like these, BUT with aftertouch (polyAT would be great!) and the Roland Pitch-Mod-Combo-Stick. Yes, I am one of the few, who likes this Roland solution a lot more, than the usual two wheels, because I use bending and modulation at the same time and with two wheels it's a lot harder to manage fine expression IMO. But there is no such instrument (with a comparable good action!!!) on the market? Am I right?
Great job in your wording, comparing, and transparency in presenting Stu, and nice choices in songs for demo'ing, also I think. Your practical analysis and summarizing I could really relate to, and agree with.
19:58 well played stu👏👏👏. is it your own improvisation or is it any other peice of music.
I would have to ask Stu about that, but, in any case, I definitely agree that it is fantastic playing! We're very lucky to have Stu's incredible talents! :)
@@MerriamPianos yes please ask him. and thanks for bringing these comparisions🙂
Intro sounds like Purple Rain, but song is Every Breath You Take. Anyway, it’s great playing always Stu. Your reviews are great and much appreciated.
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I’m retired, 68 years old and want to go digital. I’m a low intermediate player but can see me playing for the rest of my life. If money isn’t an issue, just want to have fun, what’s a good digital piano
That is awesome to hear! Playing piano is a wonderful and rewarding experience. :)
If money is no option, models like the Kawai NV5S and NV10S represent the very best digital piano experiences that you will find in my opinion. These are amazing hybrid models that meaningfully bridge the gap with an acoustic piano playing experience.
If you or any readers recommend one keyboard/ piano would be happy
Thank you
I love your reviews. Been watching them for years. Your review of the Kawai CA99 lead me to investigate it in person and I bought it. I am in the US, so I guess the music store here owes you a sales commission.... lol.
I've spent the last 2 weeks watching your reviews as I'm looking for a new digital piano. it's been really helpful since I can't really go to too many places to try them all bcs of the pandemic and I finally managed to narrow my options down to between these two. I did try the es920 but haven't got the chance to try the fp90x, so still can't decide tho 😅.
update: I got the es920
@@mishaelarviano1582 and are you happy with it?
I am at the same point right now as you. I really like both of these.
@@tobiasH1971 I am. I really like the piano sound, it's exceptional. The other sound (e.piano, organ, etc.) is just okay (I don't mind because I'm not using it that sound that often). The piano action is exactly just like what he explained.
@@vickyhendricks5357 what he explained on 32:19 is very helpful.
Thanks. Great perspective on the two.
Have you done videos on midi controllers? I have an Arturia Keylab 88 MKII, and I find the action to feel heavy/spongy. I also have a Roland FP-30, which has a nicer action, but lacks all the other controls/connections the Arturia has. A lot of people are playing with VSTs these days, so it would be good to hear your opinion on the midi controller keybeds, and the other features.
kawai vcp1 is topnotch there.
I enjoy your reviews.
So, Little Richard would prefer the Roland action and Bill Evans would prefer the Kawai? My playing is a cheap imitation of Bill. I have the Kawai MP11 (damaged...) and ES110 (3000 miles away). How would you compare the 920's action to them? I did play the Roland in the store and thought the action was great. Going back today to try the new Kawai 120. How would you compare the 120's action to the 920's? Great playing, great video. Thanks...
Hi! Brent from Merriam Music here! Thanks for taking the time to tune into our video!
From my perspective, the ES920's action is far superior to the ES110. It has a much more solid feel, heavier weighting and more of the sensations of a grand piano action (namely the inclusion of let-off). While they have made some improvements to the ES120's action, which gives it more solidity and reduces key noise significantly, my preference is still the ES920. I personally find it to be a much superior feel, which is also reflected in the price gap between these pianos.
The MP11 and MP11SE are wonderful models and I would probably give them a bit of an edge over the ES920's RHIII action. With that said, it really comes down to personal preference and subjectivity, so it is awesome that you have an opportunity to test these various models out at a showroom. :)
@@MerriamPianos Hi Brent, and thanks for the quick response! Actually, as to Kawai, only the 120 is available (Sam Ash Hollywood). By "heavier weighting" (920 to 120), do you mean "heavier feel"? Actually, my hands prefer a light touch, like an old Steinway. My 110 causes hand fatigue after about an hour (my MP11 does not, but it's 3000 miles away and damaged). I have giant hands / super long fingers (C to Ab and sometimes A) and reach the back of the black keys. So I returned the infamous Casio 3000 almost immediately a couple of years ago. If you know, does the 920 have a longer pivot than the 520 / 120 (I believe the pivots on these are the same)? It's hard to know what causes the fatigue - "heavy" action, short pivot, hard landing, something else. I'd prefer the 120's lighter weight (third floor apartment, no elevator, need to take on Amtrak in late spring, no vehicle here for gigs and must use public transportation here in LA), so it's sort of "fatigue (body) versus fatigue (hands)." I'd only trade the 120's 25 pound weight for the 920's 37 pound weight if the keybed were less fatiguing. The sounds / features in either will be fine for me. With that in mind, which (120, 920 or even 520) would best suit my needs? Thanks, Jeff Newton
Thank you again!!
Which one between the Kawai ES-920 and the Roland's FP-60X, FP-90X and F-701 do you like more and why?
Which one does have the heaviest key action?
Do the ones without cabinet have any kind of cover for protection against dust and dirt, etc?
Do the ones without cabinet & pedals (all others except the Roland F-701) have the feature of modeling the sound with an equivalent damper/sustain button (as they lack the pedal)?
Piano + strings together seem to sound better on the Rolands, isn't it?
Thank you!
I also have the same questions . But pianos saund on Roland for me sounds more natural
WOW! Quite refreshing. Stu played pop!
Stu is a monster player and extremely versatile and well-versed in many styles! ;)
19:14 that look he gave was GOLD haha
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I LOVE your presentation. You created, in your presentation, much more present/close connection to the audience than Roland FP-90x. Thanks.... and I subscribed.
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I was waiting for this review before choosing one of them. Both are so good.
20:25 : what is an ECME sound?
It's "ECM-y", sounding like ECM. ECM is a record label. For example Keith Jarrett is an ECM artist.
@@piano-thewernerway1192 thanks for this!
Kawai sounds better. I guess the modeling is still not good enough. Probably they should make multiple layers of modeling sound and mix them together to produce a more natural sound?
Thanks for writing in and sharing your thoughts! Ultimately, it boils down to the tonal preferences of the player when deciding between these two excellent portable digital pianos. On that note, I am sure the coming years will feature new innovations to both sample-based and modelling-based tone engines, so it will interesting to see how things progress. :)
The Kawai would be perfect if it had a mic 🎤 jack and a better quality case. For this reason I might get the Roland FP90X since I sing and play. Any other solutions you would advise? Great review kind gracious loyal sir
Gustavo Paul: Remember that the FP60X has the mic input too, and it's much cheaper, and much lighter to carry than the FP90X. I think that the 60X is Roland's best value for money piano and possibly the best deal available among digital pianos. Roland sounds have improved a lot. I wouldn't rely (solely) on the internal speakers of any portable instrument, not even for practice, and if you're not getting exactly the patches you want anyway, why buy the FP90X? It's the most expensive "portable" digital piano there is. Anything costing more than 1500 euros has to belong to a superior piano category in my book: stage piano, hybrid, whatever...
But you love the Shigeru sound. A tiny mixer will cost almost nothing and will probably give better and quicker mic mixing results at gigs. You might be able to velcro it onto another piece of equipment to save bringing a mixer stand. I presume that the ES920 has a stereo line input.
@@Zoco101 thank you kind sir. I ended up getting the Kawai ES520 since the 920s have stopped production for now. Which mixer do you recommend? I’d like to be able to sing and play
I’m buying the kawai es920. I also bought a Kithouse s9 wireless mic that sounded beautiful for 219cdn. The price if es920+ Kithouse is still way lower than the fp90x.
yey finally!! thank you!
Beautifully clear comparison. I've returned to it several times in my efforts to decide the piano I need.
The calm and painstaking approach seen here is much preferable, in my view, to the more dramatic effects of more recent videos.
Thanks so much! We're glad you found the video helpful. Also, we appreciate your feedback on the various production approaches we've taken with our videos. I'll be sure to pass it along to our production team. :)
10:20 Roland FP-90X sound 11:44 Kawai ES920 sound
Thank you! :)
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It is really pity, that the Kawai doesn't have a USB-Audio connection. I really like how it feels. I suspect the Bluetooth MIDI to device and then the audio back through the Bluetooth to the piano would have a substantial delay.
There would likely be some latency in that latter scenario. It will be interesting to see if Kawai follows suit with other manufacturers by including USB-Audio interfaces into their next generation models.
@@MerriamPianosthank you for the comment. I expect an update in the upcoming 1-2 years.
In the TV world people calibrate colors for best color accuracy. How about in digital piano world having a setting configuration to produce famous piano sounds? Steinway and Fazioli to name two. I realize there are many music styles, but I think classical music does not get much attention anymore.
There are a number of VST plug-ins that model and sample famous/iconic piano sounds. But, I do agree that it would be an exciting feature to include onboard a digital piano. :)
The only problem with the Roland is that when you look at the bundles from each company the furniture-type stands are way off in price. The Kawai is right at $259 and the Roland is areound $500. That means if you only want the keyboard and stand the Kawai is around $2150 and the Roland is around $2650. For about the same stand I would say the Roland seems to be a little price gouging.😮
There are some pretty large gaps between manufacturers when it comes to accessories such as stands and triple pedalboards. I am not entirely sure as to the reasoning behind it, but, in my experiences, both Kawai and Roland make incredibly durable and reliable accessories for their instruments.
Roland is overpriced (I had FP-90x with a stand and 3 other Roland digital pianos).
you did a good thing with action by putting your iPhone on three keys-the Kawai would go down and the Roland wouldn't-I found this very revealing.
We're glad that you found it helpful and informative! :)