You know, I wasn't around for Evey bit of the old lore so I may have missed something... How did the Thran just so easily believe in Yawgmoth. I mean those were some pretty weird... (sees card) Oh...Yawgmoth was hot. OK got it
I strongly recommend watching Spice 8 Rack's video on Yawgmoth! He gets into Yawgmoth's story and his practice of eugenics in lore. Super fascinating stuff.
So important thing. Just because you remove the counter, renowned is not removed. Therefore, all the spells should be shocking people while scab clan is in play.
Good to see Yawgmoth is as busted as I hoped. I may need to work more Proliferate synergies into my version of the deck, as I hadn't really considered that angle (and based on this there's a lot of potential in that ability).
I have a list that is similar in that I'm trying to use yawgmoth and all his abilities (little more on budget side). I sadly didn't have all the creatures I'd like to have for sacrifice effects and missing about 15 cards but my group let me play it any way so I can get a feel for it and ho.ly. crap he is AMAZING super fun super tough would recommend building
Sad to see Slivers get killed first. They are my favorite tribe. Granted, I get targeted every time because of the sheer fact that it’s a Sliver deck and it scares everyone at the table. Like, sure, they’re powerful, but don’t ignore that Grave Pact deck or that Combo deck across the table.
things can not enter the stack in the middle of a spells resolution. meaning the sac for living end and the creatures returning has to fully finish before any other things can start to resolve.
This struck me as wrong as well. I thought the triggers were from Max sacrificing things prior to Living End resolving. After reading the replies here, I realize now that the triggers were from things being sacrificed to the Living End itself. Makes more sense now.
The First Sliver can be extremely powerful, but Martin's version is not it. To unlock the First Sliver's full potential, you have to play sliver-storm. He however ran planeswalkers and a lot of other non-sliver cards. Also forgetting to cascade from his Horned Sliver was absolutely crushing. He could've cascaded into a Crystalline Sliver, Crypt Sliver or Cloudshredder Sliver. With the Cloudshredder Sliver, then he would've had enough damage on board to kill Max on turn 6.
It seemed like it was built around cascading into Living End, which is fine sometimes but if you're facing off against a deck that can manipulate the graveyard like happened here, you probably want a backup win condition.
Although its nice to see Yawgmoth's power, as I want to build one, i just hate to see games lost to grave pact. Its just such a non game when that thing hits the field
Surprised that no one had enchantment removal to handle Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos. Half-expected Nick to tutor for Perilous Vault or Oblivion Stone with that Inventor's Fair.
It probably wouldn't matter but removing the counter from a renown creature doesn't stop it from being renowned and Max should've taken damage from it at around 11:15.
Maybe I missed it but why did Tarek not use the temporal trespass near the end to get another turn? It looks like that would have given him a turn to swing with the Phantasm at Nick and ninja in Yuriko when Max looked tapped out. Might not have guaranteed a win but could have been a chance.
I'm just curious but do you still come over to Montréal sometimes to play games? Watching your videos and some others' made me interested in playing paper again and I'm likely going to order some cards to make my first EDH deck next month and it would be amazing to be able to play with ya.
@@MTGMuddstah Nice, that's just about a 1 hour bus ride away from where I live. Far, but then the other closest LGS is about 45 minutes away so not much of a change overall.
Although it would never do so well in my pod because of all the enchantment removal they run since we determined that they are the most powerful and difficult to remove cards in magic
@@garra277 there are two in the deck, blasphemous act with spiteful sliver out(I only have this in the deck as a backup plan), and a second more complicated combo that involved morophon, hibernation sliver, first sliver, and any of the 5 color legendary slivers. The combo basically lets you cast the legendary sliver over and over again for 2 life, which cascades into something 4 cmc or less, and you do this until you have enough slivers to win, or you can't pay any more life. The only problem is it took 10 minutes for me to complete this line of play :-)
@@baconeatan4121 I see i like the idea of morpheon, but i haven't picked him up. I've been looking around to find some better tech for the first sliver and those two ideas seem good enough to me.
@@baconeatan4121 have you thought about any of the no mana suspend cards? I'm actually thinking crashing footfalls, lotus bloom, living end, mox tantalite, wheel of fate, and hypergenesis. Mainly getting value from a 1 cost sliver seems good to me.
Slivers are by far my favorite tribe and I will make a First Sliver commander deck as soon as I can but I have never made a commander deck before (just used friends decks or slightly modified precons) what cards should I include preferably on a budget?
That's a fairly difficult question to answer as there are many, many viable options in commander. I'd suggest checking out EDHrec's page for The First Sliver. It will give you ideas of what other people are using to build the deck. Furthermore, there is a "Cheap" option under the budget subsection which will provide more budget options (which in the case of slivers basically means a cheap mana base and none of the other 5 color slivers). I've also linked it below if you just want to follow that. edhrec.com/commanders/the-first-sliver-budget-budget
You don’t get to cascade off of another cascaded spell. For cascade to trigger you need to cast a spell from your hand So Martin didn’t forget the Horned Sliver trigger because there wouldn’t have been one. Right?
Cascade triggers just on casting the spell. You can cascade into a cascade into a cascade into something cheap as the costs go down every time. But it works.
Because sacrificing the creatures and bringing the ones back from the graveyard are part of the spells resolution. You do it all at once, so the triggers go onto the stack once the creatures have been brought back.
I may be missing something, and it didn't end up mattering anyway, but I don't believe Nick could have cracked his Inventors' Fair because he only controlled 2 artifacts at the time.
You're half right! "Each player exiles all creature cards from their graveyard, then sacrifices all creatures they control, then puts all cards they exiled this way onto the battlefield."
@@TabooX1984 Static Orb to prevent players from untapping. Then you just use Urza to tap it so you get a full untap. Paradox Engine and 5 artifacts is infinite; Tap 5, use the 5 for Urza. If you cast anything, untap and do it again. Playing any of the 0 mana artifacts and something like Paradoxical Outcome to return them all to your hand and recast them while drawing cards? Rebuild and Hurkyls Recall to also bounce them and make a bunch of mana? Storm count allot! How about using Aetherflux to dome players after Storming off or literally any of the Storm cards? How about cards like Efficient Construction and Sai to make Thopters that ALSO tap for mana? Playing 3 0 drop artifacts literally just netted you 6 mana for free. Not to mention you are likely playing Urza out ASAP, so you are likely playing a bunch of the fast mana to play him out REALLY early and get this engine going. Basically, it'd be an uninteresting game of comeone playing solitaire till they win, get interrupted or run out of gas and just pass the turn
@@TabooX1984 Yes, or a game of solitaire to see if they win this turn. A 20 minute game would then turn into an hour or longer, and the game will most likely just be fastforwarded through. Or, if there IS an Urza deck, it might be apart of a Double Feature, cause the game was so quick. Basically, the game will not be much interaction and will be more like "Can you stop me? No? Ok I will win the game now". Believe me, I played against a Momir deck and it was like that. "Can you stop me? No? Ok I'll play solitaire for the next 20 minutes to win", while the rest of us go "Ok so you won...we are going to keep the same game going just without you..."
I'm confused as to why Martin would lose when he did. All of the sacrificing occurred before Living End was cast, so the triggers would go off on an empty board, then Living End would cast, yes he could have sacrificed them after they came in from Living End, but then he wouldn't have had that big a board afterwards
I think Yawgmoth might eat a ban before long. This was the fairest deck I've ever seen built around him, and he still crushed everyone with pure value.
We have a yuriko Deck in our playgroup and it's brutal. He normaly doesen't win but deals like 80-120 damage devided between his opponents. Manipulating your deck and extra turn spells are just so unfair with yuriko, especially nexus of fate and beacon of tomorrow.
![Commander VS S16E1: Ayula VS Urza VS The First Sliver VS Yawgmoth [EDH]](/img/n.gif)
I'm glad your voice is not completely lost to the Dark Side... and Yawgmoth is amazing.
You know, I wasn't around for Evey bit of the old lore so I may have missed something... How did the Thran just so easily believe in Yawgmoth. I mean those were some pretty weird...
(sees card)
Oh...Yawgmoth was hot. OK got it
He saved them from an epidemic caused by their powerstones!
Yawgmoth is basically Sauron. Powerful, Intelligent, Charismatic. And wholly evil.
It was those eyeliners. +5 Charisma
I strongly recommend watching Spice 8 Rack's video on Yawgmoth! He gets into Yawgmoth's story and his practice of eugenics in lore. Super fascinating stuff.
"And that's a real bargain." Your subtle humor is incredible, hope you get better soon!
As soon as I saw grave pack I was like "whelp that's game lol"
So important thing. Just because you remove the counter, renowned is not removed. Therefore, all the spells should be shocking people while scab clan is in play.
Good to know!
Basics from Premium deck: Slivers. Good choice Martin!
This was superfun to watch. Also, Danse Macabre as soundtrack was an awesome choice, dude!
FINALLY! I've been waiting for you to have a game with a Yawgmoth player. He's sooooooo much fun!!!
4:36 Tarek should have lost 3 life to the Hall of the Bandit Lord
Good to see Yawgmoth is as busted as I hoped. I may need to work more Proliferate synergies into my version of the deck, as I hadn't really considered that angle (and based on this there's a lot of potential in that ability).
Pj's intros are my favorite
I really want to make a Yawgmoth deck! He looks amazing! 😃
I have a list that is similar in that I'm trying to use yawgmoth and all his abilities (little more on budget side). I sadly didn't have all the creatures I'd like to have for sacrifice effects and missing about 15 cards but my group let me play it any way so I can get a feel for it and ho.ly. crap he is AMAZING super fun super tough would recommend building
Sad to see Slivers get killed first. They are my favorite tribe. Granted, I get targeted every time because of the sheer fact that it’s a Sliver deck and it scares everyone at the table. Like, sure, they’re powerful, but don’t ignore that Grave Pact deck or that Combo deck across the table.
Very nice - First Yawgmoth video and it's brilliant!
Man, the music always reminds me of my high school orchestra days. Great video!
Hello from the future. Thanks for the Yawgmoth idea.
I'm so excited. I get to play my yawgmoth deck for the first time tonight. This is a sign!
How did it go?)
@@cosmotect It went well. Super fun synergy. Ate so many counter spells lol
@@mattky6361 hahah, thats cool :) nice to know he is fun, I want to build him too
Redirecting city of brass to protector of the crown is so slick lol
Man that was some powerful magic comin from everyone. jeesh Lol
Also js, “Tarek” is a real cool name :)
FINALLY YAWGMOTH!
How does the pact triggers get put on the stack to resolve after Living End?
things can not enter the stack in the middle of a spells resolution. meaning the sac for living end and the creatures returning has to fully finish before any other things can start to resolve.
Yeah... same question
Ryan Davidson they don’t.
This struck me as wrong as well. I thought the triggers were from Max sacrificing things prior to Living End resolving. After reading the replies here, I realize now that the triggers were from things being sacrificed to the Living End itself. Makes more sense now.
@@fickett7870 I honestly wasn't aware that you for explaining as I was confused as well
The First Sliver can be extremely powerful, but Martin's version is not it.
To unlock the First Sliver's full potential, you have to play sliver-storm. He however ran planeswalkers and a lot of other non-sliver cards. Also forgetting to cascade from his Horned Sliver was absolutely crushing. He could've cascaded into a Crystalline Sliver, Crypt Sliver or Cloudshredder Sliver. With the Cloudshredder Sliver, then he would've had enough damage on board to kill Max on turn 6.
It seemed like it was built around cascading into Living End, which is fine sometimes but if you're facing off against a deck that can manipulate the graveyard like happened here, you probably want a backup win condition.
That Yawgmoth deck was so sick, gg wp
That yawgmoth is so good, I’m excited that I’m almost done with mine
Same here, my compleated friend!
Although its nice to see Yawgmoth's power, as I want to build one, i just hate to see games lost to grave pact. Its just such a non game when that thing hits the field
F for my boy martin who plays Sliver and dies of an honorable and self-inflicted death
Not surprised Yawgmoth won in the slightest. He's an absolute monster, incredibly oppressive, controlling, and powerful.
Jacob Jensen everyone was so focused on Urza being godly that Yawgmoth went under the radar lol
0:48 game starts
Loved this match building my own yawgmoth deck
Super cool to see the new MH legends glad that they both got to perform so well
Nice, was waiting for this.
was expecting a food chain first sliver xD
Yawgmoth is the friggin best. Once he lands it is straight up trouble town. Great game!
Surprised that no one had enchantment removal to handle Grave Pact and Dictate of Erebos. Half-expected Nick to tutor for Perilous Vault or Oblivion Stone with that Inventor's Fair.
The grave pact and dictate triggers would have resolved before living end resolves. 13:21. There would be no triggers on the stack. Whoops.
Those triggers are from the creatures dying from living end. He din't sacrificed all of them prior like Yawgmoth for example
TheRedGauntlet those triggers I got. He made it sound like he was adding more sack triggers to the stack
I am pretty happy to see gameplay for the new commanders from Modern Horizons.
It probably wouldn't matter but removing the counter from a renown creature doesn't stop it from being renowned and Max should've taken damage from it at around 11:15.
Good to know!
Awesome decks everyone!
Maybe I missed it but why did Tarek not use the temporal trespass near the end to get another turn? It looks like that would have given him a turn to swing with the Phantasm at Nick and ninja in Yuriko when Max looked tapped out. Might not have guaranteed a win but could have been a chance.
Nevermind I forgot Yawgmoth's minus counters cost life not mana and the Dictate would have been enough to kill the Phantasm or Yuriko.
Yawgmoth is such a strong commander. I've played against one that was unbearable to play against
And it makes you think: for all his power he is arguably the SECOND most powerful commander from Modern Horizons...
He’s so amazingly fun to play aswell!
@@Zanzibawrr see it makes me want to play him but I don't know if I will have the conscience to see my playgroup again after lmao
@@MrKisameHoshigaki yea isn't that wild?
Kayden i built the deck immediately after yawgmoth was spoiled and now that i have played with it i Can assure you that conscience is overrated
When do we get the Yuriko list?
I like how martin is casually playing with a 800e deck ;_;
Yawgmoth is gross but anyone could have told you that when it was previewed. The first sliver also seems pretty good lmao. Great video
He got to set up without any disruption from the others (and Yuriko showed 4 lands before the first spell iirc?).
@@armoric that's a fair observation. I just think a lot of people underestimate the utility of Yawgmoth's abilities
what if you actually kick a kicker spell? Just wondering since some of the spells have kicker in their costs.
That was a good game, after seeing the First Sliver in action I want one for my sliver deck. Sweet vid
I'm just curious but do you still come over to Montréal sometimes to play games? Watching your videos and some others' made me interested in playing paper again and I'm likely going to order some cards to make my first EDH deck next month and it would be amazing to be able to play with ya.
I do, but mostly on weekends to visit family. I'm sometimes at L'Abyss in St-Michel on Sunday.
@@MTGMuddstah Nice, that's just about a 1 hour bus ride away from where I live. Far, but then the other closest LGS is about 45 minutes away so not much of a change overall.
Although it would never do so well in my pod because of all the enchantment removal they run since we determined that they are the most powerful and difficult to remove cards in magic
A PJ opening? This is gonna be a good one.
Martin's first sliver deck seemed good, it is interesting to see how different people brew different decks, my first sliver deck is comb based
What's the combo?
@@garra277 there are two in the deck, blasphemous act with spiteful sliver out(I only have this in the deck as a backup plan), and a second more complicated combo that involved morophon, hibernation sliver, first sliver, and any of the 5 color legendary slivers. The combo basically lets you cast the legendary sliver over and over again for 2 life, which cascades into something 4 cmc or less, and you do this until you have enough slivers to win, or you can't pay any more life. The only problem is it took 10 minutes for me to complete this line of play :-)
@@baconeatan4121 I see i like the idea of morpheon, but i haven't picked him up. I've been looking around to find some better tech for the first sliver and those two ideas seem good enough to me.
@@garra277 Thanks!!!
@@baconeatan4121 have you thought about any of the no mana suspend cards? I'm actually thinking crashing footfalls, lotus bloom, living end, mox tantalite, wheel of fate, and hypergenesis. Mainly getting value from a 1 cost sliver seems good to me.
"and no longer having trample" I think you mean double strike. The First Sliver still had trample
Slivers are by far my favorite tribe and I will make a First Sliver commander deck as soon as I can but I have never made a commander deck before (just used friends decks or slightly modified precons) what cards should I include preferably on a budget?
That's a fairly difficult question to answer as there are many, many viable options in commander. I'd suggest checking out EDHrec's page for The First Sliver. It will give you ideas of what other people are using to build the deck. Furthermore, there is a "Cheap" option under the budget subsection which will provide more budget options (which in the case of slivers basically means a cheap mana base and none of the other 5 color slivers). I've also linked it below if you just want to follow that.
edhrec.com/commanders/the-first-sliver-budget-budget
@@TheBalogna7 thank you so much! I'll definitely check it out!
Not a single enchantment hate card to be seen, yeah I guess that means mono black wins
enchantment hate is the least played hate outside of green though
Are y'all in Canada only or do some of yall live in the U.S.? I'd really love to join y'all for a game session or 2
I originally was in Montreal, used to live in New Jersey, and am now currently living in Ottawa.
finally first sliver wow
Good lord Yawgmoth is amazing
You don’t get to cascade off of another cascaded spell.
For cascade to trigger you need to cast a spell from your hand
So Martin didn’t forget the Horned Sliver trigger because there wouldn’t have been one.
Right?
Cascade triggers just on casting the spell. You can cascade into a cascade into a cascade into something cheap as the costs go down every time. But it works.
How did the gravepact triggers occur after everyone got their board back? Wouldn't they go on the stack after the recur affect and then resolve first?
Because sacrificing the creatures and bringing the ones back from the graveyard are part of the spells resolution. You do it all at once, so the triggers go onto the stack once the creatures have been brought back.
Is there anyway that we can send you games to put on your channel??
Not currently, but it's something I might be doing in the future!
I may be missing something, and it didn't end up mattering anyway, but I don't believe Nick could have cracked his Inventors' Fair because he only controlled 2 artifacts at the time.
I see the new sliver!
Doesn't living end make you exile your creatures in play and then put them in the graveyard? I don't think the grave pact should've triggered
You're half right! "Each player exiles all creature cards from their graveyard, then sacrifices all creatures they control, then puts all cards they exiled this way onto the battlefield."
It triggers because you sacrifice all creatures in play.
@@MTGMuddstah oh, thanks for clearing that up
Why did nick put his first counter on black market ? Not like it’d matter but well....
Slivers getting hated on at the table as usual
WTB: enchantment removal
Y don’t u do a only goblin commanders zada, krenko mob boss, darriti, and the other krenko
But not as slick as cascading into living end on someone else’s turn DAMN
For how many times nick re-cast his commanders, I really wanted to see a skull storm
I run Skull Storm in my Vial / Tymna build!
@@MTGMuddstah the storm cycle was neat, but kinda underpowered in my opinion. But in a partner commander deck, I think they really shine
yawgmoth is brutal!
As awesome as Yawgmoth was, I'd like to see Urza in action on this channel 👍
And then they play Winter Orb and we sit here for several years as people try to untap their lands to play things
@@TheFoxlover93 Aight. Winter Orb is in the deck. What else? Stasis?
@@TabooX1984 Static Orb to prevent players from untapping. Then you just use Urza to tap it so you get a full untap. Paradox Engine and 5 artifacts is infinite; Tap 5, use the 5 for Urza. If you cast anything, untap and do it again. Playing any of the 0 mana artifacts and something like Paradoxical Outcome to return them all to your hand and recast them while drawing cards? Rebuild and Hurkyls Recall to also bounce them and make a bunch of mana? Storm count allot! How about using Aetherflux to dome players after Storming off or literally any of the Storm cards? How about cards like Efficient Construction and Sai to make Thopters that ALSO tap for mana? Playing 3 0 drop artifacts literally just netted you 6 mana for free. Not to mention you are likely playing Urza out ASAP, so you are likely playing a bunch of the fast mana to play him out REALLY early and get this engine going.
Basically, it'd be an uninteresting game of comeone playing solitaire till they win, get interrupted or run out of gas and just pass the turn
@@TheFoxlover93 So, the game would be more of an Archenemy game than a Commander game?
@@TabooX1984 Yes, or a game of solitaire to see if they win this turn. A 20 minute game would then turn into an hour or longer, and the game will most likely just be fastforwarded through. Or, if there IS an Urza deck, it might be apart of a Double Feature, cause the game was so quick.
Basically, the game will not be much interaction and will be more like "Can you stop me? No? Ok I will win the game now". Believe me, I played against a Momir deck and it was like that. "Can you stop me? No? Ok I'll play solitaire for the next 20 minutes to win", while the rest of us go "Ok so you won...we are going to keep the same game going just without you..."
Yuriko deck build?
Nick prob had over 100 mana total from that black market over the course of the game, and didn’t do anything with it
If only he ran Drain Life!
Anyone notice Max is playing Westvale Abby which is an illegal card due to color for Yawgmoth?
The color identity for Westvale Abbey is actually black. Max was fine running it.
The other three deck didn’t run removal for some reason. They deserve to lose.
Came to see if your S’s are too hard. They’re absolutely not. They’re just fine.
WotC finally delivered the true icons of Magic in Horizons. Yawgmoth is so flavorful in so many ways. ^_^
I don't believe Max could of brought back nether and sac creatures as playing lands do not use the stack
Never mind the etb trigger uses the stack not the land itself
Sack lock oh yay...
Yawgmoth doesn’t look like too much fun to play against.
Yawmoth doesn't look like it is fun to play against a sigarda deck.
still no yuriko list.....oof
Gimme a shadowborne apostle game dad
I'm confused as to why Martin would lose when he did. All of the sacrificing occurred before Living End was cast, so the triggers would go off on an empty board, then Living End would cast, yes he could have sacrificed them after they came in from Living End, but then he wouldn't have had that big a board afterwards
On turn 6, when Nick drew a card in his endstep, he wasn't allowed to do so because Tarek became the monarch when connecting with Martin.
Huge mistake
10:22 😂😂😂
I think Yawgmoth might eat a ban before long. This was the fairest deck I've ever seen built around him, and he still crushed everyone with pure value.
Can we all agree that we want to see “me” play with the new mh commander
Fact or fiction is not a sliver it doesn't get cascade
You're correct, however Maelstrom Nexus gives the first spell Martin casts a turn Cascade, so it did get it in this case.
Digga
Digga
You really needs a better Intro !!!!
The S sounds in your audio are super harsh. Makes it hard to listen to. Love the videos otherwise!
I'm working on fixing that. I need to find an email someone sent me on how to soften them.
Lol Yawgmoth as a commander
PLEASE, MAKE 1VS1 CMD VÍDEOS!!!
I don't really play 1 versus 1
@@MTGMuddstah I love your videos
Yuriko making almost nothing as always. People really don't know how to build her well.
Grave Pact is also a problem
We have a yuriko Deck in our playgroup and it's brutal. He normaly doesen't win but deals like 80-120 damage devided between his opponents. Manipulating your deck and extra turn spells are just so unfair with yuriko, especially nexus of fate and beacon of tomorrow.
this guys sliver deck is terrible.
vial smasher has been on so many videos and never won
why do people use him he is so bad omfg