ROB ZOMBIE'S HALLOWEEN 2 (2009) - WTF Happened to this Horror Movie?
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- After his re-imagining of Halloween was finished and released, Rob Zombie wanted nothing to do with the series going forward. The Weinstein Brothers were hell to work with, and Zombie felt too beholden to the events of the original 1978 film. Yet, he had a deep connection to the version of the characters he created and reluctantly agreed to return for a sequel. If only to keep the ship on the correct course and make sure things didn't go off the deep end.
Hoping that he'd be granted more trust and freedom on the sequel after the success of the first was a fool's errand. With studio interference, budget cuts, and everything in between, Halloween 2 was anything but a smooth ride. So what exactly happened? Join us on our latest episode as we dive into Halloween 2 and find out WTF Happened To This Horror Movie?
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The movie really lost me when Rob Zombie's wife suddenly appeared as a ghostly, evil spirit on a white horse.
Come on, you know he HAS to put his wife in everything he does. Whether or not it makes literally any sense or ruins the movie. He just HAS TO!
Self indulgence.... Vanity
Same here, I remember turning the movie off after it
Lori/Angel actually killed Michael in Rob Zombies 1st Halloween. In this film all the scenes with Michael in it are visions from Lori/Angel due to abusing prescribed medication. The White Horse might make since to everyone with that in mind. Also watch the directors cut ending which is a day and night difference between the Theatrical cut.
Movie lost everyone else when the movie started with a 20 minute dream sequence.
After realizing the first 20 minutes are a dream, you’re pretty much wondering if the rest of the movie is a giant dream sequence as well. Then after watching it, you hope it is
Oh do you??
Haha agree
I love this film haha
Hope someone makes an edit so the movie is a dream and the hospital scene is what actually happens lol
The dream sequence is the only part I liked. I loved the first one though.
The kill scenes in the second movie were really heavy. I still get teary-eyed when the sheriff sees his daughter has been killed by Michael and he has flashbacks of her as a little girl, while he says, “No..no..no…no.” Over and over again.
As much as I think it’s sad and gruesome, it’s beautifully done. Brad Dourif was amazing in that scene.
@@dahlialilly Brad is great as villains or good guys. I actually like it when actors known for playing villains, psychos, etc like Brad and Jeffrey Combs play more good characters.
Only good part of the film
yeah its a *needlessly mean* movie, i dont recommend to anyone. i know its a Halloween movie by Rob Zombie, but its still a mainstream franchise with a wide release.
i believe that creates an element of dishonesty between the film and the audience, where we can rightfully expect to be scared but entertained... but in my experience i felt gross for watching and it put me on a downer.
I loved that part. RZ makes the audience face the emotional consequences of murder and violence, how trauma lingers, like in Laurie's PTSD, her argument with her therapist because ultimately her therapy is useless to address her suffering, it addresses true crime exploitation and how it harms survivors.
Nothing will ever top the 1978 original. In my eyes it’s a masterpiece.
You can definitely argue that the 2018 sequel is as good if not a little better. I enjoy both. Rob Zombies first remake was also good.
I don't know. None of the Halloween films are that good. Rob Zombie's first movie is the best of all of them.
@@travismord4175 house of 1000 corpses is good, that’s his first movie right?
@@canontheory yep!
@@travismord4175 badass movie, devils rejects was pretty good too
I genuinely love the opening for this film. It felt great and brutal. Then it was all a dream and then suddenly all the characters are unbearable and Laurie’s hair looks matted and mangy.
Because Rob needs to make every character resemble him. Even the women. I'm surprised he didn't give her a beard.
I think her hair was supposed to depict the changes that had happened to her and the difficult time she was having. Totally different from the school nerd she was in high school
Octavia’s death is pretty brutal. She way she screams and cries is very realistic. I remember actually feeling uncomfortable watching it.
The knife stabs in that opening scene were terrifyingly violent.
“Octavia”...so you’re on a first name basis with her?
@@07foxmulder In dream sequences im on first names terms with everyone, also I AM THE WIZARDMASTER!
Words can't describe how freaking good of an actress Octavia Spencer is
@@07foxmulder I call her Aunty Ocky😊
It’s HILARIOUS to me that all us horror fans LOVED the first half of RZombie’s Halloween more than the second half of the film!
“Likes the first half better.” You’ve never talked to me Mr. Zombie.
I know, why hasn't he talked to anyone who liked neither of the halves?
Most people I know, including myself, dislike the first half and like or at least don't hate the second half of the first movie. There's elements of the origin story that just doesn't sit right with me.
@@nicholas4252 It’s okay at best the first few scenes are straight trash. The Smiths groves scenes are decent too.
An over-explanation of Michael's motivations to kill that feels more like a desperate justification because of how aggressively unlikeable EVERY character is written was easily the worst part of the movie imo
My biggest complaint about the remake is it took out the mystery of Meyers and became a text book cliche explination of how one becomes a psychopath. I mean the kid hurt animals had a crap family life and was bullied... I found the whole first half unnecessary. What makes Meyers so unnerving is his lack of motive.
I saw the 2nd one at the theater and never saw it again. It wasn't good.
Rob Zombie is only capable of making one movie. Everything he puts out is a variant on that one idea.
ROb zombie did an insane move with dr satan in 1000 corpse house ending but out of blue he deleted that (maybe the best part) from hes life ?
wtf
it was close to Dark Eldar (Haemonculus) torture scenario [WarHammer 40K] ....rob zombie dont deserve to direct movies anymore .lol
If he can’t put psycho hillbillies in it, he ain’t interested. Lol
@@keychainere that's why i'm afraid of whats he going to do to the Munsters.
@@keychainere exactally hahaha go back to old town road Rob xD
I agree. Hes kind of like a one hit wonder musician (when it comes to directing anyways) and everytime he tries to do anything different he shits the bed. He did 1 half decent hit 1 time and cant do anything else
I remember being so excited to see the movie. After watching the movie I left the theater confused...like what did I just watch?!?!
The cop that finds Laurie walking is one of the greatest actors I've ever seen in a movie
Aka Brad Dourif.
Rob had an appearance on the Nerdist podcast years ago and talked about what went wrong with this movie. It's amazing it even saw release or was completed. Some of the BS limitations they forced him to work with were crazy.
Too bad, it shouldn't have been released.
He also has DVD commentary and a behind the scenes documentary in the DVD about what went wrong. One of the most hilarious things was "prop guy decided it was cheaper to build a real wall instead of a breakaway wall, infuriating the actor in the Meyers mask."
Sounds like he’s full of excuses. He just makes bad movies honestly.
Odd, that sounds like exactly what was already said in this video. 🙄
Yeah but watch a handful of these videos at random and ALL of them are going to have crazy limitations.
Zombie didn't set forth any 'vision' for Halloween, that was John Carpenter and Debra Hill!
I must be the only person who enjoyed these movies from Zombie.
I liked these movies, too, friend.
People (horror fans) get well to snobby & harsh on his stuff, i think it's well good that he makes movies/comics/music always doing something creative.
I like them. I don’t think they’re brilliant filmmaking, but I really do enjoy them. I especially like the atmosphere, the rainy hospital parking lot, the grimy truck stop bathroom. It’s just fun
@@cognitivedissonance8406 His attention to detail, set & costume design are my favorite things in his films
Nope your not the only one I love his Halloween films too
Just saw both one single time. Absolutely enough. I have seen the originals dozens of times. That says it all.
Yea they are heartless
Oh, you poor bastard. I did the same and 🤔...
So how was Halloween: Resurrection, by the way…!?
I couldn't even finish part 2. Halfway through I cut it off and haven't watched it since. Worst horror movie I have ever seen.
Original is really overrated..
I love that you get a 13 minute video when the answer is simply “Rob Zombie happened”
I guess you’ve ignored Weinstein…
Maybe actually watch the video
The part of Dr Phil, the guest isn't wrong at all...
Yeah but that guys worse than Phil in real life unfortunately. Screw Phil and him
That's the guy who made the Bum Fights videos. Sure, Dr. Phil exploits people, but he's usually doing it to people who have opportunities to improve. The Bum Fights guy was exploiting people with no other options.
@@CurtisAlfeld they didnt have no other option. but Dr phils show is upfront as well, they apply or reach out and everything is set up before hand and agreed upon. That guy knew he would be on the show and that he would be criticized but he thought that getting the additional attention by being on phil was worth it anyway. its pretty equal and they are actually working together in many ways, like 2 boxers who fight and talk trash but ultimately people buy tickets and they both make great money and business.
@@CurtisAlfeld And yet Bumfights was still more entertaining than Zombie's H2.
Rob Zombie's Halloween movies you either love them or u hate them.
Or you just don’t watch them. That was the choice I went with
What if you love one and hate the other? Because that's me.
@@CeeJayThe13th Agreed.
Eh, not really in my case. I really enjoyed his interpretation of the original film. It wasn’t perfect, but had some interesting elements and was really scary! This film I HATED!
@J Brown HE A ONE HIT PONY GOT TO PUT HIS WIFE IN EVERY DAMN MOVIE SHE SHOULDNT SHOWN UP IN THE 2 MOVIE SHE WAS DEAD
Screw getting shot in the face, somebody ask Zombie how/why _young_ Michael also returns as a ghost!! And how is he able to physically restrain Laurie at one point? Did Zombie just forget that young and old Michael are not different people?
No, Rob has said that Michael, mentally, is frozen at that age. He never grew up from being young Michael in his mind. The ghosts of the Mom and young Michael are a delusion that Michael and Laurie are both sharing with each other. That’s why Laurie is being held down by a hallucination.
I really enjoyed Rob's version of the first Halloween but the 2nd one was a huge mess. I hated how Dr Loomis does a 180 in his character, especially after being almost killed by Michael in the first one. I also thought the white horse storyline was complete rubbish. The kills were the only redeeming aspect about the 2nd one in my opinion.
I used to hate the white horse aspect and believed it was only so Sheri had a role. I still believe it was only so Sheri had a role, but I think it could’ve worked had it been explained more. I think it was a hallucination symbolic of whatever plagued Michael’s mind and how Laurie had that same issue, it just kinda... slowly “opened” by her trauma and her time with him that first night. Idk I think he could’ve done something really interesting with that and add a deeper element.
I love this movie for how batshit crazy it is, and not being like all the other films.
It’s just like every other slasher movie though, nothing special
same yo you cant beat these Halloweens
This movie is fucking awful. It looks like a music video in some parts, like just get to the fucking kills. Too many unnecessary shots.
I enjoy it more than a chunk of the franchise. The directors cut made a huge difference. On the other hand, the theatrical cut was awful
the 1st halloween from rob zombie was not bad but the 2nd one was unwatchable
I actually enjoyed these more than the recent ones
My biggest complaint was how the beginning of the movie was just a dream sequence.
Agreed. I sorta like the movie but can't get past the fact that the first half hour means nothing. Complete filler.
That did feel really cheap
When I was younger i just thought of it as a memory but then i grew up and realized that makes no sense lol
A dream sequence might have worked better if it wasn't so long.
@@davidthieroff9452 They are showing you how traumatized she was and that she is not ok after the first movie. Such a stupid complaint. SMH 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Margot Kidder had three franchises under her belt with Superman, The Amityville Horror, and Halloween. And she had great chemistry with Scout 💙🤯🤩
I hated what they did to Dr. Loomis.
The only sympathetic character was Annie. The rest are HORRIBLE. It’s crazy what they did to Loomis .
His depiction in the first film is okay, but turning him into an egotistical publicity hound for the second is one of the biggest "what the fuck were they thinking?" transformations of an established character I've ever seen.
@@stefanfilipovits21 My thoughts exactly. The Bracketts were the only characters I cared about and sympathized with.
@@SlasherIncorporated and there was no point to their deaths at all, laurie doesn't even see them dead during the rest of the film
10:28 In the Halloween 2 commentary Zombie said everyday driving to work , his offices I guess at a time He kept seeing a White horse in a field off the side of the highway and figured it looked Cool , so he tossed it in his movie with no other signifigance at all to the story.
Or a way to get his wife in it
Sums his talent up as a film maker. Does it have meaning to the plot or characters? “No i just thought it looked cool”
@@tobydammit6599 Wtf???? Really Man?? That scene was the worst in all Halloween movies history...
@@tobydammit6599 Lack of talent? No one would pay you to do anything like make a movie or music. Stupid comment
@@rickvolcano6017 Hey Rob. Also tarantino is a hack who steals everything. That profile pic is embarrassing for anyone above the age of 18 and not in jr college film school.
What he did to Loomis was pretty cringe. Cringe is actually a good way to describe this movie as a whole.
@@travzimmerman1340 I agree it had so much potential but then turned into crap
@I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS Just wait till you see Loomis in the director's cut, he just even more unbearable in it
@J Brown not to mention the first movie Zombie made is almost a shot for shot remake of the original 1978 film. Aside form the first 45 minutes.
“A filmmaking experience Rob Zombie would like to forget.” It is also very much an experience the majority of fans would like to forget as well. Unfortunately, it is one of the best horror franchises to ever exist. So diehard fans like myself cannot just erase from memory. That being said, I hope it stains his memory just like it stains mine. He always blames the Weinsteins, but the movie was destined to suck just like all of his other movies. He refuses to let someone with talent write his movies, so they are all instantly doomed from the start. He is excels as a director, but he has the writing skills of a teenager going through a rough growth spurt.
I don't like Rob Zombie's movies in general just because he seems incapable or unwilling to write a likeable character that isn't an evil hillbilly nihilist, but no one should have had to put up with the Weinsteins
Rob Zombie’s Halloween movies are my favorite.
For some reason, the Rob Zombie Halloween films give me flashbacks to Ang Lee's Hulk movie. Because both give a sympathetic side of the monster.
They both are cliche backstories though, like they're just recycled ideas
@@luiscordova4582 hmm...
All I rememberer about seeing Halloween 2 was saying after the ending was "well that fucking sucked". Lol
Rob Zombie is full of shit. Nobody thought the first part of his Halloween remake where he gave us an unnecessary origin story was the best part. I can see why his Halloween 2 sucked so bad based on that delusion.
if that first 10 minutes is what he calls part of what people liked about part 1.......he an kiss my backside. that crap lost me for the entire film.
I like the back story myself.
I like the first movie but in the second when he took liberties with the characters he lost me.
I literally only love RZH for the 1st part with the backstory.... I turn it off after he breaks out. And I'm not the only one.
The first ten minutes was amazing, then ooof. Wife still laughs at me about the white horse
I love the Halloween franchise.
It's awesome.
I totally loved Robs version. was more savage and raw
RZH2 is a classic! Probably, the most brutal and sad murders in any Halloween film. We'll see how H Kills goes...
@CJ P. everyone sees it different. I disagree with you, but that's fine, right? Beers for everyone! 🍺
Rob Zombie's desperate attempts to give his wife as much screen time as possible surely shows in this horrendous display of filth. Vulgar mouth, 70's aesthetic and gore = RZ. I used to think RZ was bad at horror, until i watched Rzh1 and Rzh2, and now i think he is the worst. That's just my views of him as a film creator. Then my view of him personally went down as he lied on a legends' name. never piss off the best, John fuckin carpenter.
…So did Halloween: Resurrection did any better…!?
Still, I’m surprised you didn’t mentioned Paul WS Anderson & Milla…
What are you, a priest? And stop hating on her. It's not hip.
@@fernie-fernandez gaaawwd, seriously! Paul Anderson and Milla = garbage. I like very little (first R.E. is alright, and I think Event Horizon receive's too much hate) of his filmography to begin with, but he can't make a video game adaptation, or write a story, to save his life. Friends in high places HAS to be how he keep's getting funded. I can think of no other reason, as the last couple of his "films" have not exactly been box office smashes.
Alright, I am climbing off the soap box. 😏
Halloween 78 is boring and dated imo...
@@rolmodel12. I mean jeez, how did Event Horizon and Pandorum failed badly for him?
Were they having a contest for the most brutal death scene because they let Octavia Spencer's Nurse Daniels HAVE IT.
A lot of victims that get killed in slashers you're like, "That's what you get. You shouldn't have been investigating those noises or having sex in the woods." I think they were trying to contrast Zombie's Halloween 2 with the death of the nurse in Carpenter's Halloween II, but that death felt like overkill. I genuinely felt bad for Nurse Daniels
kinda like in RZH1 with Danny Trejo's death.
For all the crap Zombie gets for his Halloweens look what he did with such horrible working conditions. The man is a great film maker.
I guess I'm one of the few that enjoyed all his movies, I really liked both of his Halloween movies and I'm looking forward to the Munsters..
Oh thanks a lot, just ruined my day. Can't believe they'd let him touch the Munsters 😭
Rob Zombie's version was the absolute worse.
He reduced Michael's motivation to being from a dysfunctional family. He moved about like Leather-Face, as oppose to the ghostly sleepwalking type boogieman. I guess we could appreciate the visuals, like the mask and the poster. It had good parts, but on a whole it was crappy. It felt like it was geared specifically for a Rob Zombie audience. Rob Zombie's other movies were classics, but HALLOWEEN was Zombie out of his lane. HALLOWEEN was a project for someone who understands how to create an unseen, stalking mysterious dreadnought that moved in and out of the shadows. Zombie's films had killers who were real humans, but very, very twisted. And an element that was ignored in most of the sequals was Michael's eyes. Not seeing his eyes, but just darkness, added to his mystery.
Rob Zombie really made the Halloween kills feel real. I still can remember the scene where the guy gets hit in the head with the bat and his twitching or when he cuts the guys neck off with a piece of glass lol
I think Rob miss understood.. most people don't like the first half ....or the second half! Lol.
Lmao
“The dream sequence” in Halloween 2 was the best part. After that…smh it’s ass
And you can’t even really give Rob full credit for that because that was from the original Halloween 2
Original halloween 2 didn’t look that brutal and cinematic lol
They weren’t too bad of movies. I enjoyed the alternate telling of the two first movies. I still watch them both in October.
There is a coterie of internet film nerds who consider Halloween 2 one of the great works of visual art so far this century. While I'm not one of them, it is a hilariously misunderstood film that deserves as much recognition as at least most of the original films. Zombie's love of the possibilities of colour and digital photography is deeply infectious.
i need that documentary like yesterday
Zombie is a pretty good example of an artist that first falls for the (short lived) hype around him and his work and later on starts to believe his own bullshit
I had no idea they let Rob Zombie do a sequel!! Lol holy crap, now I gotta watch it- I love a "so bad it's good" movie
it is actually better than the first one, I love it.
@Lt.Dangle I am just sick of watching Jamie Lee Curtis ruining the movies, she is just a cheesy actress
I actually kinda dig Zombies films, even H2. The first one and Devils Rejects makes for a great double feature. I know H2 isn’t very good and most fans hate it but I can enjoy it for the sick take on anxiety and trauma the film focuses on. The whole movie feels like a fever dream. Very artsy, even executed poorly
I loved this movie, especially the hospital scenes. Thought it was entertaining.
It’s my second favorite
Rob zombies Halloween 2 is a great movie,I think it's one of the 3 best films he made along with part 1 and devil's rejects.
RIP donald pleasence that knockoff version of you is not how I remember loomis “aye lonnie get yo ass away from there”
I sat through about half of the first one. I had zero interest in the second.
It was unbearable lol
It's because Rob didn't want to do a follow up, he regarded as a one and done-I agree. But they were gonna do it anyway, so he basically took the money and ran. I remember watching this and going "WTF".
I actually liked... most of this movie. And Scout Taylor-Compton makes an amazing Magenta. And weirdly I think Zombie got worse at gore after this.
But the downside? What a fucking abusive use of the Loomis character and Malcolm McDowell.
As someone who loves the character of Loomis, I was initially really upset about his treatment in H2, as well. But you know what, it's actually really grown on me.
All of the characters in H2 are characters doomed by fate, wrangled in by inescapable destiny. This actually gave Loomis an arc by having him attempt to distance himself from his fate, trying to prosper, live a wealthy and peaceful life. But in the end, he knows he can't do it, that it is somehow wrong, and he returns to what gives him purpose, dying alongside the monster he felt he helped to create, or put another way, the boy he failed to save. It's the only movie besides the original where Loomis is really explored as a character.
@J Brown I AGREE ROB ZOMBIE SUCKS GOT PUT HIS WIFE IN EVERY DAMN MOVIE HE DOSE I LIKE THE ORIGINAL 2 HOLLWEENS BETTER THEN THIS SHIT
This movie has something really strange going for it, i guess its the dream like atmosphere, the completely different take on Michael and Loomis, the intensity of the violence, and especially the opening act. I really dislike Rob Zombie but if it werent for interference, he couldve actually crafted something unique within a repetitive franchise
Rob Zombie's Halloween and Halloween II were horrendous, and the actress who portrayed Laurie was awful and Zombie's wife was only there because he wanted her to have a prominent rol because of nepotism. The only redeeming things in those movies were Malcolm McDowell and Danielle Harris.
Wait till you see Paul WS Anderson…
y’all ever wonder if they ever get tired of trying to end michael? like doesn’t that get boring? at some point i feel like someone would just let him win
Right, and it starts to get predictable, because every killer horror film you know what the ending will be EVERYTIME
i actually really like this movie. 1978, then h2, 2018, h20 and then this one, made the top 5 for me lol
How Michael survived after being shot in the face?
How about Laurie missing her target and not able to realise that since she was completely off the trails?
Happens a lot actually. I’ve heard of many stories of people getting shot in the head, where the bullet bounces off the skull, just grazes, hits the skull but misses the brain and vital arteries…..I do wish they just ended that version with that though. Made Michael actually human foe once.
As illogical as it is Rob Zombie’s original came out in the summer too. H20 and Resurrection as well.
I remember thinking this was bull! Couldn’t believe it.
Yes but H20 was actually a good film lol
@@juliajones2318 I remember standing up and clapping at the end of H20. I figured they were done, since they'd basically already killed off Freddy and Jason. Oh I was not happy when Resurrection came out.
Yeah... summer's not a good time for horror, there's gotta be chill in the air for you to feel it
That opening 20 min is insane. It shows just how much potential RZ has if he could just stay out if his own way.
It's too good that it's bad
I have watched all the Halloween movies this weekend this is the most disturbing of all
I love that Dr Phil show clip
That was hilarious. "Dr" Phil is such a phony pile of trash
He's not licensed to practice, he's a tv doctor.
The guest had a point, but he was there due to an horrendous act.
It's a bit like Hitler berating people for jumping the queue.
@@DarthPerkins What did he do?
@@LuffyBlack He made a series of films called 'Bumfights' which landed him in court.
Imagine if 'Jackass' was made by sociopaths with no regard for human life or dignity and it's in that ballpark.
Don't Bing it, it's pretty grim.
I saw an interview with Rob Zombie, where he talked about making this movie, and the studio kept ringing him saying “we think you should do this” and “we think you should do that” with the movie while he was in the middle of making it. That must of been fucking annoying to have to deal with all of those frustrating things. I might get some flack for this, but I actually like this movie. I think of it as it’s own movie with its own version of Michael. People need to stop thinking of the original, and comparing this version of Michael to the originals version. Nothing beats the original film of course, but this version is on a completely different path to the original film, which also leaves the original untouched, and not compromised. The original film is a masterpiece, but this movie is also a good way to explore different ideas.
I can lett everyone at least one thing, Rob Zombie is no John Carpenter...
Nooooo......you think?
Neither are you
I love 31
Thank God for that
@@RaphaelRemington6969 I am...
I am in the complete minority saying that I somewhat enjoyed this film. Myers was as brutal as ever. Loved the psychology behind it. Shame it didn't pan out.
If a consummate professional and all-round-good-guy like Bill Moseley walks off set... that means MAJOR problems.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually quite enjoy both of his Halloween movies. Yes, there is a lot that could have been improved, but I still find them a lot of fun to watch. I rewatch them every year right before halloween
Yes
Him having pro wrestler Kane portay Michael in the first movie was brilliant.. especially since Kane is pro wrestling version of Michael Myers/Jason Voorhes..
@@Nostalgicguy2242 that wasn't kane playing Michael Kane is bald he doesn't have long hair anymore
@@Nostalgicguy2242 that wasn't kane lmao
Rob Zombie 's Michael Myers is played by Tyler Mane.
Saw it in the theatre.. I loved it. It was really dark.
Knowing that Mr. Zombie dislikes 2 it makes that unenjoyable movie more bearable
RZ would have knocked a Chain Saw Massacre remake out of the park with Bill Mosely, Sheri and Sid when he was still with us. Doing a gritty backwoods 70s throwback, he would have nailed it, cause he did great with The Devil's Rejects. It's just hard to bring that backwoods, crazy shit show family to a classic like Halloween. However RZ halloween 2 hospital chase, hands down one of the best chase scenes. Nights In White Satin eerily playing in the background, the rain shots. That scene is so good. And Annie's death scene. The shots, fade to black and hearing her scream, then her dad finding her. I cried.
The mom horse ghost storyline clearly created to give his wife a reason to be in the second movie ruined it to me. The first one is my favorite Halloween movie
What happened? Rob zombie happened. The man sucks at making movies. Why they gave him this franchise is beyond me. He made only one ok movie and we all know what that is. Even that is still hard to watch. Stick to making bad music Rob.
The first one was such a refreshing take,this one had good scenes but wasnt really necessary
Even Rob Zombie on Joe Rogan admitted he fell ass backwards into filmmaking. I'm amazed he even gets work still.
Have you seen 31? Truly hard to get through
It holds up. The mask is perfect. And it's A SCARY FILM.
These movies, especially the first one, were so g*ddamn relentless, and I loved them just for that. The stuff with the ghost of Michael's mother was the most off-putting part of the sequel, imo.
Rob should’ve just made his own slasher franchise instead of trying to remake Halloween.
Regardless how RZ vision is on H2 I thought it was very entertaining
I'm just so glad they made a new halloween movie. To get this piece of s*** out of my mind.
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Facts!!!!! This movie is trailer trash and disrespectful to the og of the genre
@@lastonesleft1428 get this, out of both the Rob Zombie films, some fans actually give this the MOST love for some reason, just why!?!?
@@dong.corleone they probably never seen the og Halloween film to appreciate the true mystique of the shape so they settle for this trailer trash alternate
Eventhough I really like RZ H2, I never knew the Weinstein's were so miserable during production...and I was hoping to find that making of-documantary that now I know got lost because of the hectic and problematic shooting/ production.
I know a large number of fans hated this raw and heavy sequel, but I always had a thing for H2 being what it ended up being..a Dr. Loomis who became an arrogant exploiter of Michael's story and massacre, but to be fair, Rob Zombie had the guts to go this daring, even to some account realistic aftermath of the characters, including Laurie spiraling down into insanity, and having Annie and Chief Bracket return to live troubled lives since the event of the already known 78/07 storyline.
I think just like Halloween III, this movie will be seen as a decent sequel, when the years have passed...because it is a well made movie with some controversial and never attended before looks, actions and gore the 2018 movie used again but suddenly more accepted.
I'm sorry for Rob that the movie had so much problems while making it and those damn Weinsteins fucking up because they didn't have enough trust in the director/ writer
I LIKE BOTH OF ROB ZOMBIE HALLOWEEN MOVIES ALSO KILLS WAS SAVAGE
I actually hated Halloween 2018, Michael's kills were so tame when compared to rob zombie's visceral kills.
@@CanImakeamilliondollars now the upcoming Halloween Kills movie is promising to be the most brutal movie of the franchise, however, I'm curious to see how much this movie can be more brutal than RZ H2
@@WolfkingSybren I'm actually excited for the new Halloween movie, it looks promising. Fingers crossed.
@@CanImakeamilliondollars I am as well!
Huge fan of the franchise here and now after that one year delay, I'm so looking forward to the next chapter ( and its Carpenter score)
I don't know why everyone hates his take on this franchise. I liked both films. Whatever
To add to your comment, I think these movies will age well. There are too many bland horror movies and Zombie's films have a ton of personality.
Exactly they made it was darker and violent and the story even wasn’t any worse than any of the other bs sequels they made or anything .. this Michael is far scarier than the original one
@@ColeslawVariant absolutely
@@kalebjones5581 well said. I actually have met people similar to his family. You can actually imagine someone with that background snapping.
Word, I don't get all the hate for these movies cuz I loved them
IMHO Rob Zombie should stick to music and forget about making movies all together
You have to give him some credit. He created a franchise with now pretty iconic family. The firefly clan. The Devils Rejects scenery wise, the 70s throwback, the grit, the way the script flips and suddenly the hunters are being hunted. You almost wanna root for the bastards. That take a little talent. Making homicidal maniacs, almost root worthy.
@Jonny Yeah, he sucks really bad. Like ridiculously bad.
I wish he did do more of a RZ version of H2 Remake in the Hospital, I loved how this movie started, had he kept that flow I would of loved watching his Michael tear up the hospital. I was so fucking pissed when she woke up, like I said if he had kept it in the hospital for the majority of the movie, it would of been a absolute killfest.
Definitely the worse of the Franchise Danielle Harris was the best thing in the movie
He took a risk with this film... and it failed.
I dig them both. I didn’t like part 2 at first, but I did after a second watch.
I like to imagine the opening scene happened, just 2 years ago. That she was having a nightmare of the night the hospital got attacked the same night.
T that’s literally what it was wdym
This has interesting ideas, but Zombie ruined it by putting his perverse brutality. Too much over the top violence & vile language, like the sicko paramedic that wanted to do you know what with one of the victims's bodies. I do like the psychological exploration of the survivors. The scene where Brackett is telling Annie & Laurie about Lee Marvin was a great scene. Things like that I really liked.
Unfortunately, the violence was boring & too over the top. We've seen Michael Myers kill people, but we hadn't seen a Halloween movie do some psychological exploration. The film is also very well made, & its use of 16mm really looked very good. It is better made than ANY of the sequels after 3. 4-6 are some of the most badly made abominations I've ever seen.
Zombie's Halloween 2 isn't a good film, but it is better than any of the sequels that came before he got involved. The 2018 version utilized Zombie's idea for a psychological examination much better, as it wasn't filled with too much over the top gore & foul language.
Foul language?? You’re fucking 41 years old, get over it. The violence in this movie is visceral, intense, and wonderfully brutal.
@@jakepayne2985 Nah, I gotta agree; too much foul language can be laborious.
I watched this recently and the best part of this film for me is the first 20 or so minutes. After that, I think it’s absolutely woeful.
But I disagree it’s better than 3-6. I’d rather watch those than this one.
@@dtower1825 Yeah, he is overboard with his colorful language. I can’t joke any longer and say he’s not. I think this is the 3rd best in the franchise, though. And it showcased PTSD wayyyy better than H18 did. Even if the characters are mostly hate-able, aside from Brad Douriff. And Michael is a force in this one, totally badass and threatening.
@@jakepayne2985 Definitely agree with you about the PTSD. I remember at the start where she’s asking if she’s going to die in the hospital, as well as when she’s talking to her therapist about seeing someone dressed up as a monster, or something. Remember thinking that is spot on. That is how PTSD can manifest itself.
But I think it unravels after that. Michael just walks in to scenes and kills people for the sake of it. Spending so much time on his psychology was also a mistake, I feel. The whole thing feels undercooked. I’d rather have had more time spent dealing with the trauma suffered by Laurie and Annie afterward. They’re the ones who mattered. (And Brad Douriff, who is the man!) Instead everyone feels like fodder. Just feels completely undercooked to me.
@@dtower1825 Those are fair criticisms, that I could possibly respond to. But my brain is fried, so my only rebuttal is….but it’s just so badass to watch Michael take out that fodder! You’re right tho.
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He tried to make a Jason Voorhees movie using Micheal Myers.
Michael and Jason have always been extremely similar, so this isn't much of a surprise.
I appear to be the one person on Earth who loved this movie. Which makes me right!
Me too!
Not sure how things would have gone if they made a part 3 to Rob Zombie's films, he didn't want to film anymore, they lost momentum, we ended up getting Halloween 2018, we also got its two sequel Halloween Kills and Halloween Ends but they've been held up by COVID.
This October we get Halloween kills
Hallon kills
@@flaccid_hotdog1620 I just noticed that spelling error thank you for informing me.
I've read the script to Halloween 3D and it certainly is..... interesting. It was written by Patrick Lussier, Zombie had nothing to do with the project itself.
forgot I even watched the 2018 one, was that forgettable
“The vision” he put forth. 😂🤣
When it comes to the 1st RZ's Halloween, the workprint was actually better than what we got released in theaters. You actually feel bad for Michael at the end cause Loomis got him to surrender, then cops shot Michael to death, that and Danny Trejo doesn't get killed off by Michael either. As a one-shot, the workprint is the superior version and honestly should be what was released in theaters and on home media. I got the workprint months before it came out in theaters, enjoyed it, but was disappointed when I seen the theatrical cut opening night. But I guess the damn Weinsteins were to blame for that as well.
That's so true and felt like what he was "REALLY" going for in spite of there being a 'director's cut'. It didn't make Michael a hero, but it gave him more of a twisted integrity like a Hannibal Lecter as he wouldn't just kill at random. He only wanted to kill those he felt had hurt him and his sister.
@@guapounggoy on top of that the workprint ending was slightly more believable that Michael would survive for a sequel than him somehow surviving a point blank shot to the face with a big ass revolver, half of his head would be gone. Totally agree that he only really took out people who kinda deserve it(well, aside from the Strode's, and using Annie as bait. But he may have viewed them as people who would stand between him and Laurie). But the execs probably wanted a aimless monster instead of a grey area character with something sympathetic about them. Also the Workprint was a shorter film that flowed better and had better line delivery.
Zombie's Halloween 2 is one of the few films that is almost universally hated. It's very rare that I ever hear someone they it's good.
Next film you should cover should be The Final Destination. I'm dying to know how a promising final movie in that series turned into a reviled mess.
Watching DVD commentary and the behind the scenes documentary explains a lot more.