Okay the picture they used from his daughters gravesite, that they cropped disgusted me so much...... who could even deny that was purposely done?? wow
@@doberman2yk You are braindead, but to be fair all racists are so it's to be expected I guess. And yes, you are a racist, I am not here to debate it, if you call an innocent man being shot by police who arranged a huge cover up and literally cropped the photo of his DAUGHTER'S GRAVE to make him look bad, then you proceed to point out black crime ignoring all the socioeconomic factors, the you are objectively racist. I also love the "white guilt" bs, if a white person points out systemic racism they are "guilty of being white" if a black or brown person does it's cz "they are justifying their crimes" if an asian person does it's cz "they wanna dunk on white people",you can't win can you? nobody can win talking to racist a-hole who will go to any length of vile filthy hatred to justify their rotten beliefs.
its stories like this that make me so angry when people say that racism doesn't exist in the uk, or that we don't have a problem with police brutality. i remember these riots, i was a teenager at the time, but i'm only now finding out that this is what triggered them and it breaks my heart that i didn't know sooner.
@@AM2K2 clearly you haven't been listening to this video, he wasn't a part of a gang, he may have had a gun for protection against a gang that was hanging around, after all, he did have a baby on the way, he never shot, he was wrongly shot, if you aren't going to listen to the video or bother to get your facts right and continue to comment with racist infactual remarks then piss off!
@@AM2K2 did you even watch the video? what about the lady who died of a heart attack in police custody while they searched her home? the police have a duty of care, they're NOT judges, it's not their job to decide who is guilty or innocent. if the police who dealt with this tip off felt genuinely concerned for their life then why did they not attempt to disarm him in other ways? why did they shoot first, search later?
According to the police's story, the only possible time he could have thrown the gun was _after_ he was shot. Because according to them, they _saw_ him pull it out of his waistband and thats why they shot him. So between being shot and hitting the ground, he'd have had to throw a gun 7 meters. Without anyone noticing. Also, if they found the gun _in a sock_ and the only possible time he could have thrown one was _after_ being shot and _after_ they described the gun they 'saw'...How did they 'see' the handle, trigger and barrel of a gun that was _in a sock?_
I am the woman they called the Hackney Heroine Thank you for this even though I an only just seeing it. You make a lot of things make sence to those that sat and judged Mark wrongfully one of the biggest police civer ups in the while of British history. Continue to RIEP one fine day it will all come out in the open. Lies have a way to come back and bite people when they least expect it. ❤
I think people forget that someone doesn't have to be innocent to have the right to life. Mark Duggan was far from a saint, but that doesn't mean anything. He was unlawfully killed, and I think everyone knows that. people get too hung up in the idea that an 'innocent person' was killed, implying that it would be any better if they were guilty. I don't think we need to focus on proving Marks innocence, but more so trying to get rid of this idea that you have to be innocent to deserve to live.
@@doberman2yk your calling him a thug, for what the press and the police, have told you. Also if a police officer can shot someone unarmed, and cover it up as badly as they did here, how many other murders have been covered up? Mark wasn't innocent, but if the police were professional this wouldn't have happened, you have idiots on power trips and twitchy trigger fingers running around with guns and it's the the police.
@@astrowolvez because if one of his colleagues shell casings hit him he could have thought that was mark duggan shooting him, the way she said he went off colour and shit, that doesn’t happen if you’re acting. and also how did he know that all of the police officers would come to him and leave mark? he couldn’t have known that
Thank you for how you delivered this story. You truly respected the victim, his family, and the struggle that black people go through. As a black woman I just want to say that I really appreciate how you told this story. I didn’t want to watch this video because I thought I would be triggered (and I was slightly) but your validation of the victim and the situation made it so much better. Thank you
12 is the cops... anyone who says Eff 12 or be careful cuz 12 over there or it’s a lot of 12 around... they’re talking about cops. That’s what they call them here in the states too! I had no clue y’all call them 12 there too lol. I guess we’re all listening to the same type of music lol
Hey elanor please will you cover the case of a little girl called shukri abdi she’s a 12 year old Somali girl that came over to the UK for a better life. She moved to Manchester but then she was murdered by her school mates by being thrown in the river. The police insist this wasn’t a homicide but shukri’s mum knows she was terrified of water and wouldn’t go in the river willingly. This case is so heart breaking and doesn’t have and coverage shukri’s mum needs justice for her babygirl.💔
The fact that they cropped the picture of him holding a stone by his daughter’s gravesite to make him look like he was the thug made me so mad. May Mark RIP along with his daughter.
As a lightskin young man who lives in London but happened to be raised in Cambridge one of the most prestigious places im used to be mistakenly accused of a part of the underground black grime drill culture. I used to be very posh in speech now my voice is Americanised thx to instagram Im often worried about being in a case of mistaken identity. And it is odd to be in London from Cambridge kinda young. I moved to London Croydon area 6 months before the riots l was just south of tooting but l remember this unknown suburb which l only went once at 4 years old and at 11 l witness it on fire being looted in broad daylight just destroyed by the looters glass AND ITEMS EVERYWHERE STREWN ACROSS THE STREET and later that night this furniture shop ABLAZE AN INFERNO and its a massive house in the middle of the biggest plaza in Croydon which stood out even without the fire so ablaze it was bad. It was awful as from tv l was far from the action but in my suburb it was eerily quiet like a vibrant Wimbledon area ghost towned apart from 2 teenagers near a Sainsbury's whom we called the police on
You can tell by the way Eleanor speaks she does not believe one bit he was involved in gang activity. She stays impartial but you can tell be her tone of voice.
Umm, nah he was involved in gang shit. I live 20 mins away from Tottenham, hell I live in the same borough as him. Everyone knows he was involved in gang shit, he was a drug dealer. His son is now rapper that is involved in a gang, the gang is a Tottenham gang called OFB. The police shouldn't have murdered him but probably arrested him.
Is it possible that, if they first shot his torso, he instinctively reached over to the wound? His arms could've been in the air, and then he reached for the torso gunshot wound and that's when they shot his arm?
@@mccakequeen why play the race card? Mark Duggan (THE CRIMINAL THUG) had a white mother which means he was just as white as he was black. Nice try though. I shall wait for you to reply calling me a "racist" for pointing these facts to you...people like you are more predictable than you realise. Honestly.
when she showed the uncropped picture of mark holding up a heart stone for his baby girl that the media skewed my heart instantly shattered. this poor man and his poor family, we'll never forget you ❤
@Yorkshire Tea no amount of kids would ever make me think murdering another human being is acceptable, it’s very selfish of you to say “they’re a threat to MY life so it doesn’t matter if THEIR life ends” police don’t need to shoot up a person to make violence go away, they tried that and look what happened...yeah riots happened (even more violence due to anger from the mistake of a police force). It would be amazing if you provided proof as a rebuttal against hers, she’s in no way prejudice or selective about the cases she talks about so what would make you think she lied about the facts to fit a “narrative”? You as an adult need to think logically, this happened 9 years ago and now history has repeated itself. So please tell me how killing a human will solve anything because to me that only causes more violence, in 2020 George Floyd was unnecessarily killed did that solve anything? No, it only caused protests and riots. Take a seat before you act like you know everything
@Yorkshire Tea it’s pathetic to condone murder, and regardless those riots were still sparked bc of his death. There’s a facility called prison or jail especially made for criminals which he was not one. Why is it that ppl can own a gun and call it their second amendment rights but this man couldn’t? You’re no better than the image you make of him. If he was really a criminal you’re one too, for thinking that the only solution is to kill when there’s other ways this could’ve been handled. I suggest you grow tf since you’re more immature than a 17 year old. How would you like it if your kid got murdered for something they didn’t do? Your lack of evidence proves my point, I suggest you find a source to back up your claims and if you can’t do that it just shows how ignorant you really are. Get some help psycho boomer
Living in Manchester in 2011 as a child was scary! I remember my dad not letting us go anywhere without him because he was scared for us because people took advantage of this cause, the majority of those rioting in Manchester were teenagers that didn’t know what had happened to Mark or any of the other black victims. Thankyou for such an in-depth video because back then I had no idea what was happening x
Cases like this make me so angry. Black rights and black lives are not expendable. They are not up for debate. The black community has been fighting for their rights for longer than is necessary. All because of the colour of their skin. As Muhammad Ali said, the black community has been told for years that their kids and their kids will have it better. But it hasn’t gotten better. Black men, women and children are still being beaten and killed, their families are still mourning, and the protests are still happening. When is enough enough?
@@lordliam9840 did..... did you watch the video? imagine being this racist. may YOU rot in hell. if this was a white man, you'd say he was misunderstood and went down the wrong path.
@Lord Liam so your telling me that you have never scared anyone in your life it was also mostly just assumptions the fact that you could even say something as disgusting at that makes you ten times worse than him. No one deserves to die, prison time, yes that is the whole reason a prison is made but no one deserves death. Just because he "sold" drugs does not give the police the okay pass to murder a him, in fact if people got killed just because of something they did wrong or because of something they did while they were young then no one would be alive! I'm sick of people like you wanting to spread your disgusting opinions on a comment yes we have rights but if you don't have something nice to say then don't say it at all. P.S how would you feel if someone was glad that you were dead and wished that you would "rot in hell"!
the fact that they granted the police to be able to remain anonymous is ridiculous. they murdered him they need to face the consequences. if it wasn’t the police i know for sure they wouldn’t be allowed to remain anonymous.
Actually the legal system give people new identities and make them anonymous all the time, even really dangerous people, one example is John venebles and Robert Thompson. Too many people get to just evade the consequences of their actions.
I think it's absolutely heartbreaking that the media decided to use a picture of him at his DAUGHTERS GRAVE!!! WHAT?! and to make him look like a 'thug' as well?! that is absolutely horrific and must be so painful for the family. rest in peace and power mark❤
the cropping of the photo always makes me so angry. he was a father, and was grieving the loss of his daughter and the media took that photo and still managed to spin it and make him out to be a violent person. goes to show how gross the media is and how biased the general public is.
Can police officers ever admit they were scared and made a mistake like ever !?! Why do they always try to lie and defend their unnecessary actions ? 🤦🏽
I sware there was a case in the mid 00's when the police shot a suspected terrorist on the London underground. But it was an innocent Brazilian guy and they admitted there mistake but no police got sacked or prosecuted for it.
Heres the thing. I would almost be more likely to sympathize with a police officer who admitted that they panicked, shot without warrant, and fucked up. But the officer, and whole department that lie, and cover this shit up.. and deny their wrong doing, their the ones that deserve an eye for an eye.
@@2781smithy yeah that’s the Jean Charles de Menezes case. It was an incredibly fucked up situation and the Met have never truly been held responsible.
I lived in a nearby town in London, and it was a massive heatwave at the time of the riots! I worked in a kitchen and we weren't allowed to open the doors for 2 weeks because the company was worried about the riots starting in our town, and being looted as the nearby shops had been, as we were fairly close. I really remember sticking my head out the door during the 3 day riots and you could hear a pin drop. It was like a mini lockdown of the local area of everyone being concerned it was going to happen here too. I was absolutely appaulled by the situation and knowing people who were trying to get into the riots or start one in this neighbouring town. RIP Mark Duggan, I honestly hope that noone forgets this injustice for him and his family. Thank you for doing this story, there were very few things I didn't know about this story, but it filled in gaps that the media were spinning.
Hi Eleanor, it would mean so much to the people of Hull if you could cover Christopher Alder’s unlawful murder by police which took place back in 1998 - his family are STILL campaigning for justice (his sister Janet literally spoke today at a BLM protest) Love to you ❤️❤️❤️
Yes I completely agree. I live in Hull and Christopher alder is such a weird case it doesn't make sense. Plus his family buried a woman 😢 thinking it was him xx
@@sarahmearns4430 I remember it happening when I was about 11 years old. And then years later it turned out his body had been misplaced or something mental. They'd mixed him up with an elderly woman. I met Janrlet Alder a couple of times. Really nice lady who's been through absolute hell.
@@LoudaroundLincoln yeah they got his body mixed up so his family buried an elderly lady. Then years later they found out 😢. I really hope she covers his story xx
I remember these riots so clearly. I worked on a retail park at this time and the centre had a direct train link from London Liverpool Street. On one of the days when people were rioting, our shopping centre got a call to say they'd been tipped off that rioters/looters were on their way to the centre and we needed to clear out in case the police couldn't intercept them in time. So we were all sent home within minutes and escorted out by security and police. It was terrifying and I didn't know the full story of Mark Duggan back then, being about 16, but although I didn't agree with the rioting and looting, I can completely understand their anger and frustration. With people being left homeless and businesses being destroyed, it was devastating.
Police policy is to be as brutal as possible. Every time one of them fucks up we hear, "oh this is a one off". Its not a one off. Not in the North anyway. They had that coming for a long while.
I remember when the riots happened and I was too young to understand it enough to look into it. I’m glad you covered it, I’m now 22 and glad to know the full story
I think the reason why the witness testimonies were so different was because their brains were trying to fill in the gaps of the event. I remember learning it in psychology, when under stress people don't remember exact things, they only focus on the most shocking things rather than the smallest details. When questioned they try to link everything together so they fill in any gaps, even if they arent true to what happened.
i seen an experiment where they set up a crime and asked 6 witnesses what happened they couldnt even agree with each other what colour coat the guy had on
Hi! I do forensic research in university specifically on eyewitness recollection, and what you’re saying is generally true. As humans we do have a hard time remembering events, and things become even harder to remember when “fear” is involved (ex. violence, guns, loud noise, etc.). We do have a tendency to fill in the gaps of our memory which eventually become “false memories” when we replay it so often that it becomes our truth. Hope this helps!
I love how brave you are to say the truth and hold no punches on what is right about racism.. you have a very true heart and for that... thank you 🙏🏽💜🌺
Eleanor there's a case I've been dying for someone to cover and I'd love for it to be you because of the high quality and amazing content you produce. Someone in my small town of Mooresburg, Tennessee killed someone. They guy who killed this old woman was Kyle Wolfe, I went to school with him my whole life and none of us know why he did it and none of us can put in an understandable way, I really hope you see this 💕
The fact that they cropped a picture of him at his daughters grave sight while holding a very emotional message to make him look bad is evil. It's bad enough to crop a picture to make someone look bad but to choose such an emotional picture is disgusting...
Can you look at my sister Melissa's unsolved (we know who did it) case? Georgia Marie did a video on her case and my family is trying to bring awareness to it. 💜 The video is called What Happened to Melissa Platt Midweek Mystery. I sent you a message on IG on it. My sister was severely beaten and left for days in unimaginable pain laying in her own urine and feces. She was covered head to toe in bruises of varying age, her jaw was broken in two places, and she had a brain bleed, also a strangulation mark on her neck. The person responsible was never charged with a single thing. October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. If you're in a dangerous situation, please try your best to get out. 💜
I have a journalism degree - wanted to be a reporter since I was 10 years old. It’s cases like this that made me realise how money is the driving factor behind all news reports - not getting to the truth which is why I wanted to be a journalist. My heart goes out to Mark’s family. A true tragedy.
Surely, even if Mark did throw his gun away, his killing still wouldn’t be justified. How can a person, having literally just disarmed himself be an imminent threat to anyone?! You can’t use a gun that is no longer in your possession. I don’t think the rioting was at all acceptable, but the police are notoriously criminally corrupt and should not just be let off because of their position in society. I believe that no one is above the law and Mark still deserves his justice. My heart breaks for his family!! Thanks for this video! 😘
even if the gun was on his waistband that isn’t grounds to shoot him, unless the gun is in his hand where they can see it there’s no reason to shoot him
K A I see your point of view, thanks for your reply! I think I’m referring more specifically to the point that Eleanor raised about the damage done to people’s livelihoods who weren’t police or rioters. I should have made that clear in my comment. I don’t know, I agree that peaceful protests aren’t always successful, but I don’t think it’s fair for ordinary people to deal with the collateral damage that these riots in particular caused. It is also important to remember that Mark’s family didn’t condone any violence or harm, they want/wanted answers and justice. I think we still need a lot of reform, but I think that that is most effectively achieved through discussion as opposed to rage...
@@kesharaa2355 the riots were unacceptable, they weren’t even for mark and his family in the end. people were just using this tragedy to smash shit up, same with the blm riots, we need to separate the people trying to get justice for black people and the people just using it for self gain
if you want to watch a case about a muslim family she has already done one about a girl called shafilea ahmed. but i agree, shruki deserves better and her story should be heard
So many things sadden me about this case but I think one of the saddest is that even after all that rioting, the justice system still managed to fail him
Thank you so much for your amazing work, and for linking forensic architecture. Their whole channel is soooo interesting, I knew I'd be binging 10 sec in, but seriously underrated!!!
This case is so infuriating, the way the media portrayed him was disgusting. To use an image of a grieving father to depict him as a thug is horrible. He could have looked hard faced because he was holding back tears.... I don’t believe he did it or had a gun and I think the police placed the gun. If it came out that they had unlawfully killed a man which sparked the riots..... wouldn’t go down well🤷🏻♀️
The picture they used was cut off at the bottom in which it shows him holding a heart with I cant remember what was on it but it had something to do with someone who died if that makes sense
BobbyG you’re under every comment section. save your energy & just admit you’re a racist. he did NOT have a gun on him. they lied ab seeing a gun. get over yourself bruv
@@sssssmglllllll01891 are you kidding?? You have no idea this mans reasons and you just bust out "your a racist" that's what's wrong now a days!!! Do you call people pedophiles for no reason
Alicia A Morgan LMFAOO the two have no correlation, weirdo. i stated in my comment he was under multiple comments saying the same thing. he’s come to the video to spew negativity and has ignored the FACTS. you mad miss alicia a morgan ?????? crybaby.
Clara Halstead police brutality still exists without guns. racial profiling and aggression towards black people by the police happens a lot more than people want to admit in the uk. unfortunately some of our police still hold the same prejudice over here, they just use different tactics to carry it out
The part about how the media cropped the photo made me indescribably angry.. that was such a personal moment for him and for the media to use it to paint him in a bad light makes me sick
I moved to London when I was 19 the day before this happened. I went down for an accidental 24 hour jet-lagged “nap.” When I woke up, my roommates and I had breakfast where they informed me “not to be concerned about the riots being within a mile from us, they started while you were asleep.” It was a wild start to my time there.
I'm starting to detect some racial bias. *"Oh, this guy is black and has been convicted of minor crimes, that makes him a gangster."* If there was no evidence that he was involved in gang activities, then he's innocent.
Why was he picking up a gun? Not saying he deserved this, its disgusting and those cops are clearly bent as fuck but why was he getting involved in guns?
@Anonymous don't care. No excuse to carry an illegal gun. Live by the gun, die by the gun. Imagine if he used the gun and shot an innocent bystander by mistake. I'm not happy that he died but if he made better decisions then he would be alive.
i remember when the BML movement in 2020 pushed its way across america and being so happy that something like this was finally being covered by media, but those few protesters that took it too far towards the night and began to vandalize and cause mass destruction only made the media focus on that instead of the good cause that it was initially there for. i’m not team police, i’m never going to be, but doing all that and hurting police officers who weren’t doing any harm prior, it’s makes us no better than them.
Imani Girl if it was a white person they wouldn’t be calling him a ‘gangster’ they would somehow find a way to justify the actions of the person but obviously since he’s black they believe everything the police stay even if it’s not possible .. 😴
Kimberley Brown there’s a pic of a guy holding a bag of basmati rice that he stole in the riots, just became a sort of joke. can probably find it on google
i got so choked up seeing the sign with Mark’s face that said “we miss u daddy.” that completely broke my heart. his kids had just lost a sibling, and then they lost their daddy. his young kids. it doesn’t matter is mark was involved in crime, he was a human being with a family. if he were a white man, he wouldn’t have been shot. hell, i doubt he would’ve been scared enough to run out of the taxi. i’ve had to take a few days to get through this video because it makes my blood boil and my heart break. when a black man is murdered, we talk about his past. when a white man murders, we talk about his future. how twisted is that? my heart goes out to mark’s family, especially his kids. i hope they will be able to grow up in a better world because people aren’t just accepting that their daddy was murdered. they deserve it. ❤️
Can you cover the case of grace milliane? She was a British tourist who travelled to Auckland New Zealand and she met up with a man who then she was last seen with and went missing and her body turned up around a week and a bit later
@@chelseamccurley941 they have but the man has name suppression and anyone who breaches that (even in the UK) can be charged for it. It's a really touchy case here as a lot of us don't believe he was brought to justice. It's been nearly two years now
As an NZer, this case was particularly angering to watch unfold, mostly because of the defense the guy had. I've never felt more embarrassed and sorry for a person in my life (Grace Millane).
the way they had to twist the evidence to justify murdering someone... a man was running away with no gun in sight and they killed him instead of arresting him. those cops don't deserve anonimity or to be free, they should be in jail where murderers are supposed to be.
@@hayleym50 ALL CRIMINAL SHOULD BE EXECUTED... STOP GLORIFYING CRIMINALS. LONDON IS A VIOLENT CITY THANKS TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO WORSHIP THESE CRIMINALS
@@PatrickEvans-x1vthere are levels to crimes the guy MAY have had a gun and the police officer is a murder (also a police officer has no right to execute someone for smth they MAY have done thats why there are trials and many many responsible people are in position of applying the execution after evidence have been giving and proved that the man deserve this execution )
the whole way this was handled is absolutely infuriating, especially the way the media tried to paint this victim as a violent criminal. Those officers do not need anonymity they need to be held accountable for this murder that they not only committed but tried to cover up.
Yeah - nothing violent about him. He was just casually travelling with a gun. The same gun that btw: *DNA evidence later showed that Hutchinson-Foster had used the same gun that he later passed to Mr Duggan to pistol-whip a man at a barber shop in Hackney*
@@nayxo3698 There’s proof that Hutchinson was supplying Duggan with two guns, one Duggan was planning on selling or giving away. The other was his own. Hutchinson was a renowned gun-dealer.
@@AM2K2 when he was murdered he didn't have the gun and wasn't doing anything violent, in the situation of his death yes he was innocent because there was no weapon on him, also what Huntchinson did had nothing to do with his death, yes he gave him the gun but he didn't tell him to pistol whip the man he made that decision himself
I remember a man running down my road holding a TV that he had stolen from the local Tesco, knocking on peoples doors asking if they could hold onto it while he ran to get his car for him to be able to take it home. Those three days were the weirdest days of my childhood
They definitely planted that gun! No way he could have thrown a gun 7 meters away with no one seeing him do it! The amount of force you’d have to put in the throw in order for it to travel 7 meters would have been massive, he would have had to put his whole upper body into it which you wouldn’t miss
My BIL was a riot officer there and he said he was SO hard because he was completely with the protestors but it is rarely actual protestors that make these things violent. I feel so much for the family as they had all this lined to them.
@@rhiannonlois6880 however time and time again history has shown that riots and rioters have the opposite effect of the cause they are after. Riots end up ruining the livelihoods of would-be and real supporters. They delve into a level of violence that most people want nothing to do with. Protest to be heard, but know that rioting will never be the way.
Thank you for using your platform to raise awareness! I’m from the US and we don’t really hear much about racial issues in Europe. It’s good to know that there are people worldwide fighting for what’s right.
We have a lot of racial issues . My grandson is mixed race and suffers racism at school . My friends are bikers & rastas and they get shit from the filth all the time .
I binge-watch your videos while drawing because they help me focus and I'm always really interested in the cases that you cover, you have an amazing voice and are incredibly respectful when your treat these topics. this video so far was the only one that made me legit tear up, the picture that was demonized by media was just horrible. racial injustice is such a hard topic to cover and you did an amazing job, it's such a shame he didn't get the justice he deserved but alas, we live in a cruel world.
The whole throwing the gun thing doesn't make any sense to me. If he was somehow in the process of throwing the gun when he was shot shouldn't the police have seen that he was getting rid of the gun and not shoot him? In order for the gun to get that far he would have had to have already brought his arm back and then fully swung it and released or else the gun would have dropped either right behind or right in front of him when he was shot so there's no way they wouldn't have known what he was doing.
Theres a good video that shows that if he had thrown the gun upon leaving the taxi, there were four police officers who would have had a very clear view, although every one of them completely denied ever seeing a gun being thrown
@@eleanorgouldie9355 so then, whether he was in the process of getting rid of the gun when he was shot like the official conclusion states or whether he threw it right after getting out of the cab, if he really had thrown it there would be no way that police wouldn't have realize that he was disarming/had disarmed himself which would mean that there's no way to call it a justified shooting. It's so ridiculous that they tried to brush it under the rug like that when even their own evidence seems to prove that they were in the wrong.
@@yungbeatz8261 tbh free him he wasn't directly involved in K1s murder, and there was no evidence on him either apart from OSavs statement which he wrote in order to drag others to jail with him
Eleanor, I am new to your channel, and I absolutely love it!! I just want to say thank you for bringing light this horrible tragedy. And, thank you for your powerful words and your point of view.S So sorry this happened to Mark. God Bless him and his family. And thank you for recognizing that Black Lives Matter, wherever in the world you are. 🙏🏾❤💪🏾
may his mother, his significant others, his children find peace somewhere some how. this breaks my heart Mark wasn’t given justice, and his family has to sit and watch that when he was never in the wrong.
me being american ive never heard this case, second eleanor showed the first pic of mark my first response was just "woah that's a beautiful man right there"
I’m sat watching this now in 2024 while the whole of the UK are now rioting over the deaths of the 3 little angels that were murdered in my town Southport😢x
Tbh whatever he was about to do - whether he wanted to surrender or pull his gun - they should've just dissarmed him, render him immobile or whatever, but shooting him directly into his chest?! What kind of police school did they go to?
From what I know of *American* police officers, they are specifically not taught to shoot in the arm, leg, hand, foot, etc. but only taught “shoot to kill”... 😒
The riots also happened in Birmingham too, I remember having to leave college earlier and not being able to get home because the buses wouldn’t come to the center. It scared the life out of me. 😩
None of that was even relevant...? He was a good father to every girlfriend and wife he had. Cheating and havinf girlfriends isnt even a crime, that should never be mentioned in this case, especially mentioned to paint him in a bad light.
if thats the only thing you comment about out of the WHOLE VIDEO. its definitely racially motivated. Morals are never, to my knowledge, mentioned in crime. Morals do not equal crime
@@pee9570 I wasn’t saying the reason he did anything was because he was a cheater I was just pointing out how it was ironic that she said he was a good boyfriend but was with other women and yeah I did watch the whole thing you have to be pretty dense not to realize it was racially motivated.
the way she talks about theses cases is so respectful and informative, i love her sm
She doesn’t wanna get canceled
@@caroll9193 or shes just a decent human being-
Truly the best true crime person!
unlike Bailey! I adore El and the way she goes about her videos
@@isabellee.alyssaa Bailey??
Who's that?
Okay the picture they used from his daughters gravesite, that they cropped disgusted me so much...... who could even deny that was purposely done?? wow
Right, that made me really stop this video for a second, because I was so disgusted.
This was somehow the most disturbing part to me. A man at his daughters grave. How can you even comprehend using that against him
@@doberman2yk You are braindead, but to be fair all racists are so it's to be expected I guess.
And yes, you are a racist, I am not here to debate it, if you call an innocent man being shot by police who arranged a huge cover up and literally cropped the photo of his DAUGHTER'S GRAVE to make him look bad, then you proceed to point out black crime ignoring all the socioeconomic factors, the you are objectively racist.
I also love the "white guilt" bs, if a white person points out systemic racism they are "guilty of being white" if a black or brown person does it's cz "they are justifying their crimes" if an asian person does it's cz "they wanna dunk on white people",you can't win can you? nobody can win talking to racist a-hole who will go to any length of vile filthy hatred to justify their rotten beliefs.
@@doberman2yk shut up thank you 🥱
@@KZ-xt4hl PERIODTTT ❤️
its stories like this that make me so angry when people say that racism doesn't exist in the uk, or that we don't have a problem with police brutality. i remember these riots, i was a teenager at the time, but i'm only now finding out that this is what triggered them and it breaks my heart that i didn't know sooner.
A M would you say all that if he was white ? Just say u hate black ppl and keep it moving
@@AM2K2 clearly you haven't been listening to this video, he wasn't a part of a gang, he may have had a gun for protection against a gang that was hanging around, after all, he did have a baby on the way, he never shot, he was wrongly shot, if you aren't going to listen to the video or bother to get your facts right and continue to comment with racist infactual remarks then piss off!
A M You realise police are only supposed to use excessive force as a last resort right?
A M he wasn’t in a gang. just say you’re racist and go
@@AM2K2 did you even watch the video? what about the lady who died of a heart attack in police custody while they searched her home? the police have a duty of care, they're NOT judges, it's not their job to decide who is guilty or innocent. if the police who dealt with this tip off felt genuinely concerned for their life then why did they not attempt to disarm him in other ways? why did they shoot first, search later?
According to the police's story, the only possible time he could have thrown the gun was _after_ he was shot. Because according to them, they _saw_ him pull it out of his waistband and thats why they shot him. So between being shot and hitting the ground, he'd have had to throw a gun 7 meters. Without anyone noticing.
Also, if they found the gun _in a sock_ and the only possible time he could have thrown one was _after_ being shot and _after_ they described the gun they 'saw'...How did they 'see' the handle, trigger and barrel of a gun that was _in a sock?_
Girl you blew my whole mind and now I’m more angry.
My exact train of thought! Like how could a judge or jury not see this?!?!
@@mistyxmarlboro they probably did. Bet they're just as corrupt as the police 😒
I am the woman they called the Hackney Heroine Thank you for this even though I an only just seeing it. You make a lot of things make sence to those that sat and judged Mark wrongfully one of the biggest police civer ups in the while of British history. Continue to RIEP one fine day it will all come out in the open. Lies have a way to come back and bite people when they least expect it. ❤
the way my jaw dropped when she showed the full uncropped picture... the media so did that on purpose
Time stamp?
Personal~ 5:16
I didn't know what that picture was 😑 It's incredibly misleading.
Standard procedure for the media everywhere, it seems.
I think people forget that someone doesn't have to be innocent to have the right to life. Mark Duggan was far from a saint, but that doesn't mean anything. He was unlawfully killed, and I think everyone knows that. people get too hung up in the idea that an 'innocent person' was killed, implying that it would be any better if they were guilty. I don't think we need to focus on proving Marks innocence, but more so trying to get rid of this idea that you have to be innocent to deserve to live.
@@doberman2yk just because someone is "a thug" doesn't mean they deserve to die.
@@doberman2yk You're miserable and hate people, we get it. Hope you get help for that.
Say it louder for the racists at the back 🙌🏾🙌🏾
@@doberman2yk your calling him a thug, for what the press and the police, have told you. Also if a police officer can shot someone unarmed, and cover it up as badly as they did here, how many other murders have been covered up? Mark wasn't innocent, but if the police were professional this wouldn't have happened, you have idiots on power trips and twitchy trigger fingers running around with guns and it's the the police.
@@doberman2yk you DEFINITELY wouldn't be missed from the comment section... 🤔🐽
That police officer who pretended to be shot needs a serious psychological evaluation
i don’t think he pretended to be shot, i think he genuinely thought he was shot
He was shot by a colleague.
@@josh3306 how does that even happen?
It sounds like he knew exactly what he was doing. Get the attention on him so the man dies.
@@astrowolvez because if one of his colleagues shell casings hit him he could have thought that was mark duggan shooting him, the way she said he went off colour and shit, that doesn’t happen if you’re acting. and also how did he know that all of the police officers would come to him and leave mark? he couldn’t have known that
Thank you for how you delivered this story. You truly respected the victim, his family, and the struggle that black people go through. As a black woman I just want to say that I really appreciate how you told this story. I didn’t want to watch this video because I thought I would be triggered (and I was slightly) but your validation of the victim and the situation made it so much better. Thank you
100%
Eleanor dragging the London police and the English justice system for over an hour 🙌🏽
As she should 👍🏽
She said F12 with out saying F12
good
@OmWIR uT7qu it means "f*ck 12", it's something people say about bad cops but I'm not 100% sure where the 12 comes from. It's like the acronym ACAB
12 is the cops... anyone who says Eff 12 or be careful cuz 12 over there or it’s a lot of 12 around... they’re talking about cops. That’s what they call them here in the states too! I had no clue y’all call them 12 there too lol. I guess we’re all listening to the same type of music lol
Hey elanor please will you cover the case of a little girl called shukri abdi she’s a 12 year old Somali girl that came over to the UK for a better life. She moved to Manchester but then she was murdered by her school mates by being thrown in the river. The police insist this wasn’t a homicide but shukri’s mum knows she was terrified of water and wouldn’t go in the river willingly. This case is so heart breaking and doesn’t have and coverage shukri’s mum needs justice for her babygirl.💔
Justice for Shukri. I would like to hear about this story.
@@exit_strategy why are you saying justice for Eleanor?
@@littlechewisex3783 lmao sorry, I typed the wrong name 🙄 @ myself wow
@@exit_strategy easy done in a world where we’ve so much on our minds!
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when she said she was going to include more black people...she meant it🥺
why the sad face tho
this is off topic but you’re so pretty
The racists are showing in this comment section fi tru. The man was murdered.
@@nayxo3698 ikr
@BobbyG periyanna
“Eminent danger” the police language. They literally learn in school what to say to avoid trouble.
I feared for my life and the lives of my fellow officers/citizens. That’s a big one that’s drilled into police.
Imminent
The fact that they cropped the picture of him holding a stone by his daughter’s gravesite to make him look like he was the thug made me so mad. May Mark RIP along with his daughter.
Ru paul he wasn’t a gangster wtf . Did u even listen to the stiry
@Joru Nobu yes. You clearly didn't.
Time stamp?
@@noemontgomery1663 Roughly 45:40
As a lightskin young man who lives in London but happened to be raised in Cambridge one of the most prestigious places im used to be mistakenly accused of a part of the underground black grime drill culture. I used to be very posh in speech now my voice is Americanised thx to instagram Im often worried about being in a case of mistaken identity. And it is odd to be in London from Cambridge kinda young. I moved to London Croydon area 6 months before the riots l was just south of tooting but l remember this unknown suburb which l only went once at 4 years old and at 11 l witness it on fire being looted in broad daylight just destroyed by the looters glass AND ITEMS EVERYWHERE STREWN ACROSS THE STREET and later that night this furniture shop ABLAZE AN INFERNO and its a massive house in the middle of the biggest plaza in Croydon which stood out even without the fire so ablaze it was bad. It was awful as from tv l was far from the action but in my suburb it was eerily quiet like a vibrant Wimbledon area ghost towned apart from 2 teenagers near a Sainsbury's whom we called the police on
You can tell by the way Eleanor speaks she does not believe one bit he was involved in gang activity. She stays impartial but you can tell be her tone of voice.
yea i lover her honestly
I came to say this!
I love her videos for this main reason. Well that and the fact she sticks to the evidence to make a intelligent judgement.
Looked for a comment like this! You can tell she’s low-key disgusted! Rightly so x
I don’t believe it either they basically hunted this man down cause they thought they knew who he was
Umm, nah he was involved in gang shit. I live 20 mins away from Tottenham, hell I live in the same borough as him. Everyone knows he was involved in gang shit, he was a drug dealer. His son is now rapper that is involved in a gang, the gang is a Tottenham gang called OFB. The police shouldn't have murdered him but probably arrested him.
Is it possible that, if they first shot his torso, he instinctively reached over to the wound? His arms could've been in the air, and then he reached for the torso gunshot wound and that's when they shot his arm?
that makes a lot of sense actually
That sounds like the most likely scenario.
Most likely
I think this is a very good theory but I think the forensic specialists knew which bullet entered him first. Don’t ask how but they know these things
The two shots were very very close together time wise so that couldn’t have happened
Stories like this not only breaks my heart, it makes me so angry.
the fact that they chose THAT picture is so evil
He with his baby girl now🕊
Stfu just say you're racist and go.
@Ru paul are you emotionally stunted and completely ignorant? Police aren’t meant to fucking kill people
@@mccakequeen why play the race card? Mark Duggan (THE CRIMINAL THUG) had a white mother which means he was just as white as he was black. Nice try though. I shall wait for you to reply calling me a "racist" for pointing these facts to you...people like you are more predictable than you realise. Honestly.
it disgusts me how they could do that, at this lost child’s gravesite when he’s probably and his saddest, weakest and more vulnerable. it’s horrible.
when she showed the uncropped picture of mark holding up a heart stone for his baby girl that the media skewed my heart instantly shattered. this poor man and his poor family, we'll never forget you ❤
no...
@@spiritj7062 no? wym no
@@bbyhaechxn5459 I agree wym by “no”?
They seriously hid it? That's fucked up.
His family? That man had 3 girlfriends.........
Have I studied the whole Mark Duggan case? Yes. Will I watch this whole video because Eleanor made it? Also yes
LMAO ME
Lol, same! I remember reading on it a few years back, but it had been so long since I did
Mark duggan is my uncle
@Yorkshire Tea no amount of kids would ever make me think murdering another human being is acceptable, it’s very selfish of you to say “they’re a threat to MY life so it doesn’t matter if THEIR life ends” police don’t need to shoot up a person to make violence go away, they tried that and look what happened...yeah riots happened (even more violence due to anger from the mistake of a police force). It would be amazing if you provided proof as a rebuttal against hers, she’s in no way prejudice or selective about the cases she talks about so what would make you think she lied about the facts to fit a “narrative”? You as an adult need to think logically, this happened 9 years ago and now history has repeated itself. So please tell me how killing a human will solve anything because to me that only causes more violence, in 2020 George Floyd was unnecessarily killed did that solve anything? No, it only caused protests and riots. Take a seat before you act like you know everything
@Yorkshire Tea it’s pathetic to condone murder, and regardless those riots were still sparked bc of his death. There’s a facility called prison or jail especially made for criminals which he was not one. Why is it that ppl can own a gun and call it their second amendment rights but this man couldn’t? You’re no better than the image you make of him. If he was really a criminal you’re one too, for thinking that the only solution is to kill when there’s other ways this could’ve been handled. I suggest you grow tf since you’re more immature than a 17 year old. How would you like it if your kid got murdered for something they didn’t do? Your lack of evidence proves my point, I suggest you find a source to back up your claims and if you can’t do that it just shows how ignorant you really are. Get some help psycho boomer
Living in Manchester in 2011 as a child was scary! I remember my dad not letting us go anywhere without him because he was scared for us because people took advantage of this cause, the majority of those rioting in Manchester were teenagers that didn’t know what had happened to Mark or any of the other black victims. Thankyou for such an in-depth video because back then I had no idea what was happening x
another example of police using unnecessary force when that’s supposed to be a last resort.
THIS
Factz
EXACTLY!
Frank Russell shut up, he could’ve been locked up. But murdered??
@@thekodicam it's true though, we don't need gang members with guns in London who impregnated women and left them on their own.
Cases like this make me so angry.
Black rights and black lives are not expendable.
They are not up for debate.
The black community has been fighting for their rights for longer than is necessary.
All because of the colour of their skin.
As Muhammad Ali said, the black community has been told for years that their kids and their kids will have it better. But it hasn’t gotten better.
Black men, women and children are still being beaten and killed, their families are still mourning, and the protests are still happening.
When is enough enough?
@@lordliam9840 and? That doesn’t mean his life is worth any less.
@@lordliam9840 did..... did you watch the video? imagine being this racist. may YOU rot in hell. if this was a white man, you'd say he was misunderstood and went down the wrong path.
@BobbyG when the hell did i imply that. tell me when i implied that.
@Lord Liam so your telling me that you have never scared anyone in your life it was also mostly just assumptions the fact that you could even say something as disgusting at that makes you ten times worse than him. No one deserves to die, prison time, yes that is the whole reason a prison is made but no one deserves death. Just because he "sold" drugs does not give the police the okay pass to murder a him, in fact if people got killed just because of something they did wrong or because of something they did while they were young then no one would be alive! I'm sick of people like you wanting to spread your disgusting opinions on a comment yes we have rights but if you don't have something nice to say then don't say it at all.
P.S how would you feel if someone was glad that you were dead and wished that you would "rot in hell"!
@@theblessedlifeofateen5783 preach!!
the fact that they granted the police to be able to remain anonymous is ridiculous. they murdered him they need to face the consequences. if it wasn’t the police i know for sure they wouldn’t be allowed to remain anonymous.
Actually the legal system give people new identities and make them anonymous all the time, even really dangerous people, one example is John venebles and Robert Thompson. Too many people get to just evade the consequences of their actions.
@@AmyAberrant i think john venebles was a child if i’m correct? i can. see that even though what he did was horrible but a grown POLICEMEN
@@Steph-lf3zq oh I agree it’s gross 🤢
Wasnt a murder though it was a lawful killing, theres a lot of misinformation on this video
THIS !!!!!
I think it's absolutely heartbreaking that the media decided to use a picture of him at his DAUGHTERS GRAVE!!! WHAT?! and to make him look like a 'thug' as well?! that is absolutely horrific and must be so painful for the family. rest in peace and power mark❤
the cropping of the photo always makes me so angry. he was a father, and was grieving the loss of his daughter and the media took that photo and still managed to spin it and make him out to be a violent person.
goes to show how gross the media is and how biased the general public is.
Yeah that made me fucking sick! So mad over the media skewing things!
I actually started crying when you showed the full picture of him holding the heart for his daughter. Why is the world like this :/
Because some in it are evil and corruption!
I know,he was a lovely bloke.....
Same
Can police officers ever admit they were scared and made a mistake like ever !?! Why do they always try to lie and defend their unnecessary actions ? 🤦🏽
I sware there was a case in the mid 00's when the police shot a suspected terrorist on the London underground. But it was an innocent Brazilian guy and they admitted there mistake but no police got sacked or prosecuted for it.
That's so sad. I hate that police can get away with anything
That’s because they know what they are doing they are grown men
Heres the thing. I would almost be more likely to sympathize with a police officer who admitted that they panicked, shot without warrant, and fucked up.
But the officer, and whole department that lie, and cover this shit up.. and deny their wrong doing, their the ones that deserve an eye for an eye.
@@2781smithy yeah that’s the Jean Charles de Menezes case. It was an incredibly fucked up situation and the Met have never truly been held responsible.
I lived in a nearby town in London, and it was a massive heatwave at the time of the riots! I worked in a kitchen and we weren't allowed to open the doors for 2 weeks because the company was worried about the riots starting in our town, and being looted as the nearby shops had been, as we were fairly close. I really remember sticking my head out the door during the 3 day riots and you could hear a pin drop. It was like a mini lockdown of the local area of everyone being concerned it was going to happen here too.
I was absolutely appaulled by the situation and knowing people who were trying to get into the riots or start one in this neighbouring town.
RIP Mark Duggan, I honestly hope that noone forgets this injustice for him and his family. Thank you for doing this story, there were very few things I didn't know about this story, but it filled in gaps that the media were spinning.
Hi Eleanor, it would mean so much to the people of Hull if you could cover Christopher Alder’s unlawful murder by police which took place back in 1998 - his family are STILL campaigning for justice (his sister Janet literally spoke today at a BLM protest)
Love to you ❤️❤️❤️
Yes I completely agree. I live in Hull and Christopher alder is such a weird case it doesn't make sense. Plus his family buried a woman 😢 thinking it was him xx
Sarah Mearns it deserves so much more attention!
@@sarahmearns4430 what I'm in the US so I have not heard of this but am very intrigued so I'm going to do an internet search
@@sarahmearns4430 I remember it happening when I was about 11 years old. And then years later it turned out his body had been misplaced or something mental. They'd mixed him up with an elderly woman. I met Janrlet Alder a couple of times. Really nice lady who's been through absolute hell.
@@LoudaroundLincoln yeah they got his body mixed up so his family buried an elderly lady. Then years later they found out 😢. I really hope she covers his story xx
So disturbed that they used the picture from his daughters grave site, turns my stomach.
Eleanor is not only serving us interesting facts and stories but also LOOKS
Clari MM 💯💯💯
As always 😌
istg i love looking at her she's so pretty🥺
frrr
Yep she’s fucking gorgeous
I remember these riots so clearly. I worked on a retail park at this time and the centre had a direct train link from London Liverpool Street. On one of the days when people were rioting, our shopping centre got a call to say they'd been tipped off that rioters/looters were on their way to the centre and we needed to clear out in case the police couldn't intercept them in time. So we were all sent home within minutes and escorted out by security and police. It was terrifying and I didn't know the full story of Mark Duggan back then, being about 16, but although I didn't agree with the rioting and looting, I can completely understand their anger and frustration. With people being left homeless and businesses being destroyed, it was devastating.
i currently live in tottenham, and all i can say is that police brutality hasnt left the area. nor london in general
Robin Shouts! i felt this
@BobbyG Honestly never had any trouble with crime in london. always been cops
Facts
Gang mentality hasn't left the area. Police do a tough job dealing with evil gang members.
Police policy is to be as brutal as possible. Every time one of them fucks up we hear, "oh this is a one off". Its not a one off. Not in the North anyway. They had that coming for a long while.
I remember when the riots happened and I was too young to understand it enough to look into it. I’m glad you covered it, I’m now 22 and glad to know the full story
You didn’t understand shit at 13? Was you a tc?
@@barrycollins795 I’m 13 rn 🤣
@@brookex07xx okay but what has that got to do with Anything?
@@barrycollins795 i was just saying god 🤣✋🏻
@@brookex07xx I’m just asking god 😂✋🏼
I think the reason why the witness testimonies were so different was because their brains were trying to fill in the gaps of the event. I remember learning it in psychology, when under stress people don't remember exact things, they only focus on the most shocking things rather than the smallest details. When questioned they try to link everything together so they fill in any gaps, even if they arent true to what happened.
Also a reason why the police should have missed a flying gun (if the gun on the other side of the fence did actually belong to Mark).
Aye I remember learning about this too
i seen an experiment where they set up a crime and asked 6 witnesses what happened they couldnt even agree with each other what colour coat the guy had on
Hi! I do forensic research in university specifically on eyewitness recollection, and what you’re saying is generally true. As humans we do have a hard time remembering events, and things become even harder to remember when “fear” is involved (ex. violence, guns, loud noise, etc.). We do have a tendency to fill in the gaps of our memory which eventually become “false memories” when we replay it so often that it becomes our truth. Hope this helps!
Or they lying
Her - I’m sure you’ve Heard of the London riots.
Me who has lived under a rock my whole life -
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when she showed us the uncropped picture used in the media i- my heart bro-
Me: I'm so bored
Elenore Neal: "Suh todayeh's videyah is..."
You nailed it 👏 👌 😂❤😍
accurate
It's actually not spelled like that 😂😂
😂😂😂😂
@@aleksandralempart8305 they were trying to spell it how she pronounced it
Uk drill fans know mark well, bandokay is for sure carrying his dads name well.
Yes bandokay is spreading love and positivity and is a role model for children
电影 not every needs to be a role model for kids
@@JJ-ok3er True, but is there something wrong with being one?
@@pretzelmaker3122 I know right? @JJ why would you even say that in this context? It just seems needlessly and intentionally antagonistic.
I love how brave you are to say the truth and hold no punches on what is right about racism.. you have a very true heart and for that... thank you 🙏🏽💜🌺
“Feds can’t stand me just cos I look like my daddy” ❤️❤️❤️
🙌🏾
He carries his dads name well❤️
CCTV: we can’t catch murderers but we can catch rioters
Ummm
@Ru paul it is a bad thing
@Ru paul he was most likely not a future murderer
Yep sure can , also because riots are recorded on people's phones and sent to police....not rocket science really
Most people SNITCH When the going gets tough
Also when something goes wrong we all call the police....
Eleanor there's a case I've been dying for someone to cover and I'd love for it to be you because of the high quality and amazing content you produce. Someone in my small town of Mooresburg, Tennessee killed someone. They guy who killed this old woman was Kyle Wolfe, I went to school with him my whole life and none of us know why he did it and none of us can put in an understandable way, I really hope you see this 💕
Wow I hope she covers it as well
I really hope Eleanor will cover this
I want to like your comment but it's currently at 69 so
@@jayanderson147 HAHA OMG
We definitely need more coverage on TN craziness
Thank you so much for covering this case Eleanor!!
The fact that they cropped a picture of him at his daughters grave sight while holding a very emotional message to make him look bad is evil. It's bad enough to crop a picture to make someone look bad but to choose such an emotional picture is disgusting...
:(
Time stamp?
@@noemontgomery1663 about 45:12
@@jellybean984 thank you!
@@noemontgomery1663 no problem!
Can you look at my sister Melissa's unsolved (we know who did it) case? Georgia Marie did a video on her case and my family is trying to bring awareness to it. 💜 The video is called What Happened to Melissa Platt Midweek Mystery. I sent you a message on IG on it. My sister was severely beaten and left for days in unimaginable pain laying in her own urine and feces. She was covered head to toe in bruises of varying age, her jaw was broken in two places, and she had a brain bleed, also a strangulation mark on her neck. The person responsible was never charged with a single thing. October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. If you're in a dangerous situation, please try your best to get out. 💜
Sending love to your family 💜 hope Melissa gets the recognition she deserves :(
I'm so sorry that your family went through this horrific loss. My heart breaks for your sister. I hope you get justice
Holy shit.. Sending much love and strength to you and your family 💜
I am so incredibly sorry for your loss.
omg im so sorry you and your family and especially your sister had to go through that, i really hope she gets justice in the future 💜
Me: Huh I wonder when Eleanor is gonna post..
Eleanor: *Posts a video*
Me: I- Thank you beautiful woman 🥰✨
i was thinking the same haha
I have a journalism degree - wanted to be a reporter since I was 10 years old. It’s cases like this that made me realise how money is the driving factor behind all news reports - not getting to the truth which is why I wanted to be a journalist.
My heart goes out to Mark’s family. A true tragedy.
Surely, even if Mark did throw his gun away, his killing still wouldn’t be justified. How can a person, having literally just disarmed himself be an imminent threat to anyone?! You can’t use a gun that is no longer in your possession. I don’t think the rioting was at all acceptable, but the police are notoriously criminally corrupt and should not just be let off because of their position in society. I believe that no one is above the law and Mark still deserves his justice. My heart breaks for his family!! Thanks for this video! 😘
even if the gun was on his waistband that isn’t grounds to shoot him, unless the gun is in his hand where they can see it there’s no reason to shoot him
It’s easy to say the riots are unacceptable if you’ve never been personally affronted by police brutality & racism. Oppressors don’t listen to peace.
K A I see your point of view, thanks for your reply! I think I’m referring more specifically to the point that Eleanor raised about the damage done to people’s livelihoods who weren’t police or rioters. I should have made that clear in my comment. I don’t know, I agree that peaceful protests aren’t always successful, but I don’t think it’s fair for ordinary people to deal with the collateral damage that these riots in particular caused. It is also important to remember that Mark’s family didn’t condone any violence or harm, they want/wanted answers and justice. I think we still need a lot of reform, but I think that that is most effectively achieved through discussion as opposed to rage...
@@kesharaa2355 the riots were unacceptable, they weren’t even for mark and his family in the end. people were just using this tragedy to smash shit up, same with the blm riots, we need to separate the people trying to get justice for black people and the people just using it for self gain
@@UsInSearchOfMeaning I can agree with those points in terms of violence against people who were innocent & the collateral damage in that regard
please do the shukri abdi case it would mean a lot to the black and muslim community
Please do this caseeeeeeee
Yes please, I’m all the way in Australia but this case is always on my mind 😔
if you want to watch a case about a muslim family she has already done one about a girl called shafilea ahmed. but i agree, shruki deserves better and her story should be heard
ŵÓŵ the one where her family killed her in fort of her sister
@@ET-qb1oq yep that one
So many things sadden me about this case but I think one of the saddest is that even after all that rioting, the justice system still managed to fail him
Government cover these murders assess
Thank you so much for your amazing work, and for linking forensic architecture. Their whole channel is soooo interesting, I knew I'd be binging 10 sec in, but seriously underrated!!!
This case is so infuriating, the way the media portrayed him was disgusting. To use an image of a grieving father to depict him as a thug is horrible. He could have looked hard faced because he was holding back tears....
I don’t believe he did it or had a gun and I think the police placed the gun. If it came out that they had unlawfully killed a man which sparked the riots..... wouldn’t go down well🤷🏻♀️
BobbyG I think they mean placing the gun on the grass vs. the gun was still in the car.
The picture they used was cut off at the bottom in which it shows him holding a heart with I cant remember what was on it but it had something to do with someone who died if that makes sense
BobbyG you’re under every comment section. save your energy & just admit you’re a racist. he did NOT have a gun on him. they lied ab seeing a gun. get over yourself bruv
@@sssssmglllllll01891 are you kidding?? You have no idea this mans reasons and you just bust out "your a racist" that's what's wrong now a days!!! Do you call people pedophiles for no reason
Alicia A Morgan LMFAOO the two have no correlation, weirdo. i stated in my comment he was under multiple comments saying the same thing. he’s come to the video to spew negativity and has ignored the FACTS. you mad miss alicia a morgan ?????? crybaby.
I'm an American, this happens over here all the time. Bad cops covering their butts. It's a shame. You do good work❤❤❤
It rarely happens here infact nothing similar has happened since
Frank Russell it happens in the uk😭😭dk where in the uk u live but it happens, the uk isn’t innocent
@@d0n0tdisturb People killing people in the UK happens? I am from London btw
@@d0n0tdisturb the police dont have guns tho?
Clara Halstead police brutality still exists without guns. racial profiling and aggression towards black people by the police happens a lot more than people want to admit in the uk. unfortunately some of our police still hold the same prejudice over here, they just use different tactics to carry it out
“Feds can’t stand me just cah look like my daddy” 🕊
"Im angry feds got down half of my family"
@Mike Jones he constantly gets stopped by police because he looks like his dad
❤️🕊 I feel so bad for Bando
He really does look like his father
@@jinjuminah6053 they look identical, rip to mark
I work in broad water farm where this all happened. It’s still remembered in our community. Thank you for this video ❤️
The part about how the media cropped the photo made me indescribably angry.. that was such a personal moment for him and for the media to use it to paint him in a bad light makes me sick
I moved to London when I was 19 the day before this happened. I went down for an accidental 24 hour jet-lagged “nap.” When I woke up, my roommates and I had breakfast where they informed me “not to be concerned about the riots being within a mile from us, they started while you were asleep.” It was a wild start to my time there.
I was at work got sent home as they were down the road from us. Didn't touch our shop lucky but it was close
I'm starting to detect some racial bias. *"Oh, this guy is black and has been convicted of minor crimes, that makes him a gangster."* If there was no evidence that he was involved in gang activities, then he's innocent.
Why was he picking up a gun? Not saying he deserved this, its disgusting and those cops are clearly bent as fuck but why was he getting involved in guns?
@@lynsey4224 true. If you carry a gun then you are pure evil
@@sidsnot6952 lol
@Anonymous don't care. No excuse to carry an illegal gun. Live by the gun, die by the gun. Imagine if he used the gun and shot an innocent bystander by mistake. I'm not happy that he died but if he made better decisions then he would be alive.
the dude picked up a illegal gun from a friend...duuuuude
i remember when the BML movement in 2020 pushed its way across america and being so happy that something like this was finally being covered by media, but those few protesters that took it too far towards the night and began to vandalize and cause mass destruction only made the media focus on that instead of the good cause that it was initially there for.
i’m not team police, i’m never going to be, but doing all that and hurting police officers who weren’t doing any harm prior, it’s makes us no better than them.
Elenora: *metions police*
Mom “sniffah doegs wya”
LMAO! I LOVE HER!❤
can i be friends with your mom
Properly my favourite comment 😂👌🏾
elenora🥰
The racists are really revealing themselves in this comment section fr...Anyway RIP Mark💕 murdered for no reason.
They literally hunted him down for no reason.
Imani Girl if it was a white person they wouldn’t be calling him a ‘gangster’ they would somehow find a way to justify the actions of the person but obviously since he’s black they believe everything the police stay even if it’s not possible .. 😴
Jack Brown Being racist towards people who have done NOTHING to you or to people who don’t influence your life at all is disgusting karma will get u.
Nayxo in the words of Dave “if he’s white he’s ill & confused but if he’s black they see him & shoot”. That’s so true 😢
BobbyG If someone has possession of a gun, they should just be murdered, right? God you KNOBHEAD can you even hear yourself ?
Who remembers the guy that stole Tesco basmati rice
YES BAHAHAHHA
Omg yes 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Will never forget it lol
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Kimberley Brown there’s a pic of a guy holding a bag of basmati rice that he stole in the riots, just became a sort of joke. can probably find it on google
Wow ! That cropped image the media used was insane! I’m glad you pointed this out.
i got so choked up seeing the sign with Mark’s face that said “we miss u daddy.” that completely broke my heart. his kids had just lost a sibling, and then they lost their daddy. his young kids. it doesn’t matter is mark was involved in crime, he was a human being with a family. if he were a white man, he wouldn’t have been shot. hell, i doubt he would’ve been scared enough to run out of the taxi. i’ve had to take a few days to get through this video because it makes my blood boil and my heart break. when a black man is murdered, we talk about his past. when a white man murders, we talk about his future. how twisted is that? my heart goes out to mark’s family, especially his kids. i hope they will be able to grow up in a better world because people aren’t just accepting that their daddy was murdered. they deserve it. ❤️
@Cole S 🤢🤮 what a disgusting comment
If he didn't carry a gun he would still be alive.
@Cole S absolutely not.
His son is in the charts making him proud
Yes he did he was criminal who 5hrough the nothing of having illegal firearm
Can you cover the case of grace milliane? She was a British tourist who travelled to Auckland New Zealand and she met up with a man who then she was last seen with and went missing and her body turned up around a week and a bit later
This case is super local to me, I think it’s too soon to be covered. People are still very much coming to terms with it, more time needs to pass.
@@parisbowers8004 oh no, how terrible! When did this happen and have they convicted anybody yet?:
@@chelseamccurley941 they have but the man has name suppression and anyone who breaches that (even in the UK) can be charged for it. It's a really touchy case here as a lot of us don't believe he was brought to justice. It's been nearly two years now
@@Eamberlee may I ask what breach of suppression is??
As an NZer, this case was particularly angering to watch unfold, mostly because of the defense the guy had. I've never felt more embarrassed and sorry for a person in my life (Grace Millane).
The fact that they took that picture almost made me cry. Imagine that being you, it's just horrible
Time stamp?
DON'T CRY FOR VIOLENT CRIMINALS
@@PatrickEvans-x1v did you watch the video at all
@@kyleew19 I dont need to... I knew him personally.
@@PatrickEvans-x1v cap
I love you, I knew nothing about this. THANK YOU
is anyone gonna mention how clever it was the eleanor jumped frames when she was talking about the video?🥺 39:50
and as bandokay said, feds can’t stand me just cause i look like my daddy❤️
the way they had to twist the evidence to justify murdering someone... a man was running away with no gun in sight and they killed him instead of arresting him. those cops don't deserve anonimity or to be free, they should be in jail where murderers are supposed to be.
And there were 11 armed officers and one unarmed man. End of day, that’s murder. They had absolutely no reason to shoot at him.
@@hayleym50 ALL CRIMINAL SHOULD BE EXECUTED... STOP GLORIFYING CRIMINALS. LONDON IS A VIOLENT CITY THANKS TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU, WHO WORSHIP THESE CRIMINALS
@@PatrickEvans-x1v wow
@@PatrickEvans-x1vthere are levels to crimes the guy MAY have had a gun and the police officer is a murder (also a police officer has no right to execute someone for smth they MAY have done thats why there are trials and many many responsible people are in position of applying the execution after evidence have been giving and proved that the man deserve this execution )
@@PatrickEvans-x1v lmao you're a whole joke 🤡
This is why we say black lives matter ✊🏿
the whole way this was handled is absolutely infuriating, especially the way the media tried to paint this victim as a violent criminal. Those officers do not need anonymity they need to be held accountable for this murder that they not only committed but tried to cover up.
Yeah - nothing violent about him. He was just casually travelling with a gun. The same gun that btw: *DNA evidence later showed that Hutchinson-Foster had used the same gun that he later passed to Mr Duggan to pistol-whip a man at a barber shop in Hackney*
A M What did Mark have to do with anything Hutchinson done.. keep quiet.
@@nayxo3698 I won't engage someone with a racist name.
@@nayxo3698 There’s proof that Hutchinson was supplying Duggan with two guns, one Duggan was planning on selling or giving away. The other was his own. Hutchinson was a renowned gun-dealer.
@@AM2K2 when he was murdered he didn't have the gun and wasn't doing anything violent, in the situation of his death yes he was innocent because there was no weapon on him, also what Huntchinson did had nothing to do with his death, yes he gave him the gun but he didn't tell him to pistol whip the man he made that decision himself
I remember a man running down my road holding a TV that he had stolen from the local Tesco, knocking on peoples doors asking if they could hold onto it while he ran to get his car for him to be able to take it home. Those three days were the weirdest days of my childhood
They definitely planted that gun! No way he could have thrown a gun 7 meters away with no one seeing him do it! The amount of force you’d have to put in the throw in order for it to travel 7 meters would have been massive, he would have had to put his whole upper body into it which you wouldn’t miss
Rubbish. He was a man with an illegal gun.
@@sidsnot6952 and that justifies murder? Seriously?
@@sidsnot6952 rubbish no dna even on the gun u talk so much bs
@@sidsnot6952 Then where was the gun? Did it disintegrate?
@@ihateeverything3344 a gun in a sock was found nearby.
My BIL was a riot officer there and he said he was SO hard because he was completely with the protestors but it is rarely actual protestors that make these things violent. I feel so much for the family as they had all this lined to them.
I can’t express how grateful I am that you chose to cover this case.
The police were clearly in the wrong, I’m so mad that they got away with it
Riots are the voices of the unheard - Martin Luther King. This is something we ALL need to remember.
PEACEFUL PROTESTS... Lawd!
@@sendhelp6537 no. MLK specifically said riots as he believed violence gets stuff done
@@rhiannonlois6880 he said people who riot are unheard. He did not say that riots are a good idea.
@@104musiclover he endorsed
rioters and riots many times.
@@rhiannonlois6880 however time and time again history has shown that riots and rioters have the opposite effect of the cause they are after. Riots end up ruining the livelihoods of would-be and real supporters. They delve into a level of violence that most people want nothing to do with. Protest to be heard, but know that rioting will never be the way.
Girl this video is what made me subscribe .. I absolutely love you ! Thank you for covering this story
Thank you for using your platform to raise awareness! I’m from the US and we don’t really hear much about racial issues in Europe. It’s good to know that there are people worldwide fighting for what’s right.
We have a lot of racial issues . My grandson is mixed race and suffers racism at school . My friends are bikers & rastas and they get shit from the filth all the time .
Me: wish I had a new case to listen to while I do these assignments
Eleanor: Soh taday's vidyeo....
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I was just thinking the same thing😂
Lol so me rn!
How could officers see the gun in his waistband if he threw it out the window before he got out of the taxi?
Or if it was in a sock??
@@francesthurogood945 exactly! That sock part really stood out to me, it doesn’t add up
Live by the gun die by the gun
@@sidsnot6952 you are aware dirty cops exist?????????
@@NastyWoman1979 yes, but most are decent people who work in difficult environments.
my heart broke into pieces the second you showed the full photo of him at his daughters grave
I don't usually comment on video but thank you very much Eleanor for respectfully telling his story, u are the definition of GRACE.
I was confused about the gun thing bc I’m from America and I forget that it’s illegal to have guns in the UK
You can own a gun with a licence but it's difficult to get one.
i literally cried when you showed the full picture that the media used... this story is so completely heartbreaking
Time stamp?
I binge-watch your videos while drawing because they help me focus and I'm always really interested in the cases that you cover, you have an amazing voice and are incredibly respectful when your treat these topics. this video so far was the only one that made me legit tear up, the picture that was demonized by media was just horrible.
racial injustice is such a hard topic to cover and you did an amazing job, it's such a shame he didn't get the justice he deserved but alas, we live in a cruel world.
SAME LMAOOOOOOOOO
The whole throwing the gun thing doesn't make any sense to me. If he was somehow in the process of throwing the gun when he was shot shouldn't the police have seen that he was getting rid of the gun and not shoot him? In order for the gun to get that far he would have had to have already brought his arm back and then fully swung it and released or else the gun would have dropped either right behind or right in front of him when he was shot so there's no way they wouldn't have known what he was doing.
Just no dna from him on the gun either 🤦🏽♀️
Theres a good video that shows that if he had thrown the gun upon leaving the taxi, there were four police officers who would have had a very clear view, although every one of them completely denied ever seeing a gun being thrown
@@eleanorgouldie9355 so then, whether he was in the process of getting rid of the gun when he was shot like the official conclusion states or whether he threw it right after getting out of the cab, if he really had thrown it there would be no way that police wouldn't have realize that he was disarming/had disarmed himself which would mean that there's no way to call it a justified shooting. It's so ridiculous that they tried to brush it under the rug like that when even their own evidence seems to prove that they were in the wrong.
Fun fact: his son is a famous rapper now. Bandokay.
i’m surprised not that many people are in the comments saying this and “3sj”
That was one of the first things she said lol
@@tyla_2397 my bad, I like leaving comments beforehand based on the metadata info, bad habit of mine
@@yungbeatz8261 tbh free him he wasn't directly involved in K1s murder, and there was no evidence on him either apart from OSavs statement which he wrote in order to drag others to jail with him
@@user-qi5yl1od7r i think he was only involved cuz he was there but he didn’t do anything
the most iconic photo that came from the riots though is the guy with a massive sack of tesco value rice
Eleanor, I am new to your channel, and I absolutely love it!! I just want to say thank you for bringing light this horrible tragedy. And, thank you for your powerful words and your point of view.S So sorry this happened to Mark. God Bless him and his family. And thank you for recognizing that Black Lives Matter, wherever in the world you are. 🙏🏾❤💪🏾
may his mother, his significant others, his children find peace somewhere some how. this breaks my heart Mark wasn’t given justice, and his family has to sit and watch that when he was never in the wrong.
Mark Duggan didn't deserve to die yes arrested but not murdered it's annoying that he didn't get justice
what would he get arrested for?
@@lamarmohamed1109 guns r illegal
@@jamie-leighgibson2338 it’s probs not his
@@lamarmohamed1109 doesn't matter it was in his possession he collected it from a known criminal to hide evidence
@@jamie-leighgibson2338 Jamie has been replying to every comment trying to justify his death for some reason??? Are u ok luv
me being american ive never heard this case, second eleanor showed the first pic of mark my first response was just "woah that's a beautiful man right there"
Me either
I’m in the UK and I think the same 👀
@@jodielouise3209 you must be very young
@@MrDanielfff777 you must have no life
Same lol
I’m sat watching this now in 2024 while the whole of the UK are now rioting over the deaths of the 3 little angels that were murdered in my town Southport😢x
I’m American so I had no idea this case or the riots existed! Will update with my American opinion on it when I finish🥰
Connor Macartney hear my man
There's over 300 million Americans - you're talking about yourself like your some rare find. No one cares.
@@AM2K2 uh- ok? she never said that she was "some rare kind". please buzz off
@@noelle_c8380 Buzz off?! Language, sir.
@@AM2K2 *ma'am. You're correct, there is over 300 million Americans, but she wasn't stating that she was the only american to watch it.
Tbh whatever he was about to do - whether he wanted to surrender or pull his gun - they should've just dissarmed him, render him immobile or whatever, but shooting him directly into his chest?! What kind of police school did they go to?
Right!?
What kind of police hunt a man down cause what they think like yeah I think he’s in a gang and is buying a gun . Seems weird to me
From what I know of *American* police officers, they are specifically not taught to shoot in the arm, leg, hand, foot, etc. but only taught “shoot to kill”... 😒
Regular police school thats why they shot him 🤦♂️
@BobbyG clearly that article is biased
The riots also happened in Birmingham too, I remember having to leave college earlier and not being able to get home because the buses wouldn’t come to the center. It scared the life out of me. 😩
“He was a good boyfriend and father” *had multiple side pieces and other children* yeah ok miss girl 😂
None of that was even relevant...? He was a good father to every girlfriend and wife he had. Cheating and havinf girlfriends isnt even a crime, that should never be mentioned in this case, especially mentioned to paint him in a bad light.
if thats the only thing you comment about out of the WHOLE VIDEO. its definitely racially motivated. Morals are never, to my knowledge, mentioned in crime. Morals do not equal crime
@@pee9570 I wasn’t saying the reason he did anything was because he was a cheater I was just pointing out how it was ironic that she said he was a good boyfriend but was with other women and yeah I did watch the whole thing you have to be pretty dense not to realize it was racially motivated.