MIKE MENTZER: "THE BEST ROUTINE FOR HARD GAINERS!" #mikementzer #fitness #motivation #gym

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  • @mlb7583
    @mlb7583 8 місяців тому +160

    Rest days are Hard when gym is your social time , free time , mental health time , your get away from all your problems time but once you get that feeling of a good rest in you followed by learning how to gain strength with those rest days it's actually pretty addicting as well. I know each time I take a rest days when I come back I feel stronger and can lift more it makes you want to take those days off

    • @Russellviews
      @Russellviews 8 місяців тому +18

      I agree. Its weird at first to take so much time off. However I started noticing how much better I felt. I didn't feel as drained. Then you come back to the gym raring to go! I'm SO ready to beat my last lift knowing I'll have 3 days to feel the growth and I want to make sure I kick my own ass to maximize it.

    • @thedadgeek4793
      @thedadgeek4793 8 місяців тому +8

      Take a cooking class or learn a new skill. Take that time to better your mind and learn to think.

    • @ChahilAthletics
      @ChahilAthletics 8 місяців тому +9

      If you do want to go to gym on rest days just do zone 2 cardio and mobility/stability work. As long as you don't deplete your glycogen stores I think you'll be fine.

    • @susanwojcickisnicetwin
      @susanwojcickisnicetwin 8 місяців тому +2

      ​@@ChahilAthleticsI do 20-30 minutes of walking and have a stretching routine afterward. Right now I'm focusing on hip mobility and ankle range of motion.

    • @TruthTriumphs786
      @TruthTriumphs786 8 місяців тому +9

      Gym is not the place to socialize...Do your sh it and move out

  • @ryanmccoy3844
    @ryanmccoy3844 6 місяців тому +14

    I recently switched to HIT from high volume. The progress has been amazing. The hardest part about HIT is resisting the desire to overtrain.

    • @Def65-479
      @Def65-479 5 місяців тому +1

      I just switched to HIT too. I swear I've made more progress in 2 months than I have in 3 years with "overtraining."

  • @JGH1708
    @JGH1708 8 місяців тому +41

    Into my 6th month of HIT. Loving the intensity and extra time out of the gym to work on other things.

    • @luisleduc7222
      @luisleduc7222 8 місяців тому +1

      Yeah I don’t do 💩 either!

    • @kidnamedre
      @kidnamedre 8 місяців тому +2

      How has your physique and strength been since doing this

    • @JGH1708
      @JGH1708 8 місяців тому +2

      @@kidnamedre I'm 52 and been training for about 25 years. Strength has gone up alot in the past 6 months. Physique wise Im looking better in the shoulders and chest. My goal is to be back in the same shape I was at 40 before the end of the Australian summer in march 2024. Looking to drop a couple of percentages of bodyfat while holding as much muscle as possible.

    • @theJ3ZA
      @theJ3ZA 7 місяців тому +1

      What changes have you gotten? Growth and strength increases?

  • @FabriceTerrade
    @FabriceTerrade 8 місяців тому +24

    This is the hardest part of HIT. To adjust your workout precisely to your individual genetic recovery ability so as NOT overtrain and prevent gains. A constant tweaking between Intensity - Volume - and Recovery. Keeping a log is essential. This is the REAL game with HIT.

    • @marko-182
      @marko-182 8 місяців тому +7

      There’s no tweaks about intensity. But volume and rest yes.

    • @FabriceTerrade
      @FabriceTerrade 8 місяців тому +2

      @@marko-182 Correct.

    • @H.UN.K.
      @H.UN.K. 7 місяців тому +1

      I’m currently trying to figure this out, I’m on my second week. I’m doing Monday, Wednesday, and Friday as my training days how Mike initially had his client do it. I’m new to body building so I think that as I get stronger and lift heavier I might need more recovery time. I’m really liking HIT so far though, I feel like my body is getting results faster than ever.

    • @marko-182
      @marko-182 7 місяців тому +1

      @@H.UN.K. you should not train 2 days in a row

    • @H.UN.K.
      @H.UN.K. 7 місяців тому +1

      @@marko-182 I’m not, I have at a minimum one rest day between. Maybe more if I get busy. I’m trying to gauge how well my body recovers from the training.

  • @baronmeduse
    @baronmeduse 7 днів тому +1

    I got Mike's Heavy Duty when it first came out, normal 'mail order' all the way to the UK, it's only about 60 pages. I did actually do two blocks of training using the routine outlined in the book, but didn't like doing leg extensions because they hurt my knees. Around the same time I had a couple of pamphlets by Brooks Kubik and Stuart McRobert's book 'Brawn' which was mail order from Cyprus! (McRobert published 'Hardgainer' magazine ad also wrote for Iron Man), which share a bit of overlap with Mentzer's Heavy Duty, but they are bodybuilding/powerlifting crossover. I have to say that Kubik's routine plans got me to a 110Kg (242lbs) bench press in about 18 months. Also stressing the 'basics and brevity' view of not stacking on endless volume and actually training hard. It was only after reading 'Brawn' that I properly started using a training journal. During that time I would drop in 12 week cycles using Mentzer's pre-exhaust system for chest and back. I also used the 'hardgainer' routine he talks about here during lay-offs from powerlifting training. Mentzer is knocked a lot by the 'science based' crowd here in YT, but most of them employ a large number of things he first popularised before they were even born. In the late '90s just before he died Mentzer had a column in Iron Man where he was still developing ideas, it's a shame he went too soon.

  • @tm_2444
    @tm_2444 8 місяців тому +5

    I've on a HIT program and have been making meaningful progress, albeit rather slow, after having plateaued for months using the "more is better" thought process, mindlessly carrying out set after set. It just works

  • @menrbuiltnotborn6241
    @menrbuiltnotborn6241 7 місяців тому +8

    I trained for 6 years 5 days a week ! Gained very little , I kept doing more volume in an effort to force my muscles to grow ; from 6-8 sets a work out up to 40 sets sometimes !
    In retrospect when I didn’t grow I should have lowered volume instead of increasing it and had lots more rest days 😮

    • @user-so7jp5pw7r
      @user-so7jp5pw7r 6 місяців тому

      Trained 4 times In a week
      Leg & ABS
      Rest
      Shoulder and tri
      Rest
      Chest and bi
      Rest
      Back
      Rest
      Repeat again protein intake 2.2gm of your body weight carbs ATLEAST 250gm
      Be hydrated and never doing more than 15 sets
      Hit hard take a rest .

  • @americanthaiboxer7224
    @americanthaiboxer7224 8 місяців тому

    This thumbnail is badass!

  • @sagarsharma9793
    @sagarsharma9793 8 місяців тому +14

    damn bro wish i could meet a man like mike in my life but obviously it’s not possible to meet someone so intelligent like mike and that’s why i call him the WALTER WHILE of bodybuilding hats off to mike mentzer

    • @EhsanKia-ug4or
      @EhsanKia-ug4or 6 місяців тому

      He is more like Mike Ehrmantraut

  • @michaelmoore6287
    @michaelmoore6287 7 місяців тому +2

    I understand that the gym provides a social life, and is great for physical and mental health. I have learned though that systemic fatigue after a hard workout, needs to be followed by recovery. I love my gym time but life is too short to spend all of it training unless maybe you are a professional.
    Try training less, with shorter sessions and full recovery. If you want to socialize you can fine new coffee bars, book clubs or just do steady state cardio in the gym.
    Works for me and helps maintain my enthusiasm for training

  • @dennisrkb
    @dennisrkb 8 місяців тому +31

    Im an ectomorph, always have been. Eating 3500kcal and hovering around 180lbs (6'2") with moderate exercise. In my 20s I was killing myself in the gym doing full body 3x/week (starting strength) and hardly seeing any growth (it took me 1y to reach a 200lbs squat), and unsurprisingly so, when was my body supposed to grow, during my 24h of rest???
    Now doing HIT with a chest/back, shoulders/arms, legs split. One workout every 5 days. Squats went from 110lbs to 180lbs in 6 weeks. I only wish I had discovered (the philosophy/principles behind) HIT sooner. Better late than never..

    • @life_of_riley88
      @life_of_riley88 8 місяців тому +2

      Right there with ya. Took me 6 months at age 24 to put on like 5lbs. It was lean muscle, but I should have been waaaay bigger. I was overtraining on a massive scale. Dialed it back and only train once every 4-5 days now, not only do I feel better but my strength progress is much faster.

    • @bloodeagle2945
      @bloodeagle2945 8 місяців тому

      ​@@life_of_riley885 lbs of muscle in 6 months is still a lot though

    • @thuyennguyen501
      @thuyennguyen501 8 місяців тому

      But, the negative of the movement is lower, how can you increase weight in HIT program?

    • @bloodeagle2945
      @bloodeagle2945 8 місяців тому +2

      @@thuyennguyen501 what?

    • @DocSportello838
      @DocSportello838 8 місяців тому

      ​@@thuyennguyen501just use a weight that allows you to do the full range of motion in a slow and controlled manner (aka stop ego lifting) for 10 to 13 reps with proper form. Once you can do that, add a little bit of weight on the next session and repeat the process.

  • @user-cq8wn1ke5v
    @user-cq8wn1ke5v 7 місяців тому +2

    If you're a hard gainer one HIT workout and the rest for 10 to 15 days before you workout again with HIT.

  • @robranko5931
    @robranko5931 8 місяців тому

    So true.takin time off sux when ur there 4 mind satisfaction

  • @williammcmanus2841
    @williammcmanus2841 8 місяців тому +3

    As a construction worker i am sore some days just from working, so rest and grow is nealy nearly impossible.as i am a very hard gainer i believe i might be a "midget of recovery" or overtraining simply due to my lifestyle. I think ill try what he had his client do and cut down to pushups, chinups and dips for a while and see what happens. Ill throw in occasional squats and deadlifts as well.

  • @oliround
    @oliround 8 місяців тому +5

    Takes 7-10 for a muscle group to heal/recover fully. Don't ruin your progress by being childish and impatient.

  • @lesgibbs326
    @lesgibbs326 8 місяців тому +19

    I just finished Day 2 of the 4 day routine Legs 3 exercises...50% warm up on leg press 1 set leg ext to failure 1 set leg press to failure slight rest before 1 set calf to failure and didn’t even want to look at another piece of machinery....see you in 4 days time crazy 👍

    • @GizachewKelifa-oj2qg
      @GizachewKelifa-oj2qg 8 місяців тому +1

      I want to ask u this where did u start because I'm trying to start this spilt to bro

    • @yex3688
      @yex3688 8 місяців тому

      you don't need to rest 4 days, he would rest 4 days or much more because he was a mass monster, more mass, more rest, the strength and size can easily come up to 300% of evolution, but recovery ability only increases up by 50%.
      Start 1 day between workouts, after 3 months or much more, take a week off and then start to rest 2 days between. Got it?@@GizachewKelifa-oj2qg

    • @lesgibbs326
      @lesgibbs326 8 місяців тому +2

      Hi it's the ideal 4 day work out routine on this channel from Mike with plenty of rest Day1 chest+back Day2 legs Day3 shoulder +arms Day4 legs.
      Training days Mon-fri-tue-sat.
      Start with weight at first is the starting point with the rep range and train to failure once you have been through the 4 days you get an idea of the sweet spot where you your weight should start from. Keep a book to log your progress with you in the gym so that you accurately record gains either weight or reps . Have a look at the video to help you. Hope this helps buddy .

    • @jyothiradithyaiyer506
      @jyothiradithyaiyer506 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@lesgibbs326do you have a training mate? I don't and that's the biggest issue when it comes to hitting failure.

    • @lesgibbs326
      @lesgibbs326 7 місяців тому +1

      No don't train with anyone I am lucky most of training is on nautilus gear so once you can't do 1 more positive rep and fail I'm done. But can be hard if using free weights safely to failure for safely reasons, maybe ask if someone can spot you?
      Also using the Smith machine where possible is good as you can lock it out if you can't make the last rep.

  • @HDLifter
    @HDLifter 8 місяців тому

    I recall when this came out, in the MM2k series. Bill, unfortunately, wasn't the best interviewer. Regardless, Mike's message is clear regarding the importance of regulation.

  • @matthewhalliday8193
    @matthewhalliday8193 4 місяці тому +2

    The hard gainer who Mike cut back to three sets would his side delts see much results from bench press.

  • @poralay
    @poralay 8 місяців тому +3

    Massive integrations finally solved the problem, in other words. As Arthur Jones said: specialisation is for insects.
    Not specialisation, actually, but compartmentalisation.

  • @redbeardevildead3459
    @redbeardevildead3459 8 місяців тому

    Is there another guy like mike that also trains like this that could teach this?

    • @Walidwalidox18
      @Walidwalidox18 8 місяців тому +4

      Dorian yates / Jay vincent / Doug Mcguff / Arthur jones / Ellington Darden

  • @Russellviews
    @Russellviews 8 місяців тому +8

    Recently I tried doing HIT training chest only. For three workouts in a row, with 3 days in between nothing but chest and it worked out very well. I did a maintenance workout on the other body parts just to keep them at par. My theory being I can move a weak muscle group up faster. Then I got stupid and binge drank. I was feeling like such a stud from my progress I think. I was so hungover it lasted 3 days. It really messed up my progress so lesson learned.
    Anyways now I'm back on track and doing my "binge" workout on shoulders. However I don't think I need 3 days recovery with shoulders. Delts seem to recover faster so I might go 48 hours between workouts.
    We all have different recovery times but so do certain muscle groups, I believe.
    I think experimenting and taking note of the results is the key for each one of us.

    • @UrmomdotcomYT
      @UrmomdotcomYT 8 місяців тому +1

      good insight

    • @earlcoles5215
      @earlcoles5215 7 місяців тому

      ​​@@user-qs4uk7ip3fI understand what you mean as far as full body system recovery..... If let's say your chest is lagging and you want to prioritize it, how would you go about training it to make it bigger and thicker while just maintaining the other muscles, how many sets would you do for chest and how many days rest would you give chest before doing the same intensive workout for it ?

    • @D.Cole808
      @D.Cole808 7 місяців тому

      @@earlcoles5215all the same . They’ll play catch up on their own . Just like fat loss . The fat melts where it wants too . Train every body part hard and the same . It takes lotta time and patience especially for muscle to grow . Fat lost is easier . Building the muscle is the hard part . Don’t work it out more then u would any other part it’ll catch up sooner or later . If u must , maybe do a couple “ pump chest workouts where ur just going for a pump twice a week at the end of your other workouts “ not to failure . Jus a good pump

    • @earlcoles5215
      @earlcoles5215 7 місяців тому

      @@D.Cole808 makes sense, after my chest workout to failure let's say Monday..... How many days later would you include the pump workout not to failure ? Thanks in advance

    • @D.Cole808
      @D.Cole808 7 місяців тому

      @@earlcoles5215 you can doit the very next day , we used to do that to every muscle the next day even while sore , but very very light , jus enough to pump it up and flush out the lactic acid from the workout the day before. Jus some theory we all had back then , but it worked . But I wouldn’t doit more then twice a week . Maybe the very next day and 4 days later something like that. Or even push ups may be better at home or something like that . Just squeeze and pump it up

  • @elchivoperdido
    @elchivoperdido 8 місяців тому

    What's the song name for the intro???

  • @user-dv6wh9pk4c
    @user-dv6wh9pk4c 7 місяців тому

    Do I go to complete failure on every exercise or just until my form starts to get messy

  • @McCarthy1776
    @McCarthy1776 8 місяців тому +2

    Mike Mentzer is Ayn Rand reincarnated as a bodybuilding man. Lmao he was a huge follower of hers and their rough, cold, calculated personalities are the same. And both highly intelligent and apply philosophy to everything

  • @JM-83
    @JM-83 8 місяців тому

    Damn, my boy didn’t hold any punches that midget comment 😂 I was waiting for him to slip up on the complexion comparison, I’m really glad he didn’t.

  • @Mordi892
    @Mordi892 20 днів тому

    Here's an idea. Get a training partner but train and rest on opposite days of each other. So on rest days you will always assist him because now it's his training day and vice versa. Then you have an excuse to go to the gym pretty much every day of the week, you don't need to train.

  • @thedadgeek4793
    @thedadgeek4793 8 місяців тому

    I’m not a hard gainer I look at a weight and puff up. But I get gassed fast and try to push harder which turns it into and endurance workout. Now I got it dialed in. 20-35 min max for me.

  • @andypicken7848
    @andypicken7848 8 місяців тому +6

    Our mate Mike do a fair bit of deep thinking, didnt he John ?

  • @The_Honcho
    @The_Honcho 7 місяців тому +1

    Question if anyone could help: would overtraining be a bad thing if you took the adequate rest? Say if you decided to add 1 set of a different exercise to each body part to hit it differently but rested for 4-5 days to let it fully recover and gain?

    • @gran7277
      @gran7277 6 місяців тому

      I really depends if you wanna have a rest day for 4-5 days, but do you really need that last set when you can get the same muscle tension with 2?

  • @daneboro6847
    @daneboro6847 8 місяців тому +2

    Is there any books by Mike Mentzer that has his workouts and rest periods inbetween workouts?

    • @DocSportello838
      @DocSportello838 8 місяців тому +2

      "Heavy Duty" by Mike mentzer.

    • @daneboro6847
      @daneboro6847 8 місяців тому

      @@DocSportello838 thank you Sir👍

    • @dennisrkb
      @dennisrkb 8 місяців тому

      HIT the Mike Mentzer way

  • @MADIXCULT
    @MADIXCULT 8 місяців тому +3

    Is it ok to do cardio on the rest days

    • @henk4067
      @henk4067 8 місяців тому +2

      Yes

    • @DocSportello838
      @DocSportello838 8 місяців тому +4

      Yes👍 totally. In fact, in the greater free time that the hit system allows compared to other methods, Mike advocated doing other activities such as light cardio, reading, etc. Just keep in mind to consume a caloric intake that allows you to gain muscle mass according to your physical activity level.

  • @tomislavperic9910
    @tomislavperic9910 8 місяців тому +1

    Since this is the biggest HIT base on UA-cam and I’m early on this vid:
    Im starting “Ideal routine” in a week. As far as Ive learned so far, light boxing (conversiational pace drills) should not affect the muscle recovery. Anyone care to prove me otherwise?

    • @tomislavperic9910
      @tomislavperic9910 8 місяців тому +1

      Boxing on rest days if I wasnt clear

    • @dennisrkb
      @dennisrkb 8 місяців тому +4

      Listen to your log.

    • @michaelmccay123
      @michaelmccay123 8 місяців тому +1

      You are right. Just make sure that on your off days you are getting enough calories.

    • @tomislavperic9910
      @tomislavperic9910 8 місяців тому

      @@michaelmccay123 considering my hella fast metabolism that one's gonna be challenging 😂

  • @experienceaccelerated7039
    @experienceaccelerated7039 8 місяців тому +2

    Love mike, love this method. I’ve made enormous size gains but minimal strength gains. It boggles my mind how I’m 100x more muscular than my previous training programs yet I can’t do a fraction of the weight or volumne. My body has become completely de-condition to the Arnold style of training and I couldn’t imagine the soreness I’d experience from that overtraining. However it does bother me how weak I am, yet how strong I look. Strange stuff excercise science.

    • @philosophysique5419
      @philosophysique5419 8 місяців тому +12

      I'm not sure you understand HIT. You're supposed to increase reps or weight every single workout, pushing yourself further each time to progress. How exactly have you been progressing if you've not been gaining strength?
      Even Mike himself says strength comes first then size will come along with it.
      Sounds to me like you're just getting fat, that's the only explanation for getting "bigger" while not gaining any strength.

    • @experienceaccelerated7039
      @experienceaccelerated7039 8 місяців тому

      I do add weight and reps but because of the slow repetition tempo and the superset pre-exhaust techniques you have to humble yourself constantly and use much less weight. It absolutely adds more muscle mass but the weight of my compound lifts have been cut in half. Mike Mentzer said a 1 repetition increase of the same weight is a significant stimulus when going to failure. im 5'10 191lbs 14% bf @@philosophysique5419

    • @Jeff-bv7pw
      @Jeff-bv7pw 7 місяців тому

      You will be weaker in other movements because you aren't practicing them. If you are gaining size you are getting stronger as well. It's the law of specifics.

  • @fromtheotherside1980
    @fromtheotherside1980 8 місяців тому +2

    Why Sergio didn't trained for Arthur?

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  8 місяців тому +5

      He did. Here's an interview where he talks about it: www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=113483.0

    • @fromtheotherside1980
      @fromtheotherside1980 8 місяців тому +1

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE thanks

    • @siemasiema2989
      @siemasiema2989 8 місяців тому +1

      @@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGEmaaaaaaaaan❤❤❤❤❤

  • @roadstar499
    @roadstar499 5 місяців тому

    Any person that can only make gains doing 3 sets per week ...has serious issues..yes sickly people that have a horrible lifestyle and poor muscle mind connections or the worst genetics may fall into this category..but the average healthy person would grow with just about any decent weekly training routine..at 65 i get great results with a 4 day a week weight training routine...the key is mind muscle connection,great split,great exercises,proper intensity,keeping sessions short,not over training,getting proper nutrition and rest and removing stress from your life..after over 50 years i have learned a lot and still keep an open mind regarding training.

  • @thedadgeek4793
    @thedadgeek4793 8 місяців тому +1

    Damn he’s strong doing a lat pulldown with no leg rest. Dayum

    • @philosophysique5419
      @philosophysique5419 8 місяців тому +2

      That just means he's pulling less than his bodyweight, nothing else.

  • @johnfowler7266
    @johnfowler7266 7 місяців тому +2

    With this logic .. So he says some people can tolerate more exposure to the sun! So, would it not be logical that some people can do more sets and more volume!!!!

    • @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
      @HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE  7 місяців тому +2

      Yes, I believe that is his point in fact. Some people can tolerate more volume and more frequency in their workouts, and some people cannot. For those that cannot, hard gainers, this program would be a better fit. The idea is to find out where you fit into the genetic scale of tolerance for exercise.

    • @ykonratev
      @ykonratev 7 місяців тому +1

      Most people def don't need to work out 5 days a week for hours on end. At that point its basically unnecessary stress which at the end of the day is just bad for you not good