The Oneness movement herself NEEDED this video right now. There are a growing number of dynamic monarchians flourishing in Oneness organizations today. Great video! Totally sharable!
@@Post-Trib It depends on which version. It basically that God adopts Jesus, and/or Jesus is a "mere human". You can google it, there's several views on what this means.
@@Post-Trib Monarchian is a term identifying a believer in the doctrine of 'one King'. Oneness is defined by the text books as a type of Modalistic Monarchianism, purporting the man Jesus to be that one King. The Dynamic Monarchianism i mentioned teaches that the man Christ is only God insomuch as that God resides inside a distinct human individual, resulting in 2 persons in the makeup of the Christ. This doctrine is NOT Oneness but is today normally referred to as Unitarianism.
@@TheSoulWinnersGuide As a believer in the Oneness, through and through, I would take exception to the notion of two "persons" that you mentioned. There is one person, God Himself, manifested as a human whose name is Jesus.
Beautiful and clear explanation of Jesus' ministry of reconciliation - and though him we have been passed that ministry - through the Holy Ghost we have the message of Jesus Christ that reconciles humanity back to God!
Its a blessing to hear these messages of truth as a Pentecostal it just confirms what a beliver as myself has learned or has recieved about God in the Pentecostal Church.
Thank you for taking time to make these videos, Dr. Bernard! They have very much edified my life. I listen every week and they're a great starting point for building the foundation needed to initiate and engage in conversation with people who believe differently than I do. I think a video where we hear your advice on practical ways to talk to members of the Latter Day Saints church and Jehovah's Witnesses about the true Gospel of Jesus would be great. I know what I believe, but I find speaking with them to be a bit intimidating.
So powerful” yes The Father functions the Son himself” just like he gave the judgement to the Son but then it still has the Father judging by the Son showing he operates the Man and the Spirit!
@@Wheelcooldiecast not a puppet the body had distinction due to blood, remember he came by water and blood, so not just a suit but a suit with true humanity” Take a look at this Romans 5:8 But 👉🏼God demonstrates his 👉🏼own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, 👉🏼Christ died for us See what’s going on? Christ died but the action is God demonstrating his own love” How is the Father credited for the death of the Son? The Father’s spirit is united with the body and it’s the Father functioning as the Son” Compare this with God laying down HIS Human LIFE” 1st John 3:16 16 Hereby perceive we the love of 👉🏼God, because 👉🏼he laid down 👉🏼his life for us: See it? God laid the life down and again demonstrated His love for us” One more my friend Acts 20:28 (It’s God’s blood but it’s the Son’s blood right?) ….to shepherd the church of 👉🏼God which 👉🏼He purchased with 👉🏼His own 👉🏼blood. See it? The Son’s blood is God’s own blood” not 2 persons blood” it says HIS OWN so the humanity is God’s own! The same way your spirit is united with your body yet distinct in functions, likewise God The Father and his body- the Son When The Father gave the Son all power, he wasn’t making someone else God, he was enhanced his own humanity which he himself operates” God is too jealous to make someone else God too!
@@Wheelcooldiecast my point was the Son doesn’t have a separate spirit of his own, the Father is the Spirit of the Son - Eph 4:6 and Gal 4:6 same spirit called Father is also spirit of the Son, we weren’t given 2 spirits of God, If he had his own spirit then he would be like us totally separate, but the Father being his spirit makes the Father incarnate in the flesh Man consist of spirit soul and body, the Father is something his person consists of- His spirit” That joins them as one person Revelation 22:3-4 God and Lamb father and son called Him read it” not them
Have you listened to what you are saying? God became? God is immutable unchangeable..God did not need to become anything,He needed a MAN a sinless human being.Scripture teaches the miraculous creation of that man through the womb of Mary.The angel told Mary,for THIS reason that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Peter and the Apostles preached Christ Jesus was a MAN anointed by God Acts 2:22,36 no where in Acts did they say or teach anything different! See for yourselves.
@@Wheelcooldiecast: See Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 9:6, 43:10-11, John 1:1,14, Revelation 1:8 & 4:2. There is ONE who sits on the throne per Revelation 4:2, and his name is Jesus Christ the Almighty!
Anytime we see LORD in all caps throughout the Old Testament, that's when, in Hebrew, they used the actual name by which they knew God: Yahweh (or Jehovah if you're reading the Latin translation). Knowing this, I don't see how anyone can read a passage like Isaiah 44:6-8 and actually believe in the Trinity, considering that by the teachings of the Trinity doctrine, it's only God the Father speaking in that passage, which would effectively undermine the whole doctrine by claiming that "God the Son" and "God the Holy Spirit" aren't even equal with God the Father.
Greetings: See if this makes sense to anyone: I am saying that the person of the Son of God is the Father. They are one and the same person; one human the other divine. How might this be possible? The incarnation. Or what I prefer to call the metamorphosis---a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one (form or nature or thing or person), by natural or supernatural means. When the Father took upon Himself not just the outward appearance but the whole nature of man, He willingly divested Himself of His incommunicable divine attributes (immutability, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternality, and aseity), thereby subjecting Himself to the intrinsic limitations and weakness of our nature. By stripping away all of these attributes, all that remained was the person of God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus. And yet, He never ceased to be God, because His metamorphosis (incarnation) was limited to the corporeal body He had prepared for Himself in which to dwell (Hebrews 10:5; John 1:14). God is a person---a personal being---like you and me, except divine. Yet as a divine being (person), He was able to share in our humanity by taking our form (both outward appearance and nature) upon Himself through the incarnation. Yet He did not become a man in the sense that He ceased to be God. Rather, the divine person assumed a corporeal existence as a man. But God is a spirit---an incorporeal being---who can infinitely manifest Himself (i.e., his being/person). For example: As a divine being, He can be in you and me and all believers simultaneously yet be no less present in any one of us. In like manner, He can be in Heaven and on the Earth simultaneously, yet no less present in both. Just as He was incarnate on the earth, spoke from Heaven, and descend to the earth in the form of a dove (Luke 3:22). I had a long journey arriving at the oneness of God because I stubbornly rejected the idea that God is a person, in the same sense that you and I are. Which led me to also reject the notion of God being a triunity of three persons (trinity). But I finally realized that the person of the man Christ Jesus is the same as the Father. They are not two people, but one. As I already stated, one human, the other divine. The divine person expressing Himself through a different nature. And this metamorphosis was possible by taking on a body of flesh, because our nature is in our flesh. As Paul wrote, "all flesh is not the same flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:39). There are different kinds of flesh. God created everything after its own kind (Gensis 1:25), each kind having its own nature. And God created man in His own image and likeness with a nature in which He could dwell and express Himself (his being/person). To be clear: God created man after His own image and likeness. All flesh has a kind. Ours is called mankind (man-kind). And our kind is after the image and likeness of God. All this to say that the incarnation is the reason why God created us in His own image and likeness, so that He might assume and express Himself through our nature. The man Christ Jesus is God incarnate---the Father revealed in flesh--human flesh--expressing Himself through a human nature. It was the man Christ Jesus who revealed the person of God to me, who led me to Himself through the revelation of the incarnation, because the man Christ Jesus is the Father, "the only true God," in the flesh. And so, the Son is called "the express image of His [the Father's] person" (Hebrews 1:3). Our God is a person, who without all of His incommunicable attributes, those that make Him Almighty God, is nonetheless holy and righteous. As a person, He is loving, and kind, and good, and gentle, and faithful, and oh so humble and patient. And so much more. And this is what Thomas realized when He said, "my Lord and my God." He realized that the man Christ Jesus is God incarnate. He is God the Father in the flesh; both our Lord and our God in one. They are the same person. And just like Phillip, He had been with me so long, yet I did not know Him. ======================== "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9). ======================== The same person who created us spoke these words: ======================== "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16). ======================== He is a person, my brothers. His name is Jesus. -james
May the Holy Spirit help former Muslims realise that being a Christian is NOT a statement of rebellion against the doctrine of one God, but - just like the Jews - receiving the revelation of God manifest in Jesus Christ!
Man is made of flesh and spirit. Flesh has its own will. That's really the whole problem. Dr. Bernard is one, He has a name, one name. Yet he has a spirit and he has a body. The living body is David K. Bernard. When he passes away David K. Bernard will be buried his spirit also identified as David K. Bernard will go wherever our spirits go after we die. So do we have one David K. Bernard or three. The flesh (Jesus) submitted to the Spirit (God). He was one just as we are one. I apologize if I came off as a know it all, just trying to present it as I see it. God bless
God was manifest in the flesh, the eternal, everlasting Father became man to redeem us from sin and become our faithful, high priest anr mediator. God was IN CHRIST (Isaiah 9:6) and was just as much man as He is God
@@davidderitis9068the Bible does not say God became a man God was in a man reconcile in the world unto himself who is the man the Son of God that's who
Greetings: See if this makes sense to you: I am saying that the person of the Son of God is the Father. They are one and the same person; one human the other divine. How might this be possible? The incarnation. Or what I prefer to call the metamorphosis---a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one (form or nature or thing or person), by natural or supernatural means. When the Father took upon Himself not just the outward appearance but the whole nature of man, He willingly divested Himself of His incommunicable divine attributes (immutability, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternality, and aseity), thereby subjecting Himself to the intrinsic limitations and weakness of our nature. By stripping away all of these attributes, all that remained was the person of God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus. And yet, He never ceased to be God, because His metamorphosis (incarnation) was limited to the corporeal body He had prepared for Himself in which to dwell (Hebrews 10:5; John 1:14). God is a person---a personal being---like you and me, except divine. Yet as a divine being (person), He was able to share in our humanity by taking our form (both outward appearance and nature) upon Himself through the incarnation. Yet He did not become a man in the sense that He ceased to be God. Rather, the divine person assumed a corporeal existence as a man. But God is a spirit---an incorporeal being---who can infinitely manifest Himself (i.e., his being/person). For example: As a divine being, He can be in you and me and all believers simultaneously yet be no less present in any one of us. In like manner, He can be in Heaven and on the Earth simultaneously, yet no less present in both. Just as He was incarnate on the earth, spoke from Heaven, and descend to the earth in the form of a dove (Luke 3:22). I had a long journey arriving at the oneness of God because I stubbornly rejected the idea that God is a person, in the same sense that you and I are. Which led me to also reject the notion of God being a triunity of three persons (trinity). But I finally realized that the person of the man Christ Jesus is the same as the Father. They are not two people, but one. As I already stated, one human, the other divine. The divine person expressing Himself through a different nature. And this metamorphosis was possible by taking on a body of flesh, because our nature is in our flesh. As Paul wrote, "all flesh is not the same flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:39). There are different kinds of flesh. God created everything after its own kind (Gensis 1:25), each kind having its own nature. And God created man in His own image and likeness with a nature in which He could dwell and express Himself (his being/person). To be clear: God created man after His own image and likeness. All flesh has a kind. Ours is called mankind (man-kind). And our kind is after the image and likeness of God. All this to say that the incarnation is the reason why God created us in His own image and likeness, so that He might assume and express Himself through our nature. The man Christ Jesus is God incarnate---the Father revealed in flesh--human flesh--expressing Himself through a human nature. It was the man Christ Jesus who revealed the person of God to me, who led me to Himself through the revelation of the incarnation, because the man Christ Jesus is the Father, "the only true God," in the flesh. And so, the Son is called "the express image of His [the Father's] person" (Hebrews 1:3). Our God is a person, who without all of His incommunicable attributes, those that make Him Almighty God, is nonetheless holy and righteous. As a person, He is loving, and kind, and good, and gentle, and faithful, and oh so humble and patient. And so much more. And this is what Thomas realized when He said, "my Lord and my God." He realized that the man Christ Jesus is God incarnate. He is God the Father in the flesh; both our Lord and our God in one. They are the same person. And just like Phillip, He had been with me so long, yet I did not know Him. ======================== "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9). ======================== The same person who created us spoke these words: ======================== "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16). ======================== He is a person, my brother. His name is Jesus. -james
Dear Dr. Bernard. I'm a oneness believer. I have watched all your debates multiple times. But I have a lot of questions so I can defend my opinion better. I have two questions. 1. Because Jesus is the revelation of God. And the fullness of God incarnated. Would you be comfortable saying God died on the cross? Or that Mary is the mother of God. And if not would I (as a oneness believer) have to say Jesus had 2 SEPARATE nature's? And that one of those nature's died and the other did not? 2. Some oneness believers explain the incarnation as God putting on a suit. I did hear you say you don't agree with that view. But I never really heard an elaborate explanation. Would you maybe want to explain why you don't agree with that position and why I should not agree. Thank you in advance.
Greetings: See if this makes sense to you: I am saying that the person of the Son of God is the Father. They are one and the same person; one human the other divine. How might this be possible? The incarnation. Or what I prefer to call the metamorphosis---a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one (form or nature or thing or person), by natural or supernatural means. When the Father took upon Himself not just the outward appearance but the whole nature of man, He willingly divested Himself of His incommunicable divine attributes (immutability, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternality, and aseity), thereby subjecting Himself to the intrinsic limitations and weakness of our nature. By stripping away all of these attributes, all that remained was the person of God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus. And yet, He never ceased to be God, because His metamorphosis (incarnation) was limited to the corporeal body He had prepared for Himself in which to dwell (Hebrews 10:5; John 1:14). God is a person---a personal being---like you and me, except divine. Yet as a divine being (person), He was able to share in our humanity by taking our form (both outward appearance and nature) upon Himself through the incarnation. Yet He did not become a man in the sense that He ceased to be God. Rather, the divine person assumed a corporeal existence as a man. But God is a spirit---an incorporeal being---who can infinitely manifest Himself (i.e., his being/person). For example: As a divine being, He can be in you and me and all believers simultaneously yet be no less present in any one of us. In like manner, He can be in Heaven and on the Earth simultaneously, yet no less present in both. Just as He was incarnate on the earth, spoke from Heaven, and descend to the earth in the form of a dove (Luke 3:22). I had a long journey arriving at the oneness of God because I stubbornly rejected the idea that God is a person, in the same sense that you and I are. Which led me to also reject the notion of God being a triunity of three persons (trinity). But I finally realized that the person of the man Christ Jesus is the same as the Father. They are not two people, but one. As I already stated, one human, the other divine. The divine person expressing Himself through a different nature. And this metamorphosis was possible by taking on a body of flesh, because our nature is in our flesh. As Paul wrote, "all flesh is not the same flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:39). There are different kinds of flesh. God created everything after its own kind (Gensis 1:25), each kind having its own nature. And God created man in His own image and likeness with a nature in which He could dwell and express Himself (his being/person). To be clear: God created man after His own image and likeness. All flesh has a kind. Ours is called mankind (man-kind). And our kind is after the image and likeness of God. All this to say that the incarnation is the reason why God created us in His own image and likeness, so that He might assume and express Himself through our nature. The man Christ Jesus is God incarnate---the Father revealed in flesh--human flesh--expressing Himself through a human nature. It was the man Christ Jesus who revealed the person of God to me, who led me to Himself through the revelation of the incarnation, because the man Christ Jesus is the Father, "the only true God," in the flesh. And so, the Son is called "the express image of His [the Father's] person" (Hebrews 1:3). Our God is a person, who without all of His incommunicable attributes, those that make Him Almighty God, is nonetheless holy and righteous. As a person, He is loving, and kind, and good, and gentle, and faithful, and oh so humble and patient. And so much more. And this is what Thomas realized when He said, "my Lord and my God." He realized that the man Christ Jesus is God incarnate. He is God the Father in the flesh; both our Lord and our God in one. They are the same person. And just like Phillip, He had been with me so long, yet I did not know Him. ======================== "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9). ======================== The same person who created us spoke these words: ======================== "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16). ======================== He is a person, my brother. His name is Jesus. -james
@@HeWhoHasSeenMe thank you for your explanation. I really appreciate it. But you didnt answer my initial question which are. Would oneness believers be comfortable with saying God or the Father died on the cross and if marry is the mother of God in a sense. Because as you say the person of jesus is God.
If it is in his humanity that Christ reconciles us to God - and I agree it is - then his sinlessness is NOT because of his divinity at all! You are right that he would not be mediator if he was the second person of the Godhead, it would create the same problem and we would still need a mediator, but if his humanity is how we are reconciled, and we are reconciled to God because Jesus was without sin, then Jesus was without sin because of his humanity, and the whole nonsense of a Virgin birth being needed to ensure he was sinless is just that, nonsense.
John’s gospel has Jesus admitting he has a distinct will from God’s in his prayer to God: “nevertheless, not my will but yours be done.” Your assertion that if there were two wills there would be two gods if Jesus is God withers under the glare of John’s gospel.
Where did the idea that GOD would ever refer to HIMSELF as a person. GOD is Deity using the word person is not something that would pleaseGOD. It is very demeaning.
You are very correct in your observation. Nowhere and I mean nowhere in the Greek NT or the Hebrew OT is God referred to as a person. Jesus tells us that God is spirit, Jn. 4.24. If the UPCI would quit using this term to describe God it would be a tremendous help to everyone. Also, the word manifest in 1Tim. 3.16 is in the passive voice not the active. God did not manifest himself AS flesh but rather the flesh manifested God. This comports exactly with Jn. 1.18. In Col. 2.9 which Bro. Bernard quotes from uses “in him” which is en + the dative case him to indicate the means by which God dwells bodily. It is not teaching us that God “is” the body in some sort of mystical beyond our comprehension teaching. If The Spirit of God became flesh as many understand I have a question that just begs to be answered. “Did all of God become flesh or did just a part of God become flesh? If only “part” of God became flesh then we have a very bad problem because we just divided the indivisible singular God into parts. If we say all of God became flesh we have another problem because the man Christ Jesus died on Calvary. In effect The one God would have died so we no longer have God to call upon! Another problem that comes to mind is Jn. 6.38 where Jesus states that he came down from heaven not to do, “my own will but the will of him who sent me”. This would be very strange language for the Father to say indeed! Also, the word “made” in Jn. 1.14 has the meaning of, “to experience a change in nature, and thus enter into a new condition”, according to BDAG. Thus the water that was made wine ceased to be water. If Jesus would have made the stones bread when Satan tempted him the stones would have experience a change in nature and ceased to be stones. Whatever was made flesh in Jn. 1.14 ceased to be whatever it was prior. If the UPCI and others as well cannot explain how this is so, then how do they know that their understanding is correct? One can only explain with accuracy what one understands. In short, they think they have a better mouse trap i.e., “more recent Oneness construals “ than the first men who taught the message. No, A.D. Urshan had it right when he stated, “God the Father, by the power of His Spirit, comes with and in His Son, into the world”, The Almighty God in the Lord Jesus Christ, page 12. I would have used Christ instead of Son here but he used Son. However, he hits the nail on the head by saying that because that’s exactly what happened and according to Heb. 1.6 it will happen again. See NKJV on this verse. The word “brings” here means to accompany. God was in Christ when Christ came into the world the first time.
@@stevemarks9820 Greetings: See if this makes sense to you: I am saying that the person of the Son of God is the Father. They are one and the same person; one human the other divine. How might this be possible? The incarnation. Or what I prefer to call the metamorphosis---a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one (form or nature or thing or person), by natural or supernatural means. When the Father took upon Himself not just the outward appearance but the whole nature of man, He willingly divested Himself of His incommunicable divine attributes (immutability, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternality, and aseity), thereby subjecting Himself to the intrinsic limitations and weakness of our nature. By stripping away all of these attributes, all that remained was the person of God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus. And yet, He never ceased to be God, because His metamorphosis (incarnation) was limited to the corporeal body He had prepared for Himself in which to dwell (Hebrews 10:5; John 1:14). God is a person---a personal being---like you and me, except divine. Yet as a divine being (person), He was able to share in our humanity by taking our form (both outward appearance and nature) upon Himself through the incarnation. Yet He did not become a man in the sense that He ceased to be God. Rather, the divine person assumed a corporeal existence as a man. But God is a spirit---an incorporeal being---who can infinitely manifest Himself (i.e., his being/person). For example: As a divine being, He can be in you and me and all believers simultaneously yet be no less present in any one of us. In like manner, He can be in Heaven and on the Earth simultaneously, yet no less present in both. Just as He was incarnate on the earth, spoke from Heaven, and descend to the earth in the form of a dove (Luke 3:22). I had a long journey arriving at the oneness of God because I stubbornly rejected the idea that God is a person, in the same sense that you and I are. Which led me to also reject the notion of God being a triunity of three persons (trinity). But I finally realized that the person of the man Christ Jesus is the same as the Father. They are not two people, but one. As I already stated, one human, the other divine. The divine person expressing Himself through a different nature. And this metamorphosis was possible by taking on a body of flesh, because our nature is in our flesh. As Paul wrote, "all flesh is not the same flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:39). There are different kinds of flesh. God created everything after its own kind (Gensis 1:25), each kind having its own nature. And God created man in His own image and likeness with a nature in which He could dwell and express Himself (his being/person). To be clear: God created man after His own image and likeness. All flesh has a kind. Ours is called mankind (man-kind). And our kind is after the image and likeness of God. All this to say that the incarnation is the reason why God created us in His own image and likeness, so that He might assume and express Himself through our nature. The man Christ Jesus is God incarnate---the Father revealed in flesh--human flesh--expressing Himself through a human nature. It was the man Christ Jesus who revealed the person of God to me, who led me to Himself through the revelation of the incarnation, because the man Christ Jesus is the Father, "the only true God," in the flesh. And so, the Son is called "the express image of His [the Father's] person" (Hebrews 1:3). Our God is a person, who without all of His incommunicable attributes, those that make Him Almighty God, is nonetheless holy and righteous. As a person, He is loving, and kind, and good, and gentle, and faithful, and oh so humble and patient. And so much more. And this is what Thomas realized when He said, "my Lord and my God." He realized that the man Christ Jesus is God incarnate. He is God the Father in the flesh; both our Lord and our God in one. They are the same person. And just like Phillip, He had been with me so long, yet I did not know Him. ======================== "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9). ======================== The same person who created us spoke these words: ======================== "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16). ======================== He is a person, my brother. His name is Jesus. -james
2 Corinthians 5:19, David K Bernard edition: “to wit, that God IS Christ, reconciling the world unto himself.” 🤦🏽♂️ Yes, I know you read it the way it is actually written - but it’s clear what you believe is more accurately represented by the above - especially when you literally glide into explaining it as JESUS reconciling the world unto himself when the text says God - circular logic at its finest!
At 8:07, Dr. Bernard says: "He's a mediator according to the flesh". In 1Tim. 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". This verse says, "the man Christ Jesus" - it doesn't say the flesh of Jesus. It doesn't say "he's a mediator according to the flesh". It says, the man Christ Jesus. It would seem to me that Oneness doctrine teaches that Jesus is just sinless flesh, with no WILL or POWER to reconcile us to the Father. A mediator tries to restore relationship between two parties. We are reconciled to the Father by the man Christ Jesus. Are Oneness saying that the man Christ Jesus has no power of His own, to do the reconciling? What about 1John 2:1-2? ?My little children, these things I write unto you, that ye sin not, and if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". The advocate here is Jesus Christ the righteous. Verse 2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world". The beauty of the gospel is that Jesus chose to die for us. A human without a soul or ability to choose is a shell. When I read scripture and the gospels, it is evident to me and most Christians that Jesus is God (as the Son of God). Jesus was not the Father. If Jesus had been tempted to cancel his mission and disobey His Father, we would not have been reconciled. And I believe Jesus had that choice. He could have had his angels remove him. But Jesus' CHOICE to be the sacrificial lamb for us, to me, makes the whole salvation picture open up, that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was sent by God, with will and power AND choice. A sacrifice isn't a sacrifice unless someone is willing to give His life for the world; and that is why our Father accepted His Holy Son's sacrifice. It was offered by the Son of God and the Father accepted it. There is a true living eternally-begotten Son, because The Father said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Now why would the Father call Him His beloved Son? If God says it, why do people have a hard time to believe it? Also, Jesus prayed , "And now O Father, glorify me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". We need to recognize that this is truly GOd's Son. This loving relationship between the Father our Creator, and His Son is wonderful and glorious and no 'doctrine' of this world can change that for me.
Greetings: See if this makes sense to you: I am saying that the person of the Son of God is the Father. They are one and the same person; one human the other divine. How might this be possible? The incarnation. Or what I prefer to call the metamorphosis---a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one (form or nature or thing or person), by natural or supernatural means. When the Father took upon Himself not just the outward appearance but the whole nature of man, He willingly divested Himself of His incommunicable divine attributes (immutability, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternality, and aseity), thereby subjecting Himself to the intrinsic limitations and weakness of our nature. By stripping away all of these attributes, all that remained was the person of God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus. And yet, He never ceased to be God, because His metamorphosis (incarnation) was limited to the corporeal body He had prepared for Himself in which to dwell (Hebrews 10:5; John 1:14). God is a person---a personal being---like you and me, except divine. Yet as a divine being (person), He was able to share in our humanity by taking our form (both outward appearance and nature) upon Himself through the incarnation. Yet He did not become a man in the sense that He ceased to be God. Rather, the divine person assumed a corporeal existence as a man. But God is a spirit---an incorporeal being---who can infinitely manifest Himself (i.e., his being/person). For example: As a divine being, He can be in you and me and all believers simultaneously yet be no less present in any one of us. In like manner, He can be in Heaven and on the Earth simultaneously, yet no less present in both. Just as He was incarnate on the earth, spoke from Heaven, and descend to the earth in the form of a dove (Luke 3:22). I had a long journey arriving at the oneness of God because I stubbornly rejected the idea that God is a person, in the same sense that you and I are. Which led me to also reject the notion of God being a triunity of three persons (trinity). But I finally realized that the person of the man Christ Jesus is the same as the Father. They are not two people, but one. As I already stated, one human, the other divine. The divine person expressing Himself through a different nature. And this metamorphosis was possible by taking on a body of flesh, because our nature is in our flesh. As Paul wrote, "all flesh is not the same flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:39). There are different kinds of flesh. God created everything after its own kind (Gensis 1:25), each kind having its own nature. And God created man in His own image and likeness with a nature in which He could dwell and express Himself (his being/person). To be clear: God created man after His own image and likeness. All flesh has a kind. Ours is called mankind (man-kind). And our kind is after the image and likeness of God. All this to say that the incarnation is the reason why God created us in His own image and likeness, so that He might assume and express Himself through our nature. The man Christ Jesus is God incarnate---the Father revealed in flesh--human flesh--expressing Himself through a human nature. It was the man Christ Jesus who revealed the person of God to me, who led me to Himself through the revelation of the incarnation, because the man Christ Jesus is the Father, "the only true God," in the flesh. And so, the Son is called "the express image of His [the Father's] person" (Hebrews 1:3). Our God is a person, who without all of His incommunicable attributes, those that make Him Almighty God, is nonetheless holy and righteous. As a person, He is loving, and kind, and good, and gentle, and faithful, and oh so humble and patient. And so much more. And this is what Thomas realized when He said, "my Lord and my God." He realized that the man Christ Jesus is God incarnate. He is God the Father in the flesh; both our Lord and our God in one. They are the same person. And just like Phillip, He had been with me so long, yet I did not know Him. ======================== "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9). ======================== The same person who created us spoke these words: ======================== "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16). ======================== He is a person, my brother. His name is Jesus. -james
The Oneness movement herself NEEDED this video right now. There are a growing number of dynamic monarchians flourishing in Oneness organizations today. Great video! Totally sharable!
What's monarchian?
@@Post-Trib It depends on which version. It basically that God adopts Jesus, and/or Jesus is a "mere human". You can google it, there's several views on what this means.
@@Post-Trib Monarchian is a term identifying a believer in the doctrine of 'one King'. Oneness is defined by the text books as a type of Modalistic Monarchianism, purporting the man Jesus to be that one King. The Dynamic Monarchianism i mentioned teaches that the man Christ is only God insomuch as that God resides inside a distinct human individual, resulting in 2 persons in the makeup of the Christ. This doctrine is NOT Oneness but is today normally referred to as Unitarianism.
@@TheSoulWinnersGuide yes. I remember now. Just unitarian by another name
@@TheSoulWinnersGuide As a believer in the Oneness, through and through, I would take exception to the notion of two "persons" that you mentioned. There is one person, God Himself, manifested as a human whose name is Jesus.
Beautiful and clear explanation of Jesus' ministry of reconciliation - and though him we have been passed that ministry - through the Holy Ghost we have the message of Jesus Christ that reconciles humanity back to God!
Amen: excellent teaching! There is ONLY ONE GOD, and if you begin with that, then all confusion is done away with.
Its a blessing to hear these messages of truth as a Pentecostal it just confirms what a beliver as myself has learned or has recieved about God in the Pentecostal Church.
Wonderful teaching. Thank you and God's continued blessings on you in Jesus name.
I enjoy hearing these wonderful podcasts by Brother Bernard. Thanks so much for explaining everything so well. Spot on! May God bless you!
Jesus be praised and Jesus bless you pastor. I believe in Bible and your preaching 🙏🏿 🙌 ✨️
Great teaching and further explanation into this passage. Thank you Dr. Bernard.
Thank you for taking time to make these videos, Dr. Bernard! They have very much edified my life. I listen every week and they're a great starting point for building the foundation needed to initiate and engage in conversation with people who believe differently than I do. I think a video where we hear your advice on practical ways to talk to members of the Latter Day Saints church and Jehovah's Witnesses about the true Gospel of Jesus would be great. I know what I believe, but I find speaking with them to be a bit intimidating.
So powerful” yes The Father functions the Son himself” just like he gave the judgement to the Son but then it still has the Father judging by the Son showing he operates the Man and the Spirit!
So the man was a puppet? A flesh suit? Come on brother that is not what Peter preached at Pentecost!
@@Wheelcooldiecast not a puppet the body had distinction due to blood, remember he came by water and blood, so not just a suit but a suit with true humanity”
Take a look at this
Romans 5:8
But 👉🏼God demonstrates his 👉🏼own love for us in this: While we were still sinners,
👉🏼Christ died for us
See what’s going on? Christ died but the action is God demonstrating his own love”
How is the Father credited for the death of the Son?
The Father’s spirit is united with the body and it’s the Father functioning as the Son”
Compare this with God laying down HIS Human LIFE”
1st John 3:16
16 Hereby perceive we the love of 👉🏼God, because 👉🏼he laid down 👉🏼his life for us:
See it? God laid the life down and again demonstrated His love for us”
One more my friend
Acts 20:28 (It’s God’s blood but it’s the Son’s blood right?)
….to shepherd the church of 👉🏼God which 👉🏼He purchased with
👉🏼His own 👉🏼blood.
See it? The Son’s blood is God’s own blood” not 2 persons blood” it says HIS OWN so the humanity is God’s own!
The same way your spirit is united with your body yet distinct in functions, likewise God The Father and his body- the Son
When The Father gave the Son all power, he wasn’t making someone else God, he was enhanced his own humanity which he himself operates” God is too jealous to make someone else God too!
@@Wheelcooldiecast my point was the Son doesn’t have a separate spirit of his own, the Father is the Spirit of the Son - Eph 4:6 and Gal 4:6 same spirit called Father is also spirit of the Son, we weren’t given 2 spirits of God,
If he had his own spirit then he would be like us totally separate, but the Father being his spirit makes the Father incarnate in the flesh
Man consist of spirit soul and body, the Father is something his person consists of- His spirit” That joins them as one person
Revelation 22:3-4 God and Lamb father and son called Him read it” not them
Thank you for your teaching ministry.
Such good teachings !! Thank you 💕
Lord bless you DKB IJN AMEN 🙏
Mediation is between two parties, but God is one person! Gal 3:20 amp
My Father & I are one
John 10:30
🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
God the Father became his own Son. Jesus is the manifestation and personification of God the Father in human form. The Word or Logos
The Bible says that God was manifest in the flesh, but Trinitarians can't grasp such a concept.
@derekbaker777 true. They can't comprehend the prophetic mind of God and how he words things
Have you listened to what you are saying? God became? God is immutable unchangeable..God did not need to become anything,He needed a MAN a sinless human being.Scripture teaches the miraculous creation of that man through the womb of Mary.The angel told Mary,for THIS reason
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Peter and the Apostles preached Christ Jesus was a MAN anointed by God Acts 2:22,36 no where in Acts did they say or teach anything different! See for yourselves.
@@Wheelcooldiecast: See Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 9:6, 43:10-11, John 1:1,14, Revelation 1:8 & 4:2. There is ONE who sits on the throne per Revelation 4:2, and his name is Jesus Christ the Almighty!
@@Wheelcooldiecast 1 Tim 3:16 states clearly that God himself was manifest in the flesh
Anytime we see LORD in all caps throughout the Old Testament, that's when, in Hebrew, they used the actual name by which they knew God: Yahweh (or Jehovah if you're reading the Latin translation). Knowing this, I don't see how anyone can read a passage like Isaiah 44:6-8 and actually believe in the Trinity, considering that by the teachings of the Trinity doctrine, it's only God the Father speaking in that passage, which would effectively undermine the whole doctrine by claiming that "God the Son" and "God the Holy Spirit" aren't even equal with God the Father.
Greetings:
See if this makes sense to anyone:
I am saying that the person of the Son of God is the Father. They are one and the same person; one human the other divine.
How might this be possible? The incarnation. Or what I prefer to call the metamorphosis---a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one (form or nature or thing or person), by natural or supernatural means.
When the Father took upon Himself not just the outward appearance but the whole nature of man, He willingly divested Himself of His incommunicable divine attributes (immutability, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternality, and aseity), thereby subjecting Himself to the intrinsic limitations and weakness of our nature.
By stripping away all of these attributes, all that remained was the person of God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus. And yet, He never ceased to be God, because His metamorphosis (incarnation) was limited to the corporeal body He had prepared for Himself in which to dwell (Hebrews 10:5; John 1:14).
God is a person---a personal being---like you and me, except divine. Yet as a divine being (person), He was able to share in our humanity by taking our form (both outward appearance and nature) upon Himself through the incarnation. Yet He did not become a man in the sense that He ceased to be God. Rather, the divine person assumed a corporeal existence as a man. But God is a spirit---an incorporeal being---who can infinitely manifest Himself (i.e., his being/person). For example:
As a divine being, He can be in you and me and all believers simultaneously yet be no less present in any one of us.
In like manner, He can be in Heaven and on the Earth simultaneously, yet no less present in both.
Just as He was incarnate on the earth, spoke from Heaven, and descend to the earth in the form of a dove (Luke 3:22).
I had a long journey arriving at the oneness of God because I stubbornly rejected the idea that God is a person, in the same sense that you and I are. Which led me to also reject the notion of God being a triunity of three persons (trinity).
But I finally realized that the person of the man Christ Jesus is the same as the Father. They are not two people, but one. As I already stated, one human, the other divine. The divine person expressing Himself through a different nature.
And this metamorphosis was possible by taking on a body of flesh, because our nature is in our flesh. As Paul wrote, "all flesh is not the same flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:39). There are different kinds of flesh. God created everything after its own kind (Gensis 1:25), each kind having its own nature. And God created man in His own image and likeness with a nature in which He could dwell and express Himself (his being/person).
To be clear: God created man after His own image and likeness. All flesh has a kind. Ours is called mankind (man-kind). And our kind is after the image and likeness of God. All this to say that the incarnation is the reason why God created us in His own image and likeness, so that He might assume and express Himself through our nature.
The man Christ Jesus is God incarnate---the Father revealed in flesh--human flesh--expressing Himself through a human nature. It was the man Christ Jesus who revealed the person of God to me, who led me to Himself through the revelation of the incarnation, because the man Christ Jesus is the Father, "the only true God," in the flesh. And so, the Son is called "the express image of His [the Father's] person" (Hebrews 1:3).
Our God is a person, who without all of His incommunicable attributes, those that make Him Almighty God, is nonetheless holy and righteous. As a person, He is loving, and kind, and good, and gentle, and faithful, and oh so humble and patient. And so much more.
And this is what Thomas realized when He said, "my Lord and my God." He realized that the man Christ Jesus is God incarnate. He is God the Father in the flesh; both our Lord and our God in one. They are the same person. And just like Phillip, He had been with me so long, yet I did not know Him.
========================
"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9).
========================
The same person who created us spoke these words:
========================
"Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16).
========================
He is a person, my brothers. His name is Jesus.
-james
What is the biblical definition of grace and how do we grow in it ?
Praise the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ hallelujah glory to God I would like to do a video explaining romance 6,7,8,
Make a video about Beastialty
Mr. Bernard should debate Sam Shamoun
May the Holy Spirit help former Muslims realise that being a Christian is NOT a statement of rebellion against the doctrine of one God, but - just like the Jews - receiving the revelation of God manifest in Jesus Christ!
Dr. David K. Bernard, Debate Sam Shamoun.
Hello Pastor Bernard, do we as apostolics have a channel where we can ask difficult or personal questions (about doctrine) and get biblical answers?
Brother Bernard would that be mean that the person of Jesus Christ is also the person of GOD and also the Holy Spirit???
Man is made of flesh and spirit. Flesh has its own will. That's really the whole problem. Dr. Bernard is one, He has a name, one name. Yet he has a spirit and he has a body. The living body is David K. Bernard. When he passes away David K. Bernard will be buried his spirit also identified as David K. Bernard will go wherever our spirits go after we die. So do we have one David K. Bernard or three. The flesh (Jesus) submitted to the Spirit (God). He was one just as we are one. I apologize if I came off as a know it all, just trying to present it as I see it. God bless
What is meant by God and man in one person?
God was manifest in the flesh, the eternal, everlasting Father became man to redeem us from sin and become our faithful, high priest anr mediator. God was IN CHRIST (Isaiah 9:6) and was just as much man as He is God
@@davidderitis9068the Bible does not say God became a man God was in a man reconcile in the world unto himself who is the man the Son of God that's who
Greetings:
See if this makes sense to you:
I am saying that the person of the Son of God is the Father. They are one and the same person; one human the other divine.
How might this be possible? The incarnation. Or what I prefer to call the metamorphosis---a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one (form or nature or thing or person), by natural or supernatural means.
When the Father took upon Himself not just the outward appearance but the whole nature of man, He willingly divested Himself of His incommunicable divine attributes (immutability, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternality, and aseity), thereby subjecting Himself to the intrinsic limitations and weakness of our nature.
By stripping away all of these attributes, all that remained was the person of God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus. And yet, He never ceased to be God, because His metamorphosis (incarnation) was limited to the corporeal body He had prepared for Himself in which to dwell (Hebrews 10:5; John 1:14).
God is a person---a personal being---like you and me, except divine. Yet as a divine being (person), He was able to share in our humanity by taking our form (both outward appearance and nature) upon Himself through the incarnation. Yet He did not become a man in the sense that He ceased to be God. Rather, the divine person assumed a corporeal existence as a man. But God is a spirit---an incorporeal being---who can infinitely manifest Himself (i.e., his being/person). For example:
As a divine being, He can be in you and me and all believers simultaneously yet be no less present in any one of us.
In like manner, He can be in Heaven and on the Earth simultaneously, yet no less present in both.
Just as He was incarnate on the earth, spoke from Heaven, and descend to the earth in the form of a dove (Luke 3:22).
I had a long journey arriving at the oneness of God because I stubbornly rejected the idea that God is a person, in the same sense that you and I are. Which led me to also reject the notion of God being a triunity of three persons (trinity).
But I finally realized that the person of the man Christ Jesus is the same as the Father. They are not two people, but one. As I already stated, one human, the other divine. The divine person expressing Himself through a different nature.
And this metamorphosis was possible by taking on a body of flesh, because our nature is in our flesh. As Paul wrote, "all flesh is not the same flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:39). There are different kinds of flesh. God created everything after its own kind (Gensis 1:25), each kind having its own nature. And God created man in His own image and likeness with a nature in which He could dwell and express Himself (his being/person).
To be clear: God created man after His own image and likeness. All flesh has a kind. Ours is called mankind (man-kind). And our kind is after the image and likeness of God. All this to say that the incarnation is the reason why God created us in His own image and likeness, so that He might assume and express Himself through our nature.
The man Christ Jesus is God incarnate---the Father revealed in flesh--human flesh--expressing Himself through a human nature. It was the man Christ Jesus who revealed the person of God to me, who led me to Himself through the revelation of the incarnation, because the man Christ Jesus is the Father, "the only true God," in the flesh. And so, the Son is called "the express image of His [the Father's] person" (Hebrews 1:3).
Our God is a person, who without all of His incommunicable attributes, those that make Him Almighty God, is nonetheless holy and righteous. As a person, He is loving, and kind, and good, and gentle, and faithful, and oh so humble and patient. And so much more.
And this is what Thomas realized when He said, "my Lord and my God." He realized that the man Christ Jesus is God incarnate. He is God the Father in the flesh; both our Lord and our God in one. They are the same person. And just like Phillip, He had been with me so long, yet I did not know Him.
========================
"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9).
========================
The same person who created us spoke these words:
========================
"Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16).
========================
He is a person, my brother. His name is Jesus.
-james
Dear Dr. Bernard. I'm a oneness believer. I have watched all your debates multiple times. But I have a lot of questions so I can defend my opinion better. I have two questions.
1. Because Jesus is the revelation of God. And the fullness of God incarnated. Would you be comfortable saying God died on the cross? Or that Mary is the mother of God. And if not would I (as a oneness believer) have to say Jesus had 2 SEPARATE nature's? And that one of those nature's died and the other did not?
2. Some oneness believers explain the incarnation as God putting on a suit. I did hear you say you don't agree with that view. But I never really heard an elaborate explanation. Would you maybe want to explain why you don't agree with that position and why I should not agree.
Thank you in advance.
Greetings:
See if this makes sense to you:
I am saying that the person of the Son of God is the Father. They are one and the same person; one human the other divine.
How might this be possible? The incarnation. Or what I prefer to call the metamorphosis---a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one (form or nature or thing or person), by natural or supernatural means.
When the Father took upon Himself not just the outward appearance but the whole nature of man, He willingly divested Himself of His incommunicable divine attributes (immutability, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternality, and aseity), thereby subjecting Himself to the intrinsic limitations and weakness of our nature.
By stripping away all of these attributes, all that remained was the person of God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus. And yet, He never ceased to be God, because His metamorphosis (incarnation) was limited to the corporeal body He had prepared for Himself in which to dwell (Hebrews 10:5; John 1:14).
God is a person---a personal being---like you and me, except divine. Yet as a divine being (person), He was able to share in our humanity by taking our form (both outward appearance and nature) upon Himself through the incarnation. Yet He did not become a man in the sense that He ceased to be God. Rather, the divine person assumed a corporeal existence as a man. But God is a spirit---an incorporeal being---who can infinitely manifest Himself (i.e., his being/person). For example:
As a divine being, He can be in you and me and all believers simultaneously yet be no less present in any one of us.
In like manner, He can be in Heaven and on the Earth simultaneously, yet no less present in both.
Just as He was incarnate on the earth, spoke from Heaven, and descend to the earth in the form of a dove (Luke 3:22).
I had a long journey arriving at the oneness of God because I stubbornly rejected the idea that God is a person, in the same sense that you and I are. Which led me to also reject the notion of God being a triunity of three persons (trinity).
But I finally realized that the person of the man Christ Jesus is the same as the Father. They are not two people, but one. As I already stated, one human, the other divine. The divine person expressing Himself through a different nature.
And this metamorphosis was possible by taking on a body of flesh, because our nature is in our flesh. As Paul wrote, "all flesh is not the same flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:39). There are different kinds of flesh. God created everything after its own kind (Gensis 1:25), each kind having its own nature. And God created man in His own image and likeness with a nature in which He could dwell and express Himself (his being/person).
To be clear: God created man after His own image and likeness. All flesh has a kind. Ours is called mankind (man-kind). And our kind is after the image and likeness of God. All this to say that the incarnation is the reason why God created us in His own image and likeness, so that He might assume and express Himself through our nature.
The man Christ Jesus is God incarnate---the Father revealed in flesh--human flesh--expressing Himself through a human nature. It was the man Christ Jesus who revealed the person of God to me, who led me to Himself through the revelation of the incarnation, because the man Christ Jesus is the Father, "the only true God," in the flesh. And so, the Son is called "the express image of His [the Father's] person" (Hebrews 1:3).
Our God is a person, who without all of His incommunicable attributes, those that make Him Almighty God, is nonetheless holy and righteous. As a person, He is loving, and kind, and good, and gentle, and faithful, and oh so humble and patient. And so much more.
And this is what Thomas realized when He said, "my Lord and my God." He realized that the man Christ Jesus is God incarnate. He is God the Father in the flesh; both our Lord and our God in one. They are the same person. And just like Phillip, He had been with me so long, yet I did not know Him.
========================
"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9).
========================
The same person who created us spoke these words:
========================
"Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16).
========================
He is a person, my brother. His name is Jesus.
-james
@@HeWhoHasSeenMe thank you for your explanation. I really appreciate it. But you didnt answer my initial question which are. Would oneness believers be comfortable with saying God or the Father died on the cross and if marry is the mother of God in a sense. Because as you say the person of jesus is God.
If it is in his humanity that Christ reconciles us to God - and I agree it is - then his sinlessness is NOT because of his divinity at all!
You are right that he would not be mediator if he was the second person of the Godhead, it would create the same problem and we would still need a mediator, but if his humanity is how we are reconciled, and we are reconciled to God because Jesus was without sin, then Jesus was without sin because of his humanity, and the whole nonsense of a Virgin birth being needed to ensure he was sinless is just that, nonsense.
John’s gospel has Jesus admitting he has a distinct will from God’s in his prayer to God: “nevertheless, not my will but yours be done.”
Your assertion that if there were two wills there would be two gods if Jesus is God withers under the glare of John’s gospel.
Where did the idea that GOD would ever refer to HIMSELF as a person. GOD is Deity using the word person is not something that would pleaseGOD. It is very demeaning.
As in persons of the trinity. No way.
You are very correct in your observation. Nowhere and I mean nowhere in the Greek NT or the Hebrew OT is God referred to as a person. Jesus tells us that God is spirit, Jn. 4.24. If the UPCI would quit using this term to describe God it would be a tremendous help to everyone. Also, the word manifest in 1Tim. 3.16 is in the passive voice not the active. God did not manifest himself AS flesh but rather the flesh manifested God. This comports exactly with Jn. 1.18. In Col. 2.9 which Bro. Bernard quotes from uses “in him” which is en + the dative case him to indicate the means by which God dwells bodily. It is not teaching us that God “is” the body in some sort of mystical beyond our comprehension teaching. If The Spirit of God became flesh as many understand I have a question that just begs to be answered. “Did all of God become flesh or did just a part of God become flesh? If only “part” of God became flesh then we have a very bad problem because we just divided the indivisible singular God into parts. If we say all of God became flesh we have another problem because the man Christ Jesus died on Calvary. In effect The one God would have died so we no longer have God to call upon! Another problem that comes to mind is Jn. 6.38 where Jesus states that he came down from heaven not to do, “my own will but the will of him who sent me”. This would be very strange language for the Father to say indeed! Also, the word “made” in Jn. 1.14 has the meaning of, “to experience a change in nature, and thus enter into a new condition”, according to BDAG. Thus the water that was made wine ceased to be water. If Jesus would have made the stones bread when Satan tempted him the stones would have experience a change in nature and ceased to be stones. Whatever was made flesh in Jn. 1.14 ceased to be whatever it was prior. If the UPCI and others as well cannot explain how this is so, then how do they know that their understanding is correct? One can only explain with accuracy what one understands. In short, they think they have a better mouse trap i.e., “more recent Oneness construals “ than the first men who taught the message. No, A.D. Urshan had it right when he stated, “God the Father, by the power of His Spirit, comes with and in His Son, into the world”, The Almighty God in the Lord Jesus Christ, page 12. I would have used Christ instead of Son here but he used Son. However, he hits the nail on the head by saying that because that’s exactly what happened and according to Heb. 1.6 it will happen again. See NKJV on this verse. The word “brings” here means to accompany. God was in Christ when Christ came into the world the first time.
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@@stevemarks9820 Greetings:
See if this makes sense to you:
I am saying that the person of the Son of God is the Father. They are one and the same person; one human the other divine.
How might this be possible? The incarnation. Or what I prefer to call the metamorphosis---a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one (form or nature or thing or person), by natural or supernatural means.
When the Father took upon Himself not just the outward appearance but the whole nature of man, He willingly divested Himself of His incommunicable divine attributes (immutability, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternality, and aseity), thereby subjecting Himself to the intrinsic limitations and weakness of our nature.
By stripping away all of these attributes, all that remained was the person of God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus. And yet, He never ceased to be God, because His metamorphosis (incarnation) was limited to the corporeal body He had prepared for Himself in which to dwell (Hebrews 10:5; John 1:14).
God is a person---a personal being---like you and me, except divine. Yet as a divine being (person), He was able to share in our humanity by taking our form (both outward appearance and nature) upon Himself through the incarnation. Yet He did not become a man in the sense that He ceased to be God. Rather, the divine person assumed a corporeal existence as a man. But God is a spirit---an incorporeal being---who can infinitely manifest Himself (i.e., his being/person). For example:
As a divine being, He can be in you and me and all believers simultaneously yet be no less present in any one of us.
In like manner, He can be in Heaven and on the Earth simultaneously, yet no less present in both.
Just as He was incarnate on the earth, spoke from Heaven, and descend to the earth in the form of a dove (Luke 3:22).
I had a long journey arriving at the oneness of God because I stubbornly rejected the idea that God is a person, in the same sense that you and I are. Which led me to also reject the notion of God being a triunity of three persons (trinity).
But I finally realized that the person of the man Christ Jesus is the same as the Father. They are not two people, but one. As I already stated, one human, the other divine. The divine person expressing Himself through a different nature.
And this metamorphosis was possible by taking on a body of flesh, because our nature is in our flesh. As Paul wrote, "all flesh is not the same flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:39). There are different kinds of flesh. God created everything after its own kind (Gensis 1:25), each kind having its own nature. And God created man in His own image and likeness with a nature in which He could dwell and express Himself (his being/person).
To be clear: God created man after His own image and likeness. All flesh has a kind. Ours is called mankind (man-kind). And our kind is after the image and likeness of God. All this to say that the incarnation is the reason why God created us in His own image and likeness, so that He might assume and express Himself through our nature.
The man Christ Jesus is God incarnate---the Father revealed in flesh--human flesh--expressing Himself through a human nature. It was the man Christ Jesus who revealed the person of God to me, who led me to Himself through the revelation of the incarnation, because the man Christ Jesus is the Father, "the only true God," in the flesh. And so, the Son is called "the express image of His [the Father's] person" (Hebrews 1:3).
Our God is a person, who without all of His incommunicable attributes, those that make Him Almighty God, is nonetheless holy and righteous. As a person, He is loving, and kind, and good, and gentle, and faithful, and oh so humble and patient. And so much more.
And this is what Thomas realized when He said, "my Lord and my God." He realized that the man Christ Jesus is God incarnate. He is God the Father in the flesh; both our Lord and our God in one. They are the same person. And just like Phillip, He had been with me so long, yet I did not know Him.
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"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9).
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The same person who created us spoke these words:
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"Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16).
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He is a person, my brother. His name is Jesus.
-james
2 Corinthians 5:19, David K Bernard edition: “to wit, that God IS Christ, reconciling the world unto himself.” 🤦🏽♂️
Yes, I know you read it the way it is actually written - but it’s clear what you believe is more accurately represented by the above - especially when you literally glide into explaining it as JESUS reconciling the world unto himself when the text says God - circular logic at its finest!
At 8:07, Dr. Bernard says: "He's a mediator according to the flesh". In 1Tim. 2:5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". This verse says, "the man Christ Jesus" - it doesn't say the flesh of Jesus. It doesn't say "he's a mediator according to the flesh". It says, the man Christ Jesus. It would seem to me that Oneness doctrine teaches that Jesus is just sinless flesh, with no WILL or POWER to reconcile us to the Father. A mediator tries to restore relationship between two parties. We are reconciled to the Father by the man Christ Jesus. Are Oneness saying that the man Christ Jesus has no power of His own, to do the reconciling? What about 1John 2:1-2? ?My little children, these things I write unto you, that ye sin not, and if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous". The advocate here is Jesus Christ the righteous. Verse 2: "And he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world".
The beauty of the gospel is that Jesus chose to die for us. A human without a soul or ability to choose is a shell. When I read scripture and the gospels, it is evident to me and most Christians that Jesus is God (as the Son of God). Jesus was not the Father. If Jesus had been tempted to cancel his mission and disobey His Father, we would not have been reconciled. And I believe Jesus had that choice. He could have had his angels remove him. But Jesus' CHOICE to be the sacrificial lamb for us, to me, makes the whole salvation picture open up, that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was sent by God, with will and power AND choice. A sacrifice isn't a sacrifice unless someone is willing to give His life for the world; and that is why our Father accepted His Holy Son's sacrifice. It was offered by the Son of God and the Father accepted it. There is a true living eternally-begotten Son, because The Father said, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Now why would the Father call Him His beloved Son? If God says it, why do people have a hard time to believe it? Also, Jesus prayed , "And now O Father, glorify me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". We need to recognize that this is truly GOd's Son. This loving relationship between the Father our Creator, and His Son is wonderful and glorious and no 'doctrine' of this world can change that for me.
Greetings:
See if this makes sense to you:
I am saying that the person of the Son of God is the Father. They are one and the same person; one human the other divine.
How might this be possible? The incarnation. Or what I prefer to call the metamorphosis---a change of the form or nature of a thing or person into a completely different one (form or nature or thing or person), by natural or supernatural means.
When the Father took upon Himself not just the outward appearance but the whole nature of man, He willingly divested Himself of His incommunicable divine attributes (immutability, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, eternality, and aseity), thereby subjecting Himself to the intrinsic limitations and weakness of our nature.
By stripping away all of these attributes, all that remained was the person of God incarnate, the man Christ Jesus. And yet, He never ceased to be God, because His metamorphosis (incarnation) was limited to the corporeal body He had prepared for Himself in which to dwell (Hebrews 10:5; John 1:14).
God is a person---a personal being---like you and me, except divine. Yet as a divine being (person), He was able to share in our humanity by taking our form (both outward appearance and nature) upon Himself through the incarnation. Yet He did not become a man in the sense that He ceased to be God. Rather, the divine person assumed a corporeal existence as a man. But God is a spirit---an incorporeal being---who can infinitely manifest Himself (i.e., his being/person). For example:
As a divine being, He can be in you and me and all believers simultaneously yet be no less present in any one of us.
In like manner, He can be in Heaven and on the Earth simultaneously, yet no less present in both.
Just as He was incarnate on the earth, spoke from Heaven, and descend to the earth in the form of a dove (Luke 3:22).
I had a long journey arriving at the oneness of God because I stubbornly rejected the idea that God is a person, in the same sense that you and I are. Which led me to also reject the notion of God being a triunity of three persons (trinity).
But I finally realized that the person of the man Christ Jesus is the same as the Father. They are not two people, but one. As I already stated, one human, the other divine. The divine person expressing Himself through a different nature.
And this metamorphosis was possible by taking on a body of flesh, because our nature is in our flesh. As Paul wrote, "all flesh is not the same flesh" (1 Corinthians 15:39). There are different kinds of flesh. God created everything after its own kind (Gensis 1:25), each kind having its own nature. And God created man in His own image and likeness with a nature in which He could dwell and express Himself (his being/person).
To be clear: God created man after His own image and likeness. All flesh has a kind. Ours is called mankind (man-kind). And our kind is after the image and likeness of God. All this to say that the incarnation is the reason why God created us in His own image and likeness, so that He might assume and express Himself through our nature.
The man Christ Jesus is God incarnate---the Father revealed in flesh--human flesh--expressing Himself through a human nature. It was the man Christ Jesus who revealed the person of God to me, who led me to Himself through the revelation of the incarnation, because the man Christ Jesus is the Father, "the only true God," in the flesh. And so, the Son is called "the express image of His [the Father's] person" (Hebrews 1:3).
Our God is a person, who without all of His incommunicable attributes, those that make Him Almighty God, is nonetheless holy and righteous. As a person, He is loving, and kind, and good, and gentle, and faithful, and oh so humble and patient. And so much more.
And this is what Thomas realized when He said, "my Lord and my God." He realized that the man Christ Jesus is God incarnate. He is God the Father in the flesh; both our Lord and our God in one. They are the same person. And just like Phillip, He had been with me so long, yet I did not know Him.
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"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" (John 14:9).
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The same person who created us spoke these words:
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"Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me" (Isaiah 49:15-16).
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He is a person, my brother. His name is Jesus.
-james
of course He was but THAT does not make him God.Is God in you? Jesus was anointed like no other,scripture says without measure.
Only God can forgive sin? That lie is destroyed by Jesus in Matthew 6: “for if you forgive men their trespasses…”