Ranking EVERY Prince Of Persia Game WORST TO BEST (12 Games, Including The Lost Crown!)

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  • @natef1212
    @natef1212 10 місяців тому +49

    the two thrones is underrated - that one part where you have to climb your way across a gigantic cathedral is so memorable

    • @slowmercy69
      @slowmercy69 10 місяців тому +3

      Ain't Kindred Blades tho

  • @Ant_370
    @Ant_370 10 місяців тому +12

    Prince of Persia: The Lost Crown is quickly becoming my all-time 2D MetroidVania games. I'm about 75% done with it, and this game is awesome.
    Another great 2D MetroidVania game that came out fairly recently was the Ori games.
    Part one was amazing, and part 2 was even better

  • @MartinKincl1993
    @MartinKincl1993 10 місяців тому +43

    None of the games come close to Warrior Within in terms of combat. In WW you can turn combat into art. You can grab enemies' weapons, throw their weapons, throw them, behead them, slice them into two horizontally, slice them into two vertically, hurl them into traps or into one another, finish them off with their own weapons or just break every bone in their body. You can parry in multiple ways. When dual wielding you can chain crazy combos, kicking enemies like a break dancer doing a helicopter. Add time powers to the mix and when you finally master all that and you unleash the warrior within with a perfect and varied flurry of carnage against a large group of enemies without getting hit once, it starts to give the game a whole new dimension. To me, it starts to feel almost like Tony Hawk's Pro Skater and the regular enemies are there for you show off your freestyle abilities. I can see The Lost Crown sort of mimicking that feel, but on a 2D plane it's still gonna be a far cry from WW no matter what.

    • @alessandrobaggi6129
      @alessandrobaggi6129 10 місяців тому

      👍👍👍

    • @kyoki86
      @kyoki86 10 місяців тому +1

      Yup, the fact he has it anywhere below number 1 proves he doesn't know what he's talking about and this list is 🚮

    • @FutureLifeSounds
      @FutureLifeSounds 10 місяців тому

      Warrior Within was hard af. You needed a guide to beat the game. And it had a gamebreaking bug that was never fixed.

    • @MartinKincl1993
      @MartinKincl1993 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@FutureLifeSounds What do you mean? I've never needed a guide to beat the game. In fact I never needed a guide to get all life upgrades and finish with the good ending. As for game breaking bugs, I only recall you being able to get to the big room where you fight Shahdee in the present and not being able to get back.

    • @kratos8529
      @kratos8529 10 місяців тому

      ​@@FutureLifeSounds in terms of hard , pop 3d takes the cake

  • @tommycwills
    @tommycwills 10 місяців тому +14

    Cement! I have enjoyed the few POP games that I've played and starting Lost Crown today was a great choice. So excited to keep playing!

  • @JoshCarlos1998
    @JoshCarlos1998 10 місяців тому +8

    The rayman Legends team worked on the Lost Crown.

    • @sameerhussain444
      @sameerhussain444 10 місяців тому +2

      Woahh... Had no idea. No wonder it turned out so good.

  • @DipakPawar-gp6mj
    @DipakPawar-gp6mj 3 місяці тому +2

    Sahi kaam kiya hai pop 3d ko 10 🌟 deke, I agree, its my childhood game, so I downloaded it now and reached till level 11 of 17

  • @commander4741
    @commander4741 10 місяців тому +6

    Its cool to see you still going I used to watch you 10 years ago and I loved your reviews I remembered your Call of Duty and Farcry reviews and your Sponge Bob game reviews

    • @TotallyTubularJonathan
      @TotallyTubularJonathan  10 місяців тому +2

      thank you! While I did unlist the old reviews, I do not plan on ever stopping the video grind

  • @TaylorWilmes
    @TaylorWilmes 10 місяців тому +3

    As an 8 year old at the time going from warrior within was shocking at how much the prince changed. I was down right offended that he said “bitch”, but had a lot of fun playing the game. I never got to experience the two thrones because it had nudity on the back and my mother never bought it for me for that reason at the time. Going to have to find my old OG Xbox or purchase a new one and a physical copy so I can complete it.

  • @shannonbayley3684
    @shannonbayley3684 10 місяців тому +8

    This video *cement*ed me to the screen for the entire duration good sir!

  • @cliftongardner4367
    @cliftongardner4367 10 місяців тому +4

    I haven't played a PoP game since the original on MS-DOS, so when they announced a new 2D Metroidvania and everyone was like "No! We want a PoP like the old ones!" I was like "lolwut? Oh honey," lol.
    Anyways... I bought it. I'll need to go back and play The Sands of Time trilogy at some point but dang if this isn't a direct challenger to Metroid Dread as the best Metroidvania of this generation (and possibly ever).

    • @zeroattentiongaming820
      @zeroattentiongaming820 10 місяців тому

      I'm a fan who was introduced through the Sands trilogy so take it with a grain of salt but I'd say Sands of Time at least was a must play from that generation for sure. It even included some version of the first game as an unlockable, something I think more modern (or relatively modern in this case) revivals of old franchises should do.
      If I'm not mistaken, Sands was the last time Jordan Mechner got involved with the series personally and it had his enthusiastic blessing as a succesor to what he started

  • @einfachtot6017
    @einfachtot6017 10 місяців тому +8

    I do also like Rival swords on psp, so hyped to play the lost crown in just 3 days

    • @Mintcar923
      @Mintcar923 10 місяців тому +1

      I was stoked about having the series on PSP.. The one issue is the camera unfortunately.. I died so many unnecessary deaths on Rival Swords I switched to ps2 version.. Forgotten Sands(PSP) is just weird.. Strange difficulty pattern from what I remember.. I didn’t have an issue with the ps3 version though.. I def liked it more than Jonathan! Still not as good as Sands of Time.. It was very good but not quite great..

  • @joshuar.4892
    @joshuar.4892 9 місяців тому +3

    Your videos are awesome! keep up the good work!

  • @Mintcar923
    @Mintcar923 10 місяців тому +6

    So another thing Ubi should consider is remaking the original PoP trilogy akin to what they did with AC Chronicles.. Well I guess technically they only have to worry about 2 & 3 being they already did it with the first one.. I was never a fan of tank controls not even with Tomb Raider & RE.. 2d PoP kinda gets away with it however because the animation was unprecedented at the time..
    I didn’t hate Fallen King on DS when I had it.. Admittedly it could have been much better tho.. Sadly I don’t have my have my original DS collection anymore.. I should have been smart & kept it..

  • @DarkH-gv3hc
    @DarkH-gv3hc 9 місяців тому +1

    I just finished the game a couple days ago and I absolutelly loved it. Its probably in my top 10 favorite games of all times, the combat and the platforming are a lot of fun, the story is good, and the bosses are excellent and I bet this game will be considered to have the best boss lineup in the series. I just wonder, when you said that in one cutsene, Sargon was T-posing, which one were you talking about ? And did you run into a bug where the screen just zooms out toward Sargon and it makes everything anoyingly hard to see ?

  • @f0327
    @f0327 10 місяців тому +4

    warrior within and the two thrones was the peak of prince of persia

  • @gundamw3490
    @gundamw3490 10 місяців тому +12

    Sand of ⏳ Time
    Trilogy
    Masterpiece ❤

    • @BoomerForever
      @BoomerForever 10 місяців тому +1

      no it isnt 😂

    • @Mb.24-e8k
      @Mb.24-e8k 7 місяців тому

      @@BoomerForever sands of time is a masterpeace
      warrior within is overrated the twe thrones is underrated

    • @BoomerForever
      @BoomerForever 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Mb.24-e8k Sands of time is a good game, not a masterpiece

    • @Mb.24-e8k
      @Mb.24-e8k 7 місяців тому

      @@BoomerForever womp womp

    • @krulak292
      @krulak292 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Mb.24-e8k warrior within is overrated is crazy. What do you mean? Best art direction, best story, best characters, best music. You're crazy

  • @arashmollaeipour
    @arashmollaeipour 10 місяців тому +1

    i played most of POP games and i really enjoyed lost crown its become my number 1 POP now after that i put warrior within in second position

  • @معاذ-ف1ض9غ
    @معاذ-ف1ض9غ 10 місяців тому +8

    Worrier within is the absolute best POP game
    Best story
    Best voice acting
    Best music
    Best game play
    loved the Dahaka chase
    Loved the twist near the end where you are actually the weird creature that has been attacking ,but from future

    • @athletico3548
      @athletico3548 9 місяців тому +2

      its not just best music, its the best metal theme i have ever heard of all time.
      Metallica is softcore garbage compared to this OST.

  • @FatherStack
    @FatherStack Місяць тому

    When I was a teenager in the early 2000's, I was a big fan of Sands of Time. I like the follow-up, but not quite as much. It's been years since I've played them though. Anyway, when I heard they were making a reboot of sorts in 2010, i was very sceptical, but damn was I proven wrong! Not only is the 2008 Prince of Persia my favourite of the series, but it's one of my favourite games of all time!

  • @jackal27
    @jackal27 10 місяців тому +8

    Another banger. Seems like that new PoP is cemented as a classic!

  • @dimebag505
    @dimebag505 10 місяців тому +2

    Flashback, Abes Odyssey & Exodus were also massively influenced by the original Prince of Persia, a lot of the 3d ones are on steam

  • @ReDEyE_PS
    @ReDEyE_PS 10 місяців тому +3

    Cement! I also loved the lost crown but a side quest got bugged for me and i can't complete it so im hoping for ubisoft to fix it soon since its the only thing stopping me from having 100% on it

    • @ThatMrBurger
      @ThatMrBurger 10 місяців тому

      Easy fix for the side quest bug is to unplug your controller or reset your console. Unless you played on switch I think it’s just broken bad on there

    • @ReDEyE_PS
      @ReDEyE_PS 10 місяців тому

      Thats for the moon gatherer quest but i got the parrot quest bug where the parrot doesn't even show up​@@ThatMrBurger

  • @HarshitsharmaUCEY
    @HarshitsharmaUCEY 6 місяців тому +1

    The Lost Crown is the best game.
    But Warrior Within is emotion ⚔️❤️

  • @The.Crawling.Chaos.
    @The.Crawling.Chaos. 10 місяців тому +1

    Forgotten Sands may have meh story and clearly made because of a movie but it has some of the best platforming in the series. Such as shame that everyone craps on it. I bet a lot of people never played it. Pick it up on sale for some really cool platform gameplay.
    I never understood why sands of time is the favorite of most in that trilogy. It sure is fun but man does it get repetitive doing the fights. Warrior within beat it by a mile in the fighting part. Shame that WW ditched the cool soundtrack and went NU-Metal instead.

  • @FatalJapan
    @FatalJapan 10 місяців тому

    It's nice to see an actual Ubisoft game that doesn't have micro transactions. Although I'm not happy with the Ubisoft execs' comment about us not owning our games.

  • @MysticalLibraries
    @MysticalLibraries 3 місяці тому +1

    POP 2008 is my favorite!

  • @gaganplaysgames564
    @gaganplaysgames564 7 місяців тому +2

    Still, the warrior within, the best pop . It has the atmosphere where you really something that cant be explained. The combat and dhaka chase make it unique.

  • @infinitedeath1384
    @infinitedeath1384 10 місяців тому

    I should start playing the older prince of persia games. Ive only played one of the old games, and the new one, which was awesome, especially considering ubisoft of all game studios made it. A revitalising breath of fresh air from the generic assassins creed open world games.

  • @marcopaglia8084
    @marcopaglia8084 10 місяців тому

    Sands of TIme for the GBA was also a fun metroidvania for its time

  • @hemangchauhan2864
    @hemangchauhan2864 9 місяців тому

    POP 2008 was one of the first games from Xbox360/PS3 era, and I quite liked it.
    Loved the movement and puzzles, and the art and music were so so good. Never cared for combat.

  • @Mike-hj7gg
    @Mike-hj7gg 9 місяців тому +2

    lost crown is easily the best

    • @SolidRaiden2655
      @SolidRaiden2655 4 місяці тому +1

      Nah Warrior Within and Sands of Time massively outpace it.

    • @Amusedfisherman
      @Amusedfisherman Місяць тому

      @@SolidRaiden2655how so?

  • @DanBickeru
    @DanBickeru 10 місяців тому

    Not sure why you're talking about the DS and PSP Forgotten Sands as though they're the same game. They're both 2D sidescrollers, but both have their own story and entirely different gameplay.

  • @joelsytairo6338
    @joelsytairo6338 10 місяців тому +3

    Anyone who was suprised by the lost crown being good hasn’t played a metroidvania in the last ten years or so. Hollow Knight , will if the wisps dread, deadcells… it’s been hit after hit in that genre and it’s not surprising at all

  • @joejohnson8966
    @joejohnson8966 10 місяців тому

    32:20 yes
    42:35 more games need this.

  • @johnraymondkurowski2138
    @johnraymondkurowski2138 10 місяців тому

    Cement. Always love your videos.

  • @jasonsmith530
    @jasonsmith530 10 місяців тому +1

    Lost crown is excellent
    Don’t discriminate against metroidvanias

  • @bodacious117
    @bodacious117 9 місяців тому

    I love the lost crown.. never played the others but it got me to buy the hd trilogy and try it out when it gets here

  • @JellyJman
    @JellyJman 2 місяці тому

    I think the 2008 game was pretty good, it had a lot of charm even if it was a little underbaked and the endings kinda were underwhelming

  • @wadewilson452
    @wadewilson452 4 місяці тому

    I played the classic version of the og game, i've completed the prince of persia classic so many times but when i first started to og i couldn't even move lol i never touched the game again that was not so fluid for me like the classic and sands of time.

  • @desimonenoah
    @desimonenoah 4 місяці тому

    I'm really curious how he feels about metroid dread

  • @Codewa-xb9lt
    @Codewa-xb9lt 7 місяців тому

    It looks like hollow knight and DMC had a baby.

  • @solidkwon
    @solidkwon 10 місяців тому

    I love Two Thrones. But I always chalked thst up to nostalgia cause it the Prince of Persia game I grew up with and didnt ever get to play Sands of Time.
    and then all other PoP games I’ve played since Two Thrones - 2008 reboot, Forgotten Sands, original remake - was not great experience for me.

    • @kratos8529
      @kratos8529 10 місяців тому

      True I played sot after every other game and felt it so basic but realised that it should have been played first

  • @MagnumMotions
    @MagnumMotions 6 місяців тому

    Lost Crown isn't the best prince of persia but one of the best 2D platformer of all time

  • @tunyonyoutube1376
    @tunyonyoutube1376 10 місяців тому +2

    just how many games have you completed in total?

  • @testtube173
    @testtube173 10 місяців тому

    The text to speech character was so out of nowhere I was flabbergasted. Did it ruin the game? hell no but i just couldn't believe they used a twitch donation bot voice in a game as high profile as this one. I just want to know why they did it...

  • @ActionJaxonH
    @ActionJaxonH 10 місяців тому +2

    I agree Lost Crown is EASILY the best Prince of Persia game. Anyone who says otherwise is either wearing nostalgia goggles or has a bias against 2D

    • @YEY0806
      @YEY0806 10 місяців тому

      Or is racist

    • @kolfuraxgaming7199
      @kolfuraxgaming7199 2 місяці тому

      Or don't like 2d platform games, or don't like that the hero is not a prince (my opinion) , or that it doesn't even feel like a prince of persia game and if we don't put the name prince of persia on the game's cover it would be hard to guess that it is a prince of persia game. Don't get me wrong the game itself is fine, but the problem is that we could have put another title and it would have not changed anything.

  • @ZEKESPILLEDINKMUSIC
    @ZEKESPILLEDINKMUSIC 9 місяців тому

    Prince of Persia 3D is the bottom tier for me, while The Sands of Time could be interpreted as one of the greatest second chances for a video game series.

  • @father042
    @father042 7 місяців тому

    lol you really played the SNES version of Prince of Persia II? That game is almost unplayable because it runs at higher speed

  • @alphahunterd
    @alphahunterd 10 місяців тому

    I wonder which character was the text to speech. If i've come across them and just didn't notice. Cement

    • @TotallyTubularJonathan
      @TotallyTubularJonathan  10 місяців тому

      thank you for watching! It was one of the tree spirits, doubt its still in the game (hopefully)

    • @alphahunterd
      @alphahunterd 10 місяців тому

      oh wait is it the one that lights up the path for the depths? @@TotallyTubularJonathan

  • @jeffb01
    @jeffb01 10 місяців тому +2

    I liked Forgotten Sands a lot, but not a fan of POP 2008.

    • @_------------_
      @_------------_ 10 місяців тому +1

      I got 2008 i like the relationship but not the task to collect the stupid 500 orbs 💀

  • @Mohamed-tp7pg
    @Mohamed-tp7pg 10 місяців тому +1

    warrior within the best

  • @ashleyharris4114
    @ashleyharris4114 2 місяці тому

    Warrior Within ranked 4th, what a joke!
    Ranking Two Thrones ABOVE Warrior Within... Yup.
    Luckily this is only an opinion video, because its not based on actual reality! 😅

  • @Amber_xo_133
    @Amber_xo_133 8 місяців тому

    SOT and WW ❤️

  • @hakangokhan9434
    @hakangokhan9434 10 місяців тому

    Didn’t Forgotten Sands bridge the gap between Sands of Time and Warrior Within? The tonal shift to a dark and gritty Prince was because he couldn’t save his brother and had to kill him in Forgotten Sands.

  • @youwe44
    @youwe44 10 місяців тому

    You should made tomb raider games ranking

  • @septarap3901
    @septarap3901 10 місяців тому

    27:10
    you're welcome :)

  • @nickydonaldson670
    @nickydonaldson670 10 місяців тому

    aw man the snes version of 2 is so horrible and janky it plays at double speed and misses the last level completely

  • @xcrysizz8781
    @xcrysizz8781 10 місяців тому +1

    For me it would be more like
    1.The lost Crown
    2.Warrior Within
    3.Two thrones
    4.Sands of time
    5.Prince of persia 2008
    6.Forgotten sands
    The other ones not on the list i havent played. I like em all except pop 2008 and forgotten sands.
    Pop 2008 is just boring and repetitive, it has an beautiful artstyle but that doesn't save it
    And forgotten sands is plain just bad, that was one game i literally struggled to finished it and it wasn't even hard, i just didn't want to play it

  • @RealPointVPoint
    @RealPointVPoint 10 місяців тому +5

    This generations fucked in no way is the lost clown #1 dude is not even the prince and can’t wallrun haha WW is peak

    • @kaka8635
      @kaka8635 10 місяців тому +2

      🤡🤡🤡

    • @RealPointVPoint
      @RealPointVPoint 10 місяців тому

      @@kaka8635 🤡🤡🤡 says the guy meat riding TLC fake POP fan

    • @ashleyharris4114
      @ashleyharris4114 2 місяці тому +2

      Spot on man! 😊

  • @MrSatanislav
    @MrSatanislav 10 місяців тому +8

    Putting a weird-ass spin-off where u dont even play as Prince developed as a stereotypical metroid-vania rip-off higher than timeless Trilogy (SoT, WW,TT) - ok I calm down, I won't insult anybody just for his pervert tastes.. I guess your alltime fav game is Ori

    • @alessandrobaggi6129
      @alessandrobaggi6129 10 місяців тому +5

      I'd say he's been payed for that "opinion" 😏

    • @The.Crawling.Chaos.
      @The.Crawling.Chaos. 10 місяців тому +3

      Indeed! Of course the new game is the "best" I call bullshit!

    • @YEY0806
      @YEY0806 10 місяців тому +4

      ​@@The.Crawling.Chaos. or maybe the new game is actually good and you should just give it a try

    • @kskr8610
      @kskr8610 10 місяців тому +2

      Yall really in this much denial lol TLC is fucking amazing

    • @OneRandomVictory
      @OneRandomVictory 9 місяців тому +3

      Firstly, sometimes spin-offs are better than the original. Secondly, who cares if you are not playing the prince. You're not playing Donkey Kong in DKC2 but that game is still amazing.

  • @1gga17
    @1gga17 10 місяців тому

    Pop2 shadow and the flame snes version is the worst, it's missing lots of content and graphics are downgraded. Dos version is the ultimate one.

  • @mysteriousgamer8941
    @mysteriousgamer8941 8 місяців тому

    Idk man, the prince of persia series has always been mediocre at best, their cool games but largely forgettable that don't make u want to revisit them. It's successor assassins creed is much better, atleast it has some great games and games like origins, odyssey, valhalla, black flag & mirage destroy even the best prince of persia.
    Prince of persia is ok ppl but it's son (ac) has far surpassed it, hence why it's a bigger, lasting series.
    AC >>> POP anyday ✌.

  • @jamesrodney951
    @jamesrodney951 10 місяців тому +5

    Everyone knows you chose the newest one for number 1 because you got free review code lol

    • @kskr8610
      @kskr8610 10 місяців тому +1

      Play it.

  • @alessandrobaggi6129
    @alessandrobaggi6129 10 місяців тому +3

    Too soon... and no Prince
    👎

  • @MartenKey
    @MartenKey 10 місяців тому

    cement

  • @Sneaky_racoon_sly
    @Sneaky_racoon_sly 10 місяців тому +2

    very hard to believe, that you think the first Prince of Persia is better than 2008

    • @issi529
      @issi529 10 місяців тому +1

      Indeed. Some people have a big nostalgia problems.

    • @kimetsunoacademia3528
      @kimetsunoacademia3528 10 місяців тому

      @@issi529 bro had like 9 different warnings saying that this is not a nostalgia list since he just recently played the games for the first time. How tf are you guys this deaf? and just because the original games are old and a bit dated does not mean they are bad in anyway. 2008 is just alright, and its major detraction is the easy af gameplay that require nothing more than the bare minimum from the player because you practically never die or fail. Original Prince of Persia is a rewarding endurance test similar to the likes of PacMan and Tetris. You guys are just pampered with your modern standards and i am saying this as a Gen Z dude. So dont give me that nostalgia bullshit.

    • @issi529
      @issi529 10 місяців тому

      @@kimetsunoacademia3528 It actually is but ok. By the way they are not a bit dated but very dated. You are just biased if you think otherwise. Maybe not nostalgic but they go along with the brandwagon nostalgia opinions from other people. An original game doesn't mean that its always the best game.

  • @banterabc5135
    @banterabc5135 10 місяців тому

    there really just were two real PoP games.
    the MSdos platformer one (20:32) and Sands of Time.
    everything else is a filler.
    I thought the remaster of sands of time was cancled, there isn't noone working on it at this time they said

  • @issi529
    @issi529 10 місяців тому +1

    The prince of persia 3D looks so so bad.😂😂😂😂😂

    • @1gga17
      @1gga17 10 місяців тому

      For it's time, when low poly games were present i think it looks decent, unless you are 10 year old with a closed off mindset.

    • @issi529
      @issi529 10 місяців тому

      @@1gga17 Of course in his time it looked decent but were not in 90s anymore. My point is the game aged really really bad. Unless your suffering from nostalgia like many other clowns.

    • @1gga17
      @1gga17 10 місяців тому

      @@issi529 what it has to be with suffering from nostalgia? You need to take into account the current available technology and more details which were involved in the development. Pop 3d has tons of bugs and other issues, but on the surface if you are an open minded individual you can appreciate the level of passion which went into the project. If you are intellectual degenerate i feel sorry for you, you'll get there maybe someday.

    • @issi529
      @issi529 10 місяців тому

      @@1gga17 Dude your comment has zero to do with my point. You are overthinking way too much. This game aged as hell thats a fact. Just like many other games from that time. Btw 3d games are overall much better so need to talk about bugs or something. Some games don't age well and some others do.

    • @zacharyrichardson770
      @zacharyrichardson770 4 місяці тому

      ​@1gga17 what's with the hostility?? Super mario rpg came out like 4 years before and plays and looks better then pop 3d it was shit for it's time and it's shit now what a weird cope.

  • @koltyrion4188
    @koltyrion4188 10 місяців тому

    Nah man. I'm sorry but latest prince of persia isn't prince of persia anymore. It doesn't have the feel and looks. It's such a mediocre metroidvania in itself but when they slap pop tag on it now people say it's good. I can't stand that such large studio can't even give us a full and big new entry and instead they release bugged and weak 2d metroidvania that somehow gets praised. Have you played hollow knight? Ori? Metroid or Castlvania? It's a joke that this game is above anything on the list and especially sands of time.

    • @kskr8610
      @kskr8610 10 місяців тому

      Did you play the game?

    • @koltyrion4188
      @koltyrion4188 10 місяців тому

      @@kskr8610 Yes and don't get me wrong. Game in itself is not bad or terrible. It's painfully mediocre and looks/feels like it was made by some indie studio. Would you still play it if it was a no name brand on the cover?

  • @dannun7269
    @dannun7269 10 місяців тому

    basically 2D dmc