Talking About "The Code" and Unwritten Rules in Hockey
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- Опубліковано 11 лют 2024
- Hey all and here's a topic I wanted to discuss today.
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Claude Giroux calling people a “f***in pigeon” and cooing at them is probably my favorite chirp 🤣
Any chirp that doesn’t have a swear is going to be a great chirp. Matt Martin’s “go dye your hair” comes to mind too
Sorry, too much money invested in players, development, arenas not to mention fans pay alot to see their favourite player and now the betting "industry" is huge. Long past time for professionals to act professional, the owners, league and players need to agree on a new "code" that reflects the modern game. No I'm not some woke kid, I watched the leafs win the cup on the family black n white, times change.
@@SMA2343that’s exactly what i thought of. my favorite one for sure 😂
@@j.richardson3638I agree 100%.
I think the specific instance most people think of him saying that too was him chirping JVR which they're former teammates/friends. So he was just joking around anyway too.
#1 Unwritten rule: Don't Write down the unwritten rules on a white board
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Rule #2 DON'T write down the unwritten rules on a white board!
Shannon covered the Golden rule. Don't be a dick. Great stuff
Which you just did.
@@christianmarteling.7120sir this is the youtube comments section not a whiteboard please get your vision checked
15:05 as a sharks fan, I can confirm that teams now run up the score with no mercy
Why should teams give your team mercy. I'm a London Knights fan and we are on a 20+ game point streak, with 14 wins in a row, 2 shootout losses, then no more losses after that. And many of the games have been blowouts, like 9-2 against Sarnia, 10-3 against Kitchener, and 10-0 against Owen Sound. It boosts the confidence of the players, lets weaker goal scorers get on the board, and makes the fans more confident in their team, boosting their ticket sales, as well as being a wakeup call for each team we destroyed. If you're a good team, just go out and get goals
LOL sorry that make me giggle. Karlessons a team killer.. kills teams hes a part of. So happy you took him off our hands.
If you promise to not score and try and to come back and win, I promise not to score anymore.
Can't speak for other teams, but when Toronto was up big on the Sharks not long ago & got a PP later in the game, it was the 3rd/4th liners on the PP, not the 'star' players. So that was definitely showing 'mercy' as opposed to the big dogs going out to get their 'cookies'.
@@coastaku1954I think it was more of a lighthearted joke and not meant to be taken that seriously
I hate when a player throws a perfectly clean hit but then gets jumped by the opposing team. Drives me crazy...
@bdonaghu The whole point of jumping the guy after a big clean hit is to attempt to deter him from doing it again. Because a "clean" hit can still result in serious injury and a lot of missed time.
@@steve8803 This is a terrible argument, and if you're going to get jumped from throwing a clean hit, then you might as well just taking out of the game entirely...
Pylon 😆
@bdonaghu taking hitting out of the game is a terrible argument. Very few hit result in a brawl. But for the ones that do, the game at ice level is fast! These guys do not get the opportunity to re-watch a hit in their armchair 100 different times from 20 different angles before they decide to self police. All they see is their guy get blown up and they react. And so they should!!
@@steve8803 everyone who reads that is now dumber
I’ve said it for years, decades. The handshake line at the end of a series is the classiest tradition in all of professional sports. It’s perfect. It shows so much of who these men are, how much they respect each other, and it gives the fans a positive example of the kind of people they should want to be. It’s leadership at its finest. There is only one moment in all of professional sports that was more magnanimous, and that’s when Joe Sakic handed the cup to Ray Bourque to enjoy his first skate.
To be fair you have a lot of players and ex-players who think the handshake line should be done away with and that it's a waste of time and that many times is disingenuous and they don't/didn't like being forced to it lol (remember Lucic and Weiss a few years back or even Avery and Broudeur). I agree that superficially it's a nice and unique tradition but it really is just that a lot of the time lol
@@kiroolioneaver8532 The fact that they dont want to is why it's important. You can hate a guys guts but you shake hands to show respect to both the competition & the game.
half the reward of winning a series against your rival or bitter enemy is giving him a smug smile in the handshake line and "graciously" accepting his handshake.
AVs fans...lovers of cheap shot lemieux.
It's common for the SC winning captain to make his first hand-off to a veteran player who's had the longest wait on the team. It's an unwritten rule.
@@johnhaley9706 remember though, Joe didn’t hoist it or skate with it. He just handed it off. That’s very uncommon.
I'm older. And the "code" as far I ever knew was yeah, you can go after a guy who slaps it into an empty net. But you push hm. or grab his jersey, or if you want to make a statement you drop the gloves. The "code" has never been " try and hit near his head with a stick"
Kind of has been. Guys used to tomahawk chop eachother for almost no reason. By "older" idk what you mean, but Rielly's reaction was pretty tame by pre-1995 or so, standards lol
so what if it's a slapper into a empty net? It's basically a celebration. Retaliation is unsportsmanlike.
Right!? That is NOT any code except ‘whahh, we lost the game and we’re mad!’
@@ropesauce Not only that, a slapshot just increases the likelyhood of the player missing/whiffing on the empty net. Never interrupt your opponent when they're making a mistake
@@ropesauce No, it's called being a dick and rubbing salt into a wound. Remember: not only should you lose with grace, but win with grace as well.
Any coach I've ever had (hockey or any other sport) would have benched us for at least two or three games if we did something similar to what Greig did.
When your teammate is in a fight, you are obligated to grab a “dance partner” even if it’s just to wrap them up. Can’t be the only one not mixing it up 😂
Tell Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Jarnkrok, Liljegren too name a few leafs that.
I remember a fight... devolve into a near line brawl with a bunch of players shoving each other around throwing punches... only for two European players attempt to fight each other, realize they couldn't then tried to get back into the "scrum" to hide the fact that what they really wanted to do was stand around and watch their teammates battle it out with Team Zebra. ROFL.
Yup. Just grab the guy next to you. Usually end up just standing together watching then tap your sticks at the end
The "Ned Braden" rule
This sounds like something we should have included during our dance lessons in 9th grade.
Hockey rules should have applied there too.
'Muted goal celebration' made me instantly think of the Patrick Roy presser after the game where Duchene scored #30.
I honestly love how much Shannon clearly enjoyed his "adoption" by the Ducks. He's brought them up almost every video since he went and I'm all for it 😂
You forgot the Don't hit the rookie unwritten rule (Big hits on rookies, vets step up to drop gloves)
It's not "don't hit the rookie" I'd say it's more "If someone hits your rookie, you need to go after that guy to defend him". Playing physically vs rookies is very much so utilized as a strategy
Running up the score is totally justified in this era where comebacks happen all the time. It was different when you could consistently lock a game down after a one or two goal lead
It is a sliding scale. 4
Goal lead, ok. 5
Goal lead, iffy. Then it becomes gratuitous.
@@kftc1980I don't think running up the score matters at all. It's more when they're putting out the top line with 1 minute left, up by 8 goals. That seems a bit much
@@people3865 it’s also asking for trouble and dumb.
@@kftc1980 Ah yes, being better than another team is trouble and dumb. Yes. Of course. We've seen 4 goal leads lost. Only an idiot doesn't use their lead to take a bigger lead. It's kind of an unwritten rule of blackmail. Use your hold to get a better hold. It applies elsewhere, clearly.
@@Earthboundmike He means it's stupid to be playing your star players hard minutes when you're up 6-0 because you're burning them and risking injury for no reason. It's a perfect time to rest them and give other players a chance to get some ice time. It has nothing to do with considering the other team's feelings.
Current favourite chirping story: during the 2010 Olympics my Norway was playing Canada and before a drop one of the Norwegian players said something to Rick Nash, who responded with: "I see you're using my stick"
'Never touch the cup before you win it' is common to a lot of sports. I've certainly heard mention of it in Football (Soccer)
I’m old enough to remember when you could see 2 or 3 bench clearing brawls in a single game. I’m all for players protecting their own, but it feels like we only hear players talk about “the code” these days when a player had to fight after a clean hit or because “he celebrates to much”
Ahhhhh,… the early days of the Flyers. I do miss them! 👍🏻
@@richardcorwin3360The one thing I will say, is after every bench clearing brawl you could go have a smoke, grab a couple beers, take a nap, come back and they finally resumed play.
That's the one thing I don't miss.
@@people3865 I was at a Kitchener Rangers @ London Knights OHL game and the 3rd period took like an hour to get through because the two teams wouldn't stop fighting each other...
That must be where the joke "I went to see a fight and then an ice hockey match broke out" comes from. No thanks.
Fight night at the Joe
I remember some of those old fights and saying " he got 5 minutes for fighting and the other guy got 5 minutes for receiving."
I remember a "fight" with Nick Fotiu and (I think) Willi Plett in the days when the Flames were still in Atlanta. Those were two big, tough guys and they squared off and did a lot of juking and feinting, looking for an opening to throw a bomb, but after about 30 seconds of that the linesmen jumped in between them and they were each given two minutes for "Delay of Game".
@@RRaquello😂 How humiliating 😅
@@RRaquello Willi Plett! Never was a fan of him 😁. I remember he squarred up with Al Secord and he just kept circling and staying away. Finally, Al had enough, grabbed him, and got a few good shot in. I miss some of that craziness from the 70s and 80s.
@@gregofthelake Secord was a tuffy with a lot of skill. A completely extinct type of player which I really miss. All the really good teams always had a guy like Secord but I don't think there is even one Secord type in today's NHL.
@@RRaquellohahaha, that is amazing
when I played AA as a goalie I got a dress down because I did not call out an opposing player having stick up going around goal, I did not get it until a season later catching a concussion from the exact same play... self policing (even team mates) is one of the best parts of hockey and I hope that never goes away
In the KHL handshake lines happen after every game even during the regular season and preseason games. The only exception is when the game ends with fighting and chirping, then referees ask the teams to leave the ice separately
I think that's a good thing, I love seeing good sportsmanship in Hockey
We do it every single game in our beer league
In The Newfoundland they've recently banned the after game handshake, I don't get it and a lot of people think it should be encouraged.
@@marcpower4167 I like it when Hockey Players are actually human to each other
That’s crazy the KHL does that in the regular season.
regarding the celebrating after a goal when i grew up playing i remember being told act like you've done it before, nothing new just simple hands up and group huddle like you said
Yeah the attitude should be on to the next not celebrating like its over already when its not
You'll also notice that the celebrations get really muted if one team is blowing away their opponent.
@MrNightRome depends on the situation. If you score a goal that makes it 5-1 for the opposing team, you're not going to react much. But if you score an OT winner that will certainly garner a much larger reaction.
when ever i see that it always reminds me of the Key and Peele football skit@@CapraObscura
I knew most of these from watching hockey all my life but I never heard of the no slapping the puck into an empty net until it happened recently.
Me too. I've been watching the NHL for 40 years and haven't been made aware of the 'proper' way to score an empty net goal until this situation. I'm thinking one angry guy in Toronto has caused a lot of commentating type people proclaim this 'rule' that has been in existence since before bread was sliced.
It's seen as disrespectful among players because essentially it's overkill. If you could simply "pass" the puck or wrist shot into the net freely, but decide to wind up a big snapshot. That's basically just rubbing it in.
So the unwritten rule is "Never hurt the opponents feelings by rubbing a loss in their face"?@@wlnlax14
Hockey players are so gentlemanly.
Civilians are permitted to touch the Stanley Cup, but raising it (or attempting to) is forbidden.
Or what
@@BlakeWheelersBurnerAccount That's what the Keeper told me, when I visited the Cup (in Boston -- Winter Classic 2023.)
Ya curtesy of the CRA
I have my own personal rule of not touching it unless my team wins it. I’ve seen the cup here and there the last few years, but haven’t touched it since 2014.
Yep do not touch the Cup, you might end up jinx, or worse if the hockey gods get involved, your team. :)
This was a fun video. I've been watching hockey all my life so I knew all of them, but I still enjoyed seeing them on a white board.
Same, and I was only aware enough of what was happening by the late 1990s. All of these applied into the 2000s at least.
I started watching hockey this year and finding this channel has been the greatest!! Shoutout to you for informative, entertaining videos
As a self proclaimed knuckle dragger I approve of these 'codes' and 'unwritten rules'.
I absolutely freaking love this channel and the dedication to it. Keep being awesome!
Shoresy and your channel help with learning the unwritten rules.
Thank you!
At the end of the day, the "unwritten 'rules'" are not the rules. The rules are the rules. Grieg did not break any rules. Rielly did.
⬆️ …one of the tuxedo guys???
This insightful video is why I subscribed awhile ago. Shannon knows.
I’m really digging the “Weekend at Bernies” vibe! Also, I think you need to bring back the word scrum. If anyone complains, we, your fans, will be happy to get into a “SCRUM” with the opposers on your behalf!
Weekend at Bernie Parent’s
Hmm… I wonder what dramatic event could have brought this video to be
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Great show! Thank you, sir!
I find it crazy that the code says you have to gently guide the puck into an empty net to protect your opponents' feelings and not doing so justifies vicious retaliation, but there's nothing in the code about not trying to put them in the hospital.
Wow. Thanks for this video. I've been saying this all week. For new guys like me New to hockey.
Us Aussies have enough trouble learning the rules haha.
Thanks again
If you're playing down in beer league so you can play with friends, you play as a defensive defenseman. Look to pass first or take low shots from the point. The exception is if your team is down by a few goals. Then you can go end to end and get one to keep things close.
Remember the tiger Williams riding his stick 😂😂😊
The no shooting into opponents net in warm up. There was a guy in a uk team who thought it would b a good idea to shoot pucks into the opponents end and resulted in a brawl before the warm up ended and the 2 players being nicked by local cops 😅😅
THG looks like he spent his Super Bowl weekend in Waikiki
Just remember, if someone is chirping at you, you can always plug your ears with your two Stanley Cup rings. ;)
The playoff handshake line is sacred. No other sport does it.
"No other sport" is a bit of an exaggeration. In soccer/football it's very common for instance, even exchanging jerseys (albeit not necessarily in a line like in hockey).
@@JustBrowsing777 Yup. Absolutely. I totally misspoke. Of the 4 major North American sports leagues, only hockey does it
@@kadel300 no worries 😊
Only the 4 North American sports leagues. Have a look at rugby, rugby league, Australian Rules football, etc. There are handshake lines at the end of every GAME!
...plus most hockey leagues does it after every regular season game.
“It’s only going to hurt the guy who’s throwing the punches”😂
I think that's why full shields and cages are prohibited for the uninjured (imagine a construction site not allowing hard hats unless you've been struck in the head). There would be no more flesh left to punch and fighting would probably disappear without a ban.
@@JPMaddenIt's actually been said it could be used as a weapon.
I'm not sure if you watch football, but they used to destroy people with their helmets. It's like hitting a guy with a bowling ball at full speed.
That's what the league has said, anyway.
@@people3865 I used to watch football, back when that was allowed.
Take those hemmets off while fighting. Atleast they used to do it if they had visors. If no visor they kept the helmet off
I'd love to see a video about fan etiquette in hockey as I'm sure there are lots of intricacies! I've been a fan for a few years but I'm not living in my hometown anymore so my team is always visiting when I get the chance to see them. I'm always worried there is an unwritten rulebook as a fan of the visiting team that I've missed lol
Love this subject. Thank you. NFL rules that are unwritten will be written following the rules committee annual meeting.
Great video. Very fascinating.
thanks for the content
Love the shirt in the video😂😂🙌🏻 is it for sale anywhere? Great video as always!
Stick tap for players getting up from injury. This is just me as a goalie we only have 1 minute to get to the other side so I always talk to the other goalie in crossing and tap gloves
Interesting stuff....I've seen unwritten rules broken in basketball, football, and baseball. 😮
I loved Steve dangles take on the greig hit - praising him for reviving the battle of ontario
Your chirps are too kind Shannon!😂
Cool look Shannon.
Love the shirt!
1996 western finals game six has the best post handshake quote ever imo.
I can't wait to hear a PA announcer say "Boston penalty to no. 63, Brad Marchand, ... 2 minutes for Being a Dick." 😂
Shooting a puck into an EN and a guy crosschecks you in the head, which is worse? The latter, obviously.
Very interesting. Running up the score is over kill but I rather have that then the dread will hold in our zone and win attitude. Thank you.
Heres a code to go by. "Beat the 28th best team in the league once"
Leafs did... then lost 2 games straight. :p
This topic and the debate surrounding it is some of the best hockey content. I appreciate the detailed approach you take without becoming pure analytics. Three unwritten rules i can think of from the officiating side is make up penalties, how/what rules are enforced depending on the manner of play in a given game, playoff officiating v regular season officiating. Honestly you could make an entire video on this. Gets away from the regular complaining about the refs when context of the game (even past games) factors in. Anyways, thanks for the vids.
"I can't believe I shook that guy's friggin hand."
There's brawls and then there's warm up brawls and I think it's important we make the distinction.
Shannon absolutely dripped out this vid
What would be the most transgressive way to score on an empty-net breakaway? If Greig had wrapped around the net and scored a "Michigan" on the breakaway, would that be a bigger unwritten-rules violation than the slapshot?
That button down is Awesome!
one of my favorite 'fights' was Phil Kessell keeping his 'opponent' at bay with his stick.
Bring us back to hockey in the 80's & 90's. Such a better game to watch back then.
What I find that is stupid is when you deliver a clean hit you have to fight. Jesus this is hockey. A clean hip check for example which you don’t see too often … well now you have to fight someone.
All players are now salesman who have to entertain the new American audience who thinks hockey is just a violent kind of ice soccer.
chirping is some of the most fun in hockey, I chirp my teamates all the time
It was a warm up fight!
With running up the score, at some point you do have to take your foot off the gas.
On the offside chirping, Zinedine Zidane will always be the example of what you do when someone crosses the line. haha
And it was one of the most stupid decisions of his career
You obviously haven't seen Chris Nilan butt end Rick Midleton in the mouth and knock out a bunch if teeth. Nifty was much more respectful around him afterwards lolll
Good segment.
Awesome content always! LETS Go CANES
The concept of not trying too hard to score when a lead is big is so dumb. I would not follow that one if I was an NHLer.
Heres one that just came up not that long ago. Is playing the other teams home goal song after you score at home. That's not so much for the players but the Dj.
The over-arching rule in any organized hockey is that you do NOT disrespect the opponent’s goal. You don’t shoot after the whistle. You don’t put the puck in their net ever outside of during the game. And apparently you don’t send a clapper into the empty net.
The second you start any shenanigans around the opposing net, you are going to get pummeled. That’s just the way it is, from the beeriest of beer leagues to the NHL. You learn that REAL quick out there.
excellent giveaway by the Ducks - that shirt is great
Oh no you wrote them down! The Hockey Guy lives dangerously.
Stay on your side.
One no no...never step on your own team crest on the locker room floor.
Thanks for your views. Here are a few updates: 1) players have been over celebrating goals for years & new celebrating like this slap shot goal are being invented, 2) when a player showboats he faces the opponents looking for a fight - if he expects a fight, 3) no attacking from behind with a stick to the head, and 4) when Marner won’t drop his gloves while Marchand gives him a face wash - that is why the Leafs get known as soft.
We expect more slap shot empty net goals scored on the Leafs. Reaves says he wants to score a goal like this on Ottawa. {Would love to see him do it.}
If the Leafs want to fight anyone - they are welcome. Just don’t attack the guy from behind while he is celebrating a goal - with a stick to the head.😀
I want to see a Michigan Goal Scored Into An Empty Net. Outside of Toronto - fans in Ottawa and in other NHL cities loved this Empty Net Slap Shot Into The Net Goal.
Marner & Nylander need to start fighting smallish players their own size - for the Leafs not to be seen as soft. {Bruins fans would love a Marner versus Marchand fight.}
How many fights - next Ottawa versus Leafs game? Why not have Matthews fight Tkachuk? Doesn’t Auston have to “man up” at some point. He is big enough to be expected to fight his own battles.
Matthews would get owned simply because he isn't that type of player while Tkachuk is. It would be cool seeing two players from Scottsdale, AZ fighting each other though.
Another one is not laying crunching hits in a preseason game.
@@chengliu872 Matthews should face him rather than be seen as a Soft Leaf. Auston needs to just drop the gloves & then hang on. He doesn’t have to win - just to show up to the fight - rather than being on the run. Matthews is big enough to face his own battles & help the Leafs ditch their soft label.😀
Epic pedantic fan 'scrum' riff! Well done!
I'd just continue to say scrum just to cheese 'em off.
Oh boy here we go
You are bang on with beer league players playing below their level. An Australian learning to play, maybe short of 20 games with guys who played Junior going end to end and celebrating afterwards. I challenged him at his bench
I've definitely seen people in baseball complaining about running up the score. And I've barely watched any baseball.
Funny you said this about 5-0 games and I just watched a lot of fights between mtl & ana that same day.
I feel like shoot the puck to the net after whistle can also be considered as an unwritten rule of hockey because its in the same line of showing off.
When you brought up showboating, especially after scoring a goal, my mind went to Dave 'Tiger' Williams, who had a habit of riding his hockey stick around the ice.
Something else that came to mind, although maybe not thought of as showboating, and not involving hockey, was celebrations after a touchdown.
Remember Shayne Corson of MTL and the post warm-up fights vs. Flyers in the 1987 playoffs?!
The classic "na na, na na na na, hey hey hey goobye" habs fan chant do in the second period with a 4-0 lead has turned a bit us in the ass a few times 😂.
The best ever is when mtl did Vince Mcmahon
Shannon got that shit on 🔥
Great video brother, can we get a room tour?
Shannon, your ducks shirt is 🔥 lol..
I remember Clarkson arguing with another player over a water bottle.
Oh and Corey Perry pouring water in another guys glove was hilarious
Lucic telling dale weiss he's gonna kill him in the handshake line is also another tale to be told
i forget who it was but theres a GIF out there of Methot poking Crosby and another guy squirting water in Crosbys glove from the bench.. so classic.
There's a video on UA-cam of some Red Wings player grabbing the mouthguard out of Patrick Kane's mouth and throwing it on the ice. It's pretty funny because it was when Kane was a rookie and he looks like a wise guy 12 year old kid being given a lesson by an old man. Even the linesman who separated them had to laugh.
Jamie Benn has done similar stuff with water in gloves too. Also sitting on people in the corners.
Yeah I think imo if ur opponent has his helmet off in a fight when he loses balance and falls I think u should have a responsibility to make sure he doesn't bang his head hard against the ice.
Good video.
Mannnn i missed that giveaway. I thought they werent gonna be as good as they were
Aw shoot. Chirping the opposing bench is part of the charm of hockey!
It's always personal when we chirp, shannon 😅 love chirping with ya though
The views on running up the score has changed because of advanced stats and potentially the gambling aspect.
More and more teams are using advanced stats for contract negotiations so players understand that for the bottom 6/bottom pair guys that ice time is vital for upping those advanced stats so they can have better leverage when they come to negotiate their pay & an extra 250K a year could be a lot to them. That's why I think Basketball, Hockey & even Football now are open to running up the score as you should put your younger players and the back ups/bottom of the rotation players in and allow them their chance to play and develop. The only issue would be if you are constantly turning out your top lines trying to run up the score, then I could see why teams get annoyed.
Baseball is different as its not like you can sub the entire team out as you only have a couple of bench players so the superstars come out but the everyday starters have to keep playing so that's why the only "unwritten rules" that tends to make sense is when you are up significantly you stop stealing and don't try to push for the extra base on the basepaths. Just make the game simple we pitch and you hit, it reduces the chance of unnecessary injury and we all treat the game as live training knowing we come back tomorrow and have to do it all over again.
Isn’t the empty net slapper very similar to a last second dunk when the game is already decided
That's all good. But do you cross check a scorer into the head from behind after empty net slapshot? Plenty other options ... trip him down, drop gloves, body check. stick slash etc. (anything reducing injury risk ...)
As a basketball fan in addition to hockey, I find it interesting that many of the unwritten rules that are in hockey that are related to showboating also apply in basketball, though players nowadays are much more likely to get away with it in the NBA than they did in the 80's & 90's largely due to the fact that the NBA has cracked down big time on the number of fights following the "Malice in the Palace" incident 20 years ago. However if players try to showboat in college basketball or in the various pro leagues in Europe, there will likely be at least be a hard foul if not worse committed by the team that were the victims of the showboating. Then when it comes to running up the score, I agree with THG that you see it more in other sports besides hockey. The only other sport in addition to hockey where running up the score is discouraged is soccer especially in South America where there have been full blown riots & games being abandoned as a result of one team running up the score on another particularly in derby (rivalry) games.
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