For everyone commenting about other games having cheating problems (you tf2 fans in particular) should realize that i’m not talking about current situations. I meant counter-strikes cheating problem goes way back and has “continued” to be a problem, as I said in the intro.
tf2 has had a cheating problem for as long as csgo has if not longer. In new cs2 i hardly see cheaters, but in tf2 i still see at least one cheater in every casual queue.
I remember talking to a few people in the HvH community back in 2018. Super chill guys, all pretty much telling me that they have no interest in ruining peoples fun with cheats, they rather ruin another cheaters fun by just cheating "better". But still, the fact that CSGO has a Hacker VS Hacker scene, or had, is just proof of how bad of a problem cheating in CS is.
this is what makes you guys literally insane because I've played for 10+ years and compete at the Global level. Yall are garbage WITH hacks. Guarantee you guys think I cheat because of my pure skill. Yes you guys ruin the game because you're psychotic and assume people who are genuinely good are cheating, just utter garbage. Dog water with hacks, you can play for 3 years and then download hacks and STILL SUCK. It takes 5+ years to get as good as us, who have 10+ years on our belts WITH NO HACKS. Get good kids. It takes YEARS.
Lies, HvH is the most toxic of the toxic I hop into a HvH every few months (without cheats mind you, just to kill them and call them slurs) and they are all bottom of the barrel scum
Now a days theres still a bunch of us that are chill but a lot of us are gone and been replaced with kids and teens that try to be as toxic as possible
@@Bliss_Hop its always been kids and teens, when i was doing it from 2016-2018 most of us were 15-18, the older you get the less appealing the environment is. Its always been super toxic and egotistical
@@ByeBaybe 1. This is one of the most popular games on Steam, any dev would murder for such numbers. 2. If there were no cheaters, there would be more players. 3. TF2 makes absurd amounts of money from community crates etc. 4. If Valve wanted to, they could introduce battle royale in TF2 and turn it into fortnite. 5. Valve is not developing TF2 because it is not innovative project for them. That's all.
The thing I hate most is how paranoid this whole situation has made everyone. So many factors get overlooked and just get lumped into "he's cheating." It's always satisfying to have a good round/match and be on the receiving end of a hackusation, not so much in reverse.
You can't trust anyone. I've never cheated but I was also accused for using hacks. I played professional in CS 1.6 and even then I was accused to have manipulated recoil. But I've seen a lot of 100 % cheaters (+Overwatch was a mess, >90 % were tri-factors) and I know that there is a dark digit. People with skill and experience can hide some hacks very well.
I used to think it wasn't so bad, if the game wasn't very popular. Recently, a dead game came out and said they banned ~130 players. The average player count is ~500. Online pvp is dead. @@exoroxx
CS' cheating scene is wild. People seriously don't understand how many cheaters there are in the community. Any time I ask people they think 5% or less of players cheat. I'd venture to say it's more than 25%
Depends on the rank. When I was global in csgo, I estimate 80% of the people I played with were walling if i solo queued, and the the 9th guy was aimbotting. Then theres me playing legit and managing to keep my rank only because all the other players would constantly get banned and I would get my lost points back.
@@TheSuperappelflap You're absolutely right. I always wanted to know how many GE players were cheating. At always felt like LEM and above was a real crap shoot. By time I got together with my team I was bouncing between Supreme and Global and I could never hang on to global. I played CSS and 1.6 professionally but CSGO was a complete shift and i still swear that a lot of the pros are cheating and I wouldn't doubt if the orgs just let them because of how much money they were pulling in. Hell we found out one of our main riflers was cheating for at least half our scrims.
@@TacticalPlaytime oh yeah the pro stuff, i followed that since about 2015-2016 when flusha was doing his thing. Having played a bunch of shooters at like tier 6 competitively it was pretty obvious for me there was cheating going on at lans. I remember seeing a video of shox calling flusha out in 2016 or so and a bit later he was doing the same shady things, aiming at heads through walls without info. And of course we know players like JW and simple have had cheating bans in the past. Every once in a while valve would van some tier 2 players from Bulgaria but obviously didn't want to touch their main honey pot of tier 1 players with lots of fans buying stickers and coins for majors. I think that valve, tournament organisers and team orgs mostly just operate on a basis of plausible deniability.
@@TacticalPlaytime i actually had an hltv account with the same name as this one, superappelflap, but the admins kept deleting my threads if I talked about it and eventually banned my account so I gave up on it. Most of the community didn't want to know, anyway.
I mean, the guy who got to #1 on Faceit was cheating for probably the entire time. Then finally he got banned. I wonder was it the constant running with knife out unless he had to peek, was kind of weird. Ignored many angles that were, of course, empty
Was at Dreamhack last month, and this kid a row in front of my squad was cheating his ass off with aimbot, wallhacks, util previews and skin changer, was really sad to see.
@@vadnegru luckily in this case he wasn't competing in the LAN tournaments, instead he was just playing mm. Otherwise, trust me, we would've reported him to the staff at DH and gotten him banned from there 😁
@@Wavpro it's kinda dumb to cheat on lan. Last time i was on lan there were no free places and some people there just watched movies/anime, full screen.
I played CS tournaments in 1999-2000 and I remember we had to install Punkbuster, witch was an 3thrd party anticheat. Cheating in 1.0 1.1. 1.3 and 1.5 was tiny compared to the cheating in 1.6.
Back in the days when i played cod4 many servers would have a shared ban list and if an admin saw anyone cheat they would be banned, first temporarily, and after a few strikes permanently, from all those servers at the same time. There were servers for noobs which would ban good players who just wanted to noobstomp, servers for good players who would just ban cheaters, and hvh servers for cheaters to play on who would ban legit players. This is still the best anti cheat system I have ever encountered. Sadly these days server browsers and 3rd party servers are pretty much dead and everyone just clicks the matchmaking button in the game, which means you need automated anti cheat instead of a few regulars on a server who do admin. And there will always be some hackerman who figures out a new way to bypass automated anti cheat.
@@TheSuperappelflap Man, i miss server for noobs. These days, competitive culture has been normed ingame and playing "Just for Fun, shits and giggles" is seen as wierd, if not straight up wrong. I really just want to play games for just for fun and never want to sweat.
I never played any CS game a day in my life, but watching the history of these games through these videos has been incredibly interesting. Awesome job my guy!
This was incredibly interesting, I'd love to see a HvH video too like others have said, I don't know much about it and it seems like it'd be very interesting. I also love your editing style, it looks great and I'm excited to see more! (Also thumbs up to that madlad that joined the channel with the name "I have a foot fetish", wasn't expecting that)
has a retired hvh player let me tell you, it's the most boring circlejerk you can participate in part of the magic of it just boils down to custom cheats, that are easily detectable but very agressive but after that, there's nothing exciting or new
@djungelskog2654 not wrong. I mainly still play to chill out and shoot the shit with people that I've been talking with for a while. Only interesting thing to happen now a days is when a new cheat or exploit comes out
It's fun to learn about the cheats and what they do and how they work but the community itself isn't worth a second to get into really, most popular hvh UA-camrs either stopped or just don't upload anymore
I actually spent about a year or two playing hvh from 2019-2021 and honestly it was the most toxic gameplay experience ive ever had. People were insanely egotistical and toxic and would ddos and dox people over really petty things. There were dozens of scandals and malicious things going on with malwares and cheat developers that made it super undesirable to be apart of. The core gameplay of hvh was super fun and intriguing but the community was horribly rotten
hackers vs hackers is cool but the kids who act like they dont wanna ruin the gameplay for others just wanna have fun cheating is total bs kids who cheat just cant keep up with the skill margin and i like the bully music brought me back to good ole days
1:38 My father worked at Erikson in Sweden, and when CS became popular they would always stay after work and take advantage of the company’s wifi and stuff to play CS locally and have fun. Must be a great time for them.
CSGO has so many anticheat measures: VAC, VACNet, Overwatch, Untrusted Bans, Prime and Trust Factor yet the game has to deal with cheaters in a constant basis. This will still happening because the Source engine is so old now that literally the most newbie alive can code a simple cheat and roll with it. Source 2 will cut down cheaters if Valve implement new things and new interesting measures, just like they did with VAC Live.
if they didnt turn off overwatch in september 2020 and fixed the working vac bypass that was made around same time and working till now, maybe it would look different. not talking about the fact that if you manage to get detected by the system somehow, you get red trust factor week-month before you get banned, and since this is the only way to get red trust it is basically valve saying "hey, you should sell/trade your skins and sell the account before it gets banned"
there are already known cheats for cs2 and it didn't take long of course they try to figure out new ways of implementing antiaim fakeduck desync double tap etc but the basics like aimbot and wallhacks are today possible and i wouldnt be surprised if other stuff is also possible. Also a new engine mean new problems and exploits so new never been seen kind of cheat will be possible in the future
CSGO cheaters are either meme lords who use cheats to handicap themselves (found one who made it so they couldn't turn right for some reason), then the generic ones who just get Vacced hopefully
We need more video like this to give more pressure to valve to do a better job in their VAC. Thanks for your effort bro, really good job and if possible, it would be a great to list out all the cheat that VAC unable to detect now
Doing a better job is complicated, since Valve doesn't want to do the treadmill thing. One idea is unironically lure hackers in and make them rats and inside people, pay them off by giving them their own servers etc. However, that's never gonna happen because it's more profitable to make players give up a blood sample so they can play without cheaters
I remember in good old days when i used to play cs 1.6 on a shittiest pc possible and walls would flicker and reveal enemies position, even got banned from some servers even though i didn't use any cheats
@@zelven6109 what are you talking about, valorant is trying but its not even close, whole kernel based anticheat is just massive mistake, only hope are ai anticheats that are able to ban based on playstyle and performance and then save cheater playstyle profile as well as all hardware information so its impossible to create new account without new pc and vpn, sure some will be able to bypass it but it will require money and knowledge beyond most cheater capabilities
@@zelven6109 They are not even close to be cheater free.... It already got kernel access and still isnt perfect.. If Valve would make vac also a kernel anticheat, I assume it would be far superior to valorants
music choice is on point. I hear those nostaligic tunes and my adhd brain was hyper focused of the vid, nice work man. Good stuff. (Little big planet and sonic cd AYOOO)
One change that came with csgo was the addition of official matchmaking so unlike plaing on community servers or doing manual matches there is no way to get whoever controls the server to ban a blatant cheater if valve doesn't - also one reason why many people play competitive on third party services (though not the only reason).
My friend were banned regularly in CSS servers. I actually also had a few false bans for aimbot and wallhack. I had A4tech X7 like office mouse and shot glock at the speed of the light. Some people got banned for anti recoil macros, but in some cases it's clear that it were just skill.
I'm surprised you didn't highlight the tracking data on recent vac bans issued. It has been trending downward for the last 6 months and has only been about 5-10 vac bans a day for over a month now. Pretty much all time lows. They clearly have shifted focus or something is seriously broken.
i can say that tf2's bot problem is soooo bad joining a casual game is a coin flip that you get a lobby with no bots or welcome to bot city population you'r dead
This is an ACTUAL good documentary type video, it actually has humor and isn't just a sunny v2 copy and paste that is extremely overedited and overdramatic.
If you are walking on the rings of Venus and your unicycle breaks down, what number should your bowtie be? Answer: elevator because penguins hate Christmas!
I used to be part of HvH scene in CSGO. Literally new and pretty much being a "nn" in the server. The scene is pretty much really, really toxic especially to new people or "nn /nonamer". But ,somehow i could met some guys that actually really nice to me and chill. Learn about how they prefer to do non prime because they pretty much thought that nonprime is HvH server made by valve themself and sometimes even HvH servers when they're bored or testing config , learn about cheat cracking scene (like onetap vs skeet saga) ,public vs private cheats, knowing where buying cheap hacked csgo and level 21 prime accounts, even buying expensive skin to "bypass" overwatchers. Leave because it suddenly getting bored to play. New guys started to being toxic and tryharding, "bignamers" in the server stopped playing, etc. Honestly it was pretty interesting experience where you can killing cheater with your own cheat and it alls comes down to your cheat configs and skill. Something that you couldn't get in any other games.
2:02 the reason for this is due to those texts being localized. The whole purpose of localized text is you have a common string, say VAC_ConnectionRefusedDetail, br.breencast_08, cstrike_sas_label. That message would be automatically "translated" to the language set on your game/pc. As another funfact, this existed up until very recently in steam. You could set your name to one of those localized strings and it would unroll into a large piece of text.
there is one very notorious person on steam who has multiple accounts and cheats in all of them (semi-rage btw), mainly in casual hostage mode, 4000+ hours and still not banned
2:06 We used to wallbang a lot in 1.6. Like the B tunnel in Dust 2 was buggy and everytime we went to B. We just blasted that wall. Man those LAN Parties with your buddies. Or even random people. 16 people in a room with their PC-s and just playing for hours. It was truly a different time.
Great video! As a player from the Latin American servers is very often to see many sort of cheaters just doing their thing and it's frustrating, especially knowing they are -most definitely- not getting banned, but hey, that's the way it goes, I guess. BTW, loved the "Little Big Planet" sound effects and songs, they really took my back to easier times! ❤
In CS source there were texture hacks that would just make all the textures on the map transparent, so if the server you were playing on allowed custom skins, these were completely undetectable by VAC and would only be picked up by server admins if they were blatant.
@@vadnegru Yeah I am sure it did not work for most servers. But apparently there were servers that didn't stop someone from using different textures. A mate of mine just mentioned it that it was usable on most combat surf servers and the more casual Dust 2 servers.
Man this brings me back. I was a freshman in college in 2001 and there was about 30 of us that all played on the campus LAN. I remember seeing and using the wall hacks and aim bots! I stopped really playing multiplayer games about twenty years ago so don’t worry lol
A big part of the cheating story in CS is the design of the game itself. Compared to Quake or HLDM there is a huge pressure put on precise aim and position knowledge. Plus there's the punishment phase of being out for the rest of the round, making it frustrating if you don't have a baseline of skill. There's just a higher skill ceiling over all too - to the inexperienced player, high level play looks like cheating. It all comes together to incentivize cheating much more than any game that came out prior.
naaa the game was fun between 2000-2010, cheaters were found in 1 of every 100 matches and most of them were running basic wallhack to avoid moderators kick them, also Day of defeat was not a mess, i remember be in the middle, and in top 1-5 in 10-20% of the matches, the game is designed to move you with point a-b bombing with 2-3 main pathways, and 6-5 sub pathways, with more cheaters in the game they know where are you moving, so the pathways broke and become killzones instead, i lived those time and avoid play CS since then, now to populate the game it become a gabbling machine with the skins.
I remember recently after they messed with the ranking system a little I started climbing fast, and after I hit lem its just hackers on hackers. Watching someone hit shots on me and globals with a scout like how I do in gold nova with no hacks is seared into my brain. It's soooo defeating to finally be able to climb just to realize most of the games at the top will just be hackers anyways. I was playing daily to rank up and after hitting le/lem, I don't even want to play anymore because I feel like it's just hackers in every lobby. The sad part is that it's the hackers who go out of their way to pretend like they're actually that good. Pretty depressing. Like some lf yall think mg is bad for hackers, just wait till you hit those high tier ranks where expensive hacks that hide it well come into play.
brilliantly made, you captured the whole thing pretty dead on, from the old cheating in 1.6 up to hvh in csgo. I agree that there should be a separate video on hvh entirely, there's quite a lot of things to cover actually. always love seeing goldec cover some cool topics like this, with some great editing
The HVH community kinda died down due to (from what im assuming) lack of free cheats being avaliable, and drama. Some big servers for HVH are pretty vacant now, and don't have as many people playing on them. Ive also been told that due to fake-angle Antiaim being patched and being replaced with desync antiaim, as well as doubletap-teleporting and Axing (anti exploiting with lag compensation) its just got boring
Not really... it died down because of fake angle anti-aim being patched then being replaced with desync based anti-aims and very annoying to play against exploits such as Doubletap etc
Calling someone a hacker is a compliment, because that actually takes skill to pull off. When you see people cheating in a videogame, there is a 99.99% chance that they didn't write any of the code that the cheating software was built with. For those of you who don't know, this is why people say "skid". Skid just means "script kiddie" aka someone who uses OTHER people's code to cheat. So next time you see a cheater, don't call them a hacker, because it's likely that they're not
HvH servers on 1.6 were so much fun. VAC disabled meant you could do whatever you want on your main, and the environment allowed you to play with hacks while not ruining legit players experience. It's the closest thing you'll ever find to ethical hacking in a video game.
One thing I never understood is if a business like Faceit can figure out how to pretty much remove 90% of the cheaters in matches, how has valve never figured it out or even so just copied what faceit did. Crazy to think the solution is already in place or do Valve make money of faceit somehow and want people to buy that service 🤔 Edit: Just wanted to say I'm really enjoying the content, please keep making videos like this :)
Reason why they didnt go Faceit route is because Faceit is using intrusive kernel level Anti Cheat like Valorant did. It would kill the Linux csgo community, and people just didnt like intrusive kernel anti cheat because privacy reasons
Funny to see that people think that the anti cheat on faceit is harder to bypass. So many cheats out there bypassing the anti cheat on faceit without any issues.
Counter strike 1.6 was so popular in my country for one of my birthdays i wanted to play it with my friends but my mom said "are you serious? No" and got sad but i ate cake, that shit was so good bro
I've been playing since the original cs version, it was so fun back in the day. Yeah hacking was horrible, it was fun being an admin on our clans server and was nice cause we could ban cheaters and an admin was always in the server. It was also nice having unlimited weapons and slapping people around who seemed to be cheating.
Csgo has a huge cheating problem. I remember having only 30 hours of playtime and encountering 5 hackers. They should get teamed up with riot to make a anti cheat.
there is also a very interesting thing where there are youtube tutorials for writing hacks via DLL injection and they actually go in detail on how it works. Very educational videos on writing DLL's and reading process memory.
Me a tf2 player hearing the caretaker play in the backround. You never escape cheaters they just get better as devs quit caring cuz they still make money even if its cheater playing
For everyone commenting about other games having cheating problems (you tf2 fans in particular) should realize that i’m not talking about current situations. I meant counter-strikes cheating problem goes way back and has “continued” to be a problem, as I said in the intro.
imagine having to re-iterate that you were talking about cs cheats when the video is titled "counter strike's cheating phenomenon"
@@RealJiren he didnt have to re state that he was talking about csgo in particular, he just said that csgo's cheating problem goes way back to 2000
roblox is by far the worst interms of cheating
tf2 has had a cheating problem for as long as csgo has if not longer. In new cs2 i hardly see cheaters, but in tf2 i still see at least one cheater in every casual queue.
@@jos-u4b tf2 is not as old as counter-strike
I remember talking to a few people in the HvH community back in 2018. Super chill guys, all pretty much telling me that they have no interest in ruining peoples fun with cheats, they rather ruin another cheaters fun by just cheating "better". But still, the fact that CSGO has a Hacker VS Hacker scene, or had, is just proof of how bad of a problem cheating in CS is.
this is what makes you guys literally insane because I've played for 10+ years and compete at the Global level. Yall are garbage WITH hacks. Guarantee you guys think I cheat because of my pure skill. Yes you guys ruin the game because you're psychotic and assume people who are genuinely good are cheating, just utter garbage. Dog water with hacks, you can play for 3 years and then download hacks and STILL SUCK. It takes 5+ years to get as good as us, who have 10+ years on our belts WITH NO HACKS. Get good kids. It takes YEARS.
Lies, HvH is the most toxic of the toxic
I hop into a HvH every few months (without cheats mind you, just to kill them and call them slurs) and they are all bottom of the barrel scum
Now a days theres still a bunch of us that are chill but a lot of us are gone and been replaced with kids and teens that try to be as toxic as possible
@@Bliss_Hop its always been kids and teens, when i was doing it from 2016-2018 most of us were 15-18, the older you get the less appealing the environment is. Its always been super toxic and egotistical
Im pretty sure you can disable vac on custom servers so thats how it works
"CS is full of cheaters"
TF2: we gotta pump those numbers up, those a rookie numbers
tf2 players love to remind us they exist. tf2 has around 65k player compared to 1.4m. why would valve care. they hardly care about counter-strike.
Gee. I wonder why the player counts have dropped so low. Cs has always been more popular because valve actually cared@@ByeBaybe
@@ByeBaybe nobody is even talking about that, mf just made a joke lol.
@@ByeBaybe 1. This is one of the most popular games on Steam, any dev would murder for such numbers. 2. If there were no cheaters, there would be more players. 3. TF2 makes absurd amounts of money from community crates etc. 4. If Valve wanted to, they could introduce battle royale in TF2 and turn it into fortnite. 5. Valve is not developing TF2 because it is not innovative project for them. That's all.
@@kvassinc drugs
The thing I hate most is how paranoid this whole situation has made everyone. So many factors get overlooked and just get lumped into "he's cheating." It's always satisfying to have a good round/match and be on the receiving end of a hackusation, not so much in reverse.
You can't trust anyone. I've never cheated but I was also accused for using hacks. I played professional in CS 1.6 and even then I was accused to have manipulated recoil.
But I've seen a lot of 100 % cheaters (+Overwatch was a mess, >90 % were tri-factors) and I know that there is a dark digit. People with skill and experience can hide some hacks very well.
I used to think it wasn't so bad, if the game wasn't very popular.
Recently, a dead game came out and said they banned ~130 players. The average player count is ~500.
Online pvp is dead. @@exoroxx
@@exoroxx That’s the most annoying shit, people are decent at the game but still feel the need to cheat because they can’t get any better
Your comment makes no sense. You claim you "hate" how paranoid everyone is but follow it up with its satisfying to be accused lmfao.
@@lolsamftw Getting accused of cheating happens most on office
Love the dude at 2:45 complaining that there are no old school players left... in 2001
"back in 1999 most people just wanted to have fun" wish we could turn back time
It all depends on what you find fun. I find it fun to play the game as competitively as possible.
wish i could be back 2000911
Wish we could turn back to 3000 BC, I miss hunting with Grank and Lorg 😔
@@Evandrusgay
to the good old days
Dude please never stop with the LBP sound effects and music. I genuinely love it and it brings me back ❤
You completely forgot VACnet which, being AI based, seams like a really important part of CS:GOs anticheat
and is also trash
You really trust vacnet. Come to reality my friend, cheaters have already bypassed it.
@@sirruffalot lmao, why so salty, butthurt?
It's also barely even doing much, VACnet. You'd think if it was AI whatever then you'd get a lot more bans.
@@sirruffalotpretty bad bait comment lmao
CS' cheating scene is wild. People seriously don't understand how many cheaters there are in the community. Any time I ask people they think 5% or less of players cheat. I'd venture to say it's more than 25%
Depends on the rank. When I was global in csgo, I estimate 80% of the people I played with were walling if i solo queued, and the the 9th guy was aimbotting. Then theres me playing legit and managing to keep my rank only because all the other players would constantly get banned and I would get my lost points back.
@@TheSuperappelflap You're absolutely right. I always wanted to know how many GE players were cheating. At always felt like LEM and above was a real crap shoot. By time I got together with my team I was bouncing between Supreme and Global and I could never hang on to global. I played CSS and 1.6 professionally but CSGO was a complete shift and i still swear that a lot of the pros are cheating and I wouldn't doubt if the orgs just let them because of how much money they were pulling in. Hell we found out one of our main riflers was cheating for at least half our scrims.
@@TacticalPlaytime oh yeah the pro stuff, i followed that since about 2015-2016 when flusha was doing his thing. Having played a bunch of shooters at like tier 6 competitively it was pretty obvious for me there was cheating going on at lans.
I remember seeing a video of shox calling flusha out in 2016 or so and a bit later he was doing the same shady things, aiming at heads through walls without info. And of course we know players like JW and simple have had cheating bans in the past.
Every once in a while valve would van some tier 2 players from Bulgaria but obviously didn't want to touch their main honey pot of tier 1 players with lots of fans buying stickers and coins for majors.
I think that valve, tournament organisers and team orgs mostly just operate on a basis of plausible deniability.
@@TacticalPlaytime i actually had an hltv account with the same name as this one, superappelflap, but the admins kept deleting my threads if I talked about it and eventually banned my account so I gave up on it. Most of the community didn't want to know, anyway.
I mean, the guy who got to #1 on Faceit was cheating for probably the entire time. Then finally he got banned. I wonder was it the constant running with knife out unless he had to peek, was kind of weird. Ignored many angles that were, of course, empty
Was at Dreamhack last month, and this kid a row in front of my squad was cheating his ass off with aimbot, wallhacks, util previews and skin changer, was really sad to see.
if anyone deserved doxxing it would have been that kid
Cheating is really raging in open qualifiers. And usually it's too late when organisers found out about it, sometimes only when players get the VAC.
@@vadnegru luckily in this case he wasn't competing in the LAN tournaments, instead he was just playing mm. Otherwise, trust me, we would've reported him to the staff at DH and gotten him banned from there 😁
@@Wavpro it's kinda dumb to cheat on lan. Last time i was on lan there were no free places and some people there just watched movies/anime, full screen.
@@themostfowlnah i think a ban is enough doxxing is just too far
I played CS tournaments in 1999-2000 and I remember we had to install Punkbuster, witch was an 3thrd party anticheat. Cheating in 1.0 1.1. 1.3 and 1.5 was tiny compared to the cheating in 1.6.
Was looking for this comment, thanks! I also had Punkbuster because it was needed to join a few servers
3thrd? The threthrd?
That damn application is near impossible to remove from your PC :(
Back in the days when i played cod4 many servers would have a shared ban list and if an admin saw anyone cheat they would be banned, first temporarily, and after a few strikes permanently, from all those servers at the same time.
There were servers for noobs which would ban good players who just wanted to noobstomp, servers for good players who would just ban cheaters, and hvh servers for cheaters to play on who would ban legit players.
This is still the best anti cheat system I have ever encountered.
Sadly these days server browsers and 3rd party servers are pretty much dead and everyone just clicks the matchmaking button in the game, which means you need automated anti cheat instead of a few regulars on a server who do admin. And there will always be some hackerman who figures out a new way to bypass automated anti cheat.
@@TheSuperappelflap Man, i miss server for noobs. These days, competitive culture has been normed ingame and playing "Just for Fun, shits and giggles" is seen as wierd, if not straight up wrong.
I really just want to play games for just for fun and never want to sweat.
I never played any CS game a day in my life, but watching the history of these games through these videos has been incredibly interesting. Awesome job my guy!
for god's sake, don't waste your time playing cs, is fucking hell
This was incredibly interesting, I'd love to see a HvH video too like others have said, I don't know much about it and it seems like it'd be very interesting. I also love your editing style, it looks great and I'm excited to see more! (Also thumbs up to that madlad that joined the channel with the name "I have a foot fetish", wasn't expecting that)
lol do you not know how to search in the youtube bar? Literally search Brainless HvH cs:go matches and wallah, lol no wonder kids cheat....
has a retired hvh player
let me tell you, it's the most boring circlejerk you can participate in
part of the magic of it just boils down to custom cheats, that are easily detectable but very agressive
but after that, there's nothing exciting or new
@djungelskog2654 not wrong. I mainly still play to chill out and shoot the shit with people that I've been talking with for a while. Only interesting thing to happen now a days is when a new cheat or exploit comes out
if you think csgo is toxic, oh boy let me tell you about hvh.
It's fun to learn about the cheats and what they do and how they work but the community itself isn't worth a second to get into really, most popular hvh UA-camrs either stopped or just don't upload anymore
The less sweaty nature and not having to deal with as many cheaters made the 2000s and early 2010s gaming a lot of fun despite being more limited.
What? Early 2000s had EXACTLY the same problem...
The difference is back then there was waaay less ppl playing than nowadays...
Meanwhile TF2
I actually spent about a year or two playing hvh from 2019-2021 and honestly it was the most toxic gameplay experience ive ever had. People were insanely egotistical and toxic and would ddos and dox people over really petty things. There were dozens of scandals and malicious things going on with malwares and cheat developers that made it super undesirable to be apart of. The core gameplay of hvh was super fun and intriguing but the community was horribly rotten
hackers vs hackers is cool but the kids who act like they dont wanna ruin the gameplay for others just wanna have fun cheating is total bs kids who cheat just cant keep up with the skill margin and i like the bully music brought me back to good ole days
1:38 My father worked at Erikson in Sweden, and when CS became popular they would always stay after work and take advantage of the company’s wifi and stuff to play CS locally and have fun. Must be a great time for them.
I love silly kitties
Lil goblin
this is defenitely a youtube video
thank you for confirming
Yes.
Or is it?
hi how did u kno this??
there have been a lot of youtube videos, and this is one of them
CSGO has so many anticheat measures: VAC, VACNet, Overwatch, Untrusted Bans, Prime and Trust Factor yet the game has to deal with cheaters in a constant basis.
This will still happening because the Source engine is so old now that literally the most newbie alive can code a simple cheat and roll with it.
Source 2 will cut down cheaters if Valve implement new things and new interesting measures, just like they did with VAC Live.
if they didnt turn off overwatch in september 2020 and fixed the working vac bypass that was made around same time and working till now, maybe it would look different. not talking about the fact that if you manage to get detected by the system somehow, you get red trust factor week-month before you get banned, and since this is the only way to get red trust it is basically valve saying "hey, you should sell/trade your skins and sell the account before it gets banned"
honestly would be better if they just installed a rootkit like balorant but who knows maybe that may also get bypassed some time in the future
@@negimox
Valorant cheats alredy got bypassed quickly... This is why rootkits are pointless...
there are already known cheats for cs2 and it didn't take long of course they try to figure out new ways of implementing antiaim fakeduck desync double tap etc but the basics like aimbot and wallhacks are today possible and i wouldnt be surprised if other stuff is also possible. Also a new engine mean new problems and exploits so new never been seen kind of cheat will be possible in the future
@@negimoxabsolutely not, rootkit AC will be a reason why i would not play a game.
CSGO cheaters are either meme lords who use cheats to handicap themselves (found one who made it so they couldn't turn right for some reason), then the generic ones who just get Vacced hopefully
the quality of these videos is something cs content has needed for awhile
Man this video is banging, the editing and all, keep it up man
you deserve so much more subs, the effort put into these videos and top tier topics is elite!
pringlemuncher?!?!?! the muncher of crim
TRUE
pringlemuncher spotted
We need more video like this to give more pressure to valve to do a better job in their VAC. Thanks for your effort bro, really good job and if possible, it would be a great to list out all the cheat that VAC unable to detect now
Doing a better job is complicated, since Valve doesn't want to do the treadmill thing. One idea is unironically lure hackers in and make them rats and inside people, pay them off by giving them their own servers etc. However, that's never gonna happen because it's more profitable to make players give up a blood sample so they can play without cheaters
I used to do like sportscaster shit to entertain my buddies on HvH servers.
I vividly remember "Bobby Shmurda downfield with the AWP! he's dead.'
I remember in good old days when i used to play cs 1.6 on a shittiest pc possible and walls would flicker and reveal enemies position, even got banned from some servers even though i didn't use any cheats
the power of a shitty pc
Whenever I lose, the other team is cheating. Whenever I win, my teammates who were “spin botting” are actually just good at 360 no scopes.
Imagine a company release a massive online player FPS or action game with a way to entirely block hackers that would be the game of a generation.
games like valorant is close to achieving that, but it comes at a cost.
@@zelven6109you can literally scroll on tiktok lives for 20 mins and find someone streaming cheating in valorant and selling the cheats
as long as there’s interest, there will always be cheaters, let’s just hope our favorite games manage to make them a minority of the player base
@@zelven6109 what are you talking about, valorant is trying but its not even close, whole kernel based anticheat is just massive mistake, only hope are ai anticheats that are able to ban based on playstyle and performance and then save cheater playstyle profile as well as all hardware information so its impossible to create new account without new pc and vpn, sure some will be able to bypass it but it will require money and knowledge beyond most cheater capabilities
@@zelven6109 They are not even close to be cheater free.... It already got kernel access and still isnt perfect.. If Valve would make vac also a kernel anticheat, I assume it would be far superior to valorants
music choice is on point. I hear those nostaligic tunes and my adhd brain was hyper focused of the vid, nice work man. Good stuff. (Little big planet and sonic cd AYOOO)
The Little Big Planet various sounds effect and musics are a pretty good touch. Keep up the good work ! :)
One change that came with csgo was the addition of official matchmaking so unlike plaing on community servers or doing manual matches there is no way to get whoever controls the server to ban a blatant cheater if valve doesn't - also one reason why many people play competitive on third party services (though not the only reason).
My friend were banned regularly in CSS servers. I actually also had a few false bans for aimbot and wallhack. I had A4tech X7 like office mouse and shot glock at the speed of the light. Some people got banned for anti recoil macros, but in some cases it's clear that it were just skill.
@@vadnegru yup, the risk was ofc overzelous admins
tbh i met more cheaters on faceit than on mm, because you can play faceit without buying csgo
I'm surprised you didn't highlight the tracking data on recent vac bans issued. It has been trending downward for the last 6 months and has only been about 5-10 vac bans a day for over a month now. Pretty much all time lows. They clearly have shifted focus or something is seriously broken.
Only vac bans though? Bans from trust factordont count as a vac thry count as a game ban
they turned on the real VAC
Valve
Allows
Cheats
I would lean towards something is seriously broken. Most games I play in have obvious cheaters.
i can say that tf2's bot problem is soooo bad joining a casual game is a coin flip that you get a lobby with no bots or welcome to bot city population you'r dead
crazy how cool the little cats are and how they make the video better
This is an ACTUAL good documentary type video, it actually has humor and isn't just a sunny v2 copy and paste that is extremely overedited and overdramatic.
"Hopefully CS2 will make it harder for cheaters and hackers to exist"
who's gonna tell him
If you are walking on the rings of Venus and your unicycle breaks down, what number should your bowtie be? Answer: elevator because penguins hate Christmas!
0:12 Ain't that sound from LBP?
Absolutely littered with LBP SFX and OST, made my day.
I used to be part of HvH scene in CSGO. Literally new and pretty much being a "nn" in the server. The scene is pretty much really, really toxic especially to new people or "nn /nonamer".
But ,somehow i could met some guys that actually really nice to me and chill. Learn about how they prefer to do non prime because they pretty much thought that nonprime is HvH server made by valve themself and sometimes even HvH servers when they're bored or testing config , learn about cheat cracking scene (like onetap vs skeet saga) ,public vs private cheats, knowing where buying cheap hacked csgo and level 21 prime accounts, even buying expensive skin to "bypass" overwatchers.
Leave because it suddenly getting bored to play. New guys started to being toxic and tryharding, "bignamers" in the server stopped playing, etc.
Honestly it was pretty interesting experience where you can killing cheater with your own cheat and it alls comes down to your cheat configs and skill. Something that you couldn't get in any other games.
Another banger of a video. Editing is on point. Looking forward to the next
2:02 the reason for this is due to those texts being localized. The whole purpose of localized text is you have a common string, say VAC_ConnectionRefusedDetail, br.breencast_08, cstrike_sas_label. That message would be automatically "translated" to the language set on your game/pc. As another funfact, this existed up until very recently in steam. You could set your name to one of those localized strings and it would unroll into a large piece of text.
ive been playing and watching csgo vids for 10+ years and easily you have become my favorite keep up the amazing stuff
there is one very notorious person on steam who has multiple accounts and cheats in all of them (semi-rage btw), mainly in casual hostage mode, 4000+ hours and still not banned
PLEASE make a video on the history of HvH, it would be really cool
hes not deep enough in to the comm. I highly doubt he would with how rich and deep the history goes.
@somealtusername1331 with some help he could do some good but he will miss a few things. It's hard to cover everything
Isn't everyone in hvh insane
@@mlalbaiteronah it’s nothing but ego n circle jerking ones codin
@mlalbaitero not really but majority of the community are a bunch of edge lord teens that care waaaaaayyyy too much about hvh
2:06 We used to wallbang a lot in 1.6. Like the B tunnel in Dust 2 was buggy and everytime we went to B. We just blasted that wall. Man those LAN Parties with your buddies. Or even random people. 16 people in a room with their PC-s and just playing for hours. It was truly a different time.
Tf2: are you a joke to me?
All the LittleBigPlanet sound effects and music put a big goofy smile on my face, thank you :)
Great video! As a player from the Latin American servers is very often to see many sort of cheaters just doing their thing and it's frustrating, especially knowing they are -most definitely- not getting banned, but hey, that's the way it goes, I guess.
BTW, loved the "Little Big Planet" sound effects and songs, they really took my back to easier times! ❤
Brazil o Argentina?
babe wake up, new goldec video
In CS source there were texture hacks that would just make all the textures on the map transparent, so if the server you were playing on allowed custom skins, these were completely undetectable by VAC and would only be picked up by server admins if they were blatant.
For competitive play you had to use compressed version with UCP(Ultra Core Protector), 8.1 was the latest i played with.
@@vadnegru Yeah I am sure it did not work for most servers. But apparently there were servers that didn't stop someone from using different textures. A mate of mine just mentioned it that it was usable on most combat surf servers and the more casual Dust 2 servers.
@@TanToRza i remember CW/MIX servers that doesn`t allow to go without UCP, good old Clan Wars days..
The urge of making a throwaway steam account just to cheat when CSGO became free is pretty hard to beat for 15 yo me.
Don’t do it bro
Fire vids as always ! The editing on the cats always makes me smile
Another Goldec banger. LBP music and sound effects hit everytime.
Man this brings me back. I was a freshman in college in 2001 and there was about 30 of us that all played on the campus LAN. I remember seeing and using the wall hacks and aim bots! I stopped really playing multiplayer games about twenty years ago so don’t worry lol
Dude, ur really underrated. Your video quality is awesome. Keep it up
Its seems valve dont fucking care about anti cheat, bots everywhere, 1 awp mf sniping you thru smoke
A big part of the cheating story in CS is the design of the game itself. Compared to Quake or HLDM there is a huge pressure put on precise aim and position knowledge. Plus there's the punishment phase of being out for the rest of the round, making it frustrating if you don't have a baseline of skill. There's just a higher skill ceiling over all too - to the inexperienced player, high level play looks like cheating. It all comes together to incentivize cheating much more than any game that came out prior.
naaa the game was fun between 2000-2010, cheaters were found in 1 of every 100 matches and most of them were running basic wallhack to avoid moderators kick them, also Day of defeat was not a mess, i remember be in the middle, and in top 1-5 in 10-20% of the matches, the game is designed to move you with point a-b bombing with 2-3 main pathways, and 6-5 sub pathways, with more cheaters in the game they know where are you moving, so the pathways broke and become killzones instead, i lived those time and avoid play CS since then, now to populate the game it become a gabbling machine with the skins.
I remember recently after they messed with the ranking system a little I started climbing fast, and after I hit lem its just hackers on hackers. Watching someone hit shots on me and globals with a scout like how I do in gold nova with no hacks is seared into my brain. It's soooo defeating to finally be able to climb just to realize most of the games at the top will just be hackers anyways.
I was playing daily to rank up and after hitting le/lem, I don't even want to play anymore because I feel like it's just hackers in every lobby. The sad part is that it's the hackers who go out of their way to pretend like they're actually that good. Pretty depressing.
Like some lf yall think mg is bad for hackers, just wait till you hit those high tier ranks where expensive hacks that hide it well come into play.
No way, a fantastic, informative, and well edited video that ALSO uses sound effects and music from my childhood game series?? Instant sub
brilliantly made, you captured the whole thing pretty dead on, from the old cheating in 1.6 up to hvh in csgo. I agree that there should be a separate video on hvh entirely, there's quite a lot of things to cover actually. always love seeing goldec cover some cool topics like this, with some great editing
The HVH community kinda died down due to (from what im assuming) lack of free cheats being avaliable, and drama. Some big servers for HVH are pretty vacant now, and don't have as many people playing on them.
Ive also been told that due to fake-angle Antiaim being patched and being replaced with desync antiaim, as well as doubletap-teleporting and Axing (anti exploiting with lag compensation) its just got boring
Not really... it died down because of fake angle anti-aim being patched then being replaced with desync based anti-aims and very annoying to play against exploits such as Doubletap etc
@@wtfkayo thats true yeah, ill update my comment
The old little big planet sounds and music absolutely slaps
Too good of a video to be true! Good job man! Keep working as hard as ever
Calling someone a hacker is a compliment, because that actually takes skill to pull off. When you see people cheating in a videogame, there is a 99.99% chance that they didn't write any of the code that the cheating software was built with. For those of you who don't know, this is why people say "skid". Skid just means "script kiddie" aka someone who uses OTHER people's code to cheat. So next time you see a cheater, don't call them a hacker, because it's likely that they're not
this channel is awsome , too bad it dosent get the recognition it deserves
he has almost 50k subs
Absolutely laying the nostalgia on me not with the cs history but with the littlebigplanet soundtrack and sound effects. big fan
You should try looking into earlier games like Delta-Force, Quake & RainbowSix if you want to dig into the cheating scene earlier.
I really like your style, that quirky little style of editing your characters.
Glad YT sent me here, nice. Subbed.
silly cats are the best
I was in high school when CS 1.3 came out. This was a trip down memory lane.
0:07 Team Fortress 2 be like 👁👄👁
The lbp songs fit SO GOOD and the edit is really good Nice video brozeur
Very cool video. Love editing style. Keep making videos. Liam loves them.
HvH servers on 1.6 were so much fun. VAC disabled meant you could do whatever you want on your main, and the environment allowed you to play with hacks while not ruining legit players experience. It's the closest thing you'll ever find to ethical hacking in a video game.
One thing I never understood is if a business like Faceit can figure out how to pretty much remove 90% of the cheaters in matches, how has valve never figured it out or even so just copied what faceit did. Crazy to think the solution is already in place or do Valve make money of faceit somehow and want people to buy that service 🤔
Edit: Just wanted to say I'm really enjoying the content, please keep making videos like this :)
As far as I understand it, Valve deliberately didn't want to go the Faceit (or the Valorant) route and employ an intrusive anti-cheat
Reason why they didnt go Faceit route is because Faceit is using intrusive kernel level Anti Cheat like Valorant did. It would kill the Linux csgo community, and people just didnt like intrusive kernel anti cheat because privacy reasons
Funny to see that people think that the anti cheat on faceit is harder to bypass. So many cheats out there bypassing the anti cheat on faceit without any issues.
@@monarchyyyy Well it works for Valo and linux users are a very small amount of people in comparison to Windows
@@bondv7 Ye that didnt happen tho, cheating issue is huge
Babe wake up, new Goldec video just dropped
goldec did you play little big planet cause hearing the noises and songs bring back nostalgia
LBP was my childhood
"The worst cheating problem and yes it's counter strike"
TF2 with thousands of bots flooding servers:
the quality of vids you made, man im a fan
The editing on this video is so good. Be sure not to burn yourself out lol
Another Goldec video! you're videos are the greatest keep it up man
“Try not to be obvious okay”
“WAIT FOR THE CAMERA”
probably the only time ill actually watch patreon members
hacker vs hacker sounds like it'd be fun to watch ngl
Good stuff man Keep it up!!
my goat got sponsored im so proud of u its always been my childhood dream
You should make a video on movement cheating and the community, I think it will be interesting.
It’s really nice to see a progress bar on the sponsorship segment I wish I saw this more
Tf2 would like a word sir
Counter strike 1.6 was so popular in my country for one of my birthdays i wanted to play it with my friends but my mom said "are you serious? No" and got sad but i ate cake, that shit was so good bro
I've been playing since the original cs version, it was so fun back in the day. Yeah hacking was horrible, it was fun being an admin on our clans server and was nice cause we could ban cheaters and an admin was always in the server. It was also nice having unlimited weapons and slapping people around who seemed to be cheating.
Kudos to the little big planet soundtrack and sound fx. It's giving me intense nostalgia
Csgo has a huge cheating problem. I remember having only 30 hours of playtime and encountering 5 hackers. They should get teamed up with riot to make a anti cheat.
there is also a very interesting thing where there are youtube tutorials for writing hacks via DLL injection and they actually go in detail on how it works. Very educational videos on writing DLL's and reading process memory.
PLEASE make a video on hvh and the exploits it brings
I unironicly love the editing.
cs:go's cheating problem will never go away, valve doesn't care anymore :(
Me a tf2 player hearing the caretaker play in the backround. You never escape cheaters they just get better as devs quit caring cuz they still make money even if its cheater playing