@Alex Pokrandt but that’s counting minor gods. The Olympians has Athena and Ares, but the rest were mostly children of Ares, as well as being all minor gods. The Norse had 3-5 MAJOR war gods.
@Alex Pokrandt Hera is more of a goddess of ruling and power than a war goddess, but thanks for telling me the Greeks didn’t distinguish between major and minor gods. What I do know is that most of the smaller gods were specific aspects of war lik Phobos and Deimos, as well as Nike.
In the myth of Baldur's death, Hel agrees to let Baldur live again if everyone alive wishes for him to come back life. Everyone wishes for this, but the only one who refuses is a disguised Loki. So with Loki dead in Ragnorak, that means everything that survived had previously wished for Baldur's return. So Hel releases Baldur as promised. That is my theory, since its never stated.
After Ragnarok Baldur will survive and rule the new world. It is not a theory, Baldur will be OK, but it won't happen in that way. Also Hel said that every living thing, alive AND dead, soo.... Yeah
Fun fact, there's a town in Manitoba, Canada called Gimli. And in the Eddas, Gimli is the name of the golden hall where the gods will live after Ragnarok. Basically what I'm saying is that I want a book or a tv series where Ragnarok happened 100 years ago and all the surviving gods have been living in this rinky-dink Canadian town ever since
Ozapy between each other they talk like Vikings, but they try to sound canadian when they're talking to mortals. They mostly sound like they're doing a bad impression of Bob and Doug McKenzie
I'm not sure the Edda are a good reference, in the prologue it says that Thor's dad is memnon from Troy, you know, Achilles black aethiopan friend... But we all know Thor isn't mixed race!
End of the world in other religions: "On no boo hoo were all gonna die." End of the world for Vikings: "I SHALL ARRIVE AT THE GATES OF VALHALLA SHINY AND CHROME! *WITNESS ME!!!!!"*
@animeizzy_ ninetails Hel was actually involved, but not in setting her family free, it was the massive earthquakes during Ragnarök that broke all the chains and bonds! Though not physically in the war, she sent all the souls that went to her instead of Valhalla (because they died 'shamefull' deaths) to fight in Ragnarök for Loki aboard the ship Nagelfar! (it's made of the nails of the dead-) I hope this has been of any help to you :))
I'm surprised you never mentioned how Vidarr fights with a giant boot, which is made from the scraps of all the discarded boots in the world. This apocalypse has been brought to you by Nike's new Air Fjørdans; Durable, Comfortable, Deadly!
@Aibori KJ if you really want to know watch the Crash Course Mythology on it. its way better than Red's summary. Because its the tons of earthquakes that breaks out Loki and HE leads the charge.
1:59 that drawing goes hard, Odin knowing he's going to die here and picking up Mimir's head and asking for one final way to get out of this prophecy but Mimir already knows.
Unfortunately it’s not the steps that kill him, it’s the poison, which would have killed a lesser soul instantly. Thor makes it through the whole battle and 9 steps afterwards (one step for each Realm) because he’s JUST THAT BADASS.
Ah that's cool. Sorry to bother you, the coloring reminded me of someone else and I needed the confirmation that it was a coincidence in order to retain my sanity.
Except that Ragnarök is _not_ the end of the world, or the Nine Worlds, but the Twilight of the Gods and the end of Asgard. After the big battle of Norse Gods + Einherier (the dead heroes) vs Hel, Surtur and other assorted giants, the giant wolf Fenris and his two sons (who swallow the sun and the moon), and the Midgard Serpent, Middle Earth is still there. After the Filmbulwinter ends, two humans come out of the woods or caves where they've been hiding and start anew (although in the prose Edda I read as a child, the couple that survived are brother and sister, so... um, yeah, have fun procreating!).
CrunchyFrog they’ll be fine when it comes to reproducing,not so much actual quality of existence for 2 generations until it becomes physically incapable due to too little genetic diversity but I guess norse gods don’t exactly read up on genetics on account of not needing to,being gods and all
Well even early norse understood to a degree the dangers of incest and it is commonly believed in Norse Heathen circles that the two humans surviving is an Alagorical prophecy for dramatic effect more or less and that likely (and actually according to some translations of the Ragnarok Myths) two clans consisting of about 7 or 8 families a piece.
There are different aspects of war that they represent. Thor is war for the common soldier; he is the patron to the warrior and the farmer. Odin is war for the monarch and the strategist and the bandit; he is the patron to rulers and outcasts and is the god of wisdom and magic. Tyr is honorable war in which both sides don't cheat, though he's more of a god of single combat and justice, so he'd also be war for revenge/justice. Freja is war for the non-combatant and the militia, as far as I can tell. I can't remember who the fifth war-god is.
Murdo Maclachlan tell me does the Aztec mythology have a myth about its trickster god seducing a horse to save the world? No? Then don’t pretend it’s more badass!
Whenever I listen to this, at the part where Red talks about the Egyptians praying against Apophis I imagine a small toddler just learning about this part of their religion. I can just see some child waving innocently saying "bye bye" to Ra's barque and praying that the "big bad snake doesn't eat you." It's very cute and very innocent.
1:17 Theoden: "... Shields shall be splintered! A Sword day, a red day!" Aragorn: "An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day!" mmmmz wasnt beowulf enough there Tolkien? ;)
Tolkien did very much attempt to essentially write the next epic, in the literary genre sense. IMO he did a pretty damn good job, especially parts of the Silmarillion which is much more directly inspired by Old English folkloric styles of writing and has a lot less of a continuous narrative.
It gets more Tolkien-esque if you include the entire stanza of the poem, at least from the version I have. Brothers shall kill brothers, and be each other's killers, kin shall wage war against each other. It shall be hard to live on the earth in an age of faithlessness - in an axe age, a sword age, a storm age, a wolf age; shields shall be cloven. When the earth sinks into the sea, there shall be no man who is faithful to another.
The world of Middle Earth was undoubtedly inspired partly by Norse mythology. From having a sort of pantheon of "gods", to the idea of Ragnarok being integrated through Dagor Dagorath (or the end of the world) and it's rebirth, to the use of creatures from Norse myth like Dwarves and so on.
So Ragnarok is the time when all bonds break. That doesn't mean relationships; it refers to the literal bonds holding various doomsday monsters back. In one climactic moment, Jormungandr, Fenrir, and Loki are freed. Because Jormungandr is freed, it looses the nagalfr as well. And Yggdrasil starts to shake because of Nidhoggr, the Norse World-eating-dragon; it literally spent eternity gnawing at the roots of the world tree, until Ragnarok when... well, yeah. And because the World Tree is dying, Hrym and Surtr basically say 'fuck it.' Or to put it simply: Ragnarok happens because a dragon roughly the size of midgard has finished snacking on the tree holding everything up, and everyone realizes that it's their last chance to get a really good scrum in.
@@TheMrChipmyster Different context, maybe. It's pretty literal this time around. So less 'Everyone deciding they all hate eachother' and more 'All the different apocalyptic super monsters breaking their seals and coming out for lunch.'
@@voivodadracula1936 All things considered, it could be. The problem is simple: no scale is ever given for Yggdrasil except for 'encompasses the 9 realms within it's branches'. Nidhoggr also has no given scale, beyond 'big enough to lie beneath the world tree and eat it's roots.' Midgard -also- has no real defined scale, either. IIRC. At least, aside from 'smaller than Yggdrasil.' Fun thing about mythological scales of size tend to be hyperbole at best, so... Nidhoggr may have been as big as the world tree itself, or as small as a mouse (which would explain the time it took.)
The wolf eating the sun and moon thing can be explained like this: there are two wolves that chase the sun and the moon respectively. When they catch up to the moon and sun, they eat them and ragnarok stuff happens
I know this is an old video but Joanne Harris' book series Runemarks is actually set in a world after Ragnarok. It's amazing and began my love of norse mythology (She's also written two prequel books which are the events leading up to and immediately following ragnarok from Loki's perspective)
There is also Jack Kirby's New Gods, where the entire premise is that various gods and mythological creatures clashed in a ragnarock-esque cosmic battle and wiped each other out, and the planets of Apokalips and New Genesis, as well as the inhabitants of those planets, arose from the aftermath of that event. I have even heard that Jack Kirby originally envisioned the New Gods as a "endpoint" for the Mighty Thor comics back when he worked for Marvel.
Chugiakjr The Playwwright the new gods comics are actually apart of DC now, which as cool to see that DC has embraced the cosmic side of their universe more than they used to!
I met a Norwegian a couple of months ago named Trym and he was an actual descendant of a Viking King of Norway back in the Middle Ages (he told me the name but I can’t even remember it). It was like meeting a Greek named Zeus who’s also a descendant of Leonidas of Sparta. His background was hardcore and metal as fuck but he was super chill, hated sports, studied anthropology and loved cats so his contradicting existence was very fascinating to me. Anyway meeting him and listening to his stories is what brought me here. Very interesting stuff.
Being norwegian myself I am going to guess that his name was actually Trym and not Thrym. Also, almost the entirety of scandinavia is probably related to every norwegian king in some way or another due to how genetics work out over a long ass time.
And that's not counting regional deities and variations, mystery cults, and aspects/gods of violence. Overall, there were probably more than 5 norse war gods and more than 2 greek/roman/greco-roman war gods.
I am Swedish and I had an epiphany today: Ragnarok means "Twilight of the Gods", and in Sweden we have the phrase "Gudars Skymning!" It means "Twilight of Gods", and is used in exasperation or shock over something. Could it be possible that this phrase is a thousand-year-old reference to Ragnarök? I don't know, but I thought it was cool to think about!
There's an interesting undercurrent in Norse belief, regarding prophecy. See, the Norse were of the belief that the future was unavoidable. And when you got glimpses of things to come, it solidified those prophecies until the future glimpsed was set in stone. There was no "predicting the future in order to change it". As such, Odin - the god most interested in things to come - was rather reluctant to employ prophecy and futuresight, most of all when it came to Ragnarok. Because the more Odin looked at the future, the more it revealed about Ragnarok, and thus the worse that final battle would become. So it makes perfect sense to me why the Eddas were fragmentary in their predictions. Not only could Odin not get a good picture of future events, he didn't _want to_ , lest he sacrifice the few bits of wiggle room uncertainty gave them. If the Aesir were to "win" - for a given value of winning - they needed as much of that uncertainty as possible, so they had space to work _around_ the bad stuff they knew was going to happen. In essence, Odin was fighting a recon war against Schrodinger's Future, doing cost-benefit analysis between learning valuable intel, and not screwing his side over by fixing bad occurrences in.
The way I understood it, Odin deliberately created chaos to delay Ragnarok long enough so that enough great warriors can die an honorable warrior's death so his army would be powerful enough to prevent the absolute destruction of the world, meaning that the only reason there might be a chance of something surviving is because he messed around with the order of the universe so much. One of Odin's fables is that he sacrificed one of his eyes to know something. My guess is this particular insight/strategy was the reward for his sacrifice.
This is actually a very popular theory in Heathen circles including one that I as a practicing Norse Pagan hold to myself is that Odin believes that there is a chance to change the outcome of Ragnarok by not knowing every single thing about it and hence why he continues to gather great warriors for him and Freya to fill his ranks. As for Folkvangr there are 2 pervading theories that I am aware of. 1 is obviously as Red here says that she joins the battle of Ragnarokr with her ship full of fallen warriors. The other is that she holds onto them for after Ragnarokr to help rebuild and re-establish humanity. The "only two humans" surviving is generally accepted as metaphor simply for very few since it is presumed the Gods understand just as we humans do that 2 people is not enough people to create a diverse enough genetic pool for the entirety of humanity not to have.....issues lets just say issues, that come from not having a diverse enough genetic pool.
I think one of them is explicitly named as the son of Fenris, the other one is kinda just there and its not 100% clear if one eats the sun and the other the moon or if they are both chasing the sun.
Conspiracy theory: We're post Ragnarok. Also Freyja confirmed survives with her realm. She doesn't just get the valorous non combat deaths, she gets all of those, but she gets half the chosen slain. It's also implied she gets the pick of the litter, which makes sense, the Valkyries work for her, making her a love goddess, goddess of the home, goddess of war AND a death goddess. And the Christians had the gall to make her into a consort or less. Bah I say! Bah!
@Hetahetalia what I see with a lot of the NeoPagans/Wiccans is they grab the Sorla Pattr and other nonsense written by Christian monks (who totally wouldn't want to undermine or degrade the Nordic deities after the Northern Crusades, noooooo.) and propegate those blatant lies to justify their own... well. Behavior that wouldn't earn you a place in the Folkvangr let's say.
I know like to think that all four of them (Loki, Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel) were looking forward to this day to get vengeance on those who imprisoned them (and Loki being a huge protective mother bear to his kids).
The waves of flames that I've unleashed will eat us all alive The rage that burns within my heart Is uncontrolled and wild And now everything shall die! Massive waves consume us all, the ocean is released Our dying world quakes underneath And sinks into the sea And now nothing will survive! Extinction waits for everyone For gods and men alike When all are gone of the old world A new one will arise
The method which Vijarr uses to kill Fenrir that I read of is actually sort of brutal. He does indeed jump into Fenrir's mouth, then grips both jaws and snaps them outward. Also heard a version of Thor's death where he dies by drowning in Jormungaand's blood after he slays him.
Technically Ragnarok might have already happened, since the world of man doesn't really differ all that much before and after. We might be living in a post-ragnarok world
some theorise that Ragnarok was a cyclical event as after the world calms down Baldur and another god who i can't remember find a game board with the pieces of the game being figures from the start of creation and Baldur moves a pieces creating a new world and the cycle begins anew
Technically, no. There is absolutely no clearly stated evidence for this in Old Norse literature and has not even once been mentioned in Old Norse texts. It is a completely modern assumption. This doesn’t mean that it’s impossible that it might have been cyclical, there’s just not enough evidence for it, which means you don’t get to use the “technically...” line.
How is "technically" a wrong word to use in this sentence? It's a technical possibility even if it's unlikely. Also you don't have to be rude about it :/
TheWildmanden Sorry, I do apologize for my rudeness. I was coming off as a bit of snob and no-one likes a snob. But technically, “technically” means: according to the facts and exact meaning of something, strictly. Since your theory doesn’t really fill that requirement, the use of the adverb, “technically” is not applicable in this situation. Again, sorry for sounding like an elitist jerk, that was a stupid move on my part.
Interestingly in one interpretation of ragnorok there are only supposed to be two humans left and one god after the battle. Who just so happens to be a the god that everybody loved and who also died and came back to life. So if your a Christian it’s totally ok to believe that the Norse gods did exist and that it’s all just a Uber badass prequel to Christianity. But of course this depends on the interpretation of the myth.
Makes even more sense since apparently the sun and the stars disappeared due to Ragnarok. So even god saying "let there be light" would still be compatible with the existence of the Norse Gods and Ragnarok.
You kind of get that when the sun goes on vacation for half a year at a time. Especially if you live on Iceland where the sky fills with fire and brimstone every now and then.
Well, it's more anti-nihilism. "Yeah, I know this world is eventually doomed and so am I but that's no reason to not drink, fight, be merry and dispense wisdom and life lessons to all those mortals in Midgard!" Also Odin is kinda the original 'Santa Claus'. Literally. So, definitely anti-nihilist.
In the version i know, it's not Fenris who eats the sun and moon, but it's his children, Sköll and Hati (sometimes called Skoll and Hate (Hati is also sometimes called for Had)), who eat the moon. Sköll will eat the sun, and Hati will eat the moon, and afterwards their dad would break free from the earth and chains. At least according to the version i know of.
@Hetahetalia CATS?! Truly Vanir mysticism can do the impossible! My favourite god's Hephaestus. Disabled kid taking pride from his work despite scorn from his hedonist family. You don't often see gods get a reality check. Though for me the old gods are mostly archetypes, mirrors for the, uh, psyche, pardon the pun.
Well Ragnarök isn't really the "end of the world" so much as the "twilight of the gods" or "GÖTTERDÄMMERUNG" (and I'm sorry that it sounds so much more metal in german)
I'd go with Ragnarök over Götterdämmerung. They mean the same thing, with Götterdämmerung being a German calque for the Old Norse ragnarøkkr (twilight of the gods), a misreading of ragnarǫk (fate of the gods). While Ragnarök is solidly rooted in Old Nose, however, dating to the 13th Century, posibly earlier, Götterdämmerung only goes back as far as the 18th Century, when German writers began translating Old Norse works into German. As for Götterdämmerung sounding more metal, may I direct your attention to the music of Skálmöld (although the only song I can think of that directly mentions Ragnarök by name is "Valhöll"): Búnir undir ragnarökin, (Prepared now for Ragnarok) rekum sverðin út um bökin. (shove the swords out through the backs.) Sárin gróa, sorgir bakka, (The wounds they heal and sorrows dwindle,) sálin heil, ég Óðni þakka. (soul is whole, I Odin thank!)
It depends on whose interpretation you follow. In Vǫluspá, the name Ragnarǫk is given and this is the one most English translations use. In Old Norse, it roughly translates as “fates of the gods”. In the Prose Edda, it is referred to as Ragnarøkkr, which means “twilight of the gods.” Interestingly enough, most Anglicized spellings use the former variant, but prefer the latter’s meaning.
Fun fact before Snorri(the Christian dude who rewrote alot of Norse mythology) Helheim wasn't a bad place it was just a place where people went if they weren't chosen by Odin or Freya.
@Hetahetalia correct. And then everything resets at Ragnarok. The stories I was told has Hel riding a dragon to bring humanity back from Helheim afterwards. The dragon had all the humans on it with her
@Hetahetalia well idk how well they've transferred over(i'm American so the stories have been passed down and probably changed) but i know a couple weird Irish ones and some retellings of Norse. Most of the ones i heard have Loki being...Not EVIL just....Kinda out there.
I just realized: All of the "Big Four" world mythologies have a giant apocalyptic dragon monster that even the gods fear--Cipactli (Aztec), Apophis (Egyptian), Typhon (Greek) and Jormungandr (Norse).
jormungandr aint a dragon, its quite literally just a huge snake. same with the lindwurm (i see quite often especially from this channel that is a dragon but it aint, it's a fuckin snake, a big one but a snake, it might be considered slightly draconic by RPGs like dnd style shit or whatever but it aint a dragon)
So what exactly is the distinction? Can you clarify what makes Jormungandr or the Lindwurm different from dragons? It can’t be the lack of legs, plenty of dragons don’t have legs. Same with the wings. Not all dragons breathe fire either. Or have a breath weapon in general. Giant snakes have been portrayed as synonymous with dragons for ages, what makes Jormungandr and the Lindwurm different?
@@CJCroen1393 well we do get a few actual dragons in germanic/nordic folklore n shit, and they usually do have wings and atleast one pair of legs, but ye the difference is that jormuncandr is quite literally stated to be a snake, a really fuckin big one but a snake, dunno shit usually dont translate well but here in sweden (probably in norway/denmark too, he's called midgårdsormen (basically translates to the world serpent) and that is what he is, lindwurm? ye that wurm part? means snake. we do have actual dragons in our mythos but the lindwurm and jormungandr arent one of those
nordic dragons tend to be depicted with atleast one pair of legs, while the snakes of jormungandr and lindwurm arent, they could be somewhat related to actual dragons sure, but actually being dragons? nah they're not
people from other cultures however do tend to think of them as a form of dragon whenever they hear of them but I can assure you that dragon they are not
All other belifs: World ending no good Christianity: Yo we're having a party in heaven once earth's done who wants to come? Edit: Just saying, I'm an Atheist
@@aramkaizer7903 You’re correct. According to John’s vision in Revelations, at the ending of time, Jesus will come again to Earth and look for all who believe in Him. A thousand years of total peace will come, and then at the last day of the world, Jesus will lead the armies of Heaven against Lucifer and his armies and destroy evil and death forever. When the last battle is over, Lucifer and his followers will be thrown into a lake of perpetually burning sulphur, and he will never be allowed to harm people or tell lies again. Then God will make a new Heaven and a new earth where His kingdom will be on Earth. The new world will never decay, evil will never be allowed to enter, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain in God’s kingdom. God will dwell in this new city forever and people will be able to speak with Him face to face. And there will be no more curse of sin, for all will be glory, peace, love, and eternal life.
@@davidmckay6453 summarization: earth goes peaceful, evil attacks good, good wins, evil retconned from existance, new world gets built, god then proceeds to retcon the "look at my face = die"
A. S. Byatt in her "Ragnarok" points out that possibly the idea of the whole world being restored after the battle and repopulated by two humans with some gods left was likely written in post into the myth because of the influence of Christianity. She also mentions that older texts tend to leave the land properly disheveled and destroyed far beyond the point of no return. So, it used to be even more metal. Fun stuff.
I never knew that many other Norse gods survived. I mean, I knew Baldur and Hodr came back, but I guess I didn't read enough Norse mythology to know about the others. Did know about the humans. I've got this mental image of Baldur leading Hodr there, just being all patient, keeping an eye out for tripping hazards.
...well, I don't think it can kill him again, but the idea of him being forever wary of it is actually pretty amusing. Maybe not scared to the point of screaming, but he just forever goes out of his way to avoid touching it again, just in case. Hodr does his best to keep his mind off of it when they encounter it by talking to him. Mistletoe honestly does try to avoid them, because it still feels bad.
Hal and fraya are theorised to have been stated as surviving as Hel doesn't leave her realm and Fraya isn't mentioned in any fights (but her and her brother are often mixed together though history so it's possible that they die the same way
@@ryan1000011 You know, I originally wanted to say that I hoped Freya was still alive since she wasn't mentioned, but my biggest reasoning was because she has a chariot drawn by cats. And she rides a battle boat, if I must name another reason. I just think she has cool pets, and is one of the least irritating love goddesses. Thanks for telling me that the theory for it exists, at the very least. Hopefully, she has her hubby, too. Guy keeps going missing, and I think it'd be nice if she at least managed to still have him in her life.
Poor Baldr, just imagine that guy at Christmas parties. Baldr: WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT? Some other god: Dude chill, it’s just mistletoe. Baldr: IT’S FUCKING MISTLETOE, O HELL NO, I’M OUT OF HERE. (Runs away screaming leaving everyone else stunned in confusion).
Oh! actually if you still read these comments there IS a story set after the end of Ragnarok, it's called Runemarks and Runelight. A sort of different take on norse mythos, with what remains of the gods and people, and the sort of hijinks they get up to after the end of Ragnarok.
"Titans of justice, fearless we stand Odin All-Father are we blessed by your hand Together we rise, together we fight We ride into battle and into the night The giants are raging, the gods meet their fate The heavens crack open, thunder fall through the land Guardian of Bifrost is blowing his horn We ride into battle and into the storm" - Prophecy of Ragnarok, by Brothers of Metal
Ah-ah, ah! Ah-ah, ah! We come from the land of the ice and snow From the midnight sun, where the hot springs flow The hammer of the gods W'ell drive our ships to new lands To fight the horde, and sing and cry Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar Our only goal will be the western shore Ah-ah, ah! Ah-ah, ah! We come from the land of the ice and snow From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow How soft your fields so green Can whisper tales of gore Of how we calmed the tides of war We are your overlords On we sweep with threshing oar Our only goal will be the western shore So now you'd better stop and rebuild all your ruins For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
You guys are just awesome. I was doing a deep dive into the abyss of a video game that mixes a mountain full of mythology and swirled it around into a hot mess of a puzzle. Been just binging your incredibly entertaining " summaries" and had to say how great they are. Thank you! ( And a giant help in my piecing said puzzle together)
My fave part os the fact that Ođinn only received that prophecy by forcing a seer from her grave who was really not into it, and just wanted to rest in peace but Ođinn was all "tell meeeeee" and she eventually told him the "prophecy"... I get this vibe that she totally just made shit up to get rid of him and be left alone. The fact that ots a "maybe" that causes Ođinn to basically torture all of Loki's kids and subsequent Loki's part in a comparably swift and painless death of Baldur is not only understandable, but also a million times cleaner than chaining to a rock, tossing off bifrost, throwing an infant so hard that she ends up in another realm and becomes half black (blue and black were mistranslated... yes, we should be using blacktooth headphones. Also i love that they made up some s**t about the love of blackberries to explain the name 😂 Id have bluer teeth if that were true... which only kinda means baby half of Hels body is bruised perhaps?), and then enslaves the other to be Ođinn's STEED! And then when Loki outs himself, they take revenge for what I perceive as Loki's revenge, by taking his two other children with Sigyn (name means victorious girlfriend... so wife?) They turn one into a wolf, drives him crazy and rips the other child up and they use the guts of that child to tie Loki to the rock where the serpent drips poison onto him... which will purportedly end with all of Loki's kids being huge problems for Ođinn. Basically the prophecy is basically self fulfilling.
Love me a good self fulfilling prophecy People should really stop killing and torturing all the guys who are supposed to destroy the world and start treating them with kindness and respect so they don't want to destroy the world
Two things I would add: 1)the world is not safe from destruction after Ragnarök.The final stanza of Völuspá reads: Þar kemr inn dimmi dreki fljúgandi, naðr fránn, neðan frá Niðafjöllum; berr sér í fjöðrum, - flýgr völl yfir, - Niðhöggr nái. Nú mun hon sökkvask. There comes the gloomy flying dragon a gleaming serpent, down below from Niðafjöll; it carries itself in feathers - flies over the plains - Niðhöggr overtakes. Now will I sink myself down. (translation mine) So... the dragon that will destroy the world-tree survives the end, and so it's not really some happy-fun-time pure place. oh well! 2) the early descriptions of Ragnarök, i.e. Völuspá mostly, may be describing a volcanic dust-veil event. Neil Price has an excellent article on the subject. "Gräslund, B., & Price, N. (2012). Twilight of the gods? The ‘dust veil event’ of AD 536 in critical perspective. Antiquity, 86(332), 428-443. " Meanwhile, Mathias Nordvig has argued that it's actually a description of the 934 eruption of Katla in Iceland "sciencenordic.com/were-vikings-scared-volcanoes"
Perhaps a more accurate translation would be: There comes the dark dragon flying, a sharp serpent, from Niðafjöll; carries in his feathers - flies over the plains, - Níðhöggr corpses. Now she will sink. Source: Me Fun fact: dreki, naðr and fránn are all words that can mean dragon
... oh yep, I definitely made some goofs in that. I like yours better except the last line, I have two questions. nái - why are you translating that as "corpses"? I was assuming it was a form of the verb ná, which can be translated as "to overtake". sökkvask - since this one is medio-passive, I really think this should be a reflexive, with the seeress referring to herself in the third person. Do you agree with that, or am I making another mistake there (which is somewhere between possible and likely :P)?
Nái is the plural accusative of nár, which means corpse. It could also be a version of the adjective nár, in this case meaning "the dead", as in "the dead Níðhöggr", but then "berr sér í fjöðrum" would be left unfinished. Nái can also be the subjunctive of the verb ná, meaning to catch up to or get. I will admit that I'm not sure who or what is supposed to be sinking, but sökkvask(accusative) means to get sunk (by nobody in particular, i.e. just sink). If the seer was sinking herself, it would be "sökkva sér" (dative). The reason why I translated it as "Now she will sink" is because hon means she in old norse, so the subject should is at least a feminine word in the third person. Actually, now that I'm looking over Völuspá again, it starts in the first person, but then it changes into the third person for no apparent reason. So sökkvask could probably refer to the seer, but the translation remains the same.
Clarification: Since this is an old poem, the structure is sometimes more important than readability. Sentences tend to be broken up and switched around. A more readable version of the 3rd and 4th lines would be: - flýgr völl yfir- (flies over the plains) Níðhöggr nái berr sér í fjöðrum (Níðhöggr carries corpses in his feathers) Nú mun hon sökkvask. (Now she will sink)
all right, thanks. That works for nái, I would still push back against sökkvask, because while, yes, the Proto-Norse origins of the mediopassive mood was "verb + reflexive pronoun", by the 10th century it had pretty well been normalized to all cases as just "-sk". And I agree that the translation doesn't change, but it does make a slight different in interpreting the text. And I know poetry is kind of a mess, Old Norse is the third language I've done poetry in. At least it's not dróttkvætt.
Okay, this is actually about the Poetic Edda video, but Loki is not associated with fire. The reason people think he is comes from the tale of Thor and Loki's trip to the castle of Utgarda-Loki. This is a giant whose name is also Loki, but it's not the one whose traveling with Thor. The story involved a bunch of challenges. The general theme of the challenges is "Gods try to do seemingly simple stuff only to find out that they are trying to best forces of nature, which even they cannot do". They have to perform a feat or else they cannot stay in his hall for the night. Loki was the first one to speak up - he said he could out-eat anyone in the hall. So he faces off against a guy named Logi. Loki eats a whole bunch of meat, but Logi LITERALLY TURNS INTO FIRE AND CONSUMES EVERYTHING. It's later revealed to Loki that this Logi guy is basically the personification of wildfires. Logi is the old norse word for fire. This is why people think he's a fire god. He has nothing else to do with fire except this stupid myth, where people just get confused. Which is fair, they have similar names. The difference in their name is just ᛚ ᛟ ᚲ ᛁ (loki) versus ᛚ ᛟ ᚷ ᛁ (logi) . But still, not a fire god.
You want a fantasy story set in post-Ragnarok earth? How about the Bible? :D Jests aside, there's an interesting theory that the story of Ragnarok was cooked up by Christian converts in order to rationalize their change of religion by claiming that all the relevant Norse gods are long dead. The two humans who are still alive at the end even makes for a decent segue into Genesis. Considering the fact that the only writings we have of Raknarok were written by Snorri, who was a Christian, it kinda fits.
TheLittleTpot We do also have Vǫluspá, which is believed to be a rather older poem and is our primary source for the myths, although you could be right.
Doesn't make much sense really. When the celts in Ireland where christianized, they turned the Túatha De Danann from deities into ancient ancestors of the irish people. Snorri does acknowledge the Æsir as deities though. However the idea of the earth being reborn as paradise after Ragnarok might be christian influence though. There's a semi-popular theory among scholars of Ragnarok actually being cyclical, which I believe to be true aswell.
@@brya9681 True, but the only fully written accounts of Ragnarok we have available were written in the 13th century. Snorri Sturlasson, who compiled the Poetic and Prose Eddas, was a Christian. It's not completely unfathomable that the tale could have been adjusted to better suit the changing religious culture.
@@TheLittleTpot i see what you're saying, but that just sounds more like a justification to bring it all back to Christian mythology. I would agree that all religions/mythologies seem connected but I think that's just because they were all created by humans. I think we tend to reach the same conclusions regardless of how far we are apart somehow.
It's interesting to note that the whole cyclical view makes its way into the actual style of Norse poetry too: when the poem ends, the storyteller just starts over again.
You know, you could say the Aesir Kinda Brought this on themselves. I mean, Loki probably bumped Balder off as revenge for his comrades imprisoning his children, and Balder's death signified that Ragnorok was near. Sure, Jormungandr was too dangerous, but they could have just trained Fenrir NOT to rise up against them and destroy the world. Also, did they REALLY have to get rid of Hel? She wasn't a REAL danger. She was just Half-corpse.
I remember finding a story of Fenrir once where the Aesir tried to restrain him, but he was too powerful, so Odin, being the cheeky Wiseman he is, challenged him to break out a simple ribbon. Fenrir took that challenge and allowed Odin to tie him down with the ribbon only for Fenrir to find that it was indestructible. EDIT: I have just looked it up, and it turns out it isn't actually a ribbon, but a chain as thin as a silken ribbon that was forged by dwarves utilizing one of many impossibilities like the sound of a cat's footfall, the roots of a mountain, the breath of a fish, etc.
Fenrir wasn't a complete fool. He recognized it was probably a trap, he just figured he'd be powerful enough to escape anyways. Just to be safe he insisted one of the gods place their hand in his mouth while the others put the chains on him. Tyr agreed to do it and lost his hand as a result.
Is it just me, or are Freya and Rhea very similar? Like, there's the name, and they both have chariots pulled by cats, they're both associated with a peaceful afterlife for heroes, their brother/lover is a god of plenty and good times, their (step) dad is the ocean, they're both considered fertility goddesses, they both come from a set of gods among whom incest is considered an acceptable norm... I think that "Vanir" might just be the Norse word for "Titan."
@Hetahetalia yeah, but i would still love it, and i can say that is what makes that theory so fascinating to me, it gives it a mystical air that is difficult to resist not diving into
3:46 I heard a strory somewhere (I think this was about a marvel version but I'm not sure) where ragnarok keeps happening with odins goal basically being to end the cycle so technically in that version everything is "after ragnarok". kind of like a timeloop story except the loops influence eachother a little and there isn't someone who keeps all their memories
Important note: The renewal after Ragnarök is likely an addition after christianization, and should not be presented as the exclusive version of the myth. The overall theme of Ragnarök seems to contradict with the renewal of the universe. P.s. It probably shouldn't be Valhalla, Valhall is the more accurate anglicization.
Why? If it was a Christian addition you'd think they'd go straight for the "and then the one real God showed up!"-ending that only appeared in much later versions. Not sure what the Christians would gain from adding "oh and a bunch of pagan Gods we don't belive in survived and recreated the earth from scratch" to the poems. The main Christian narrative right after Christianization was the whole "the gods were actually just human kings" thing as seen in Gesta Danorum and the prologue to the Younger Edda.
@@Painocus Yes, gods being human kings, or powerful sorcerers is one of the christianized myths, but another christianized telling of Norse mythology was linking the humans who survived ragnarök with Adam and Eve. Different groups, and different storytellers chritianized the myths differently. The alteration of stories by individual storytellers is part what leads to so much inconsistency within what is known of Norse mythology. Remewal after ragnarök is only one version of the myth, and there is evidence that it's current form was influenced by chritianity. P.s. looked at one of your other comments on this channel, it's always nice to find a fellow dirty commie in the wild
@@Painocus the renewal was 100% a christianization meant to symbolize the birth of Adam and Eve. I don’t know if you knew this, but incest has never been a very popular thing in Scandinavian cultures, not even back then. I don’t think 2 humans reproducing with and between their children would’ve faired well before the introduction of genesis
I tried to write a book based around Norse mythology once and failed horribly simply because the research phase was so difficult. There are a lot of holes in Norse mythology and a lot of the information we do have is unreliable. This makes it extremely difficult to write a book rooted in Norse mythology, since there's just so much missing. However, Tolkien did a great job of it. A lot of what you see in the Lord of the Rings is inspired by Norse mythology. I wish I could write like Tolkien. T-T
There is a myth concerning the Norse social structure where Heimdall has a bunch of kids and then one of the descendents of one of his kids is talking to a raven and the only copy of it that we have cuts off mid sentence when the raven's talking.
I feel the most missed part of this isn't Vidarr didn't just kill Fenrir... he tore Fenrirs jaws apart to kill him. Because Norse mythology is the single most metal thing in existence.
I know of ONE Post-Ragnarok story, sort of. 'The Day After Ragnarok', an alt-WWII PnP RPG where The Riech tries to summon Jörmungandr in a last-ditch Hail Mary to win The War, but are stopped midway by the US suicide nuking the thing in the face. The Serpent's corpse then flattens most of West Europe and North Africa and its venom is both radioactive and magic AND it's coated most of North America. Now humanity must rebuild. Not really Urban Fantasy, but it's the best I've got.
fun fact: thanks to murdering the sisters of fate, kratos is basically an anomaly that will never appear in any fates, prophecies or destinies, atreus does but never kratos, this while seen at 3:55, it also explains as to how jormungandr appeared before fimbulwinter or even the death of baldr
So I started trying to find the song that plays at 0:50 by searching Ragnarok on Spotify; didn't find it, but did find some EPIC metal, including Brymir, one of the most AMAZING melodic death metal bands I have ever heard. I AM IN LOVE, THANK YOU OSP
"Freja IS one of only five Norse War Gods."
ONLY five.
MOST NORSE SENTENCE EVER.
@Alex Pokrandt but that’s counting minor gods. The Olympians has Athena and Ares, but the rest were mostly children of Ares, as well as being all minor gods. The Norse had 3-5 MAJOR war gods.
@Alex Pokrandt Hera is more of a goddess of ruling and power than a war goddess, but thanks for telling me the Greeks didn’t distinguish between major and minor gods. What I do know is that most of the smaller gods were specific aspects of war lik Phobos and Deimos, as well as Nike.
"One of five"
*Kratos wants to know your location*
In Scion 1st edition even if you weren't explicitly one of the 5 big war gods, all the others minored in War. It was a very warlike pantheon...
@Alex Pokrandt I thought "major" gods were the 12 Olympians + Hestia & Pluto and the "minor" gods were everyone else like Hecate, Eros, etc.
Yggdrasil: Starts shaking
Fenrir: *Oh yeah, it’s showtime.*
Fenrir: **Having fun in Ragnarok**
Odin: "My time has come."
@@WarMonger_the-One-and-Only
Vídar: "Hello! My Name is Vídar. You Killed My Father. Prepare to Die."
Fenrir: "Ah shit."
lol
I guess Nidhogg finally nibbled hard enough at the roots
@@GMdelsXT9 I understood that reference
In the myth of Baldur's death, Hel agrees to let Baldur live again if everyone alive wishes for him to come back life. Everyone wishes for this, but the only one who refuses is a disguised Loki. So with Loki dead in Ragnorak, that means everything that survived had previously wished for Baldur's return. So Hel releases Baldur as promised. That is my theory, since its never stated.
It makes sense
You are the smartest man alive aren't you?
After Ragnarok Baldur will survive and rule the new world. It is not a theory, Baldur will be OK, but it won't happen in that way. Also Hel said that every living thing, alive AND dead, soo.... Yeah
Makes sense to me
Ishmam Masud - Cuz I Can
Damn boy he THAK!
Fun fact, there's a town in Manitoba, Canada called Gimli. And in the Eddas, Gimli is the name of the golden hall where the gods will live after Ragnarok.
Basically what I'm saying is that I want a book or a tv series where Ragnarok happened 100 years ago and all the surviving gods have been living in this rinky-dink Canadian town ever since
Auz Payeur so do the gods still talk in norse or do they now say everything in a heavy Canadian accent, eh?
Ozapy between each other they talk like Vikings, but they try to sound canadian when they're talking to mortals. They mostly sound like they're doing a bad impression of Bob and Doug McKenzie
Canorse gods
I'm not sure the Edda are a good reference, in the prologue it says that Thor's dad is memnon from Troy, you know, Achilles black aethiopan friend... But we all know Thor isn't mixed race!
Aédan McAreavey the Vikanucks
End of the world in other religions: "On no boo hoo were all gonna die."
End of the world for Vikings: "I SHALL ARRIVE AT THE GATES OF VALHALLA SHINY AND CHROME! *WITNESS ME!!!!!"*
"Shiny and chrome"? Is that a "Mad Max: Fury Road" reference or is it just me?
Everything is chrome in Valhalla
Not all norse are vikings
in cristian religion the shit ended with angels beating the crap out of satan and a traitor demon sealing him in hell for 2000 years
"MEDIOCRE!"
1:49 during ragnarok, all chains and bonds break, that's how Loki and his children got out of their prisons :)
That's sick as hell
Literal definition of all hell breaks loose lmao I love it
@animeizzy_ ninetails Yeah!!
@animeizzy_ ninetails Hel was actually involved, but not in setting her family free, it was the massive earthquakes during Ragnarök that broke all the chains and bonds! Though not physically in the war, she sent all the souls that went to her instead of Valhalla (because they died 'shamefull' deaths) to fight in Ragnarök for Loki aboard the ship Nagelfar! (it's made of the nails of the dead-) I hope this has been of any help to you :))
@animeizzy_ ninetails i'm happy to help! Finally my interest is paying off, y'know :)
Greek Mythology: Classic Rock
Egyptian Mythology: Alt Rock
Norse Mythology: Deathmetal
I think it would be Sabaton
Brothers of Metal is a thing you know, it's literally Metal songs about Norse mythology
Aztec? Yeah... what would Aztec be...?
Morganna Meyer confused screaming
@@ecivedsusagep Heavy metal?
I'm surprised you never mentioned how Vidarr fights with a giant boot, which is made from the scraps of all the discarded boots in the world. This apocalypse has been brought to you by Nike's new Air Fjørdans; Durable, Comfortable, Deadly!
100% Fenrir proof! Preorder now on norsemazon?!
@Aibori KJ The boot!
@Aibori KJ if you really want to know watch the Crash Course Mythology on it. its way better than Red's summary. Because its the tons of earthquakes that breaks out Loki and HE leads the charge.
tatehodges
Lol
Wouldn't the Norse Amazon just be called Shield Maiden? Or... You know... Valkyrie?
1:59 that drawing goes hard, Odin knowing he's going to die here and picking up Mimir's head and asking for one final way to get out of this prophecy but Mimir already knows.
Mimir, seriously, do you know how to make a giant vacuum cleaner- like, scare the big dog off...?
Nope, sorry brah
SHIT.
Yeah actual chills when i saw it. So cool
It's not like he doesn't deserve it-
*In Red's voice:* Metal.
Iron, bronze, or steel?
@@danieloceansmith3156 Viking.
Bathory intensifies
*In blue's voice:* Rock.
@@darn9717 DOMEEEEEEEE
daniel Ocean Smith How about Gallium?
How to save thor,
1 Make sure he doesn't walk
2 Cut off his legs, so he can't walk
4: Cut his spine so he's paralysed
Wait...
Well conisdering all great serpants in Norse Mythos have insanely poisonous blood...
Remember kids, always look for the loopholes or workarounds in your prophecies
Unfortunately it’s not the steps that kill him, it’s the poison, which would have killed a lesser soul instantly.
Thor makes it through the whole battle and 9 steps afterwards (one step for each Realm) because he’s JUST THAT BADASS.
“Jormugandr does a little wiggle”
Possibly my favorite line from you, and there’s a lot to choose from.
Loki's chains were broken at the same time Fenrir's were, with the shaking of the world.
Excuse me; who's your icon supposed to be?
When I was a kid my dad found a thing where you could send in a picture and they would make a Simpsons version of the person in it. That was me.
Ah that's cool. Sorry to bother you, the coloring reminded me of someone else and I needed the confirmation that it was a coincidence in order to retain my sanity.
Self-gaslighting. I like it.
Excuse me weren’t those chains his friggin’ intestines!
Ragnarok is basically how the world would end if the world _really_ *REALLY* wanted to go out with a bang!
Izzy hay if thats the world is going to end, im up for it.
Except that Ragnarök is _not_ the end of the world, or the Nine Worlds, but the Twilight of the Gods and the end of Asgard. After the big battle of Norse Gods + Einherier (the dead heroes) vs Hel, Surtur and other assorted giants, the giant wolf Fenris and his two sons (who swallow the sun and the moon), and the Midgard Serpent, Middle Earth is still there. After the Filmbulwinter ends, two humans come out of the woods or caves where they've been hiding and start anew (although in the prose Edda I read as a child, the couple that survived are brother and sister, so... um, yeah, have fun procreating!).
CrunchyFrog they’ll be fine when it comes to reproducing,not so much actual quality of existence for 2 generations until it becomes physically incapable due to too little genetic diversity but I guess norse gods don’t exactly read up on genetics on account of not needing to,being gods and all
Well even early norse understood to a degree the dangers of incest and it is commonly believed in Norse Heathen circles that the two humans surviving is an Alagorical prophecy for dramatic effect more or less and that likely (and actually according to some translations of the Ragnarok Myths) two clans consisting of about 7 or 8 families a piece.
IF THE FUCKING WORLD'S GONNA END, THEN LET'S DO IT BIG, WHOOOOOOOOO
"one of only five war gods" because FIVE is not enough
There's never enough war gods
Well, we all *sort of* do it, but only those five really specialze...
Humans are war Gods in their own right
There are different aspects of war that they represent.
Thor is war for the common soldier; he is the patron to the warrior and the farmer.
Odin is war for the monarch and the strategist and the bandit; he is the patron to rulers and outcasts and is the god of wisdom and magic.
Tyr is honorable war in which both sides don't cheat, though he's more of a god of single combat and justice, so he'd also be war for revenge/justice.
Freja is war for the non-combatant and the militia, as far as I can tell.
I can't remember who the fifth war-god is.
@@dredlord47 and here I thought Thor was the God of Hammers
Norse mythology is the single most badass of all mythologies
Umm... have you been familiarized with any other mythologies?
Hi, the Aztecs called. They'd like to dispute your claim.
Murdo Maclachlan tell me does the Aztec mythology have a myth about its trickster god seducing a horse to save the world? No? Then don’t pretend it’s more badass!
Scandinavia is a nexus of awsome. They made: Vikings, Norse mythology, The great northrn war (bitchslaping everyone for a while), Minecraft, etc.
Meatballs.
Whenever I listen to this, at the part where Red talks about the Egyptians praying against Apophis I imagine a small toddler just learning about this part of their religion. I can just see some child waving innocently saying "bye bye" to Ra's barque and praying that the "big bad snake doesn't eat you." It's very cute and very innocent.
But to whom do you pray to save the king of the gods?
@@CaptainvonDorewell if isis was the one who summons the cobra that fights apophis, id imagine praying to her would be the best bet
1:17
Theoden: "... Shields shall be splintered! A Sword day, a red day!"
Aragorn: "An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day!"
mmmmz wasnt beowulf enough there Tolkien? ;)
Tolkien did very much attempt to essentially write the next epic, in the literary genre sense. IMO he did a pretty damn good job, especially parts of the Silmarillion which is much more directly inspired by Old English folkloric styles of writing and has a lot less of a continuous narrative.
Read up on Dagor Dagoroth, JRRT's end of the world event. 1 part Ragnarok 1 part Revelations all Epic
@@LOTR22090able Yup i know it, its definitely heavily inspired by Ragnarok!
It gets more Tolkien-esque if you include the entire stanza of the poem, at least from the version I have.
Brothers shall kill brothers, and be each other's killers, kin shall wage war against each other.
It shall be hard to live on the earth in an age of faithlessness
- in an axe age, a sword age, a storm age, a wolf age; shields shall be cloven.
When the earth sinks into the sea, there shall be no man who is faithful to another.
The world of Middle Earth was undoubtedly inspired partly by Norse mythology. From having a sort of pantheon of "gods", to the idea of Ragnarok being integrated through Dagor Dagorath (or the end of the world) and it's rebirth, to the use of creatures from Norse myth like Dwarves and so on.
So Ragnarok is the time when all bonds break. That doesn't mean relationships; it refers to the literal bonds holding various doomsday monsters back.
In one climactic moment, Jormungandr, Fenrir, and Loki are freed. Because Jormungandr is freed, it looses the nagalfr as well.
And Yggdrasil starts to shake because of Nidhoggr, the Norse World-eating-dragon; it literally spent eternity gnawing at the roots of the world tree, until Ragnarok when... well, yeah.
And because the World Tree is dying, Hrym and Surtr basically say 'fuck it.'
Or to put it simply: Ragnarok happens because a dragon roughly the size of midgard has finished snacking on the tree holding everything up, and everyone realizes that it's their last chance to get a really good scrum in.
Literally every monster/deity in Norse Mythology during Ragnarok: Eh, we're going to die anyways, so why not die fighting?
“The time when all bonds break” is another way saying a world war
@@TheMrChipmyster Different context, maybe. It's pretty literal this time around. So less 'Everyone deciding they all hate eachother' and more 'All the different apocalyptic super monsters breaking their seals and coming out for lunch.'
I just wanted to sound deep.
@@voivodadracula1936
All things considered, it could be.
The problem is simple: no scale is ever given for Yggdrasil except for 'encompasses the 9 realms within it's branches'. Nidhoggr also has no given scale, beyond 'big enough to lie beneath the world tree and eat it's roots.' Midgard -also- has no real defined scale, either. IIRC. At least, aside from 'smaller than Yggdrasil.' Fun thing about mythological scales of size tend to be hyperbole at best, so...
Nidhoggr may have been as big as the world tree itself, or as small as a mouse (which would explain the time it took.)
The wolf eating the sun and moon thing can be explained like this: there are two wolves that chase the sun and the moon respectively. When they catch up to the moon and sun, they eat them and ragnarok stuff happens
Also, both wolves chasing the sun and the moon are Fenrir's kids.
the wolves are Hati and Sköll (sons of fenrir)
Isnt the sun supposed to be sol? I forgot who the moon was
Lennerd Fobe The moon is her brother Mani
Yeah
I know this is an old video but Joanne Harris' book series Runemarks is actually set in a world after Ragnarok. It's amazing and began my love of norse mythology
(She's also written two prequel books which are the events leading up to and immediately following ragnarok from Loki's perspective)
There is also Jack Kirby's New Gods, where the entire premise is that various gods and mythological creatures clashed in a ragnarock-esque cosmic battle and wiped each other out, and the planets of Apokalips and New Genesis, as well as the inhabitants of those planets, arose from the aftermath of that event. I have even heard that Jack Kirby originally envisioned the New Gods as a "endpoint" for the Mighty Thor comics back when he worked for Marvel.
Chugiakjr The Playwwright the new gods comics are actually apart of DC now, which as cool to see that DC has embraced the cosmic side of their universe more than they used to!
OMG I THINK I READ ONE OF THOSE AND WANTED TO READ IT AGAIN BUT DIDN'T KNOW WHO WROTE IT!!! THANK YOU!!
I really want to read this now
I met a Norwegian a couple of months ago named Trym and he was an actual descendant of a Viking King of Norway back in the Middle Ages (he told me the name but I can’t even remember it). It was like meeting a Greek named Zeus who’s also a descendant of Leonidas of Sparta. His background was hardcore and metal as fuck but he was super chill, hated sports, studied anthropology and loved cats so his contradicting existence was very fascinating to me. Anyway meeting him and listening to his stories is what brought me here. Very interesting stuff.
Hetahetalia Oh shit!
Being norwegian myself I am going to guess that his name was actually Trym and not Thrym. Also, almost the entirety of scandinavia is probably related to every norwegian king in some way or another due to how genetics work out over a long ass time.
Rallis True sorry for butchering it. Is it true that it’s after the king of the frost giants?
@@PorkotylerClips Not sure, sounds familiar tho. I hope i am not coming across as passive aggressive btw :P
Rallis Nope this is very informative actually.
3:33
Apocalypse?
Sure.
Planetary housekeeping?
Definitely.
Hotel?
Trivago.
Is that a motherfucking Brazil reference!? owo
lol
Damnit, you beat me to it.
Cogrets you just promoted a product without even any pay
NO!!!!! HOTEL? *CALIFORNIA*
“Freya is one of ONLY five norse war gods.”
Red what the hell do you mean only. Greece and rome had more than usual at just 2
Yeah, but these are the *Norse.* You can't have too many war gods.
@@brigidtheirish as I understand it, how norse mythology works is not every god is a war god but every god IS a warRIOR god.
@@364dragonrider Yeah, pretty much. It's like the Norse pantheon has a 'you must be this badass the join' policy.
And that's not counting regional deities and variations, mystery cults, and aspects/gods of violence. Overall, there were probably more than 5 norse war gods and more than 2 greek/roman/greco-roman war gods.
Greece had at-least 4 war gods Ares, Athena, Aphrodite Areia, Dionysus (later on) and maybe even Persephone.
Ragnarok
Apocalypse? Sure.
Planetary Housekeeping? Definitely.
I NEED THIS AS A SHIRT
Percival Meowington III
ME TOO!!
Little Black Hood
Hotel? Trivago.
like what you said about the Norse tradition,,
*"CHAOS? PARTAY!"*
I am Swedish and I had an epiphany today: Ragnarok means "Twilight of the Gods", and in Sweden we have the phrase "Gudars Skymning!" It means "Twilight of Gods", and is used in exasperation or shock over something. Could it be possible that this phrase is a thousand-year-old reference to Ragnarök? I don't know, but I thought it was cool to think about!
There are some accounts that Apophis was the original Sun God and that he's simply trying to get his job back
No, that's some snake propaganda
Also that he may be Ra's umbilical cord brought to life. I guess if you are a creator god then anything can happen.
GOD DAMN BIRD PEOPLE STEALING OUR JOBS
Jesus Egypt, how many sun gods did you need?
That's just what a snake person would say!
There's an interesting undercurrent in Norse belief, regarding prophecy.
See, the Norse were of the belief that the future was unavoidable. And when you got glimpses of things to come, it solidified those prophecies until the future glimpsed was set in stone. There was no "predicting the future in order to change it". As such, Odin - the god most interested in things to come - was rather reluctant to employ prophecy and futuresight, most of all when it came to Ragnarok. Because the more Odin looked at the future, the more it revealed about Ragnarok, and thus the worse that final battle would become.
So it makes perfect sense to me why the Eddas were fragmentary in their predictions. Not only could Odin not get a good picture of future events, he didn't _want to_ , lest he sacrifice the few bits of wiggle room uncertainty gave them. If the Aesir were to "win" - for a given value of winning - they needed as much of that uncertainty as possible, so they had space to work _around_ the bad stuff they knew was going to happen.
In essence, Odin was fighting a recon war against Schrodinger's Future, doing cost-benefit analysis between learning valuable intel, and not screwing his side over by fixing bad occurrences in.
Huh, Didn't think about it that way
That’s my Norse mythology head canon now (if such a thing can exist)
The way I understood it, Odin deliberately created chaos to delay Ragnarok long enough so that enough great warriors can die an honorable warrior's death so his army would be powerful enough to prevent the absolute destruction of the world, meaning that the only reason there might be a chance of something surviving is because he messed around with the order of the universe so much.
One of Odin's fables is that he sacrificed one of his eyes to know something. My guess is this particular insight/strategy was the reward for his sacrifice.
This is actually a very popular theory in Heathen circles including one that I as a practicing Norse Pagan hold to myself is that Odin believes that there is a chance to change the outcome of Ragnarok by not knowing every single thing about it and hence why he continues to gather great warriors for him and Freya to fill his ranks.
As for Folkvangr there are 2 pervading theories that I am aware of. 1 is obviously as Red here says that she joins the battle of Ragnarokr with her ship full of fallen warriors. The other is that she holds onto them for after Ragnarokr to help rebuild and re-establish humanity.
The "only two humans" surviving is generally accepted as metaphor simply for very few since it is presumed the Gods understand just as we humans do that 2 people is not enough people to create a diverse enough genetic pool for the entirety of humanity not to have.....issues lets just say issues, that come from not having a diverse enough genetic pool.
This is actually something Rick Riordan explores in “Magnus Chase and the Gods of Asgard” it’s pretty cool
1:42 To clarify this part the sun and moon get eaten by the wolves Skol and Hati who also happen to be the children of Fenrir
I've heard they could be aspects of Fenrir, I'm not sure if he had time to have kids before he was you know. Imprisoned.
I think one of them is explicitly named as the son of Fenris, the other one is kinda just there and its not 100% clear if one eats the sun and the other the moon or if they are both chasing the sun.
@@TheMadalucard Yeah, mythology, especially Norse mythology, doesn't exactly have consistent or clear canon, haha.
And lokis grand children
I've always wondered who their mother is.
Nice use of the Ride of the Valkyries in the background.
Kirsten Paff- literally just commented that! I was hoping someone else noticed too!
Immigrant song would have also worked
Timothy Ng, true, but, unlike Led Zeppelin, Wagner's been dead for over a century, so nobody is going to kick up a fuss over copyright infringement.
2:25
What about the song that played during the first stages of Ragnarok? The one that started with Fimbulvetr and ended at the part about Folkvangr?
Conspiracy theory: We're post Ragnarok.
Also Freyja confirmed survives with her realm. She doesn't just get the valorous non combat deaths, she gets all of those, but she gets half the chosen slain. It's also implied she gets the pick of the litter, which makes sense, the Valkyries work for her, making her a love goddess, goddess of the home, goddess of war AND a death goddess. And the Christians had the gall to make her into a consort or less. Bah I say! Bah!
I maintain that's better than having erotic fanfic written about you.
@Hetahetalia what I see with a lot of the NeoPagans/Wiccans is they grab the Sorla Pattr and other nonsense written by Christian monks (who totally wouldn't want to undermine or degrade the Nordic deities after the Northern Crusades, noooooo.) and propegate those blatant lies to justify their own... well. Behavior that wouldn't earn you a place in the Folkvangr let's say.
Or what if ragnarok has just begun
I think the post Ragnarok theory was what the Christian chroniclers were going for.
that's Frigg
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how epic Loki's children are??
Fenris, Jormungandr and Hel are all badasses, but nobody ever talks about Loki's human kids with Sigyn. Smh.
@@gracecarpinter8623 They also deserve all the love
I know like to think that all four of them (Loki, Fenrir, Jormungandr and Hel) were looking forward to this day to get vengeance on those who imprisoned them (and Loki being a huge protective mother bear to his kids).
Y'all forgetting Sleipneir, he was the best horse😔
@@pokimanefartcompilation forget the way he was born he was still odin's bad-ass trusty steed
THOR! ODIN'S SON!
PROTECTOR OF MANKIND!
RIDE TO MEET YOUR FATE!
YOUR DESTINY AWAITS!
Thor Hlôdyn's son
Protector of mankind
Rise to meet your fate
Ragnarök awaits
\m/\m/
\m/\m/
STORM OF LETHAL FLAMES
ONLY DEATH REMAINS
RAGNAROK IS OUR FATE
DIE FOR HONOR, DIE FOR GLORY
DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
DEATH IN FIRE!!
The waves of flames that
I've unleashed will eat us all alive
The rage that burns within my heart
Is uncontrolled and wild
And now everything shall die!
Massive waves consume us all, the ocean is released
Our dying world quakes underneath
And sinks into the sea
And now nothing will survive!
Extinction waits for everyone
For gods and men alike
When all are gone of the old world
A new one will arise
Norse mythology is soo fantastic. One of my favorite
Doesn't matter which story you read, the old man will always try to turn destiny in his favor. Odin's kinda nordic sisyphus that way.
Too bad most of the stories were lost and we just have the two books to work with.
"I've been dreading that dumb quip literally my whole life." Come on, Eye don't think it was that bad.
Oh, come on! That quip was on fire!
Idk loki coming from you I figured it would be more frosty
"Won't you just eat sword, man?"
...ok, I admit it. I laughed. Take my like.
Yeah I don’t see what his problem with the joke was
"I've been falling........FOR 30 MINUTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
- Loki 2017
HA!
he needs to...
get help
Could you please summarise the myth where Thor tries to drink the ocean, lift the midgard serpent and wrestle age next.
there is a ted-ed video about this
I didn't know that. Although I already know the myth, I'd just like to see OSP make a video about it because they're always really entertaining.
I don't think they will cause they have already covered the poetic edda
I don't think that story is in the Poetic Edda, but it is well documented in the Prose Edda.
Isn't this the one with two Lokis?
The method which Vijarr uses to kill Fenrir that I read of is actually sort of brutal. He does indeed jump into Fenrir's mouth, then grips both jaws and snaps them outward.
Also heard a version of Thor's death where he dies by drowning in Jormungaand's blood after he slays him.
Technically Ragnarok might have already happened, since the world of man doesn't really differ all that much before and after. We might be living in a post-ragnarok world
That's how some Christian missionaries converted Norse Pagans.
some theorise that Ragnarok was a cyclical event as after the world calms down Baldur and another god who i can't remember find a game board with the pieces of the game being figures from the start of creation and Baldur moves a pieces creating a new world and the cycle begins anew
Technically, no. There is absolutely no clearly stated evidence for this in Old Norse literature and has not even once been mentioned in Old Norse texts. It is a completely modern assumption. This doesn’t mean that it’s impossible that it might have been cyclical, there’s just not enough evidence for it, which means you don’t get to use the “technically...” line.
How is "technically" a wrong word to use in this sentence? It's a technical possibility even if it's unlikely. Also you don't have to be rude about it :/
TheWildmanden Sorry, I do apologize for my rudeness. I was coming off as a bit of snob and no-one likes a snob. But technically, “technically” means: according to the facts and exact meaning of something, strictly. Since your theory doesn’t really fill that requirement, the use of the adverb, “technically” is not applicable in this situation. Again, sorry for sounding like an elitist jerk, that was a stupid move on my part.
Interestingly in one interpretation of ragnorok there are only supposed to be two humans left and one god after the battle. Who just so happens to be a the god that everybody loved and who also died and came back to life. So if your a Christian it’s totally ok to believe that the Norse gods did exist and that it’s all just a Uber badass prequel to Christianity.
But of course this depends on the interpretation of the myth.
Iain Hansen lol wait so you’re saying that according to myth God is the dude that died from Mistletoe?🤣
Makes even more sense since apparently the sun and the stars disappeared due to Ragnarok.
So even god saying "let there be light" would still be compatible with the existence of the Norse Gods and Ragnarok.
Cambria Wuethrich yep mistletoe is gods only weakness........well that and chariots of iron, but we don’t talk about that.
Iain Hansen Well it’s possible Christians anglicized that version into existence to get Norse people to believe in Christianity, right?
Leaf Finite that’s probably true
I've always wondered why scandinivians like heavy metal so much
thanks OSP for clarifying
You kind of get that when the sun goes on vacation for half a year at a time. Especially if you live on Iceland where the sky fills with fire and brimstone every now and then.
Why are you here sheev? Shouldn’t you be trying to sudsed anakin to the dark side?
I love the people inside ragnarok. They know they bout to die but they DONT CARE. Its awesome. Its the opposite of being nihilistic
To be fair it's precisely being nihilistic , life has no meaning
There is 2 types of nihilism
Well, it's more anti-nihilism. "Yeah, I know this world is eventually doomed and so am I but that's no reason to not drink, fight, be merry and dispense wisdom and life lessons to all those mortals in Midgard!"
Also Odin is kinda the original 'Santa Claus'. Literally. So, definitely anti-nihilist.
Didn’t know the Norse were Stoic philosophers. +10 awesomes
ikr norse gods are awesome!
In the version i know, it's not Fenris who eats the sun and moon, but it's his children, Sköll and Hati (sometimes called Skoll and Hate (Hati is also sometimes called for Had)), who eat the moon. Sköll will eat the sun, and Hati will eat the moon, and afterwards their dad would break free from the earth and chains. At least according to the version i know of.
This ☝
@Mullerornis
What?
Hence "maybe fenrir but at least some kind of wolf"
Which totally fits, considering they've been chasing their individual one since the birth
Hence the sun and the moon moving in the sky
Seems more logical, since they're the ones chasing the sun and moon throughout the sky.
2:03
I think that may be the single coolest representation of Odin I have ever seen
Agreed
I SAW RAGNAROK AND CAME AS FAST AS I COULD
Mystical Elisto same
+Mystical Elisto
As did I.
Mystical Elisto love the profile pic........ because BI-NESS FOREVER
DAYUM HOW FAR?
Mystical Elisto 😏
Fun fact, Freya's afterlife literally means "people catcher."
Freya is my hero
@@miriambloom2923 Oh? What traits of her do you find awesome?
@Hetahetalia CATS?! Truly Vanir mysticism can do the impossible!
My favourite god's Hephaestus. Disabled kid taking pride from his work despite scorn from his hedonist family. You don't often see gods get a reality check. Though for me the old gods are mostly archetypes, mirrors for the, uh, psyche, pardon the pun.
@Hetahetalia Nah Thor cosplaying as Freya is the best God ever
PERSON BOX
2:26 Ride of the Valkyries, how operatically appropriate nice one Red😊😁👍!!!
Well Ragnarök isn't really the "end of the world" so much as the "twilight of the gods" or "GÖTTERDÄMMERUNG" (and I'm sorry that it sounds so much more metal in german)
Maybe, but "twilight of the gods" just doesn't roll that well off the tongue.
I'd go with Ragnarök over Götterdämmerung. They mean the same thing, with Götterdämmerung being a German calque for the Old Norse ragnarøkkr (twilight of the gods), a misreading of ragnarǫk (fate of the gods). While Ragnarök is solidly rooted in Old Nose, however, dating to the 13th Century, posibly earlier, Götterdämmerung only goes back as far as the 18th Century, when German writers began translating Old Norse works into German.
As for Götterdämmerung sounding more metal, may I direct your attention to the music of Skálmöld (although the only song I can think of that directly mentions Ragnarök by name is "Valhöll"):
Búnir undir ragnarökin, (Prepared now for Ragnarok)
rekum sverðin út um bökin.
(shove the swords out through the backs.)
Sárin gróa, sorgir bakka,
(The wounds they heal and sorrows dwindle,)
sálin heil, ég Óðni þakka. (soul is whole, I Odin thank!)
Doesn't get a lot more metal than Twilight of the Thundergod by Amon Amarth ^^
Fall of the Æsir, maybe?
That should be a book. Someone get on that.
It depends on whose interpretation you follow. In Vǫluspá, the name Ragnarǫk is given and this is the one most English translations use. In Old Norse, it roughly translates as “fates of the gods”. In the Prose Edda, it is referred to as Ragnarøkkr, which means “twilight of the gods.” Interestingly enough, most Anglicized spellings use the former variant, but prefer the latter’s meaning.
Fun fact before Snorri(the Christian dude who rewrote alot of Norse mythology) Helheim wasn't a bad place it was just a place where people went if they weren't chosen by Odin or Freya.
@Hetahetalia correct. And then everything resets at Ragnarok. The stories I was told has Hel riding a dragon to bring humanity back from Helheim afterwards. The dragon had all the humans on it with her
@Hetahetalia possibly. i was told a lot of stories from family and they were told by family and so on so
@Hetahetalia well idk how well they've transferred over(i'm American so the stories have been passed down and probably changed) but i know a couple weird Irish ones and some retellings of Norse. Most of the ones i heard have Loki being...Not EVIL just....Kinda out there.
I just realized: All of the "Big Four" world mythologies have a giant apocalyptic dragon monster that even the gods fear--Cipactli (Aztec), Apophis (Egyptian), Typhon (Greek) and Jormungandr (Norse).
jormungandr aint a dragon, its quite literally just a huge snake. same with the lindwurm (i see quite often especially from this channel that is a dragon but it aint, it's a fuckin snake, a big one but a snake, it might be considered slightly draconic by RPGs like dnd style shit or whatever but it aint a dragon)
So what exactly is the distinction? Can you clarify what makes Jormungandr or the Lindwurm different from dragons? It can’t be the lack of legs, plenty of dragons don’t have legs. Same with the wings. Not all dragons breathe fire either. Or have a breath weapon in general. Giant snakes have been portrayed as synonymous with dragons for ages, what makes Jormungandr and the Lindwurm different?
@@CJCroen1393 well we do get a few actual dragons in germanic/nordic folklore n shit, and they usually do have wings and atleast one pair of legs, but ye the difference is that jormuncandr is quite literally stated to be a snake, a really fuckin big one but a snake, dunno shit usually dont translate well but here in sweden (probably in norway/denmark too, he's called midgårdsormen (basically translates to the world serpent) and that is what he is, lindwurm? ye that wurm part? means snake. we do have actual dragons in our mythos but the lindwurm and jormungandr arent one of those
nordic dragons tend to be depicted with atleast one pair of legs, while the snakes of jormungandr and lindwurm arent, they could be somewhat related to actual dragons sure, but actually being dragons? nah they're not
people from other cultures however do tend to think of them as a form of dragon whenever they hear of them but I can assure you that dragon they are not
As long as the foundations are still strong, we can rebuild this place.
Why isn't the series called Mythellaneous? PUNS BABY
Edit: by God what fighting have I unleashed upon this reply section
No, that is not how puns work
Theodoric that's 100% how puns work
Actually, it's 200% how puns work!
to lazy to explain how thats not a pun, check wiki page of puns. Also even if that was a pun it wouldn't be a very good one
You've got to me kidding me.
“my favourite is the one where it rained jaguars” is a mood
I can’t imagine a sick guitar solo not playing across the realms as everything is being torn apart in the greatest war ever
What if Ragnarok is just a big, elaborate, poorly acted play like what happened in Avatar the Last Airbender's "Ember Island Players."?
"Wait, did Surtr just die?"
"You know, it was really unclear."
@@realitywarper936 "Hey Surtr , would you say you and Hrym have a fiery relationship?"
The picture of mimir and Odin talking before ragnorak goes so hard I love your art style
As a Scandinavian I'm happy you did this!
Same.
Hell, I'm a Canadian and I'm happy she did this.
Let's be honest, everyone's happy they did this
Throughout this whole story, I was waiting for Red to say "...And then the Hulk shows up". Still eagerly waiting. The suspense is killing me!
i have found you yet again, Just Some Guy with a Mustache
All other belifs: World ending no good
Christianity: Yo we're having a party in heaven once earth's done who wants to come?
Edit: Just saying, I'm an Atheist
Funny enough. The Christian conception is that the world will be reborn. Heaven and Earth will be unified in the new kingdom if I'm not incorrect.
@@aramkaizer7903 You’re correct. According to John’s vision in Revelations, at the ending of time, Jesus will come again to Earth and look for all who believe in Him. A thousand years of total peace will come, and then at the last day of the world, Jesus will lead the armies of Heaven against Lucifer and his armies and destroy evil and death forever.
When the last battle is over, Lucifer and his followers will be thrown into a lake of perpetually burning sulphur, and he will never be allowed to harm people or tell lies again.
Then God will make a new Heaven and a new earth where His kingdom will be on Earth. The new world will never decay, evil will never be allowed to enter, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain in God’s kingdom. God will dwell in this new city forever and people will be able to speak with Him face to face. And there will be no more curse of sin, for all will be glory, peace, love, and eternal life.
Thank you, christian fingers in his ass guy.
@@davidmckay6453 summarization: earth goes peaceful, evil attacks good, good wins, evil retconned from existance, new world gets built, god then proceeds to retcon the "look at my face = die"
“Heimdall blows the Gjallarhorn”
“Ghallarhorn”
Gjallarhorn...
*destiny flashbacks*
Who would Win the Gjallarhorn or the Taken King Raid States
truly, that launcher was worthy of the name and then some
Gjallarhorn is also in Symphogear XD Unlimited! Too bad the English server is shut down too quickly.
IF THERE IS BEAUTY IN DESTRUCTION .... WHY NOT ALSO IN THE DELIVERY?
A. S. Byatt in her "Ragnarok" points out that possibly the idea of the whole world being restored after the battle and repopulated by two humans with some gods left was likely written in post into the myth because of the influence of Christianity. She also mentions that older texts tend to leave the land properly disheveled and destroyed far beyond the point of no return. So, it used to be even more metal. Fun stuff.
Brother’s of Metal’s first album is all about Ragnarok and its stellar
The follow up about the Emblas Saga is even better
Yeah, they make some awesome music. Emblas Saga is kind of like a prequel to their Ragnarok album.
To anyone who wants to know the music at 0:50 it's The Prodigy - Voodoo People (Pendulum Remix)
+AlJack
Thank you!
Thank youuuuuuu
Thanks, this was driving me up the wall. Havnt listened to this track in years!
Thank you, you massive legend
^The real mvp here.
I never knew that many other Norse gods survived. I mean, I knew Baldur and Hodr came back, but I guess I didn't read enough Norse mythology to know about the others. Did know about the humans.
I've got this mental image of Baldur leading Hodr there, just being all patient, keeping an eye out for tripping hazards.
Tripping hazards like... mistletoe on the ground?
I think that, even after Ragnarok, Baldur will still be completely terrified by that little plant.
...well, I don't think it can kill him again, but the idea of him being forever wary of it is actually pretty amusing. Maybe not scared to the point of screaming, but he just forever goes out of his way to avoid touching it again, just in case.
Hodr does his best to keep his mind off of it when they encounter it by talking to him.
Mistletoe honestly does try to avoid them, because it still feels bad.
Hal and fraya are theorised to have been stated as surviving as Hel doesn't leave her realm and Fraya isn't mentioned in any fights (but her and her brother are often mixed together though history so it's possible that they die the same way
@@ryan1000011 You know, I originally wanted to say that I hoped Freya was still alive since she wasn't mentioned, but my biggest reasoning was because she has a chariot drawn by cats. And she rides a battle boat, if I must name another reason. I just think she has cool pets, and is one of the least irritating love goddesses.
Thanks for telling me that the theory for it exists, at the very least. Hopefully, she has her hubby, too. Guy keeps going missing, and I think it'd be nice if she at least managed to still have him in her life.
Poor Baldr, just imagine that guy at Christmas parties.
Baldr: WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?
Some other god: Dude chill, it’s just mistletoe.
Baldr: IT’S FUCKING MISTLETOE, O HELL NO, I’M OUT OF HERE.
(Runs away screaming leaving everyone else stunned in confusion).
Oh! actually if you still read these comments there IS a story set after the end of Ragnarok, it's called Runemarks and Runelight. A sort of different take on norse mythos, with what remains of the gods and people, and the sort of hijinks they get up to after the end of Ragnarok.
I was looking for that comment!! 😄😄
"Titans of justice, fearless we stand
Odin All-Father are we blessed by your hand
Together we rise, together we fight
We ride into battle and into the night
The giants are raging, the gods meet their fate
The heavens crack open, thunder fall through the land
Guardian of Bifrost is blowing his horn
We ride into battle and into the storm"
- Prophecy of Ragnarok, by Brothers of Metal
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRD
Shinku Kirito Ichika I’m so glad someone else here knows that awesome song
IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!
AND IM FEELING FINE
XD
6 o'clock news on a cherry oh day.
AND I FEEEEEL FIIIIIIIIIINEEEEE
LISTEN TO YOYR BLOOD CHURN
"Oh, what time is it now again?"
"Oh you don't know? It's Ragnarok o'clock!!!"
Ah-ah, ah!
Ah-ah, ah!
We come from the land of the ice and snow
From the midnight sun, where the hot springs flow
The hammer of the gods
W'ell drive our ships to new lands
To fight the horde, and sing and cry
Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar
Our only goal will be the western shore
Ah-ah, ah!
Ah-ah, ah!
We come from the land of the ice and snow
From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow
How soft your fields so green
Can whisper tales of gore
Of how we calmed the tides of war
We are your overlords
On we sweep with threshing oar
Our only goal will be the western shore
So now you'd better stop and rebuild all your ruins
For peace and trust can win the day despite of all your losing
Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
Ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh, ooh-ooh
@ShadowKing 7890 its called The Immigrant Song
You guys are just awesome. I was doing a deep dive into the abyss of a video game that mixes a mountain full of mythology and swirled it around into a hot mess of a puzzle. Been just binging your incredibly entertaining " summaries" and had to say how great they are. Thank you! ( And a giant help in my piecing said puzzle together)
My fave part os the fact that Ođinn only received that prophecy by forcing a seer from her grave who was really not into it, and just wanted to rest in peace but Ođinn was all "tell meeeeee" and she eventually told him the "prophecy"... I get this vibe that she totally just made shit up to get rid of him and be left alone.
The fact that ots a "maybe" that causes Ođinn to basically torture all of Loki's kids and subsequent Loki's part in a comparably swift and painless death of Baldur is not only understandable, but also a million times cleaner than chaining to a rock, tossing off bifrost, throwing an infant so hard that she ends up in another realm and becomes half black (blue and black were mistranslated... yes, we should be using blacktooth headphones. Also i love that they made up some s**t about the love of blackberries to explain the name 😂 Id have bluer teeth if that were true... which only kinda means baby half of Hels body is bruised perhaps?), and then enslaves the other to be Ođinn's STEED!
And then when Loki outs himself, they take revenge for what I perceive as Loki's revenge, by taking his two other children with Sigyn (name means victorious girlfriend... so wife?) They turn one into a wolf, drives him crazy and rips the other child up and they use the guts of that child to tie Loki to the rock where the serpent drips poison onto him... which will purportedly end with all of Loki's kids being huge problems for Ođinn.
Basically the prophecy is basically self fulfilling.
Love me a good self fulfilling prophecy
People should really stop killing and torturing all the guys who are supposed to destroy the world and start treating them with kindness and respect so they don't want to destroy the world
Two things I would add:
1)the world is not safe from destruction after Ragnarök.The final stanza of Völuspá reads:
Þar kemr inn dimmi dreki fljúgandi,
naðr fránn, neðan frá Niðafjöllum;
berr sér í fjöðrum, - flýgr völl yfir, -
Niðhöggr nái. Nú mun hon sökkvask.
There comes the gloomy flying dragon
a gleaming serpent, down below from Niðafjöll;
it carries itself in feathers - flies over the plains -
Niðhöggr overtakes. Now will I sink myself down. (translation mine)
So... the dragon that will destroy the world-tree survives the end, and so it's not really some happy-fun-time pure place. oh well!
2) the early descriptions of Ragnarök, i.e. Völuspá mostly, may be describing a volcanic dust-veil event. Neil Price has an excellent article on the subject. "Gräslund, B., & Price, N. (2012). Twilight of the gods? The ‘dust veil event’ of AD 536 in critical perspective. Antiquity, 86(332), 428-443. " Meanwhile, Mathias Nordvig has argued that it's actually a description of the 934 eruption of Katla in Iceland "sciencenordic.com/were-vikings-scared-volcanoes"
Perhaps a more accurate translation would be:
There comes the dark dragon flying,
a sharp serpent, from Niðafjöll;
carries in his feathers - flies over the plains, -
Níðhöggr corpses. Now she will sink.
Source: Me
Fun fact: dreki, naðr and fránn are all words that can mean dragon
... oh yep, I definitely made some goofs in that. I like yours better except the last line, I have two questions.
nái - why are you translating that as "corpses"? I was assuming it was a form of the verb ná, which can be translated as "to overtake".
sökkvask - since this one is medio-passive, I really think this should be a reflexive, with the seeress referring to herself in the third person. Do you agree with that, or am I making another mistake there (which is somewhere between possible and likely :P)?
Nái is the plural accusative of nár, which means corpse. It could also be a version of the adjective nár, in this case meaning "the dead", as in "the dead Níðhöggr", but then "berr sér í fjöðrum" would be left unfinished.
Nái can also be the subjunctive of the verb ná, meaning to catch up to or get.
I will admit that I'm not sure who or what is supposed to be sinking, but sökkvask(accusative) means to get sunk (by nobody in particular, i.e. just sink). If the seer was sinking herself, it would be "sökkva sér" (dative). The reason why I translated it as "Now she will sink" is because hon means she in old norse, so the subject should is at least a feminine word in the third person.
Actually, now that I'm looking over Völuspá again, it starts in the first person, but then it changes into the third person for no apparent reason. So sökkvask could probably refer to the seer, but the translation remains the same.
Clarification: Since this is an old poem, the structure is sometimes more important than readability. Sentences tend to be broken up and switched around.
A more readable version of the 3rd and 4th lines would be:
- flýgr völl yfir- (flies over the plains)
Níðhöggr nái berr sér í fjöðrum (Níðhöggr carries corpses in his feathers)
Nú mun hon sökkvask. (Now she will sink)
all right, thanks. That works for nái,
I would still push back against sökkvask, because while, yes, the Proto-Norse origins of the mediopassive mood was "verb + reflexive pronoun", by the 10th century it had pretty well been normalized to all cases as just "-sk". And I agree that the translation doesn't change, but it does make a slight different in interpreting the text.
And I know poetry is kind of a mess, Old Norse is the third language I've done poetry in. At least it's not dróttkvætt.
Honestly Viðarr's weird. In some accounts he has this huge mutant shoe made of all the abandoned footwear ever.
Socks included?
@@zarinaa1135
There are no socks, I'm afraid; just a gigantic shoe.
AND IT WAS THE SHOEST SHOE EVERRRRRRRR *tongue flails/guitar riff*
Brought to you by Nike Air Max.
Uh more like badass, he killed Fenris the most dangerous of Loki's monster children single handedly and he survived the apocalypse.
"Ragnarok-o-clock" It's moments like these when I remember why I subscribed.
Okay, this is actually about the Poetic Edda video, but Loki is not associated with fire. The reason people think he is comes from the tale of Thor and Loki's trip to the castle of Utgarda-Loki. This is a giant whose name is also Loki, but it's not the one whose traveling with Thor.
The story involved a bunch of challenges. The general theme of the challenges is "Gods try to do seemingly simple stuff only to find out that they are trying to best forces of nature, which even they cannot do". They have to perform a feat or else they cannot stay in his hall for the night.
Loki was the first one to speak up - he said he could out-eat anyone in the hall. So he faces off against a guy named Logi. Loki eats a whole bunch of meat, but Logi LITERALLY TURNS INTO FIRE AND CONSUMES EVERYTHING. It's later revealed to Loki that this Logi guy is basically the personification of wildfires. Logi is the old norse word for fire.
This is why people think he's a fire god. He has nothing else to do with fire except this stupid myth, where people just get confused. Which is fair, they have similar names. The difference in their name is just ᛚ ᛟ ᚲ ᛁ (loki) versus ᛚ ᛟ ᚷ ᛁ (logi) . But still, not a fire god.
You want a fantasy story set in post-Ragnarok earth? How about the Bible? :D Jests aside, there's an interesting theory that the story of Ragnarok was cooked up by Christian converts in order to rationalize their change of religion by claiming that all the relevant Norse gods are long dead. The two humans who are still alive at the end even makes for a decent segue into Genesis. Considering the fact that the only writings we have of Raknarok were written by Snorri, who was a Christian, it kinda fits.
TheLittleTpot We do also have Vǫluspá, which is believed to be a rather older poem and is our primary source for the myths, although you could be right.
Doesn't make much sense really. When the celts in Ireland where christianized, they turned the Túatha De Danann from deities into ancient ancestors of the irish people. Snorri does acknowledge the Æsir as deities though.
However the idea of the earth being reborn as paradise after Ragnarok might be christian influence though. There's a semi-popular theory among scholars of Ragnarok actually being cyclical, which I believe to be true aswell.
thats an interesting theory except for the fact that the norse religion and these stories are thousands of years older than Christianity
@@brya9681 True, but the only fully written accounts of Ragnarok we have available were written in the 13th century. Snorri Sturlasson, who compiled the Poetic and Prose Eddas, was a Christian. It's not completely unfathomable that the tale could have been adjusted to better suit the changing religious culture.
@@TheLittleTpot i see what you're saying, but that just sounds more like a justification to bring it all back to Christian mythology. I would agree that all religions/mythologies seem connected but I think that's just because they were all created by humans. I think we tend to reach the same conclusions regardless of how far we are apart somehow.
Athena: You will always be… a monster.
Kratos: You’re right. I am a monster. But I am no longer *your* monster.
Asguard: *panik*
*[Immigrant song plays]*
RaHuHe aaaaaaaaaaaaaah! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Ahhhhhh!
Ding?
"Yeah, i can't"
"But he can"
*NO!*
It's interesting to note that the whole cyclical view makes its way into the actual style of Norse poetry too: when the poem ends, the storyteller just starts over again.
You know, you could say the Aesir Kinda Brought this on themselves. I mean, Loki probably bumped Balder off as revenge for his comrades imprisoning his children, and Balder's death signified that Ragnorok was near. Sure, Jormungandr was too dangerous, but they could have just trained Fenrir NOT to rise up against them and destroy the world. Also, did they REALLY have to get rid of Hel? She wasn't a REAL danger. She was just Half-corpse.
I remember finding a story of Fenrir once where the Aesir tried to restrain him, but he was too powerful, so Odin, being the cheeky Wiseman he is, challenged him to break out a simple ribbon.
Fenrir took that challenge and allowed Odin to tie him down with the ribbon only for Fenrir to find that it was indestructible.
EDIT:
I have just looked it up, and it turns out it isn't actually a ribbon, but a chain as thin as a silken ribbon that was forged by dwarves utilizing one of many impossibilities like the sound of a cat's footfall, the roots of a mountain, the breath of a fish, etc.
+JoshtheOverlander
And Tyr gets his hand eaten by the aforementioned giant wolf. Good times for everyone!
Fenrir wasn't a complete fool. He recognized it was probably a trap, he just figured he'd be powerful enough to escape anyways. Just to be safe he insisted one of the gods place their hand in his mouth while the others put the chains on him. Tyr agreed to do it and lost his hand as a result.
Mullerornis O__e
Is it just me, or are Freya and Rhea very similar? Like, there's the name, and they both have chariots pulled by cats, they're both associated with a peaceful afterlife for heroes, their brother/lover is a god of plenty and good times, their (step) dad is the ocean, they're both considered fertility goddesses, they both come from a set of gods among whom incest is considered an acceptable norm... I think that "Vanir" might just be the Norse word for "Titan."
**Nods head pretending to know what everyone is talking about**
Most religions are really alike, so it wouldn’t be strange
Like the theory that Jupiter could originally meant "Father Indra" and Juno "Mother Indra"
@Hetahetalia they should totally make a video on the subject
@Hetahetalia yeah, but i would still love it, and i can say that is what makes that theory so fascinating to me, it gives it a mystical air that is difficult to resist not diving into
3:46 I heard a strory somewhere (I think this was about a marvel version but I'm not sure) where ragnarok keeps happening with odins goal basically being to end the cycle so technically in that version everything is "after ragnarok".
kind of like a timeloop story except the loops influence eachother a little and there isn't someone who keeps all their memories
we need a full cover of Red singing Bad Moon Rising
James Zhang bi completely agree with that
I’ve gotten almost all of my friends into your channel and they hate me now because they are addicted
It's a good kind of hate, revel in it 🤣
Important note: The renewal after Ragnarök is likely an addition after christianization, and should not be presented as the exclusive version of the myth. The overall theme of Ragnarök seems to contradict with the renewal of the universe.
P.s. It probably shouldn't be Valhalla, Valhall is the more accurate anglicization.
Why? If it was a Christian addition you'd think they'd go straight for the "and then the one real God showed up!"-ending that only appeared in much later versions. Not sure what the Christians would gain from adding "oh and a bunch of pagan Gods we don't belive in survived and recreated the earth from scratch" to the poems. The main Christian narrative right after Christianization was the whole "the gods were actually just human kings" thing as seen in Gesta Danorum and the prologue to the Younger Edda.
@@Painocus Yes, gods being human kings, or powerful sorcerers is one of the christianized myths, but another christianized telling of Norse mythology was linking the humans who survived ragnarök with Adam and Eve. Different groups, and different storytellers chritianized the myths differently. The alteration of stories by individual storytellers is part what leads to so much inconsistency within what is known of Norse mythology. Remewal after ragnarök is only one version of the myth, and there is evidence that it's current form was influenced by chritianity.
P.s. looked at one of your other comments on this channel, it's always nice to find a fellow dirty commie in the wild
Rather, it's the version where only Baldr survives you're thinking of
@@Painocus the renewal was 100% a christianization meant to symbolize the birth of Adam and Eve. I don’t know if you knew this, but incest has never been a very popular thing in Scandinavian cultures, not even back then. I don’t think 2 humans reproducing with and between their children would’ve faired well before the introduction of genesis
@@zrosix2240 Ask and Embla?
You should do a Classics Summarized: on The Outsiders
DO IT FOR JOHNNY, DO IT FOR JOHNNY MAN
Also good vid
Stay golden Ponyboy
@@galactricron5228 exactly
Oh man I love the Outsiders!
While I love that book to pieces (read it in middle school), I don't consider it a classic.
Stay pony goldenboy.
If anyone was wondering, the song at 0:43 is Voodoo People by Pendulum.
oh god thank you!
Thank you. So. Much
I love the art you did for some of this scenes like for Loki and Odin
Norse mythology is so manly that even the females have testosterone
Shane Awad All women have testosterone, but men just have more of it.
They also had the HEAVIEST metal of All time but their music was lost...
All norse goddesses confirmed as trans
I heard that Viking women got paid to get married by the potential grooms parents
@@gothnerd887 thats called a dowry my man it happens in ancient times look it up
*Immagrant Song by: Led Zeppelin starts playing*
aHHHHHH WE COME FROM THE LAND OF THE ICE AND SNOW
@@letmetakeajormungandrattha8591 FROM THE MIDNIGHT SUN WHERE THE HOT SPRINGS BLOW
@@The1Dragonprincess The hammer of the goooods...
Will drive our ships to new lands...
@@billveusay9423 Fighting the horde, we sing and we cry, "Valhalla, I am coming!"
yet another amazing cover sung by red that really needs to be sung fully! please red release an album of your songs! i love your singing soo much!
I tried to write a book based around Norse mythology once and failed horribly simply because the research phase was so difficult. There are a lot of holes in Norse mythology and a lot of the information we do have is unreliable. This makes it extremely difficult to write a book rooted in Norse mythology, since there's just so much missing.
However, Tolkien did a great job of it. A lot of what you see in the Lord of the Rings is inspired by Norse mythology. I wish I could write like Tolkien. T-T
Don't. Always write in your own style. 😊
Why dont you make it up or skip the holes i mean id read a book like that no problem even if its not 100% whole
There is a myth concerning the Norse social structure where Heimdall has a bunch of kids and then one of the descendents of one of his kids is talking to a raven and the only copy of it that we have cuts off mid sentence when the raven's talking.
Just make shit up to fill in the gaps, and try to keep the tone consistent.
Was about to sleep but what the Hel let's watch this :)
@Just Someone no one would pass up a chance to make a norse pun, woden you?
Mc Jethro Pov Tee these puns are are Hella whack. Also my hair’s falling out and if I don’t get hair tonic I’ll be Baldr.
@@BrusierWeight It's okay to be bald, man. Let your head be Frey!
Well, I don’t have any more, Folk(vanger) this!
Dayum, you (Ragna)rock!
I feel the most missed part of this isn't Vidarr didn't just kill Fenrir... he tore Fenrirs jaws apart to kill him. Because Norse mythology is the single most metal thing in existence.
I noticed that Robert Frost allusion in the description. 😁
“I hold with those who favor fire.”
Which is an interesting thing to say, given his name.
I know of ONE Post-Ragnarok story, sort of. 'The Day After Ragnarok', an alt-WWII PnP RPG where The Riech tries to summon Jörmungandr in a last-ditch Hail Mary to win The War, but are stopped midway by the US suicide nuking the thing in the face. The Serpent's corpse then flattens most of West Europe and North Africa and its venom is both radioactive and magic AND it's coated most of North America. Now humanity must rebuild. Not really Urban Fantasy, but it's the best I've got.
fun fact: thanks to murdering the sisters of fate, kratos is basically an anomaly that will never appear in any fates, prophecies or destinies, atreus does but never kratos, this while seen at 3:55, it also explains as to how jormungandr appeared before fimbulwinter or even the death of baldr
So I started trying to find the song that plays at 0:50 by searching Ragnarok on Spotify; didn't find it, but did find some EPIC metal, including Brymir, one of the most AMAZING melodic death metal bands I have ever heard. I AM IN LOVE, THANK YOU OSP