Anyone should have the right to modify anything they own as long as it meets regulations. But... Any manufacturer should reserve the right to void the warranty if done so.
Isn’t that the way it is now ? John Deere will only guarantee that the product works properly if they are involved. I see a problem if JD puts in features that stalls working equipment unless you pay them to unlock it. (This is not intended to be an upsetting comment).
@@nubreed13 that's not entirely true. They can purchase the hardware and software (much like a dealership does) but it ultimately is cost prohibitive unless you want to start working on tractors all day and stop farming. I get where JD is coming from. Alot of time and $ goes into the development of any product. The high tech machines we have now or even 25 years ago are expensive to design and build. You want to fix it? Go ahead and buy the software. Don't think that just bc they built a tractor there isn't an entire division of electrical engineers, softaare designers, programmers and others involved that still have to be paid and continue developing new products. Btw, thank the us epa if you really have a problem with it. Without increasing demands for cleaner engines with increased efficiency we would still be running the old black smoke spewing tractors of yester year.
People don’t realize this isn’t just an issue for farmers. If John Deere can take away the right to repair, what can automotive companies do? Edit: I get it. Other companies are doing it too. The point is it’s still illegal because in the US we have the Right to Repair law. If they let John Deere get away with it, all the other companies can too.
Hey James, fun tidbit real quick. As a farmer in south Alabama, there’s a big movement from the smaller farmers, those that don’t have 50,000 acres in Nebraska, to buy older tractors. We run 13 total in our operation and the newest being a 1992 Case Magnum. The “Right to Repair” battle has caused farmers to stray away from newer and often times safer equipment for things they can repair without going bankrupt. Even Deere’s more “every man” oriented tractors are still pushing $80,000 by the time your done paying interest.
I was actually thinking about this as well. Welker Farms for example use the old Big Buds. Has there been any price change on the used tractoes market?
I definitely don't have 50,000 acres but in Nebraska as far as us ranchers go it's the same. All the tractors we work don't have canopies and most have no fan covers. The huge majority are from the 70s to 50s in terms of manufacturing years.
John Deere is still making new non computerized tractors out of Mexico and India. Probably not exporting to the US tho. Available to 3rd world countries for now. Can be repaired by non-dealers but need to get parts from dealers
The same issue is going on in the UK agricultural machinery dealers have suffered really low sales for at least two or three years since 2016 as most tractors tend to be more expensive to buy and run as most new tractors have to have add blue systems to cut emissions in the UK and they are a lot more complex to fix. They are also a bit bigger than the tractors brought out 20 years ago and the issue with this is that they can't easily get down the narrow roads/lanes and sometimes the gates to the fields.
My family farm only runs older tractors that we can fix are selves the new equipment we run at work has thrown codes with under 100 hours they don’t make modern equipment to last because they know that it will break and they can make more off the owner the newer equipment I have run has had way more problems than the tractors we run on the farm
This issue is massive, with repercussions that affect the bottom lines of farmers everywhere. Farming is really a game of timing everything. You have a very narrow window to properly do each task, whether it is seeding, spraying, or harvesting; if you are outside of the ideal window it will hurt your profits. By needing to wait for "techs" to come out and reset your computer or make a minor fix that 10 years ago you could do yourself the cost is in the thousands. I don't know any farmers that support John deere on this issue.
I agree, my dad's a farmer with old deere equipment. But not me, I'm becoming a youtuber i guess with my new channel about trucks in the mountain where there are no farms. We sill own the family farm though, dad still works it
Other than appreciating a lot your storytelling style and speech, I've been always fascinated from the JD brand. I'm italian, grew in the countryside and not directly me but when someone's dad owned a JD tractor in his farm industry it was like for city boys to have their dad owning a Mercedes AMG. Nice to learn some history about this iconic brand!
Heard "Right to Repair", started thinking about Louis Rossman, and all of a sudden the legend himself appears. Crossovers you never thought would happen
The only reason to love donut is that they give content about all stuff over automobiles. They are not limited to sports cars and super cars. Keep it up james,nolan,jeremiah and jobe
The Up To Speed series has always been our favorite on your channel. Once again, we learn more information and history in such an easy-to-understand way. Thanks, Donut!
My grandpa is a cattle and hay farmer. He’s old school. Gets up with the sun, doesn’t talk about his emotions, doesnt cook his own food, poors gasoline on open wounds and loves all things John Deere. To be fair he only has equipment from like 70’s - mid 90’s so he can still fix all his own stuff. I loved getting to drive the gator around as a kid too!
That's the thing. Farmers don't need to buy these new locked tractors. They can buy or refurbish old tractors. Either ones the own or someone else's unused tractors. Being industrial equipment, users tend to keep them until they have a serious problem. It's not like autos, where people upgrade because of the need to own the new model. This issue makes fixing tractors they'd normally replace more economically viable.
lokisgodhi but the problem is that some extremely large family owned farms aren’t able to keep up with old equipment, thus why there are new tractors and why the right to repair law exists.
@@lokisgodhi Yes, keeping old tractors and using them 25.000 hours and more is economically; on the one hand. On the other hand, you need tractors that are reliable. New trators with little hours on the clock tend to be more reliable than old ones. Plus today you'd want new tech in your tractor, like ISOBUS and autosteer. It's difficult to impossible to upgrade older ones. And apart form that, most farms are owenr/oparator businesses. And we rather spend 14 hours on a modern fancy tractor, than on an old goat. Check out "Fendt 1050" and "Valtra N 174D" for examples of state of the art models. I personally don't feel the need to get a John Deere. That right to repair discussion is just one of multiple reasons why I chose other brands.
It’s more like buying an Acura nsx and them telling you no, this actually a Bugatti if you touch any other other then the steering wheel, You void warranty... oh yeah p.s every fitting we use to make from metal we now make with non uv resistant plastic so it will break down and crumble off your machine and shut you down for a 4+ days at the worst possible time for a part that’s worth 2.79 😂😭but it’s not Deere that’s the issue there all like this now it’s like AI farming
@@mzaite true but Tesla has always been like that both Honda and John Deere have been a relatively user serviceable product up until recently with John Deere
Good job guys. I am an old-school Kansas farmer and a vocational-school-trained mechanic. I can say that Donut hit the nail on the head and that none of this is fake news.
Active Duty U.S. Marine here, and I have been an engineer equipment mechanic for 14 years now, and we use quite a few J.D. pieces of gear. Medium bulldozer, front end loader, tracked hydraulic excavator, runway sweeper, and either a fuel or water 600gpm pump powered by a J.D. engine. It's funny that this video was released so recently because I am actually in the process of repairing one of our J.D. powered vehicles. We are trying to get an ECM flashed with J.D. programming but the process is... arduous even for us. We have anywhere from a $10,500 to $30,000 electrical diagnostic system for our vehicles, but the J.D. Service Advisor software is not on any of it. We have to get approved to open purchase a $300 software flash from a local J.D. licensed dealer, that is about 120 miles from our base. I thought that was unusual, but it sounds like I have it easy compared to farmers.
James Pumphrey, you missed the coolest tractor that john deere has ever built. Please lookup "walking tractor timberjack by john deere" it's basically an AT-AT walker from StarWars. I saw it in person at the john deere museum in Moline Illinois and really don't want you to miss it.
Oh, so why can't the ACTUAL software engineers that went through college, courses etc. repair tractors? Oh, you need a special paper? Bullshit. I've been to a "hacker" repair shop where unauthorised mechanics repair John Deere stuff, because there is no dealerships for farmers nearby (and believe me, transporting a combine through country isn't an easy thing.) and I spoke to farmers on the site and some of them are repairing their stuff there for more than a decade without any problems.... until John Deere started to block ECU's after recognising someone unauthorised tampered with them.
@@Lazlo. not NEARLY as much. They're a conglomerate of Case, International, Caterpillar, Minneapolis Moline, and many others. They adapt and standardize, which keeps price down. John Deere is the Apple of the tractor world, whereas Case is like samsung and New Holland is like Huwei
Amazing to see Louis Rossmann cross over into a Donut Media video. Right to repair is a serious issue that needs more attention. It seemed like for too long Louis was the only one giving it true spotlight. Thanks guys!
Our local farmers have started buying either different brands,or more commonly, older tractors with no computer systems onboard. The company I work for got rid of all their new- new-ish (00's +) Deere tractors. A combination of the repair issue and slow customer service damn near crippled our harvest season and corporate damn near had a conniption. By the following season Deere tractors were gone from our local facilities.
almost all new tractors have autosteer nowadays. You can even get easy blot on devices that bolt straight to the steering wheel that do the same thing. Even for 30+ year old tractors.
I've grown up on a farm my whole life. My dad and my brother both farm. Mostly because of this channel actually, I've gotten into cars, it's really become a passion for me. So for you guys to do an episode on something so engrained in my past and my life is really really cool! And I was honestly a little worried you'd sound a bit amateur, but you guys did amazing. Love your writing, everyone at donut deserves the most epic hand hurting high five! Love you guys
This goes to show what great entertainers the guys at donut are, I have barely any more than zero interest in tractors and farming equipment, but I’ll happily sit here and watch this because I know for sure it’ll be interesting 😂
The issue with apple and John Deere is they won’t give authorization to a certified local dealer or repair shop. We don’t have this issue in the AC business… and yes ACs have gotten just as technical with programmed drive boards. The difference is AC manufacturers make businesses go through a process to the certify them as an authorized repair or installer. If this was this case with John Deere… the local business who is authorized to work on the equipment and knows the regulations will be liable if emissions are not set correctly or if their own repair caused more issues.
Growing up 40 minutes from Moline, this video is A: proof that everyone only see's Illinois as Chicago and B: why the rest of Illinois hates Chicago. Also it's pronounced Mo-Leen
This is a huge debate with the tech community as well. The right to repair is highly debated, large companies like apple and Microsoft come together and hire lobbyist to convince local representative to strike down right to repair. Companies like ifixit, Louis Rossmann repair group(UA-camr with a lot of great videos on this topic as well as john deer) and many small local repair shops spend their own money trying to pass these bills on behalf of the consumers. Apple is a large offend in this community because even if you buy genuine apple repair parts(which they don't sell) apple will stop part of the functionality of your phone because they want to be the only one to fix your phone and they will charge you 10x the price of the parts. Watch Louis Rossmann for more info.
If you know American farmers, you know they're never going to give up their John Deere for anything not American. It's a bit of a toxic mentality because American companies can fuck over their customers in ways like this.
Fendt also does not make a lot of equipment that is of the same scale that a lot of American farmers need. Rising cost and lower market values causes smaller farms to fail, so larger farms do better. Large farms can not afford or find help from the number of employees they need, so they buy larger equipment that can do the job. Fendt and non-domestic brands show up more on small farms or in hilly/mountainous areas where large farms can not exist.
Politics?... Because they don't want people farting around and making good equipment into bad equipment? They just wasn't to make sure (by controlling how, and by whom it is maintained and fixed) that it isn't screwed up enabling them with confidence to warranty/ guarantee proper operation....
Suppose that you were sitting down at a table. The napkins are in front of you, which napkin would you take? The one on your ‘left’? Or the one on your ‘right’? The one on your left side? Or the one on your right side? Usually you would take the one on your left side. That is ‘correct’ too. But in a larger sense on society, that is wrong. Perhaps I could even substitute ‘society’ with the ‘Universe’. The correct answer is that ‘It is determined by the one who takes his or her own napkin first.’ …Yes? If the first one takes the napkin to their right, then there’s no choice but for others to also take the ‘right’ napkin. The same goes for the left. Everyone else will take the napkin to their left, because they have no other option. This is ‘society’… Who are the ones that determine the price of land first? There must have been someone who determined the value of money, first. The size of the rails on a train track? The magnitude of electricity? Laws and Regulations? Who was the first to determine these things? Did we all do it, because this is a Republic? Or was it Arbitrary? NO! The one who took the napkin first determined all of these things! The rules of this world are determined by that same principle of ‘right or left?’! In a Society like this table, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, this World has been operating by this napkin principle. And the one who ‘takes the napkin first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers’. In the case of this table, the ‘eldest’ or the ‘Master of the party’ will take the napkin first… Because everyone ‘respects’ those
@@Trollofjom69 now if you excuse me i have to put together jesus corpse like a lego set while i escape from a crippled cowboy and his italian boyfriend
I've been looking into purchasing a compact tractor for a little while now, and for whatever reason the manufacturers don't list torque numbers. At the end of day I'm more concerned about how much torque it makes but that seems to pass right over their heads.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall Torque is how far you take the wall with you. For what it's worth, most attachments for equipment will generally recommend a hp rating for their particular implement. Torque is all about gear ratio and reduction (from the crankshaft to the flywheel or transmission to rear end). I could have a 500hp engine in my hot rod with 450 lb ft of torque, while my semi truck may have 565hp with 2200 lb ft of torque (gearing and reduction). Which one has more power? Depends on how much weight (how far you take the wall with you) you intend on moving.
obvs they have lots of torque but their size and power is still and always has been given in horsepower i have never once heard someone give the torque figure when asked about tractor power or size
Right to repair also affects the heavy truck industry significantly. Though most tuners and talented shops can purchase access to the software, there are also versions of the software that have been hacked and are in widespread use today. The first manufacturer to break this trend of trying to monopolize their repairs and ability to maintain their product will take over the industry. I'm a business owner, my truck making me money is what is important. Their attempt to squirell more money out of me to maintain their product means I have no intention of using it.
Yes, and the argument that an unqualified repairman could cause damage to the vehicle is absurd. Louis Rossman has demonstrated time and time again that licensed Apple repair shops can do an abysmal job that he's then given to fix. The solution is to make the documentation public so people can learn how to maintain their vehicles well. This is a big market niche.
CAT was first to do this. I was a MAC tool guy when CAT first came out with electronic controls. MY truck customers wanted a scan tool. CAT refused to allow anyone other than dealers to buy theirs and wouldn't allow anyone else to copy it. Truck customers then dropped CAT engines. CAT is still doing this. I've had that problem with a C15 on a dredge and switched to Cummins for replacement dredges.
7:50 it's 2020 and I am still throwing the bales in the wagon every harvests. It's like straw from 15 hectares but it is still a very hard work. Not mentioning sometimes the bales from wet hay.
My sympathies. I worked bail runs when I was 14 for some extra cash. To this day my shoulders and back twitch when I see someone running a bailer trailer in the field.
When James started talking about right to repair, I imagined a 60-some year-old gritty farmer with a beat up ThinkPad hooked up to his tractor console just HAMMERING at the keyboard
yeah, and with a crap ThinkPad hooked up to a 20 year old machine, he'll still get it fixed. (though it might take a little bit longer) On most of these machines, there are items that are almost "wear and tear" so you just know when a lift stops working that it's a certain $0.15 rubber o-ring. But when the rules in place state that you can't bring your machine back out of limp mode "legally" after you replaced it for the 4th time?
Just a heads up Caterpillar pours crazy money into the right to repair and is globally known for their customer support and parts availability. Also working for Cat sucks (former Cat warehousing employee)
ua-cam.com/video/EPYy_g8NzmI/v-deo.html is an article from 2018 on this... Unfortunately, the nebraska state congress decided after one hearing to table the bill.
@@stephenl2571 craftsman is very hit and miss. The older stuff is much better than new, generally speaking. I used to be a technician for Deere, now I have my own small engine repair shop.
Dude my grandpa is the manager of a Sydenstrickers, temporarily managed Moscow Mills Sydenstrickers and is also the parts manager, you can literally fucking buy parts there and replace it yourself. And also I've watched a dude replace a coupler bearing there after someone wanted him to at the warehouse, it took him 15 minutes and is very reasonably priced. I made 170 dollars mowing in Curryville Sydenstrickers, and they are not that restrictive on right to repair. Complain about how they don't care about their workers.
I grew up on a farm here in the great white north, and we had a lot of John Deere equipment. Our baler had that "bale ejector technology" (we just called it a kicker, but I don't know if that's the technical term for it), and it worked really well... as long as it didn't get stuck after throwing a bale. Which happened. A lot. But, that's farming for ya: if everything is going smoothly, wait 5 minutes. And this is just a small nitpick, but a lot of non-farmers don't know the difference between hay and straw. Hay is the blend of grasses & legumes (like clover, for instance) that gets fed to the animals; that part you nailed, full-stop. Straw, on the other hand, is the stem of the grain plant, gets used for bedding the animals' stalls & pens, and is typically much more disposable; it's much more likely to be used for haunted house mazes & soapbox derby courses than hay. Like I said, minor nitpick, but I thought I'd just let you know
Wasn't able to add this to your pinned post. But here's my take: It's REALLY interesting you've gotten into this area. Deere is one of the most innovative companies that actually DO enhance agriculture cultivation. Farmers, and that is absolutely going to include some very big companies with their bleeding corporate farms, are going to get involved, but likely not care much since they'll be pricing the repair contracts over hiring qualified technicians. But for the (honestly struggling) family or even small Limited Partnership farms that would REALLY like to use the most innovative tech Deere offers but not have to trim their profit margins with yearly investment in maintenance contracts, it delivers a tremendous problem. It's both mechanical and digital, these damn things. And it would seem difficult to uncouple them. But I don't see why. Deere is honestly, as you state, tarnishing their reputation as a friend of the American farmer. It's opening up players like Komatsu, Kubota, and old guard companies like Holland et al, to get deeper into the game, and grab some market share in the advanced equipment market. It's not going to work out for them in the long run, I feel. They need to do what the car makers did, license and open up the market to other manufacturers under license agreements. It's just greedy, what's going on. And not helping the people who need it the most.
Just Aguy I kinda agree with you. But on the other hand, do you really want some “know-it-all mechanic neighbor” to have acces at software level on a self-driving 20-25 tonne tractor? For example, I’ve seen for myself software to delete fault codes without fixing the problem. Untraceable to find unless you get deep in the code of the software. Fault codes you can delete on a passenger airbag for example, never to be found unless you guessed it it does not deploy in an accident. Keep in mind without regulations their will always be people taking shortcuts to save money. So what happens if a computer module fails on this self driving tractor. Buy a new module and maybe have a bill of 5k, or just delete the fault without fully understanding what will happen to other potential safety systems? And next year the tractor decides to go mental?
@@Mark-vn7et I get it, there's pitfalls in each direction. Again, the answer may be to open licensing to repair/reprogram modules. It's the old adage, the smarter stuff gets, the more involved it is to maintain.
Just Aguy but that’s kind of the issue, if you give “normal people” acces to those systems who knows what they will do? If a module fails it not because of the software but because something in the module fails, so then you can replace it, or differt/delete the problem without fundamentaly understanding the outcome. Maybe a half way solution is better, let John Deere sell parts to customers, they can repair it and have an “mobile tech” with a van go the farm with the equipment to diagnose/delete the software. This way you can assure the repair is done correctly without any monkey business.
Just Aguy living in a perfect world? How long do you think it will take until you can buy a hacked version on aliexpress for 100 bucks? No license required what so ever
Yeah, sadly I'm gonna buy an iPhone for something work related (a service we use has an app that only works on iPhones) I'm getting a used one, most likely with a broken screen, but I still hate that I gotta do it.
I’m a farmer and we don’t buy John Deere for this reason. I’m also pretty into tech and watch Louis Rossman all the time. John Deere could put a system in place to allow new parts to be added and only throw errors if something is actually going wrong. Things like this can kill small farms, they can only afford so many of these outrageous repair costs.
John Deere is trying to kill the small farmer (and I am a green fan.) They own smaller companies that buy up farm land that comes up for sale. There won’t be such a thing as 500-1000 acre farmers in 35-40 years
I'm gonna disagree John deere is completely different in Canada the prices you pay are high but for good reason they don't stop running and the invasion is far superior to other brands
I've drove several growing up in TN and Im not a farmer nor is my family tho we are the odd people with a small used carlot that we rebuild wrecks and lots of diesel trucks and a mini ex
As someone who worked for one of the largest New Holland dealers in the USA it’s $145 an hour to have a mechanic come out, not including parts so if you live 2 hours away from the dealership which is not uncommon and the programming of the new part takes an hour you will be charged for 5 hours bc ride time is billed
Does anyone else actually agree with John Deere regarding right to fix?
No 😂
Nope
No
Never
There so expensive they should be able to fix it.
Anyone should have the right to modify anything they own as long as it meets regulations. But... Any manufacturer should reserve the right to void the warranty if done so.
Problem is they wont let their owners use the computer to do diagnostics.
Did not expect the Welkers watching Donut Media, but this is farming related....
Was not expecting you here
Isn’t that the way it is now ? John Deere will only guarantee that the product works properly if they are involved. I see a problem if JD puts in features that stalls working equipment unless you pay them to unlock it. (This is not intended to be an upsetting comment).
@@nubreed13 that's not entirely true. They can purchase the hardware and software (much like a dealership does) but it ultimately is cost prohibitive unless you want to start working on tractors all day and stop farming.
I get where JD is coming from. Alot of time and $ goes into the development of any product. The high tech machines we have now or even 25 years ago are expensive to design and build. You want to fix it? Go ahead and buy the software. Don't think that just bc they built a tractor there isn't an entire division of electrical engineers, softaare designers, programmers and others involved that still have to be paid and continue developing new products.
Btw, thank the us epa if you really have a problem with it. Without increasing demands for cleaner engines with increased efficiency we would still be running the old black smoke spewing tractors of yester year.
I'm happy that Donut is covering something that is actually an issue for people.
People don’t realize this isn’t just an issue for farmers. If John Deere can take away the right to repair, what can automotive companies do?
Edit: I get it. Other companies are doing it too. The point is it’s still illegal because in the US we have the Right to Repair law. If they let John Deere get away with it, all the other companies can too.
Exactly, the whole software argument is ridiculous especially considering that the world is going to electric everything.
Tesla has been doing it since they started as well.
If you enter into a contract, ought you honor that contract?
@@prairiefarmer5994 uhhh things they are already doing? lol
Hey James, fun tidbit real quick. As a farmer in south Alabama, there’s a big movement from the smaller farmers, those that don’t have 50,000 acres in Nebraska, to buy older tractors. We run 13 total in our operation and the newest being a 1992 Case Magnum. The “Right to Repair” battle has caused farmers to stray away from newer and often times safer equipment for things they can repair without going bankrupt. Even Deere’s more “every man” oriented tractors are still pushing $80,000 by the time your done paying interest.
I was actually thinking about this as well. Welker Farms for example use the old Big Buds.
Has there been any price change on the used tractoes market?
I definitely don't have 50,000 acres but in Nebraska as far as us ranchers go it's the same. All the tractors we work don't have canopies and most have no fan covers. The huge majority are from the 70s to 50s in terms of manufacturing years.
John Deere is still making new non computerized tractors out of Mexico and India. Probably not exporting to the US tho. Available to 3rd world countries for now. Can be repaired by non-dealers but need to get parts from dealers
The same issue is going on in the UK agricultural machinery dealers have suffered really low sales for at least two or three years since 2016 as most tractors tend to be more expensive to buy and run as most new tractors have to have add blue systems to cut emissions in the UK and they are a lot more complex to fix. They are also a bit bigger than the tractors brought out 20 years ago and the issue with this is that they can't easily get down the narrow roads/lanes and sometimes the gates to the fields.
My family farm only runs older tractors that we can fix are selves the new equipment we run at work has thrown codes with under 100 hours they don’t make modern equipment to last because they know that it will break and they can make more off the owner the newer equipment I have run has had way more problems than the tractors we run on the farm
This issue is massive, with repercussions that affect the bottom lines of farmers everywhere. Farming is really a game of timing everything. You have a very narrow window to properly do each task, whether it is seeding, spraying, or harvesting; if you are outside of the ideal window it will hurt your profits.
By needing to wait for "techs" to come out and reset your computer or make a minor fix that 10 years ago you could do yourself the cost is in the thousands.
I don't know any farmers that support John deere on this issue.
Especially on weekends, you know your fucked if you have to call them
The current john deere's stance on being anti repair is destroying their reputation with the farmers.
It dun been wrecked
Same with consumers and their markup on licenced products
That and quality control.
I agree, my dad's a farmer with old deere equipment. But not me, I'm becoming a youtuber i guess with my new channel about trucks in the mountain where there are no farms. We sill own the family farm though, dad still works it
I only need point out Harley Davidson if you think junk won't sell in the US simply bc of legacy
"I've never driven a tractor but I've driven like a million Gators."
I think that's how Florida works
John Deere Gators with gators in the back
Comander Mcgarrett John Deere Gators with gators in the back with gator hats on
I’ve never driven a gator but I’ve driven a lot of tractors
Lol
I'm from Florida and can confirm this to be true
JAMES WHY DIDN'T YOU PUT OUT THEM RIDICULOUS TORQUE SPECS?!?!?!
Rightttttt?
They are kinda unmeasurable, tourqe can be altered user to user.
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Other than appreciating a lot your storytelling style and speech, I've been always fascinated from the JD brand. I'm italian, grew in the countryside and not directly me but when someone's dad owned a JD tractor in his farm industry it was like for city boys to have their dad owning a Mercedes AMG. Nice to learn some history about this iconic brand!
Thank you for your life story
Heard "Right to Repair", started thinking about Louis Rossman, and all of a sudden the legend himself appears. Crossovers you never thought would happen
What is this a crossover episode?
Louis is the best
The only reason to love donut is that they give content about all stuff over automobiles. They are not limited to sports cars and super cars. Keep it up james,nolan,jeremiah and jobe
they all have J's some where in thier names.... Nolan *J* Sykes, for example....
Make an Up to Speed on J's Racing
Agreed!!
@@ryanroberts3793 well that's also true
"Im a bit of an amatuer farmer myself" Pretty sure James was just saying he grows weed.
Nice! Didn't pick that out haha
He even uses a radio model controlled tractor because he's serious about authenticity.
Not everyone is a dopehead
@@llkjjjss Ok red foreman, it was just a joke haha
😂😂
The Up To Speed series has always been our favorite on your channel. Once again, we learn more information and history in such an easy-to-understand way. Thanks, Donut!
My grandpa is a cattle and hay farmer. He’s old school. Gets up with the sun, doesn’t talk about his emotions, doesnt cook his own food, poors gasoline on open wounds and loves all things John Deere. To be fair he only has equipment from like 70’s - mid 90’s so he can still fix all his own stuff. I loved getting to drive the gator around as a kid too!
Lol @ doesn’t talk about his feelings
That's the thing. Farmers don't need to buy these new locked tractors. They can buy or refurbish old tractors. Either ones the own or someone else's unused tractors. Being industrial equipment, users tend to keep them until they have a serious problem. It's not like autos, where people upgrade because of the need to own the new model. This issue makes fixing tractors they'd normally replace more economically viable.
lokisgodhi but the problem is that some extremely large family owned farms aren’t able to keep up with old equipment, thus why there are new tractors and why the right to repair law exists.
@@lokisgodhi Yes, keeping old tractors and using them 25.000 hours and more is economically; on the one hand. On the other hand, you need tractors that are reliable. New trators with little hours on the clock tend to be more reliable than old ones. Plus today you'd want new tech in your tractor, like ISOBUS and autosteer. It's difficult to impossible to upgrade older ones. And apart form that, most farms are owenr/oparator businesses. And we rather spend 14 hours on a modern fancy tractor, than on an old goat. Check out "Fendt 1050" and "Valtra N 174D" for examples of state of the art models.
I personally don't feel the need to get a John Deere. That right to repair discussion is just one of multiple reasons why I chose other brands.
pours gasoline on open wounds? That can't be sanitary
Literally, James only made this episode so he could say “More plowah...” 👏
Imagine straight up buying a Honda just for Honda motor company to be like "yeah if you fix your car yourself we're going to sue you"
Me with my bum ass civic
It’s more like buying an Acura nsx and them telling you no, this actually a Bugatti if you touch any other other then the steering wheel, You void warranty... oh yeah p.s every fitting we use to make from metal we now make with non uv resistant plastic so it will break down and crumble off your machine and shut you down for a 4+ days at the worst possible time for a part that’s worth 2.79 😂😭but it’s not Deere that’s the issue there all like this now it’s like AI farming
lol u dont even needa fix a honda sometimes, just let that puppy roll and it'll be fine.
Oh you mean like a Tesla?
@@mzaite true but Tesla has always been like that both Honda and John Deere have been a relatively user serviceable product up until recently with John Deere
Good job guys.
I am an old-school Kansas farmer and a vocational-school-trained mechanic. I can say that Donut hit the nail on the head and that none of this is fake news.
Active Duty U.S. Marine here, and I have been an engineer equipment mechanic for 14 years now, and we use quite a few J.D. pieces of gear. Medium bulldozer, front end loader, tracked hydraulic excavator, runway sweeper, and either a fuel or water 600gpm pump powered by a J.D. engine. It's funny that this video was released so recently because I am actually in the process of repairing one of our J.D. powered vehicles. We are trying to get an ECM flashed with J.D. programming but the process is... arduous even for us. We have anywhere from a $10,500 to $30,000 electrical diagnostic system for our vehicles, but the J.D. Service Advisor software is not on any of it. We have to get approved to open purchase a $300 software flash from a local J.D. licensed dealer, that is about 120 miles from our base. I thought that was unusual, but it sounds like I have it easy compared to farmers.
You have a mechanical engineer degree?
JD should prob be careful then. Nothing makes the US Military more salted than needing to spend more money tractor tech
@@Czarhuisteco not yet, working on it. Active duty does not leave much time for that, work, and family.
@@Czarhuisteco I think he's saying that he's a mechanic on equipment used by an engineering unit.
@@GMAN142006 Good luck!
Everyone else: He was born in 1892
James: 103 yEarS BeForE PosT MalOne was born
Don't mock the definitive way to measure time
Venatus Gullebulle hilarious use of mixed capitalization. Very humorous 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Well because that’s the only accurate type of measurement
103 P.M.
Year 103, Pre Malone.
LMAO that crack me up
You should use "Pre-malone" and "post-malone" as your measurement of years.
2020 a.d is too high of a number. 25 p.m is and easy number.
I'm going to do my part and try to spread the word on every video
In the year 103 Pre-Malone....
I'm not even really into cars and stuff but I've been binging this channel lately because James is such a good presenter.
Simply put, we need a national "right to repair" law.
We have one
Louis Rossmann is fighting for that,right to repair electronic device and tractor
It's sad that companies will screw people until they legally can't.
Here, hear
@@chrisfloyd7316 thank the uni party
I live in a city but James is convincing enough that I’m considering a full-size John Deere tractor as my daily...
I remember Deer also
😂 😂
Just get a Gator
Buy a Dodge with a cummins 5.9 in it. Same engine is used in multiple JD tractors
Deer 🦌 God
James Pumphrey, you missed the coolest tractor that john deere has ever built. Please lookup "walking tractor timberjack by john deere" it's basically an AT-AT walker from StarWars. I saw it in person at the john deere museum in Moline Illinois and really don't want you to miss it.
5hat thing is wiiild
Lol this is awesome, thanks
Stuff of nightmares!
That’s some Avatar type shit vro
That thing walks so slow
Normal people: uses current year to measure how long ago somthing was
Donut: uses the year post malone was born in.
Wasn’t sure how James was gonna cover right to repair. Surprised and delighted he included Louis in this video.
What time stamp?
Ok but they should have called the farm crisis “Farmageddon”. Just saying
Agreed
FARMGATE
Farmageddon is Iowa State vs Kstate duh
I associate that word very very much with Farmtruck and AZN though
The last thing I expected from Donut was to see "Up to Speed" on Tractors.
Would have been better to call it "Up to Torque"
JCB made a tractor do 90mph
Shoulda been called "Up to No Good". Crap history lesson. First and last video I'll watch from him.
@izphuzzy the issue is not late 90s tractors here. This is for new equipment that isn't paid off yet. Once it's paid off, it's all yours
What I've learned here.
John deers history and that it's the apple of farming.
Until now, Apple released a self-repair program
John Deere is the Ferrari of tractors
Not on performance though, on lawsuits definitely
Oh, so why can't the ACTUAL software engineers that went through college, courses etc. repair tractors? Oh, you need a special paper? Bullshit. I've been to a "hacker" repair shop where unauthorised mechanics repair John Deere stuff, because there is no dealerships for farmers nearby (and believe me, transporting a combine through country isn't an easy thing.) and I spoke to farmers on the site and some of them are repairing their stuff there for more than a decade without any problems.... until John Deere started to block ECU's after recognising someone unauthorised tampered with them.
There’s a reason farmers are going back to older models.
I have a newer john deere, but if it breaks I break out the model B and git shit done
Do other companies like Case IH have these regulations?
Small tractor market is now Dominated by Mahindra...
@@Lazlo. not NEARLY as much. They're a conglomerate of Case, International, Caterpillar, Minneapolis Moline, and many others. They adapt and standardize, which keeps price down. John Deere is the Apple of the tractor world, whereas Case is like samsung and New Holland is like Huwei
John Deere & Apple. Perfect comparison
Amazing to see Louis Rossmann cross over into a Donut Media video. Right to repair is a serious issue that needs more attention. It seemed like for too long Louis was the only one giving it true spotlight. Thanks guys!
Our local farmers have started buying either different brands,or more commonly, older tractors with no computer systems onboard.
The company I work for got rid of all their new- new-ish (00's +) Deere tractors. A combination of the repair issue and slow customer service damn near crippled our harvest season and corporate damn near had a conniption. By the following season Deere tractors were gone from our local facilities.
Good, let Deere suffer from the democracy of capitalism. Thank goodness for consumer choice.
I have always appreciated delicious lawn formulas.
Milo eh 🤔 throw er down eh
Simply put, we need a national "right to repair" law.
Starting Spring 2021 I'm gunna start eating all my dandelions.
It's got electrolytes! That's what plants crave!
Gots to have dem electrolytez
*"JOHN DEERE: A Controversial American Icon | Up To Seed"* should be the title for this one
That is the title
@@farmerboy9029 up to speed and up to seed is the difference
@@farmerboy9029 Get reading son...
Didn’t notice up to SEED at first, that is good
Agreed
And now we’re doing an Up To Speed on John Deere.
Yep the best tractor brand
Yep
Jefferson Liston pre 80s Massey Ferguson was the best
2020 everyone
Quite slow
almost all new tractors have autosteer nowadays. You can even get easy blot on devices that bolt straight to the steering wheel that do the same thing. Even for 30+ year old tractors.
I've grown up on a farm my whole life. My dad and my brother both farm. Mostly because of this channel actually, I've gotten into cars, it's really become a passion for me. So for you guys to do an episode on something so engrained in my past and my life is really really cool! And I was honestly a little worried you'd sound a bit amateur, but you guys did amazing. Love your writing, everyone at donut deserves the most epic hand hurting high five! Love you guys
He mispronounced Moline but got Illinois right, so we'll let the downright catastrophic Moline blunder slide
"engrained" lol
This goes to show what great entertainers the guys at donut are, I have barely any more than zero interest in tractors and farming equipment, but I’ll happily sit here and watch this because I know for sure it’ll be interesting 😂
Exactly what I said! Donut is great!
The issue with apple and John Deere is they won’t give authorization to a certified local dealer or repair shop. We don’t have this issue in the AC business… and yes ACs have gotten just as technical with programmed drive boards. The difference is AC manufacturers make businesses go through a process to the certify them as an authorized repair or installer. If this was this case with John Deere… the local business who is authorized to work on the equipment and knows the regulations will be liable if emissions are not set correctly or if their own repair caused more issues.
James legit just made history about tractors interesting. I feel like James can make anything interesting
It’s an interesting history, he just put a spotlight on it. Love this channel
But tractors are interesting
6420 is a good tractor.
@RootstownFarms Expect a Fiatagri or a Valtra
@RootstownFarms Any tractor is good unless it is a kubota
Are we getting an Up To Speed on Caterpillar soon then? Also missed out on the Deere construction branch
Day 205 of asking James to do an Up to speed on his Dad
Edit: I’m late, I know, wasn’t expecting an early video...
My hero
Ahh the legend is here good
Day 10 of supporting PaganiGaming
Day 1 of supporting pagani gaming
Yeah even me
@Donut huge update !!!
Check out the very recent bill that passed of Colorado's House for farmers to repair agriculture equipment
btw, thanks for pinning my original comment 2 years ago
Growing up 40 minutes from Moline, this video is A: proof that everyone only see's Illinois as Chicago and B: why the rest of Illinois hates Chicago. Also it's pronounced Mo-Leen
Yes man you are so total right gibson ill 👍
Thank you, I’m from Andalusia but have lived in both moline and rock island
Illinois is a suburb of Chicago 😂😂
Chicago, the armpit of Illinois
East Mo baby
If this gets 10 likes they have to do catapiller
but which catapillar ... catapilllar or Caterpillar
Shake Hands With Danger
Cat power baby
@@Name-cy8ym nig ba
Klaas
Hey James you forgot to even talk about the hacker groups that have been hired by the farmers so they can fix there own tractors
He also forgot that you can buy the program, you have to be trained to use it and fix your tractor.
Before you criticize a dude for forgetting a small detail, make sure you spell tractors correctly😂
Hoyt Benson lol just saw that. thanks iPhone auto correct so good much wow
Steven LaFrance ah yes, much convenient
@@StevenLaFrance you neglected to correct the grammar tho lol
The gator logo that you used for the gator aid section is my school’s logo, CLS Gators!
An Up to Speed on JD? Now we need one on Case IH
And kubota
Merlyn Wayman “kubota” lmao
Please no.
And Allis Chalmers
So glad you included us farmers! Love your show!
soon as I hear "right to repair" I knew Louis Rossman would show up at one point.
Dude, your in depth knowledge of deere co. Is freaking awesome.
Dude they have a team of researcers working on research before each epit.
Nothing runs like a Deere, especially when it's being chased by a CAT
You know why they're green and yellow, right? So they can hide in the cornfield when the Cat goes by.
And crosses a Ford
Lol
reminder that Caterpillar makes locomotives
Or a Magnum
This is a huge debate with the tech community as well. The right to repair is highly debated, large companies like apple and Microsoft come together and hire lobbyist to convince local representative to strike down right to repair. Companies like ifixit, Louis Rossmann repair group(UA-camr with a lot of great videos on this topic as well as john deer) and many small local repair shops spend their own money trying to pass these bills on behalf of the consumers. Apple is a large offend in this community because even if you buy genuine apple repair parts(which they don't sell) apple will stop part of the functionality of your phone because they want to be the only one to fix your phone and they will charge you 10x the price of the parts. Watch Louis Rossmann for more info.
So.. I didn't finish the video until after the comment
i imagine John Deere would be churning in his grave right now knowing what his company has been doing to modern farmers
Nice
A lot of company founders would be saying that now
True
@@mrkingofhaha he made them less advanced, not less reliable. This was to make them more affordable to farmers of the time.
Actuly not have the right to repair your tractor is only a thing in America. Becouse its the only place were you can Lobby the shit out of everybody
"Hey not so fast there pal not all of our pizza is deep some of it is really thin and crispy.. no tomatoes lol"
This brands politics is why Fendt seems to be going better than ever...
Großtraktor :v
If you know American farmers, you know they're never going to give up their John Deere for anything not American. It's a bit of a toxic mentality because American companies can fuck over their customers in ways like this.
Fendt also does not make a lot of equipment that is of the same scale that a lot of American farmers need. Rising cost and lower market values causes smaller farms to fail, so larger farms do better. Large farms can not afford or find help from the number of employees they need, so they buy larger equipment that can do the job. Fendt and non-domestic brands show up more on small farms or in hilly/mountainous areas where large farms can not exist.
Patrick Roush you make a pretty good point
Politics?... Because they don't want people farting around and making good equipment into bad equipment? They just wasn't to make sure (by controlling how, and by whom it is maintained and fixed) that it isn't screwed up enabling them with confidence to warranty/ guarantee proper operation....
Farmers playing with the gators reminds me of how bored cattle ranchers started shooting each other with cattle markers and VOLIA paintball was born!!
ahahah what a fun fact. Btw it's voilà.
That's an awesome tidbit
Car show to John Deere donut media has come a long way.
8:05 Hay go *Y E E T*
As a Moline resident, it’s pronounced “Mo-Leen”. I know it’s weird, Illinois is weird, we have a town called Orion, but it’s pronounced “Or-ee-un”
Lol thanks, I’m on the other side of the river in Davenport and was going to say something
@@calciumphosphate3177former Bettendorf resident here
I'm from Moline too live in Bettendorf now!!
Former Galesburg resident.
That is because it was formerly French
Imagine how many inventions would be lost today if napkins wouldn't exist.
Suppose that you were sitting down at a table. The napkins are in front of you, which napkin would you take? The one on your ‘left’? Or the one on your ‘right’? The one on your left side? Or the one on your right side? Usually you would take the one on your left side. That is ‘correct’ too. But in a larger sense on society, that is wrong. Perhaps I could even substitute ‘society’ with the ‘Universe’. The correct answer is that ‘It is determined by the one who takes his or her own napkin first.’ …Yes? If the first one takes the napkin to their right, then there’s no choice but for others to also take the ‘right’ napkin. The same goes for the left. Everyone else will take the napkin to their left, because they have no other option. This is ‘society’… Who are the ones that determine the price of land first? There must have been someone who determined the value of money, first. The size of the rails on a train track? The magnitude of electricity? Laws and Regulations? Who was the first to determine these things? Did we all do it, because this is a Republic? Or was it Arbitrary? NO! The one who took the napkin first determined all of these things! The rules of this world are determined by that same principle of ‘right or left?’! In a Society like this table, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, this World has been operating by this napkin principle. And the one who ‘takes the napkin first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers’. In the case of this table, the ‘eldest’ or the ‘Master of the party’ will take the napkin first… Because everyone ‘respects’ those
@@ImponteDeluxo shit man, definitely didn’t expect to read this at 2am, but was really eye opening
@@Trollofjom69
now if you excuse me i have to put together jesus corpse like a lego set while i escape from a crippled cowboy and his italian boyfriend
Or if us whites and asians didnt exist
@@cheekybloke9836 Basically.
I love how James uses “before post Malone was born” as a time stamp
Who is this Post Malone he keeps talking about? Even my kids don’t know
Pops Smith ugly and smelly rapper.
He looks like a public toilet stall wall
@@pops55650 One of the most talented and popular artists of the modern generation.
@@jadelees5671 how u know he’s smelly 💀
so happy David Rossman is getting things done in the right to repair front.
I wish he’d stop mentioning Horsepower and mention how many Torques they have. THEYRE TRACTORS BRO!
I've been looking into purchasing a compact tractor for a little while now, and for whatever reason the manufacturers don't list torque numbers. At the end of day I'm more concerned about how much torque it makes but that seems to pass right over their heads.
If it helps, the last tractor that made 620 hp has 3800 lb ft of torque
I was thinking the same thing. 3800 lb ft of torque is so much more impressive than 620 HP.
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall
Torque is how far you take the wall with you.
For what it's worth, most attachments for equipment will generally recommend a hp rating for their particular implement.
Torque is all about gear ratio and reduction (from the crankshaft to the flywheel or transmission to rear end). I could have a 500hp engine in my hot rod with 450 lb ft of torque, while my semi truck may have 565hp with 2200 lb ft of torque (gearing and reduction). Which one has more power? Depends on how much weight (how far you take the wall with you) you intend on moving.
obvs they have lots of torque but their size and power is still and always has been given in horsepower i have never once heard someone give the torque figure when asked about tractor power or size
Fun fact: I'm watching this from a Deere facility in Waterloo.
Fun Fact: Your about a hour and a half from me.
@@BigIronFab Iowa gang rise up
i grew up in dsm/waterloo and just moved to moline/rock island. quad cities car scene is way underrated
Cool stuff, man. I regularly pick up people's vehicles from there to get worked on at my dealership.
I'm from sask
Where is PaganiGaming counting the days he's been asking for Up To Speed on Jame's Dad
whom shall carry on the tradition
Pagani where are you?????
Hes been asking for half a year, and james doesnt even bother to do it. so pagani just go give up
They might do it for April Fool's
Early upload so he might not know
We need an episode on International Harvester/ Case IH now
Right to repair also affects the heavy truck industry significantly. Though most tuners and talented shops can purchase access to the software, there are also versions of the software that have been hacked and are in widespread use today.
The first manufacturer to break this trend of trying to monopolize their repairs and ability to maintain their product will take over the industry.
I'm a business owner, my truck making me money is what is important. Their attempt to squirell more money out of me to maintain their product means I have no intention of using it.
Yes, and the argument that an unqualified repairman could cause damage to the vehicle is absurd. Louis Rossman has demonstrated time and time again that licensed Apple repair shops can do an abysmal job that he's then given to fix. The solution is to make the documentation public so people can learn how to maintain their vehicles well.
This is a big market niche.
CAT was first to do this. I was a MAC tool guy when CAT first came out with electronic controls. MY truck customers wanted a scan tool. CAT refused to allow anyone other than dealers to buy theirs and wouldn't allow anyone else to copy it. Truck customers then dropped CAT engines. CAT is still doing this. I've had that problem with a C15 on a dredge and switched to Cummins for replacement dredges.
Here in Sweden we use to call them "John Dyr", and dyr means expensive. They are good tractors though, even if they are a bit costly
Wonder if that's why sometimes in English we use "dear" to mean something's expensive. Didn't know it had that meaning in Swedish.
Varför betala 500k mer för en traktor 🤷♂️
En volvo bm räcker ju
Volvo BM är skit
John Deere är tyr av en anledning du får ju betala mer för kvalitet
Was waiting to see if he mentioned Rossman, and he did. What a hero.
7:50 it's 2020 and I am still throwing the bales in the wagon every harvests. It's like straw from 15 hectares but it is still a very hard work. Not mentioning sometimes the bales from wet hay.
My sympathies. I worked bail runs when I was 14 for some extra cash. To this day my shoulders and back twitch when I see someone running a bailer trailer in the field.
Things we need an Up To Speed on: Ford Torino, Ford Flacon, Chevy Nova, Plymouth Road Runner, Oldsmobile 442, Mercedes 190e Evo2, Roush, Yenko
Ford Falcon yessss great history outside the US
Santiago Argüello “the 4 door supercharged Mustang gt”
For the Merc it'd have to be the E190 cosworth, then the Evo then Evo II (gotta have the whole family)
I can still hear my uncle teaching me about tractors at a tractor show some years back. Now he in the sky on his farm and hunting deer
this comment makes me sad
may he rest in piece. he’s in the most beautiful field now
If i bought something with MY $
I'LL BE DAMNED IF SOMEONE GETS TO TELL ME WHETHER I CAN FIX IT OR NOT
I bought it, its not yours anymore
Case closed
But a lot of the ‘bought’ tractors are on finance agreements. What about then?
ya it should have safety trips built in for that, THAT YOU CAN RESET. like a house or a robot welder
can you or anyone access the ECU software on a C8 corvette? no. same thing.
@@masondatkinson Yes, you can
@@OneEyeDollar6 why can no one tune them yet?
The way that bailer just friggin yeets that bail is so comical
Laughed way too hard at "Mo' Plowah Babeh".
When James started talking about right to repair, I imagined a 60-some year-old gritty farmer with a beat up ThinkPad hooked up to his tractor console just HAMMERING at the keyboard
yeah, and with a crap ThinkPad hooked up to a 20 year old machine, he'll still get it fixed. (though it might take a little bit longer) On most of these machines, there are items that are almost "wear and tear" so you just know when a lift stops working that it's a certain $0.15 rubber o-ring. But when the rules in place state that you can't bring your machine back out of limp mode "legally" after you replaced it for the 4th time?
Idk if yall know any farmers but they almost automatically know what is wrong with their tractor as soon as something fucks up
@@joneubanks9686Above o-ring comment is personal knowledge, haha!
@@knappyfro1 respect.
@@knappyfro1 oh shit yeah
So glad I watched this and found out about the right to repair issue.
I will be buying a different brand mower and lawn tools
Just a heads up Caterpillar pours crazy money into the right to repair and is globally known for their customer support and parts availability.
Also working for Cat sucks (former Cat warehousing employee)
ua-cam.com/video/EPYy_g8NzmI/v-deo.html is an article from 2018 on this... Unfortunately, the nebraska state congress decided after one hearing to table the bill.
Might just go craftsman, anything dirty in them? Lol haven’t bought one yet
@@stephenl2571 craftsman is very hit and miss. The older stuff is much better than new, generally speaking. I used to be a technician for Deere, now I have my own small engine repair shop.
@@stephenl2571 you could buy used from a independent person, youare only really suporting deere if you buy new or from a dealer
Dude my grandpa is the manager of a Sydenstrickers, temporarily managed Moscow Mills Sydenstrickers and is also the parts manager, you can literally fucking buy parts there and replace it yourself. And also I've watched a dude replace a coupler bearing there after someone wanted him to at the warehouse, it took him 15 minutes and is very reasonably priced. I made 170 dollars mowing in Curryville Sydenstrickers, and they are not that restrictive on right to repair. Complain about how they don't care about their workers.
The guy starting his tractor then giving that stare..priceless.. lol
I need that Pop Up and Down Headlights Ringtone ASAP
That's a freaking great idea
ua-cam.com/video/Dm1J42mnKho/v-deo.html
Paganigaming, where u at? You're the hero we need
He probably wasn't prepared to comment since they posted earlier than usual.
Hour and 50 minutes earlier than usual 😂😂
@@shai420ful fair enough lol
Yeah they’re right...I wasn’t ready for an early video🙁
Here he is
I grew up on a farm here in the great white north, and we had a lot of John Deere equipment. Our baler had that "bale ejector technology" (we just called it a kicker, but I don't know if that's the technical term for it), and it worked really well... as long as it didn't get stuck after throwing a bale. Which happened. A lot. But, that's farming for ya: if everything is going smoothly, wait 5 minutes.
And this is just a small nitpick, but a lot of non-farmers don't know the difference between hay and straw. Hay is the blend of grasses & legumes (like clover, for instance) that gets fed to the animals; that part you nailed, full-stop. Straw, on the other hand, is the stem of the grain plant, gets used for bedding the animals' stalls & pens, and is typically much more disposable; it's much more likely to be used for haunted house mazes & soapbox derby courses than hay. Like I said, minor nitpick, but I thought I'd just let you know
Wasn't able to add this to your pinned post. But here's my take:
It's REALLY interesting you've gotten into this area. Deere is one of the most innovative companies that actually DO enhance agriculture cultivation. Farmers, and that is absolutely going to include some very big companies with their bleeding corporate farms, are going to get involved, but likely not care much since they'll be pricing the repair contracts over hiring qualified technicians. But for the (honestly struggling) family or even small Limited Partnership farms that would REALLY like to use the most innovative tech Deere offers but not have to trim their profit margins with yearly investment in maintenance contracts, it delivers a tremendous problem. It's both mechanical and digital, these damn things. And it would seem difficult to uncouple them. But I don't see why. Deere is honestly, as you state, tarnishing their reputation as a friend of the American farmer. It's opening up players like Komatsu, Kubota, and old guard companies like Holland et al, to get deeper into the game, and grab some market share in the advanced equipment market. It's not going to work out for them in the long run, I feel. They need to do what the car makers did, license and open up the market to other manufacturers under license agreements. It's just greedy, what's going on. And not helping the people who need it the most.
Just Aguy I kinda agree with you. But on the other hand, do you really want some “know-it-all mechanic neighbor” to have acces at software level on a self-driving 20-25 tonne tractor? For example, I’ve seen for myself software to delete fault codes without fixing the problem. Untraceable to find unless you get deep in the code of the software. Fault codes you can delete on a passenger airbag for example, never to be found unless you guessed it it does not deploy in an accident. Keep in mind without regulations their will always be people taking shortcuts to save money.
So what happens if a computer module fails on this self driving tractor. Buy a new module and maybe have a bill of 5k, or just delete the fault without fully understanding what will happen to other potential safety systems? And next year the tractor decides to go mental?
@@Mark-vn7et I get it, there's pitfalls in each direction. Again, the answer may be to open licensing to repair/reprogram modules. It's the old adage, the smarter stuff gets, the more involved it is to maintain.
Just Aguy but that’s kind of the issue, if you give “normal people” acces to those systems who knows what they will do? If a module fails it not because of the software but because something in the module fails, so then you can replace it, or differt/delete the problem without fundamentaly understanding the outcome.
Maybe a half way solution is better, let John Deere sell parts to customers, they can repair it and have an “mobile tech” with a van go the farm with the equipment to diagnose/delete the software. This way you can assure the repair is done correctly without any monkey business.
@@Mark-vn7et Licensing is not giving "normal people" access, it's qualifying technicians to service them.
Just Aguy living in a perfect world? How long do you think it will take until you can buy a hacked version on aliexpress for 100 bucks? No license required what so ever
"We should probably start at the beginning"
-James 2020
Apple, Tesla, John Deere, "you don't need to fix it just buy a new one"
Wanna know how much does a 8000 series tractor costs? If u wanna pay 200.000 +$
Yeah, sadly I'm gonna buy an iPhone for something work related (a service we use has an app that only works on iPhones) I'm getting a used one, most likely with a broken screen, but I still hate that I gotta do it.
18:08 he says "amateur farmer" but the captions say "immature farmer" :D
As good and accurate as this is can we all agree he had committed a mortal sin by not including the legendary 4020
Had to look up the model number, but, yeah, that’s the ubiquitous Deere to me.
That's man talk brother, these boy's wouldn't understand with there car channel.
now now kids, stop that bickering. Us Men are using the 959ML and 948L-II's.
I was thinking the same thing.
Or its preceding best seller, the B!!!
Petition for our boy J Pump to find a sponsor who will let him drive their tractors for an episode on Donut.
I’let him drive on
Demon Deere 1/4 mile drag challenge!
Petition for an up to speed episode on Case IH
My grandpa also has a 4030 as you show us in one of the clips... And its just PERFECT to drive
Day 205 th of asking james to do an up to speed on his dad
There was no pagani Gaming so I commented myself
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Yes you have done it :)
Oh yeah btw it should be 201st day
The substitute™
It should be day 205.
I’m a farmer and we don’t buy John Deere for this reason. I’m also pretty into tech and watch Louis Rossman all the time. John Deere could put a system in place to allow new parts to be added and only throw errors if something is actually going wrong. Things like this can kill small farms, they can only afford so many of these outrageous repair costs.
John Deere is trying to kill the small farmer (and I am a green fan.) They own smaller companies that buy up farm land that comes up for sale. There won’t be such a thing as 500-1000 acre farmers in 35-40 years
@@johndycus7800 There are almost no 500 acre farms anymore already :(
Now that you’re doing John Deere, you should do Polaris and BRP (Can-Am, ski-doo)
Kawasaki too
as someone who used to work in agriculture, many large farms used model Ds well into the 1990s. they're so easy to repair. model Ds don't die.
John Deere is just like apple wildly overpriced
this comment section is full of puns...
International Harvester > Johnathan Deere
And that’s why farmers run old tractors till they don’t even start
John Deere is 100% the Apple of the tractor world. Imagine when move to Electric cars and every company is gonna make the same arguments.
I'm gonna disagree John deere is completely different in Canada the prices you pay are high but for good reason they don't stop running and the invasion is far superior to other brands
13:57 "I've never driven a tractor"
Scoffs in Texan
As a Texan, I laughed really hard ngl
I've drove several growing up in TN and Im not a farmer nor is my family tho we are the odd people with a small used carlot that we rebuild wrecks and lots of diesel trucks and a mini ex
“Finally another crisis besides the gas crisis” killed me
As someone who worked for one of the largest New Holland dealers in the USA it’s $145 an hour to have a mechanic come out, not including parts so if you live 2 hours away from the dealership which is not uncommon and the programming of the new part takes an hour you will be charged for 5 hours bc ride time is billed