You're getting some great Boogie tones here. As a former Boogie owner who purchased one in the 80s I can tell you that the real deal would disappoint you for the simple fact that you will never have as much tone sculpting ability and versatility with the real deal. In a recording situation I'd choose a modeler like the Tonemaster Pro. But I was never a Boogie guy at heart. I much prefer getting a Marshall or a Fender and throwing a dirt pedal in front, using an EQ, Chorus and Delay. A relatively simple signal chain. When it comes to amps the speaker is the most important element because it determines whether or not you're getting the best possible tone from the circuitry. I could spend the rest of my career playing a Princeton with a good dirt pedal and be perfectly happy. But I'd also be just fine dialing in the perfected version of this tone with a modeler.
Man. It sounds like we’re in the same sonic boat. I’m doing these videos to force myself to grow, but my boomer ass loves tube amps with analog pedals. I played a 65’ deluxe for the longest time and most of modeler signal paths before committing to learning / experimenting for UA-cam was a Deluxe and pedals in front of it haha. This channel is really helping me grow as an engineer and guitarists. Thanks for the comment, I hope to see you in the comment section more frequently. I’d love to learn from ya 🤘
Your content is gold!! I’ve had the TMP and thanks to you I have been able to do so much more by following along with your content. Please keep it coming. Also, thank you for your service coming from an Air Force veteran.
hey whats up just come across this video love it i just got my tone master pro also and just getting some ideas how to make my own presets thanks for the video
My counter advice is that I have the axefx3 and still haven’t turned it back on since having my TMP. UI is king for creativity haha. It’s the difference between having an iPhone camera and a DLSR camera. Sure, you can get “better” pictures with the fancy camera, but you have to spend more time and work harder to get it. I’d rather use something that’s fun and allows me to be creative faster.
You have more patience than I do with a Mesa Dual Rectifier- I hate that amp with a passion- I have no idea why guys like them? One trick ponies, IMHO. You said, "Muddy", yep, that is what they sound like to me. BTW, for a Tool tone, I think a Marshall JCM800 would be best or the Friedman.
Hahaha it was a test of patience. I usually just run a Deluxe for TOOLSDAY and use different pedals. I need to learn the Friendman. I LOVED it on my AxeFx3
Thank you for your content and tips for the TMP. I just got myTMP with the FR12 about 1 week ago. Your videos helped me significantly understand the volume parameters and using lo and hi cut filters to tone shape the cabs. I saw that you had some issues with get tones for your 7 string guitars with the TMP. I play 7 string guitars quite a bit and made 2 patches that I feel play nicely with 7 string guitars. I uploaded them to the cloud: 1. JP MARK IIC and 2. Mesa Brutz. I’m a big JP fan and was pleasantly surprised that Fender profiled a Mesa IIC+ for the TMP. I find for 7 string guitars, less Gain knob and more master volume help with keeping the low string from “flubbing” out. I did not have to boost the Mark series amp to get it tight, but the dual rectifier I feel needs one in front to tighten it up. Tell me what you think of the patches. Again thank you for your content.
@@damionandy that will be cool. I did tweak the patches a bit after posting the comment. However the tweaks were with the amp mic’s and placement. I did not change the amp settings except to bump up the lowest slider on the EQ on the Mark patch. My aim with the patches were to make it sound like the real amp through my Tonemaster FR12. I actually traded in my Mark V with Mesa 212 for the TMP and Fr12. So far no regrets. The TMP actually responses quite similarly to my Mark V in terms of pick strength and attack. Playing my TMP feels similar to playing my Mark V.
At 10:30, the imbalance between the clean and dirty channels emphatically reminded me of the Rockman X100 I used to own. I got it in Oct. 2001, and I was so stoked to have a semblance of the Boston tone (something that I would be curious if the Tone Master Pro could emulate without needing to use the effects sends for additional units). I was kind of bummed to break it out and plug into it, only to discover that the 2 clean channels were louder (or had a higher output) than the distortion and edge channels. From the beginning of 2002 to the end of 2022, I was specifically chasing the Boston distortion tone (swing how their clean sounds could mostly be had with a JC120-type signal chain).
To be honest, it was an issue with the Mesa Boogie amps, I haven't had this issue with other rigs. Are you talking about the Joe Satriani Boston AMP or the Boston the band? If it's the band, I use a Deluxe or a Princeton with a tube screamer and a boost pedal. You could also use the JCM, but I haven't had enough time with the JCM on this model to dial it in for my ears. The IR seems... off haha
Have you tried the UBER cab yet the V30? I tried it tonight its pretty heavy. I was surprised. Im working on a Metallica preset. Im using the mark ii and the evh blue channel cabs. The mesa kinda scoops the mids and the evh drives the crunch. I will get it tomorrow the i can play through the f12.
Great review bro, have the Fender Tone master Pro has received any updates yet since the day it was released? I want to buy it because it sounds very good, I just worry about the software updates for the price.
It’s had one firmware update and one hot bug fix. I believe they’re shooting for another update by the end of the year (I’m a fly on the wall in some chats haha). We’ll see if it happens. As is, it’s REALLY good man. I have zero regrets. And I paid full price for it. While I’d love to be on fenders radar and get one for free, that’s not my reality… YET haha 🤘
Gotta tame your signal path. Use a noise gate and gate intelligently. It's easy to over gate, making the sound very choppy. It just comes with experience and time, but keep experimenting. I'd recommend choosing one gate and stick with it until you get the desired effect. Then try another gate and repeat until you find what works best for you and your ears. Gate too much and it's choppy. Don't gate enough and it's noisy.
@@iridium02 Feel free to send me photos on Instagram with what your ears hear. It's very hard to give exact feedback without seeing / hearing what you hear, but those are the general fundamentals to help you gate.
Damion - how does the modeling approach differ between modern metal, and ‘80’s metal’? There are a lot of us ‘Boomers’ out here that came up on tones like Ratt, Cinderella, Scorpions, etc….and we’re looking to get close to that. In real life many of those guys used high volume amps that got the saturated tone from putting the amp volume on 10 and OD pedals in front. (JCM800 with Boss OD) …But with high gain amps available in the TMP , is that the best starting point? Thanks for any direction! Keep up the great work! 😀
I know the plexi and JCM800 were used a lot. The 80s also used chorus more than you see it today. For scorpions, I used a Deluxe Reverb with a Ratt pedal (rodent in TMP land). Let me think on this, I may make a video for you 🤘
I just got the notification, man thank you so much for supporting me and YOU! If you have any questions about the material or suggestions for what to study next, DON'T BE A STRANGER! BTW, I have a new video coming out today on recording techniques with the TMP. I'm currently grinding out finals, so I didn't get to make your video yet@@bobbynip66
@@damionandy I’ve always known what sounds good to my ears, but haven’t always known how to get there. Same with basic EQ process. It would be great if you get a chance to hi-light the 80’s rock tones, but no hurry. Patreon wasn’t a bribe 😀
Boomer?! What the flamin'? (Certain short Canadian super hero) Gen X for that metal baby!!! Lol. The EVH will actually get that tone from the 80s bro. The "Friedman" or Freeman in TMP land will as well. Set your amp and cab middle of view screen. To the right, put your Chorus then delay and then reverb. To the left, put your metal gate, then greenbox (tube screamer), then if you want a compressor (not me bro), then a sustainer. My direction when I say right is what you are looking at. Hope it helps "boomer" lol. Have a great day from a Gen X metal head that was there in the day gigging. Oh, IF you have a half stack already, play the TMP thru your clean channel set flat. Experiment with Cab IR on or off. I play thru a 20 watt tube head and the thing kicks 9 kinds of ass.
I was literally doing this after this video. I’m going to do an 8 and 7. I just have to learn how to play the 8 🤣 I have all this guitar theory, but it goes out the window when the 2x4 hits my lap. I’m still getting lost in the sauce
Keep making these type of videos with the TMP. I will watch them over and over again. They are very valuable.
You're getting some great Boogie tones here. As a former Boogie owner who purchased one in the 80s I can tell you that the real deal would disappoint you for the simple fact that you will never have as much tone sculpting ability and versatility with the real deal. In a recording situation I'd choose a modeler like the Tonemaster Pro. But I was never a Boogie guy at heart. I much prefer getting a Marshall or a Fender and throwing a dirt pedal in front, using an EQ, Chorus and Delay. A relatively simple signal chain. When it comes to amps the speaker is the most important element because it determines whether or not you're getting the best possible tone from the circuitry. I could spend the rest of my career playing a Princeton with a good dirt pedal and be perfectly happy. But I'd also be just fine dialing in the perfected version of this tone with a modeler.
Man. It sounds like we’re in the same sonic boat. I’m doing these videos to force myself to grow, but my boomer ass loves tube amps with analog pedals. I played a 65’ deluxe for the longest time and most of modeler signal paths before committing to learning / experimenting for UA-cam was a Deluxe and pedals in front of it haha. This channel is really helping me grow as an engineer and guitarists. Thanks for the comment, I hope to see you in the comment section more frequently. I’d love to learn from ya 🤘
I think I need one of these.
They’re great units!
Keep it up, great work. Already using some of your tips 🤩
That’s awesome, you made my day John 🤘
Thanks for this tutorial my dude, i just got mine and i love it, have a happy Christmas 😊
You too! As you learn more, come back and teach us! If you have questions, feel free to reach out!
@@damionandy thanks so much, you're tip with the High-Cut literally saved my gig man 😂
Your content is gold!! I’ve had the TMP and thanks to you I have been able to do so much more by following along with your content. Please keep it coming. Also, thank you for your service coming from an Air Force veteran.
Thanks Ken! And Thank you for YOUR service! I have a new video coming out later today on recording with the Tone Master Pro
hey whats up just come across this video love it i just got my tone master pro also and just getting some ideas how to make my own presets thanks for the video
That’s awesome 🤘
Digging the content. My TMP is ruining my sleep schedule. I now stay up all night playing guitar. Things could be worse. Semper Fi.
hahaha at least you're spending time with a guitar! That's time well spent if you ask me! Semper Fi, EEERRRAAAAHHH
Hi Damion, check second amp page on the marksman. You can turn GEQ, bright switch etc. on-off
Thanks for your service! 🇺🇸❤️✌🏻
Thank you for paying for college 🫡
@@damionandylol!
Nice tutorial bro. My counter advice, though, is that if you're willing to spend $1700 on TMP, then get an FM9.
My counter advice is that I have the axefx3 and still haven’t turned it back on since having my TMP. UI is king for creativity haha. It’s the difference between having an iPhone camera and a DLSR camera. Sure, you can get “better” pictures with the fancy camera, but you have to spend more time and work harder to get it. I’d rather use something that’s fun and allows me to be creative faster.
You have more patience than I do with a Mesa Dual Rectifier- I hate that amp with a passion- I have no idea why guys like them? One trick ponies, IMHO. You said, "Muddy", yep, that is what they sound like to me. BTW, for a Tool tone, I think a Marshall JCM800 would be best or the Friedman.
Hahaha it was a test of patience. I usually just run a Deluxe for TOOLSDAY and use different pedals. I need to learn the Friendman. I LOVED it on my AxeFx3
Thank you for your content and tips for the TMP. I just got myTMP with the FR12 about 1 week ago. Your videos helped me significantly understand the volume parameters and using lo and hi cut filters to tone shape the cabs. I saw that you had some issues with get tones for your 7 string guitars with the TMP. I play 7 string guitars quite a bit and made 2 patches that I feel play nicely with 7 string guitars.
I uploaded them to the cloud: 1. JP MARK IIC and 2. Mesa Brutz. I’m a big JP fan and was pleasantly surprised that Fender profiled a Mesa IIC+ for the TMP. I find for 7 string guitars, less Gain knob and more master volume help with keeping the low string from “flubbing” out. I did not have to boost the Mark series amp to get it tight, but the dual rectifier I feel needs one in front to tighten it up.
Tell me what you think of the patches. Again thank you for your content.
I’ll check it out! I may even make a video on it…
@@damionandy that will be cool. I did tweak the patches a bit after posting the comment. However the tweaks were with the amp mic’s and placement. I did not change the amp settings except to bump up the lowest slider on the EQ on the Mark patch. My aim with the patches were to make it sound like the real amp through my Tonemaster FR12. I actually traded in my Mark V with Mesa 212 for the TMP and Fr12. So far no regrets. The TMP actually responses quite similarly to my Mark V in terms of pick strength and attack. Playing my TMP feels similar to playing my Mark V.
Aw yea 🤘🏻
Bro, your name gets me every time hahaha
At 10:30, the imbalance between the clean and dirty channels emphatically reminded me of the Rockman X100 I used to own. I got it in Oct. 2001, and I was so stoked to have a semblance of the Boston tone (something that I would be curious if the Tone Master Pro could emulate without needing to use the effects sends for additional units). I was kind of bummed to break it out and plug into it, only to discover that the 2 clean channels were louder (or had a higher output) than the distortion and edge channels. From the beginning of 2002 to the end of 2022, I was specifically chasing the Boston distortion tone (swing how their clean sounds could mostly be had with a JC120-type signal chain).
To be honest, it was an issue with the Mesa Boogie amps, I haven't had this issue with other rigs. Are you talking about the Joe Satriani Boston AMP or the Boston the band? If it's the band, I use a Deluxe or a Princeton with a tube screamer and a boost pedal. You could also use the JCM, but I haven't had enough time with the JCM on this model to dial it in for my ears. The IR seems... off haha
Right, @@damionandy. I suggest you stay at it regarding the GCM. And, I was referring to the band.
Have you tried the UBER cab yet the V30? I tried it tonight its pretty heavy. I was surprised. Im working on a Metallica preset. Im using the mark ii and the evh blue channel cabs. The mesa kinda scoops the mids and the evh drives the crunch. I will get it tomorrow the i can play through the f12.
I haven't. Have you uploaded it to the cloud? I'll check it out
Great review bro, have the Fender Tone master Pro has received any updates yet since the day it was released? I want to buy it because it sounds very good, I just worry about the software updates for the price.
It’s had one firmware update and one hot bug fix. I believe they’re shooting for another update by the end of the year (I’m a fly on the wall in some chats haha). We’ll see if it happens. As is, it’s REALLY good man. I have zero regrets. And I paid full price for it. While I’d love to be on fenders radar and get one for free, that’s not my reality… YET haha 🤘
@@damionandy . Thanks for your response and I appreciate it bro. 👍🏻
@@metallion0738 always bro 🤘🤘
Im very interested in fiddling around with distorted guitar tones so yea im very interested.
I'll keep you in mind for the next video 🤘
how did you keep the noise level (hum) so low?
Gotta tame your signal path. Use a noise gate and gate intelligently. It's easy to over gate, making the sound very choppy. It just comes with experience and time, but keep experimenting. I'd recommend choosing one gate and stick with it until you get the desired effect. Then try another gate and repeat until you find what works best for you and your ears. Gate too much and it's choppy. Don't gate enough and it's noisy.
@@damionandy Thank You my man! So keep the settings as low as possible. Got it!
@@iridium02 Feel free to send me photos on Instagram with what your ears hear. It's very hard to give exact feedback without seeing / hearing what you hear, but those are the general fundamentals to help you gate.
Damion - how does the modeling approach differ between modern metal, and ‘80’s metal’? There are a lot of us ‘Boomers’ out here that came up on tones like Ratt, Cinderella, Scorpions, etc….and we’re looking to get close to that. In real life many of those guys used high volume amps that got the saturated tone from putting the amp volume on 10 and OD pedals in front. (JCM800 with Boss OD) …But with high gain amps available in the TMP , is that the best starting point? Thanks for any direction! Keep up the great work! 😀
I know the plexi and JCM800 were used a lot. The 80s also used chorus more than you see it today. For scorpions, I used a Deluxe Reverb with a Ratt pedal (rodent in TMP land). Let me think on this, I may make a video for you 🤘
@@damionandyThanks! I really appreciate it! Just joined your Patreon 😀
I just got the notification, man thank you so much for supporting me and YOU! If you have any questions about the material or suggestions for what to study next, DON'T BE A STRANGER! BTW, I have a new video coming out today on recording techniques with the TMP. I'm currently grinding out finals, so I didn't get to make your video yet@@bobbynip66
@@damionandy I’ve always known what sounds good to my ears, but haven’t always known how to get there. Same with basic EQ process. It would be great if you get a chance to hi-light the 80’s rock tones, but no hurry. Patreon wasn’t a bribe 😀
Boomer?! What the flamin'? (Certain short Canadian super hero)
Gen X for that metal baby!!! Lol.
The EVH will actually get that tone from the 80s bro. The "Friedman" or Freeman in TMP land will as well.
Set your amp and cab middle of view screen. To the right, put your Chorus then delay and then reverb.
To the left, put your metal gate, then greenbox (tube screamer), then if you want a compressor (not me bro), then a sustainer.
My direction when I say right is what you are looking at.
Hope it helps "boomer" lol.
Have a great day from a Gen X metal head that was there in the day gigging.
Oh, IF you have a half stack already, play the TMP thru your clean channel set flat. Experiment with Cab IR on or off. I play thru a 20 watt tube head and the thing kicks 9 kinds of ass.
do you upload these to the cloud?
Yup!
@@damionandy Oh there is a cloud to share presets?
@@Sispheor yea, it's through the PC/Mac app.
Now make an 8 string tone with that sick Agile and Lundgren 8 😘
I was literally doing this after this video. I’m going to do an 8 and 7. I just have to learn how to play the 8 🤣 I have all this guitar theory, but it goes out the window when the 2x4 hits my lap. I’m still getting lost in the sauce