Camp Damascus is an adult book, and was already involved in a situation where it was nominated for a YA award for the Stokers (I think) and Chuck spoke up and got it withdrawn so an actual YA novel could take its place.
I thought To Shape a Dragon’s Breath is YA! I’ve definitely been talking about it as YA even though it has crossover appeal. And Study in Drowning is YA as well. It’s published by Harper Teen.
I think the fact that I couldn't tell if Ava Reid released a YA with a YA imprint or if fans just assumed she was YA is part of why this list is always a struggle for me. Cause her wolfsman book was heavily talked about as YA when it came out. I also think a book published by an adult imprint is more inaccessible to a YA audience with the $10 price difference and that always bothers me and it always feels like "duh the book actually available on shelves where adults look will be picked up by the adult audience that votes for the hugos" its not as egregious to me as when Novik's book won but I do think this lack of clear criteria makes it a hard award for me to understand what this award is measuring. Its also such a low voted category, especially for nominations that I just think this is not something the world con fandom doesn't really have the expertise or care to measure accurately? Like obviously the individuals who nominate care but its only 300-400 nominations and around 700 votes compared to the 3000 ballots submitted. Sorry for the ramble but even though I have accepted it as a feature not a bug of this award I always dislike the lack of strict criteria.
If you ever get around to reading some of the works from the short fiction categories (shortlist only, or adding in some of the longlist), I think that would make for a great video that I would love to watch! (And I could even send you copies of the translated works if you did want to make that a project--for review purposes only, of course.)
A Study in Drowning is actually Ava Reid's YA debut and from Ava's IG we know that it gets a sequel and that Ava is working on another YA novel, so she's not just an adult fiction writer.
Yay for so little drama ✨ Really fun to see all these results, I am adding some to the TBR for sure. Especially Some Desperate Glory really piques my interest!
I really liked to see how much the Baldur's Gate 3 writers appreciated the award, unlike Hollywood, who can't be bothered to pick theirs up 99% of the time. 🚀
I loved both of Naomi Kritzer's stories. They both looked at a hopeful future despite world circumstances. If you need something to give you hope for humanity, these are it. :)
I read Some Desperate Glory on a whim last month (I owned it but had no real intention of picking it up but then my kid chose it for me) and absolutely agree that it was a dark horse favorite. I was pleasantly surprised with how much I liked it!
I think if it was the first or end I could see that but I saw both around the same time and oddly enough I think about the DnD movie more for some reason. But I love them both
Love this video ! For Studying In Drowning Ava Reid did say that this was her YA debut, so i think it might count for that (its also why I didnt like it because it didnt have what I read Ava Reid for, it just felt a bit flat)
I have since learned my mistake lol in my defense her other adult work for the wolfsman was given "feels like YA" reviews so I have started to have trust issues 🤣
Laundry Files is a lovecraftian horror / procedural / office comedy set in a world where an government department called the laundry investigate any kind of occult goings on, as the world slowly edges towards an apocalypse
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance I’m not sure Have you read any of Stross’ other works? The books are quite short, so aren’t too much of an investment The plots can tend to be a bit all over the place so it really come down to whether you like Bob and the other central characters and the humour that comes from mixing together occult / spy type missions with the bureaucracy of a government department
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance I've only read the first book in the series, but it definitely has some of the same male-gazey weirdness I got from Jim Butcher. I can also definitely understand getting it mixed up with Rivers of London, because I found all three to be tonally very similar.
He Who Drowned the World is amazing!!! Best book I’ve read this year so far, way better than She Who Became the Sun even. And Saga is just the best. Thanks for this vid!
Oh, that's an interesting result on the best game. Obviously not the first place, Baldur's Gate 3 didn't have much real competition in that regard, but 3rd place caught me by surprise, I hadn't heard of that game before. Apparently it's a puzzle game, and it has 98% approval on Steam, that's insane. I'm really curious to play it. Oh, and Alan Wake 2's placement saddens me, but it's understandable. I think the other games do fit the profile of voters more than AW2
Adult books being eligible (and often winning) in the ya category is infuriating and unprofessional. It would be very easy for them to avoid it by being clear about eligibility. YA books already have a problem of books being published with adults in mind, stuff like this makes the issue even more prevalent. Adult books have so many different hugos and ya has one that's not even considered a hugo To be clear this is not a jab at Moniquill Blackgoose and I wish her the best, that book is great and should've been up against the other best novel candidates
I just wish that it would be published with a YA imprint so its more accessible for the younger audiences its intended for. A hardback in the US is now $30 while a YA hardback is still around $21 (which is still bananas but more available) but again I have mainly accepted that the Hugos is just never going to be a place that gives YA the attention it deserves anyways and this is WAY better than Novik winning imo
@@wallacejames221 I wasn't aware she categorized it as YA herself, that's a different situation then. The publisher has done the book a huge disservice with marketing and publishing it as adult when YA books are already so expensive. It makes it so much more challenging to get it into the right hands, especially in school libraries
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance Naomi Novik choosing not to turn down nominations for an adult series twice when she's as established as she is... that was certainly a choice. The fault lies mainly with the host to ensure the integrity of the award, but it does mean she can never claim people calling it YA are wrong since she's shown she's fine with it when it benefits her
@@wallacejames221 Except that the book is listed as an adult novel nominee for the Igynite Awards AND was on the Alex Awards long list. The Alex Awards is specifically for adult books with crossover appeal to teens, as awarded by the Young Adult Services division of ALA, as well as listed as adult in the sales metadata.
I would definitely call the Blackgoose novel YA, having read it. It features a teenager, it's a coming of age story, it's a school setting, and the themes are clearly for teens imo. But I get the complaints about the price issues. Chuck Tingle's book, however, I probably wouldn't call YA. Honestly, I'd put it in New Adult if that category was used for anything besides romance. 🚀🚀
I think for me part of having age categories in publishing is having the books be more accessible to those who are younger and don't have as much money, also its always like "no duh the YA shelved in the adult section got read by more adults" so feels like a weird advantage in that regard as well. Regardless way less mad about this than I was Novik's wins
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance Yeah, all of that makes sense, and I agree. This one makes me annoyed from a marketing and price standpoint because it would be a great book for teens, so it's frustrating that it's less accessible to them!
Camp Damascus is an adult book, and was already involved in a situation where it was nominated for a YA award for the Stokers (I think) and Chuck spoke up and got it withdrawn so an actual YA novel could take its place.
Good to know he would have probably pulled it here if it made the short list
I thought To Shape a Dragon’s Breath is YA! I’ve definitely been talking about it as YA even though it has crossover appeal. And Study in Drowning is YA as well. It’s published by Harper Teen.
I think the fact that I couldn't tell if Ava Reid released a YA with a YA imprint or if fans just assumed she was YA is part of why this list is always a struggle for me. Cause her wolfsman book was heavily talked about as YA when it came out. I also think a book published by an adult imprint is more inaccessible to a YA audience with the $10 price difference and that always bothers me and it always feels like "duh the book actually available on shelves where adults look will be picked up by the adult audience that votes for the hugos" its not as egregious to me as when Novik's book won but I do think this lack of clear criteria makes it a hard award for me to understand what this award is measuring. Its also such a low voted category, especially for nominations that I just think this is not something the world con fandom doesn't really have the expertise or care to measure accurately? Like obviously the individuals who nominate care but its only 300-400 nominations and around 700 votes compared to the 3000 ballots submitted. Sorry for the ramble but even though I have accepted it as a feature not a bug of this award I always dislike the lack of strict criteria.
Glad you went over these! I didn't have the energy to look into it myself, but it's fun to hear you walk through the list and your reactions.
I am always nosey about award results lol
If you ever get around to reading some of the works from the short fiction categories (shortlist only, or adding in some of the longlist), I think that would make for a great video that I would love to watch!
(And I could even send you copies of the translated works if you did want to make that a project--for review purposes only, of course.)
A Study in Drowning is actually Ava Reid's YA debut and from Ava's IG we know that it gets a sequel and that Ava is working on another YA novel, so she's not just an adult fiction writer.
Good to know!
Yay for so little drama ✨
Really fun to see all these results, I am adding some to the TBR for sure. Especially Some Desperate Glory really piques my interest!
I hope you like it!
I really liked to see how much the Baldur's Gate 3 writers appreciated the award, unlike Hollywood, who can't be bothered to pick theirs up 99% of the time. 🚀
That was really lovely to see, I think part of that is people really do underappreciate the work that goes into quality video game story telling
You're really selling me on picking up some desperate glory. 🚀
loveee ruoxi and so glad she's getting her flowers!
i haven't played chants of sennaar yet but i've heard nothing but rave reviews about it and i love the concept of it
I loved both of Naomi Kritzer's stories. They both looked at a hopeful future despite world circumstances. If you need something to give you hope for humanity, these are it. :)
This is very good to know, and what I tend to expect from her having read the YA duology
I read Some Desperate Glory on a whim last month (I owned it but had no real intention of picking it up but then my kid chose it for me) and absolutely agree that it was a dark horse favorite. I was pleasantly surprised with how much I liked it!
Yea I don't know what more people could have done to make me realize it was for me but I am glad I did end up finally giving it a shot!
I thought Spiderverse should've won over D&D but i get why it didn't
I think if it was the first or end I could see that but I saw both around the same time and oddly enough I think about the DnD movie more for some reason. But I love them both
I did not think there would be so few paper votes, I sent my vote by post thinking it would among hundreds of other envelopes.
They gave the 5 paper ballots a call out in the awards lol it was cute!
Love this video ! For Studying In Drowning Ava Reid did say that this was her YA debut, so i think it might count for that (its also why I didnt like it because it didnt have what I read Ava Reid for, it just felt a bit flat)
I have since learned my mistake lol in my defense her other adult work for the wolfsman was given "feels like YA" reviews so I have started to have trust issues 🤣
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance ah yeah that one I’ll fight tooth and nail to say it’s adult haha
Laundry Files is a lovecraftian horror / procedural / office comedy set in a world where an government department called the laundry investigate any kind of occult goings on, as the world slowly edges towards an apocalypse
Do you think I would like it??
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance I’m not sure
Have you read any of Stross’ other works?
The books are quite short, so aren’t too much of an investment
The plots can tend to be a bit all over the place so it really come down to whether you like Bob and the other central characters and the humour that comes from mixing together occult / spy type missions with the bureaucracy of a government department
The first book especially feels a little weird because it’s effectively two stories squashed together to provide an origin for Bob
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance I've only read the first book in the series, but it definitely has some of the same male-gazey weirdness I got from Jim Butcher. I can also definitely understand getting it mixed up with Rivers of London, because I found all three to be tonally very similar.
He Who Drowned the World is amazing!!! Best book I’ve read this year so far, way better than She Who Became the Sun even.
And Saga is just the best.
Thanks for this vid!
That's good to know about he who drowned the world, I only liked she who became the sun and that's why I hadn't read the sequel
Started some desperate glory because your take on it awhile back, cause the cover really did put me off 😅
Oh, that's an interesting result on the best game. Obviously not the first place, Baldur's Gate 3 didn't have much real competition in that regard, but 3rd place caught me by surprise, I hadn't heard of that game before. Apparently it's a puzzle game, and it has 98% approval on Steam, that's insane. I'm really curious to play it. Oh, and Alan Wake 2's placement saddens me, but it's understandable. I think the other games do fit the profile of voters more than AW2
Adult books being eligible (and often winning) in the ya category is infuriating and unprofessional. It would be very easy for them to avoid it by being clear about eligibility. YA books already have a problem of books being published with adults in mind, stuff like this makes the issue even more prevalent. Adult books have so many different hugos and ya has one that's not even considered a hugo
To be clear this is not a jab at Moniquill Blackgoose and I wish her the best, that book is great and should've been up against the other best novel candidates
I just wish that it would be published with a YA imprint so its more accessible for the younger audiences its intended for. A hardback in the US is now $30 while a YA hardback is still around $21 (which is still bananas but more available) but again I have mainly accepted that the Hugos is just never going to be a place that gives YA the attention it deserves anyways and this is WAY better than Novik winning imo
@@wallacejames221 I wasn't aware she categorized it as YA herself, that's a different situation then. The publisher has done the book a huge disservice with marketing and publishing it as adult when YA books are already so expensive. It makes it so much more challenging to get it into the right hands, especially in school libraries
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance Naomi Novik choosing not to turn down nominations for an adult series twice when she's as established as she is... that was certainly a choice. The fault lies mainly with the host to ensure the integrity of the award, but it does mean she can never claim people calling it YA are wrong since she's shown she's fine with it when it benefits her
@@wallacejames221 Except that the book is listed as an adult novel nominee for the Igynite Awards AND was on the Alex Awards long list. The Alex Awards is specifically for adult books with crossover appeal to teens, as awarded by the Young Adult Services division of ALA, as well as listed as adult in the sales metadata.
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I would definitely call the Blackgoose novel YA, having read it. It features a teenager, it's a coming of age story, it's a school setting, and the themes are clearly for teens imo. But I get the complaints about the price issues.
Chuck Tingle's book, however, I probably wouldn't call YA. Honestly, I'd put it in New Adult if that category was used for anything besides romance.
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I think for me part of having age categories in publishing is having the books be more accessible to those who are younger and don't have as much money, also its always like "no duh the YA shelved in the adult section got read by more adults" so feels like a weird advantage in that regard as well. Regardless way less mad about this than I was Novik's wins
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance Yeah, all of that makes sense, and I agree. This one makes me annoyed from a marketing and price standpoint because it would be a great book for teens, so it's frustrating that it's less accessible to them!
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I actually really liked "The Future" by Naomi Alderman. A lot of interesting and fun characters in a fun near-future thriller.
I did too!
Have you read the power by her? If so how did it compare?
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance No, but I want to read it. I have the library book and will probably read it this month.
@@LiteratureScienceAlliance I did not read The Power, though I would like to some day.
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