The Most Disciplined Man in History? - Titus Manlius Torquatus
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Primary sources:
Liv. vii. 4, 5,10,19, 26-28, viii. 3-12 ,
Cic. de Off. iii. 31, de Fin. i. 7, ii. 19, 22, Tusc. iv. 22;
Val. Máx. vi. 9. § 1, I. 7. § 3, II. 7 . § 6;
Gell. I. 13;
Dio. Fragm. 34, p. 16, Reim.;
Aurel. Vict. de Vir. III. 28.
Secondary sources & suggested readings:
Zhmodikov, A. 2000. Roman Republican Heavy Infantrymen in Battle (IV-II Centuries B.C.). Historia: Zeitschrift für Alte Geschichte, Bd. 49, H. 1 (1st Qtr., 2000), pp. 67-78.
Sabin, P. 2000. The Face of Roman Battle. The Journal of Roman Studies, Vol. 90, 2000, pp. 1-17.
Sabin, P., Van Wees, H., Whitby, M. (eds.). 2008. The Cambridge History of Greek and Roman Warfare Volume I: Greece, The Hellenistic World and the Rise of Rome. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
Erdkamp, Paul. 2007. A Companion to the Roman Army. Oxford: Blackwell Publishing.
Cowan, R. 2017. For the Glory of Rome: A history of warriors and warfare. Barnsley: Frontline Books.
Armstrong, J. y M. P. Fronda. 2020. Romans at War: Soldiers, Citizens and Society in the Roman Republic. London: Routledge, Taylor & Francis Group.
Armstrong, J. 2013. “Bands of Brothers”: Warfare and Fraternity in Early Rome. JAH, 1 (1) (2013): pp. 53-69.
Oakley, S. P. “Single Combat in the Roman Republic”: The Classical Quarterly, New Series, Vol. 35, No. 2 (1985), pp. 392-410.
Intro (0:00)
Sponsor (1:43)
Making of a legend (2:52)
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Dude's middle name was Manlius. The manliest man for sure :)
You can't spell Manlius without "man" :)
@@HistoriaMilitum please do one on king porus
Must be the ancestor of Maximus Biggus Dickus
@@bengtjohnsson4837 and huge janus
Hence the eventually English word...
An image of a shocked son who thought he was going to make a legendary father proud after imitating his action and valor with bravery is stocked upon my mind... he was doing what he thought was right and noble at that wery moment
Alas this tragedy mirrors so many others, the high of triumph followed by the lowest of sorrow. 😭
His own son,
so cruelly slain,
his blood a stain,
On the father's reign.
A lashing would have done everything needed to set the tone of discipline throughout the army, if not to save his son then to keep the momentum going for his army after hearing about the victory over a famed warrior.
@@mistermonologue2442 Possibly but it could have also seen as showing his son leniency. Which could have affected morale and discipline.
The son disobeyed the edict, and the punishment for that is death, no matter who. Roma Invicta!
O men de, he had to make an example and show that he was impartial in his orders; nepotism be damned. There are rules and authority in both government and military must be respected and applied fairly. O de, wouldn’t it be somewhat demoralizing for the men to watch this hero be court martialed and executed despite his heroic deeds? Really sucks it happened, but Manlius Sr. needed to set an example no matter how hard hearted it was. I suppose lesser men would of let it slide and shown their obvious favoritism much to the chagrin of the rest of the plebeian cohorts, he was fair above all else.
Isnt Publius Decius Mus (colleague of Titus Manlius Torquatus) the dude who performed a devotio, charging into enemy ranks and basically sacrificing himself to inspire his faltering troops, which then won the battle?
man, early republic romans were truly something else
Ssssshhhh that's a secret for another episode 😉😂. By the way, you are right it is the man himself. His sacrifice stabilized the situation enough to allow Manlius to win the battle with a clever ruse
yea, when i read that there will be more episodes, i thought that he will be covered at some point :D
i also have some other in mind which will probably get a video too. its crazy that we still talk about them more than 2000 years later. i love history
@@soilwork551 We will cover his entire family, because they were crazily patriotic. I can't tell you when because we still don't know. Rest assured he is on the list. Siccius Dentatus, Brutus, Camilus, Servius Tullius, Curius Dentatus, Cincinnatus and the others will be covered too. Their legends inspired entire generations of romans, in the end they were the founding fathers of the Romanitas
@@JonEtxebeberriaRodriguez love to hear it, looking forward to these! you people do an amazing job
Interestingly, he didn't die during the sacrifice, so they had to kill someone else on his behalf as an apology to the gods.
It would be great if you make this into a series. Showcasing the less mainstream Roman heroes.
Cincinnatus 👍🏻
Do it
Factz
If the video does it well in terms of views it will be a new series of course. You have my word as his researcher 😉
Username is based.
I definitely want to see more coverage of Roman Heroes. They aren't as mythologized as their Greek counterparts (Leonidas for example), the only ones you hear about is Caesar or Scipio Africanus. I'd like to see more stories of lesser known heroes, especially if they were not important generals or officers.
Your opinion is noted! I think we will focuss on lesser known characters, it would bring something new to the UA-cam community. Cheers!
There are so many of them. So many underrated generals. Marcus Furius Camilus (who defeated the Gauls), Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus (first dictator), Titus Quinctius Flamininus (crushed the Macedonians), Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus (who finished off Macedon and whose son would be adopted by Scipio Africanus' son. and finish off Carthage). The story of Gaius Popillus Laenas is a fascinating one- he was sent as an ambassador to Antiochus IV and drew a circle around the king, telling him not to leave the circle until he submitted to Rome's demands. Pretty bad ass.
@@lewistaylor2858 There are also any of the Early Republic as well. Iunius Brutus is somewhat known, but definitely not as much as he should be for his legacy. Cloelia the Hostage is hardly known, and is one of the few women that Romans considered heroic. Scaevola, who singlehandedly (aha) ended the war between the early republic and Clusium. Or even Cocles, who defended a bridge long enough for the bridge to be destroyed, saving Rome from a direct attack by the Etruscans.
Honestly, the entire war between Rome and Clusium is something that would make an amazing video. It's the Roman version of the Illiad, or perhaps the defense against the Persians, and it hardly gets talked about.
@@brutusthebear9050 I agree with all of this.
@@brutusthebear9050 the early wars of the republic in general would ve interesting, with the constant wars with aequi, volsci, veii, cleusi, tarquini and other enemies
Daaaamn this man had his priorities. Imagine a world where public officials were like this :c
Time to change the dictionary, Manly: Ethimology, word derivated from the middle name of Titus Manlius Torquatus, probably. Sourcess: a god told me.
Nice Mechanicus profile
Source: It was revealed to me in a dream
Exile would have been a more fitting choice since Manlius was threatened with exile when he was a youth. The banished can be unbanished, but the dead cannot be unkilled. Even better if Manlius had handed responsibility of the sentencing over to someone else, but alas, conflict of interest is a modern idea.
Or severe beating and mock execution, maybe even a stripping of honors.
Enough to instill fear in the troops, while proving he still retained rationality and humanity instead of coming off as a monster.
Blind obedience isn't enough to make a great reign.
@borsalinokizaru9862 Mock execution means you convince the person and the onlookers that he's going to be killed, but spare then last second, thus instilling the impression of fear and remorse without actually having to go through with it.
Only works once though.
"Manliness is my middle name" - Titus Manlius Torquatus (Propably)
I hope to make this the first of many great biographies to come, so get ready! Right now I am working on two other "surprise" videos that will be out in the close future. I am sure you will love them!
Gaius Mucius Scaevola next please
I did, I hope to see more of them
Looking forward to it, saw your community post and thought i'd add some more engagement to see if we couldn't pull more people in. Rewatching for good measure too.
Great! :D
Whoever coined the phrase "It's Easier to Ask Forgiveness Than It Is To Get Permission." was definitely not a Roman
Gravitas is not "self-control", it's a complex word but I think of it almost as someone's "standing" in society. But, it means something like the dignity of someone. Or even their "clout" would be a good word. And I freaking loved this video, keep them up thank you!
Gravitas is like the image with which you present yourself to society. The ideal is someone rational, caring but not too emotional. Like you know how to behave yourself and not act like a fool. Because it's very united to auctoritas (prestige/authority) they are often thought to be the same. As you said it's very complex 😅
There may also be difference between how the word is used now to back then.
What your explaining is the modern meaning of Gravitas. The Romans used the word differently.
gravitas is influence
Crazy to think he executed his own son in probably less than 10 minutes after hearing about his brave but emotion driven achievment.
If Titus Manlius Torquatus didnt execute his own son, the army would have felt betrayed, knowing the son of the dictator can do whatever he wants despite the command being "DO NOT ENGAGE THE ENEMY NO MATTER WHAT". He had no choice but to either step down of Command and kill himself and let the army and war fall and betray all men or kill his own son. However proud he might be, which father would kill his own son?
How hard this decision must have been.
This one man rises above most of the Roman Emperors who would come.
I dunno I almost killed mine after he stole my wine...ohhh waitttt
Learning as to how Titus Manlius Torquatus' father treated him, you get the idea from where he got his harsh discipline towards his own son. Manlius probably wasn't loved much as a child.
He did the right thing
@Frank Time adopted?
Keep it up brothers, keep telling more stories like this
true that!!!!
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Have a good day Sir and keep up the excellent work!!
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Your kind words were a pleasure to read, I personally thank you for your loyalty and support in the channel. Its for fans of history like you that I make these videos, and will continue to do so for a long time, rest assured! The few videos on my channel are due to the large amounts of time I put into research, script writing, and animation. So it makes me very pleased when people like you appreciate them! I cant wait until you see my next video, which took the longest to make out of all my videos and will be the more unique to the channel. Its a bit of a secret release coming soon! (A full 3D recreation of a Roman fort).
I am glad to have you by my side for now and many videos to come!
-"If such action goes unpunished then the republic would lost all meaning as this would encourage new generations to act on authorities instead of following orders."
I think this tradition of dueling should come back on todays battlefield. Maybe 1 duel wouldn’t end a war, but end a battle and save thousands of lives
Easy to follow and fun to listen to. Hope you plan on continuing this series.
Keep the good work up! I Really enjoy your stories
Truly great stuff. Keep ‘em coming!
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Fantastic work, I'd love to see a series on roman hero's from leader to common foot soldier Love the channel.
Publius the son of Marcus Crassus would be a good one, hell there's soooo many :)
Don't worry we have material for that in storage 😉
Filax , another great video as usual . I'm looking forward to the future of this channel !
Thank you for your kind words!
Another awesome history lesson. Thank you. Seems “Mos Maiorum” has become forgotten by politicians and so-called leaders in the 21. century
bla bla bla ask a roman 2000 yrs ago he'd answer you the same way.
@@DenisBourveau Would not surprise me, that doesn’t change that apparently “Mos Maiorum” was the ideal virtues in the infant days of the Rome leaders.
@@DenisBourveau Nop, not in the archaic times.
@@gamedevyoutube3.030 _mos maiorum_ means a society that we'd call tribal & patriarchal. Today this exists only in like tribal Afghanistan or something. Dont be tribal Afghanistan. Be modern.
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look at you, tribal barbarian masquerades as civilized, adorable.
Congratulations on another great video! Keep this going, man!
Great research work, with very interesting story, presented lively. Congratulations!
Many thanks!
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Thank you so much! My new video will be a special secret video! A 3D recreation of a famous Roman fort (we have been working on it for the past 2 months). I am sure you will love it!
I'd love to hear a video about the gauls or the barbarians. It easy to get the impression they were mindless brutes but they obviously weren't to organize such armies. The berserker always fascinated me.
Channels like that help greatly with my researches for a series of stories set in the late Republic.
I absolutely loved this, please do more videos about Roman legends!
I love this channel, great stories. Thanks for the information.
Our pleasure! Thank you!
Please keep doing these!!
Yes please more this was so interesting thank you for this segment 😀👍🏻
Superb as always, good to have you back 👍
Thank you! More to come!
I really enjoyed the biography and would love to hear more of them. I also love your history of the Legions. I've read all about them and you have details I haven't yet seen in my books. I'd love a reading list if you have suggestions!
Love all your videos please keep them coming
Hell yes, another video by the man himself!
Yes, more videos like this would be excellent.
It got my subscription.
I would love you hear more of these, very interesting
Great Stuff! Please do more of these biographies that help illuminate the period of the Roman Republic.
This was awesome, love to see more like it.
What a great story, would love to see more! Mucius Scaevola comes to mind
Yeah he could sure use a hand
Great information and thank you. I need to read Livy again.
Great video brother. Would love a series on Roman Heroes I've only heard of Cinncinatus and a couple others. Thanks
Thanks for your recurring support! I will consider Cinncinatus, another true hero indeed!
You did it again! Seeing you rise brings me joy(Rise son of Rome :) ), I follow you from the first video and will continue to do so. Every video fills me with joy, thank you for that.
I am glad to have you by my side since the 1st video, it makes me glad to know you enjoy my hard work for so long. Cheers to you!
yes please do a series on the "Heros of Rome" that would be so dope.
Another great video man! Thank you!
You are most welcome! Glad you enjoyed.
Thank you for this new video!!
You are very welcome!
Wow, birthday post from my favorite UA-camr? Feeling extra special today 😍
Happy birthday man!!! Hope you like the present 😉
Happy birthday!
@@HistoriaMilitum thanks! You're my biggest UA-camr crush, I and I listen to your videos every night to fall asleep.
As a native spanish speaker and long time italian learner your pronunciation of latin really pleases me. I've always found english speakers to mispronounce latin an awful lot. Loved your channel since the first second, ironicalIy I havent studied roman history in my life but I started thanks to your inspiration. I hope your channel keeps growing because you really deserve it!
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@@TheSrSunday its not pronounced "teetus" it is pronounced Taitus
Wow i subscribed when you had like 2k subs what happened :D very glad you got so much in such a short time
'Between a rock and a hard place' just took on a new meaning.
Great video filaxim 👍
Thank you!
Fantastic Roman is the mindset needed. The more exposure to it the moral and especially. Dicipline.
OFC, WE WANT MOAR, CANT WAIT!!!
Great story! Very interesting 👍🏻
Thanks for the visit
I’ve got a presentation about him tomorrow and this really helped me like thank you 😭
Glad it helped! Good luck!
@@HistoriaMilitum it went very well, thank you ✨
Great video! Cincinnatus may be a good choice for another video like this
0:17 Bronze Age armour
Your videos are wonderful
Yes we want a series of obscure ancient heroes! I'm tired of watching rehashing videos of Julius Caesar, Gilgamesh, Augustus, Odysseus, etc! Give us the forgotten ones who deserve to be remembered!
Glad you like the concept and thank you for your support! Don't worry because this series will make sure those men will have their share of glory 😉
I'd love to hear more about characters who're less known, but whose stories deserve to be told
I know. What about the people in the factory who makes scooby snacks? Did they not play a role in scooby Doo solving so many mysteries?
@@ShawnJonesHellion I'd love to hear about the story of a blind, mute and deaf homeless Roman man in 333 BC who nobody knew, he's got to have an interesting story
In an alternate reality where Rome never fell and stands to this day in place of the USA, those "the most interesting man in the world" commercials would've been about Titus Manlius.
I really like this view 6:27 as you tell the story, I can make a better picture on how it was. Great video!
This is an awesome video and story
More videos like this? Hell yeah! Yes please!
This was awesome, a series on guys like this would be great!
As a kid I grew up with the stories of Manlius Torquatus and Mutius Scevola…..these were true legends to aspire to.
Good thing!
Your kids or your grandkids will grow up to stories about the tale of emma and his two moms and lot of good stuffs.
Well that was a pretty dark ending
This deserves more views
I'd personally really like any less well known era in Roman history, this was fantastic, a breath of fresh air. A for instance?? You hear about Scipio Africanus and the Scipio involved in the disagreements with Julius Caesar but you rarely hear about the Scipio's before Africanus.
An Amazing video like always
Glad you enjoyed! Cheers!
You are doing IVPPITER’s work! AVE! Keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Manly - excessive severity.
I appreciate the history behind this.
Only hell yes!!! Make this series come true!!
Noted! :D
The first ‘NO UMMM BUT ACCCUALLY!’ But strong as hell and in charge of everyone
Hearing the intro music made me think of Napoleon's coronation from Epic History TY's video on him and the Battle of Austerlitz.
Edit: I believe that his logic and reasoning for killing his son was pointless since it did not dissuade other future consuls, soldiers, or generals from defying either military orders or sent proclamations; despite the Romans of posterity having a deep respect for him, it was not enough to stop them from straying from his views. I would consider Caesar marching on Rome a perfect example of a future Roman going against Torquatus' example since Caesar defied the will of the senate and the Senatus consultum ultimum.
David Goggins: hold my son
Gaius Mucius Scaevola, the first man to get the cognomen Scaevola, would be an interesting episode.
Also Cincinnatus was a great role model, Cincinnati has it's name in his honor.
Yeah do a series like this episode that would be good
This chanel is Gold
I appreciate your comment, friend!
@@HistoriaMilitum i have watched all of your videos at least five times
@@HistoriaMilitum this is quality
@@HistoriaMilitum could you make video about centurion's
@@Skankhunt-uf4nd I am flattered.. I am glad you like the videos! I have more videos planned to cover the legions and the centurions will definitely get more spotlights! :)
Publius Decius Mus was another bad ass too. The early Romans were on another level. It's really inspiring
Mus was a legend indeed! We plan to cover him in a future video!
@@HistoriaMilitum Awesome. I look forward to it. Thank you so much for your work!
Oh i love Akiliz and Hekter! They are old fashion warlords.
Sounds like what Caesar's legion from Fallout modeled themselves after
what kind of software do you use when making the tactial maps? and moving those rectangles like that?
I mostly use after effects :)
You're videos are so much more informative than those of any other channel on ancient Rome. I don't mind that most channels focus mostly on the more popular eras in Roman History (Caesar's civil war, First Principate, 5 good emperors) it's just that most other channels patronise and treat the viewer like they've never even picked up a book before. Your videos are a breath of fresh air, keep it up.
Thanks so much! We will definitely continue targetting less popular but fascinating sections of Roman history. Glad you are with us!
Idk man I don’t see any of what you’re talking about ngl
I love that part of the Greek idea of the ideal man was a good and loving father.
Yes please. Tell us more.
Most ordinary men would not be able to do this to their own child , but that is what separates great leader from most of people . Rome would probably never made it trough the early stages and the history would have been totally different if it was not for extraordinary men like Manlius.
Would you kill your mother if she broke roman military law?
Many great men and leaders didn't kill their sons,do,'t say that like it's the norm
Cincinnatus would also be a great Roman official to do a video on.
Every guy who complained about his dad being a strict asshole needs to hear this story
Thank you very much
Titus Manlius was Horation Cocles from diferent time, or was champions say in TWR2
"I am Horatio Reborn!"
Imagine how disgusted this man would be with the youth of today. His name is very apt, it’s becoming a lost quality in the west. This is an excellent and unconventional subject which I absolutely love. Thank you for taking the time to share it with us
You are most welcome! The story definitely exposes a big gap in morals between their time and ours, but regardless of the time, killing your son is the most harsh display.
@@HistoriaMilitum is there really a big gap in morality in many ways we have more morality in today's world than the Romans had
i swear to god i zoned out and didnt realize the ad till like 20 seconds in. i was like wait a minute here....hold up.....
great video
You should make a similar video of the Roman general Lucius Papirus Cursor
Marcus Valerius Corvus is underrated too
With a name like Titus MANlius Torquatus, how can you not be a Bad Ass. 💪😎
Deep stuff!