He was there for the beginning and got left behind while hip hop moved on you call those people corny old heads haters haters haters that think the only type of hip hop that matters and thats good is THEIRS the one from "back in their day" 😂😂 L i wish they could know how corny that is for the rest of the hip hop community its sad legend has it old head ears die at the age of 30
He’s cut from that cloth of an era where your pen game had to be on fire! KRS One, Rakim, NAS, Black Thought, Talib Kweli, Jadakiss, Biggie Smalls, Common, Method Man.....DMX. Those dudes are legends on the MIC.
@@djrevue4106 fo sho, I think the only people that could really go bar for bar is krs, rakim, and method man, he could body the rest of these legends. All respect to every legend on that list tho
I always hear people shit on a rapper because it’s the cool thing to do. And they haven’t heard one song. Mostly people who grew up on 90s Rap. One guy said that Cole and Kendrick were Mumble Rappers without listening to them. It’s just hilarious to me. Lol!
Lupe never gets a mention but if anyone has ever heard his entire body of work they’d have to throw his name in. I’m talking entendres, metaphors, concepts. Every line means something and not everyone digs that but he’s up there.
GZA’s problem is his lack of charisma. You can’t just thrive off of lyricism alone. You have to have entertainment value. This is why Ghostface, Rae, and Meth stand out the most out of all the members of the Wu..because they all have charisma that demands your attention. Ghost’s gritty, hood mafia street narratives and humor, Raekwon’s slang, Meth’s witty personality etc. GZA is a highly skilled MC, but he lacks charisma to keep a listener invested.
yes he did in a way ,because he was the first mc do your research . vlad tv has another interview where he says he was second ,scott la rock was kinda of first .
Caz is correct......Now-a-day it's simply rap instead of Hip-Hop. Anybody. can rap but Hip-Hop is the name if the whole game. Real Hip-Hop is a competitive sport, focused on skill, rhythm and charisma. And also wowing and entertaining the listener. It also includes the incredibly fun art of mixing and scratching records,. And last but not least, let's not forget.......WRITING LYRICS!!!
People used to rap during . . . songs. lol. Now they just put the same monotonous emo rap on the same recycled beat with the same recycled overbearing bass. And as far as lyrics go, they should have it easier because they have no restraints. They aren't conforming their lyrics to fit within the structure of a song they could end any rap whenever they want on these crap beats and it wouldn't make a difference. And despite that they still suck.
Because all these new cats don't have the same level of talent as the guys who laid the foundations. They have more exposure and marketing and shit. They have a broader reach. So dumb fucks think just cause it reaches more people now, it's better. Fuck No. I feel exactly how Caz feels, except I would throw J. Cole, Joey Bad A$$, Lupe Fiasco and Drake on this list. Drake has some hot bars when he tries. I mean he doesn't really try a lot. He puts a lot a lot of sing song R&B type shit. But when he just spits bars, he got bars.
That be the NYC OG's that show no love or the youth just don't fuck with the OG's because they look at rap as a competition...everywhere else doesn't see it that way, it's more of a business so people help each other out more ........In the South, Bun B, 3-6 will do songs with the new artists...In the West, Snoop, E-40 and Too Short will do songs with the new guys...in the Midwest, Twista will do songs with new artists
murakulus Nah, it's mainly the other way around. I've heard plenty of older rappers and producers give props to younger cats like Kendrick, J Cole, Joey Badass, etc. More times than not, it's the younger cats talking about "get that old sh!t outta here" or "don't nobody wanna hear these old outdated niggas". A lot of younger cats barely wanna listen to anything outside of the newer stuff.
I'm a hip hop head... I can listen to KRS 1, camron, 2Pac & chief keef in the same hour.... A true hip hop head enjoys it all.... He sounds like someone who's stuck in the 80's
I fuck with some Chiraq shit, Juicy J, Old school 36 mafia. UGK, Old & new New Orleans shyt, all that Even if i grew up on G-Funk, Mobb Music and 90s and 80s New York shyt. I even fuck with Electro-hop Shoutout to Egyptian Lover lol
soo....if you're a hip hop head then you must know hip hop's elements, chief keif isnt hip hop, he isnt an MC hes just a rapper with a flashy beat..and true hip hop heads enjoy HIP HOP not this trap/drill shit music
***** in fairness, if u look at all the legends, kool G, Rakim, Big daddy and of course now grandmaster caz, you will find eminem's name comes up every time, eminem is not in my top 10 favorite rappers to listen to, but 100% 10 top lyricist.
***** Em is dope no doubt, but I would've put Pun in that spot. I'm surprised Caz didn't mention Pun since they're both from the Bronx. Blame it on the mind not the heart I guess.
One person that is left off this list is K-Rino. South park coalition is still the most known unknowns. K-Rino is the best lyricist I've ever heard since Caz or Mel. Props!
@@BijinMCMXC prove it to me that he is and y would you lower yourself to that garbage be who your are and stop misleading people why play ignorant or stupid if your not u got to take a stand.
Caz is and has always been a very sharp and analytical when it comes to interviews and panel discussions regarding hip-hop. He's one of the pioneers of this artform. He's seen it all! So whether you agree with him or not, he has every right to speak on this topic. Btw, Pretty much everything he mentioned I agree with. I have so much respect for my Bronx native! Peace!
Darryl Scott Caz came off like he's hating his less than fortunate life. He said "he can write what Tupac wrote, if he was thinking like Tupac was thinking, I highly doubt it, the pitiful part is that, I can't name at least 3 good song from Caz, that's some pitiful shit and on top of that, he's still alive and my nigga Makaveli been dead for nearly a quarter of a century and still more relevant this Caz. We all are entitled to our opinion, but not slander, or defamation and that's exactly what Caz subliminally tried to do. It's all good, his kids will learn more about Makaveli in colleges than they will about their own dad.
"My only fear of death is reincarnation, heart of a solja, wit a brain to teach a whole nation, and feelin no more pain" that's not lyricism?.. that's pure poetry..
* Grandmaster Caz * Kool Moe Dee * Melle Mel * Rakim * Big Daddy Kane * Kool G Rap * KRS One * Nas * Black Thought * Eminem * Notorious Big * Big L My Dirty Dozen Honourable mentions = Slick Rick, Jadakiss & Jay Z
@@montoyamontoya579 Yeah U right bro, I had another look at my list & thought, where is Nas, how the hell did I get all those likes void of Nas on my list 🙈
This is the real deal... He said he doesn't consider them as hiphop.. it's true.. you arent hiphop if you don't incorporate the 5 elements of hiphop.. none of these kids out now days know a damn thing about what hiphop really is.
TOTALLY discredits Tupac's genius. It's actually pretty laughable to think Pac just wrote whatever LMAO!!! But yea...If you look at his Top 10 rapper list, 9 of the 10 are from NY. Typical NY bias...
possumslim New York will never forgive Pac for turning his back on them for the West Coast... They are going to always discredit his legacy.. It still burns deep down in their souls....
Mobbstarr Mobbin I think Rakim is everyones favorite rapper who love rap music, but it just feels kind a uncomfortable that Ra isn't really known by the world. I mean, only hip-hop heads know about him.
4:03 Eminem is a great Lyricist lyricist lyricist ... and some folks keep saying Em overrated . Rakim, kool g rap, redman, grandmaster caz all of them said Eminem is a great Lyricist
he gonna think vlad dont know shit when he goes to check out 2 chains. he gonna be like what the fuck vlad got me on. " i think 2 chains is a lyricist" vlad when you say shit like that it's hard to defend you
Everybody after Biggie and them are kinda take it or leave it for me. When you've already seen the best that hip hop has to offer, everything else is blah.
quempto I respect that but he did rap about some real shit like toy soldiers sing for the moment mocking bird rock bottom lose ur self the monster beautiful till I collapse
bro...he said he listens to Barry manalow...he doesn’t listen to new music so what’s the basis to ask him a question on new artist? it’s like asking Chef Ramsey about Fast food... you know 100000% what his reaction would be
He said he doesn't follow the new artists....my thing is how can you say you love Hip-Hop if you ain't keeping your ear to the street? And then these niggas wonder why the youth in NY ain't trying to hear them...because you don't fuck with the youth nigga.
the 90s was the best era. That's why Joey Bad A$$ is so good cause he sounds like they plucked him from the golden era of Hip-Hop and dropped him in 2012
+vice2vursa You are taking it out of context. He meant as in a complex lyricism. Was 2pac a god damn feel trip poet, HELL YEAH. But was he a complex lyricist, I don't think so. In most of his rap, 2pac goes straightforward. He calls a number 10 , a number 10. Complex Lyricist like Nas or Even Eminem, if you say, utter it in a more different way, like, What is (4+5-2+3+2-3+4+2)^2
tushar kaushik yeah I know, I said it for the ironic humor in it. a lot of people like to go around and claim tupac is the greatest rapper, most associate lyricism with tupac being givin that title even though dude was basic. in this video we here 2 chainz getting referred to as being lyrical in the same video where tupac is not considered a lyricist. it's just ironic and funny to me. But yeah most people who understands the art of hiphop know tupac was no lyrical genius. Nas and Eminem (my favorite rapper) are the ones that achieve that title.
tushar kaushik so metophors are not complex???. Listen to 2pac and big daddy kane song wherever you are and tell me his lyrics are not complex pac has best of both worlds this mans a fkn idiot wow
4real how he forget to mention big L Eminem and jay-z kinda got they style from big L his delivery was crazy they slept on big L he never get mention when comes down to top five or 10 mc
@@ATMFX-uv3ox Both em and jigga have been influenced by L.Hov got that fast flow and he likes to switch up his flow(or at least before he sold out),and Em got that horrocore type a vibe to him.Em even mentioned L in that one song with 50 cent.
so basically his top ten is NY, NY,NY,NY,NY,NY,NY,.......Eminem. "I could have wrote like 2pac" lol. Yea and I could cure cancer but I'm not thinking like that
Hip-Hop fell off past 2000. Battle Rappers are the only ones coming with that pure Rap I once loved. Hip-Hop was seriously hot in late 80's to mid 90's.
If the shit Pac was doing was so easy & simple, everyone would've done it. If all those other guys were such great lyricist, why do some of them only have one to three albums? Pac had like six or seven album before he died. That man's body of work speaks for itself.
In my opinion, I feel that top 5, or any top-list is unnecessary. I think, 'cause you put so and so in, but forget guys like Rakim, Treach, Common, Mos Def, EPMD, Ghostface Killah , Big Pun, Talib Kwali, Eminem, Big L, Chuck D, DMX, and so on. Maybe that's just me...
Poulen Grimsley Right. Technically speaking, you can't compare, for example, Big L to Eminem, 'cause Em is either a 'Fuck you, satire'- type rapper or an inspirational type, and Big L was a say anything, 'cause it rhymes rapper. But they're both dope.
Brian Fortiz True. That's why I think true lyricism/lyricist change cultures and transforms people through music. A hot song is just a hot song. That music is just for the moment.
Perfect example is why the record company is not putting up the money to get Bobby shomeny dance kings out of jail. If he was on some real shit then they would have got him out hella fast. lmao sorry bobby you was a quick cash cow.
Every person who listens to rap in the east coast will always put Biggie above Tupac. I don't get it. Is it an east coast pride or something? Or you can't acknowledge Tupac as a lyrical beast?
@@corneilmadison9436 if we're going off lyrics, metaphors, etc. Pac is not too ten. And that's what these old heads go by. But Pac in my top ten I'm just saying I see where he's coming from
Lets break it down. Definition of lyricism 1) the quality or state of being lyric : songfulness 2) (a) : an intense personal quality expressive of feeling or emotion in an art (such as poetry or music) (b) : exuberance - the sort of author who inspires lyricism or invective, not judicious interpretation Allow me to simplify "AN INTENSE PERSONAL QUALITY EXPRESSIVE OF FEELING OR EMOTION IN AN ART (SUCH AS POETRY OR MUSIC)" Based on this definition, 2pac is the embodiment of lyricism Rap = Flow, Creativity, Voice, Content, Delivery/Energy, Credibility My personal preference in order of importance; 1. Content (Message) 2. Voice 3. Delivery/Energy/Passion 4. Credibility (Do they live the life they rap about?) 5 Flow 6. Creativity./Word play Top artists for each category; 1. Content = Immortal Tech, Dead Prez, 2pac 2. Voice = 2pac, DMX, Method Man, Nate Dogg, Snoop, Ice Cube, Ja Rule, Kasinova 3. Delivery/Energy/Passion = 2pac, DMX, Mystical 4. Credibility = 2pac, DMX, 50 Cent, Eazy E 5. Flow = Biggie, Nas, KRS, Rakim, Raekwon, Big Pun, Big L, Eminem, Big Daddy Kane, Snoop Dogg, Warren G, Kurupt, 2pac 6. Creativity/Word Play = Same as Above 2pac does not necessarily have the best Content, Voice, Delivery/Energy, Flow, Creativity but overall he has the most consistent qualities. His content may not be on Immortal Tech level but its good enough, plus he has a better voice, delivery/Energy, flow. 2pac in my opinion has the best voice followed by DMX 2pac does not necessarily have the passion & energy as Mystical or DMX but it is better than Eminem, Nas, Jay z, Rakim etc 2pac may not have been shot 9 times & made hundreds of thousand of dollars selling drugs like 50 cent but there are not many rappers who have been through what he has been through. He definitely lives the life he raps about. If I cant believe what the rapper is saying then I cant listen to them. 2pac does not consistently flow like Eminem, Biggie, Nas etc but he does have a handful of songs which are right up there. But he has better content/message, voice delivery/passion. 2pac is not necessarily creative, in fact he isnt. He gets straight to the point. He doesnt want people analyzing his words, he wants people to hear his message. With that said, Me & My Girlfriend is on another level. He tells not 1 but 2 stories (girlfriend & gun) and has great flow. Cant get any more creative than Me and My Girlfriend. Overall as a complete package = 2pac Your favorite rapper depends what qualities are important to you. Those that prefer flow & creativity prefer Biggie, Em, Nas, Jay z etc. For me I prefer content, voice & delivery & Credibility, therefore 2pac is the best overall rapper. And based off of the definition of "lyricism"...2pac is the king of lyricism.
Tupac is the epitomy of lyricism ..big epitomises flow Eminem has zero flow his raps are forced and he raps fast forced and concocted its like a hip hop AI
@@Ameil thank you for correcting me I have an English proficiency test coming up so I need all the help I can get... Back to hip hop I don't think Eminem has much substance he lacks flow his rhymes are not smooth man...its like he just throws a dictionary at fans and calls it a day..he is to technical with it its not as organic as say my nigga Scarface even jigga
@@manicabawse2867 people always praise Eminem about the technical writing and rapping skills but back when I was a hip-hop oriented nightclub DJ the hip-hop crown didn't request Eminem songs and instead requested Jay Z, Biggie DMX. 50 Cent, I always took it as Eminem kinda making clowning around songs or just stuff that that the HipHop crowd didn't really relate to. Suburban white teens loved Eminem but that's not who was the Hip-hop nightclub crowd or the radio mixshow listeners. Eminem is kinda like the virtuoso guitarists that's shreds and shows off abilities when the people that are not musicians just want a relatable song instead.
The Works more like pig minds shit alike. He mentioned a lot of other rappers before coming to Em but you racists can't look past his skin. A white guy who likes Em is dickriding him as if Em got no skills. Em haters are twice as obnxious as his toxic stans. I'm not a Stan but i do know for a fact that Em would rap circles around your favourite rapper and your fav rapper would agree so you can fuck outta here.
I think it is about trying to 'test' them. Do they think Em's fluffed up and overhyped? Do they think he's great even though they can't feel what he sings about? Do they look past the lyrics? Etc. It's about starting conversations. Grandmaster Caz came up with a bunch of jews, Puerto Ricans, rastamen, Vikings, and bboys. He's not going to fall into the racist traps that some artists do *cough cough Lord Jamar cough cough* but he's not from Detroit, he's from a different generation, etc. There's shades of grey that can come out of the questions.
There's not a lot of people who make you feel the music like Pac did and he was a thinker. His beat selection is freaking crazy. Some of those beats were before their time. Pac is one of the greatest for his impact. Music ain't just bout lyrics. If you saying dope shit and yo beat flat the track is trash. Pac still in my Top 10
I'm from the UK and the lyricism here is rubbish. Stormzy and Dave are considered lyricists and intelligent, but compare that to a Nas or someone like that, they just don't match up. It's easy to put people on a pedestal who are considerably better than those around them when those around them are trash! And UK drill is terrible too. No musicality or thought process, just 'I'm harder than you'
Yea some of my favorite lyricists are from that area, for example Akala, Lowkey and Rhyme Asylum are fucking fantastic and are killing it when it comes to lyrics. Check em out if you haven’t heard of them
What about Big L? Had Big L lived beyond 1999 this conversation would be drastically different. I still haven't heard a song like Ebonics. Nas said in an interview that Big L was no one to play with and that he was the only rapper he lyrically feared.
Massive respect for Grandmaster Caz! I wanna believe what he is sayin about Em but I haven't heard anything from Em that is truly prolific! Em can tear it up don't get me wrong but Im still waiting for Em to do Hip Hop! And I don't wanna hear about his family over and over and over and over and over....
I disagree with that , as you get older your taste in music will always be more towards your era. Doesn’t mean you don’t appreciate it but it’s not your era so if you make it another 20 to 30 years you’ll understand what he’s saying. You won’t be listening to your kids or grandkids music like you would your own...
I’m sure why he said so many New York artist is because he is from New York so you’re probably going to hear mostly East Coast artists and he also said he doesn’t really listen to a lot of music now but given that he is one of the originators of rap his views like your own as you get older will differ from the younger crowd and once you have kids & grandkids you won’t really be checking for there music either
You understand me bro, Royce is the best these days. Listen to the PRhyme album that shit is fire. I went to their tour holy fuck it was lit. Preemo was insane.
To me Noveliss of Clear Soul Forces (and L.A.Z. E-Fav and Illajide as well actually), Underachievers, Denzel Curry, Kendrick Lamar, Mick Jenkins and Add-2 stand out as the best lyricists from this era that come to mind whilst typing. Much respect to Caz ofcourse, who is an essential legend to the culture
Ten dopest emcees... Rakim,Guru, Black Thought, Kool G Rap, Kane, AZ, LL,Nas, Jada, Eminem. In no particular order. Honorable mention, Slick Rick, Big Pun, KRS, Treach
VLAD: I actually would consider 2 Chainz a lyricist.
CLOCK OUT NIGGA YA FIRED!!!!
This is his channel bruh. Hold this L lol
Mind ya business kid. Nigga you look like Atown!
Cris LeRoi Hahahaha that nigga does look like A-Town
Romano Hey I'm just an instigator. Say something about that nigga mama.
LMAO...^^^
I hope y'all understand that this man was there for damn near all of Hip Hop's existence.
How does this affect NBA Youngboy’s legacy?
Nah g
He was there for the beginning and got left behind while hip hop moved on you call those people corny old heads haters haters haters that think the only type of hip hop that matters and thats good is THEIRS the one from "back in their day" 😂😂 L i wish they could know how corny that is for the rest of the hip hop community its sad legend has it old head ears die at the age of 30
Doesn't matter
@@tamarajakovlenasas4765 youre such a loser dude lmao
“I don’t even consider at hip hop” it just rap music, cats that just got s deal”👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
facts
😂😂😂
So great to finally hear somebody imporant say that publicly. Much respect to Caz!
Grandmaster Cas: "I dont wanna discredit it either"
Vlad TV "What shoul we make the title?"
Cas HATES all music ever, even his own. Part. 7 of 14
It bothered me a lot when i heard 2 Chainz get called a lyricist
lmao at least he didn't say Future
if 2 chains is a lyricist then CANIBUS must be god
T.J. Wells LMMFAO
Same here, Vlad smoking crack.
T.J. Wells culture vulture vlad
Rakim, KRS, G Rap, Kane, Black Thought, Masta Ace, Slick Rick, Nas, Biggie, Kool Keith, Big L and the list goes on.
Muthaphukkin _ blue _ Gargantua good list man
GZA, Guru, KRS.
Big Pun, GOAT
Joseph Whitfield eminem has sold more then tupac...
Richard Lynch he fucking white
382 people didn't even know who's *Grandmaster Caz* is..
Moozy Mathers 382 people saw through vlad bullshit
Mark Blair u best respect the grandmaster
Fuck a grandmaster
Mark Blair stfu dumbass youngin😂😂😂u don't know shit
Moozy Mathers That's Sad
That's when you realize that no matter how deeply entrenched he is in the movement, Vlad is still a visitor.
Vlad is not as much into Hip Hop as he claims to be, I think
A guest
I can listen to Caz all day because he was there. He knows!
Exactly what I thought
He’s cut from that cloth of an era where your pen game had to be on fire!
KRS One, Rakim, NAS, Black Thought, Talib Kweli, Jadakiss, Biggie Smalls, Common, Method Man.....DMX. Those dudes are legends on the MIC.
r.a the rugged man
Canibus
Mos def
@@djrevue4106 fo sho, I think the only people that could really go bar for bar is krs, rakim, and method man, he could body the rest of these legends. All respect to every legend on that list tho
@@salladiallo9766 just replace Talib Kweli with black star, then you got both wrapped in a beauty package
I'm glad he said that he can't discredit anybody's music cuz he doesn't listen to it. To many artist talk shit about music without listening to it.
Michael Ryan they hear that shit on the radio, and thats how they know.
Yeah but there is alot of rappers I thought was trash cuz there radio hits but there albums would be fire
I always hear people shit on a rapper because it’s the cool thing to do. And they haven’t heard one song. Mostly people who grew up on 90s Rap. One guy said that Cole and Kendrick were Mumble Rappers without listening to them. It’s just hilarious to me. Lol!
Lupe never gets a mention but if anyone has ever heard his entire body of work they’d have to throw his name in. I’m talking entendres, metaphors, concepts. Every line means something and not everyone digs that but he’s up there.
GZA man. smh he's so overlooked
It's hard to do a top 10 without it being some ties - Jeeeez - GZA was a beast... so is Black Thought and Royce 5'9
GZA’s problem is his lack of charisma. You can’t just thrive off of lyricism alone. You have to have entertainment value. This is why Ghostface, Rae, and Meth stand out the most out of all the members of the Wu..because they all have charisma that demands your attention. Ghost’s gritty, hood mafia street narratives and humor, Raekwon’s slang, Meth’s witty personality etc. GZA is a highly skilled MC, but he lacks charisma to keep a listener invested.
@@SageofSorrow Valid point
Gaza is my favorite lyricist, lyricism to me is all about the lyrics
gza was boring too. gza didn't have shit on big pun. big pun is the best ever.
kool G rap one of the best of all time
Trell Tinsley no doubt cool g rap #1 DJ Polo I'm on the road to the riches
Yes he is. Kool G Rap is underrated.
💯 _--G.RAP-_-
Ill street blues my fave
@@Starwalker-lu3ot 😂😂😂 How the hell is he underrated. Thats why hes called, " your favourite rappers favourite rapper" is it??
No love for my man Big L
Red Forman forreals!
Kitty is a bitch
My foot up your ass is a bitch
Red Forman I love big l
peace and love to Big L he is on my Top 5 or 10
Grandmaster Caz: Em is in another level
Lord Jamar/Nick Cannon: You don’t know shit.
Yea, I'd love to see Jamar's face while he was listening to Caz saying that lol
You must be some whiteboy
@@chrissmith8216 You must be some idiot
@@chrissmith8216 Imagine ignoring someones opinion because of his skin colour
Thats kinda racist
how can u tell grandmaster caz what hip hop is
+Marley Cams yeah these interviewers piss me off.
For real
yes he did in a way ,because he was the first mc do your research . vlad tv has another interview where he says he was second ,scott la rock was kinda of first .
Nature Man it was coke la rock who was the first MC, it’s easy to get confused with both .
yeah I meant coke la rock sorry
damn did vlad say 2 chainz is a good lyricist?. Soon as you hear some shit like that you should hear a life ending slap afterwards.
Caz is correct......Now-a-day it's simply rap instead of Hip-Hop. Anybody. can rap but Hip-Hop is the name if the whole game. Real Hip-Hop is a competitive sport, focused on skill, rhythm and charisma. And also wowing and entertaining
the listener. It also includes the incredibly fun art of mixing and scratching records,. And last but not least, let's not forget.......WRITING LYRICS!!!
People used to rap during . . . songs. lol. Now they just put the same monotonous emo rap on the same recycled beat with the same recycled overbearing bass. And as far as lyrics go, they should have it easier because they have no restraints. They aren't conforming their lyrics to fit within the structure of a song they could end any rap whenever they want on these crap beats and it wouldn't make a difference. And despite that they still suck.
y'all sound old asf.
Hip Hop is inspirational and communal. It does not destroy it builds.
@@acct4600 get off the internet young head
@@acct4600 Angry because you can’t accept facts
They're talking new rappers, and everyone's angry that their favorites from the 80s and 90s aren't mentioned. lol
This why rap is the only genre with an age limit… because the older dudes hate giving the new generations credit, and they lose touch
Right, old rap guy's stay mad
Because all these new cats don't have the same level of talent as the guys who laid the foundations. They have more exposure and marketing and shit. They have a broader reach. So dumb fucks think just cause it reaches more people now, it's better. Fuck No. I feel exactly how Caz feels, except I would throw J. Cole, Joey Bad A$$, Lupe Fiasco and Drake on this list. Drake has some hot bars when he tries. I mean he doesn't really try a lot. He puts a lot a lot of sing song R&B type shit. But when he just spits bars, he got bars.
That be the NYC OG's that show no love or the youth just don't fuck with the OG's because they look at rap as a competition...everywhere else doesn't see it that way, it's more of a business so people help each other out more ........In the South, Bun B, 3-6 will do songs with the new artists...In the West, Snoop, E-40 and Too Short will do songs with the new guys...in the Midwest, Twista will do songs with new artists
Kay ouch!!
murakulus Nah, it's mainly the other way around. I've heard plenty of older rappers and producers give props to younger cats like Kendrick, J Cole, Joey Badass, etc. More times than not, it's the younger cats talking about "get that old sh!t outta here" or "don't nobody wanna hear these old outdated niggas". A lot of younger cats barely wanna listen to anything outside of the newer stuff.
I'm a hip hop head... I can listen to KRS 1, camron, 2Pac & chief keef in the same hour.... A true hip hop head enjoys it all.... He sounds like someone who's stuck in the 80's
daniel jayson I think people forget hip hop is more than just spitting some bars over a beat
I fuck with some Chiraq shit, Juicy J, Old school 36 mafia. UGK, Old & new New Orleans shyt, all that
Even if i grew up on G-Funk, Mobb Music and 90s and 80s New York shyt. I even fuck with Electro-hop
Shoutout to Egyptian Lover lol
Best comment ive seen in years...good job
soo....if you're a hip hop head then you must know hip hop's elements, chief keif isnt hip hop, he isnt an MC hes just a rapper with a flashy beat..and true hip hop heads enjoy HIP HOP not this trap/drill shit music
andy roms first off hip hop is the culture, rap is the by product of said culture...try that shit with someone else my good sir.
When Grandmaster Caz speaks Hip Hop, we listen and learn. Salute legend!
Big L,and Pun definetly should have been included in this conversation.Them 2 are arguably the most talented rappers ever!!!
Facts
Definitely. You could even argue Big Pun and Big L proved they were better then Biggie and Tupac, they just didn't blow up as big as them.
Big L could be the greatest of all time, no question... and my man Sean Price...... gotta mention Grym Reaper & Rappin Ron too... R.I.P.
@@OpiChaggar you can sit tf down somewhere biggie maybe not close to pac
Most definately RIP to the legends
Glad he put Em in his top 10. Every other name he mentioned is also dope. Glad he doesn't think 2 Chainz & all them other clowns are Hip Hop.
***** that ian beale pic is peak lmao
***** in fairness, if u look at all the legends, kool G, Rakim, Big daddy and of course now grandmaster caz, you will find eminem's name comes up every time, eminem is not in my top 10 favorite rappers to listen to, but 100% 10 top lyricist.
***** Em is dope no doubt, but I would've put Pun in that spot. I'm surprised Caz didn't mention Pun since they're both from the Bronx. Blame it on the mind not the heart I guess.
oRuTRa45 He didn't mention Pun because well....... he wasn't great.
Franky Baby foh
One person that is left off this list is K-Rino. South park coalition is still the most known unknowns. K-Rino is the best lyricist I've ever heard since Caz or Mel. Props!
Agree and Devin dude,outcast,big kirt,Zro,big mike,bun b and scarface,quit hating the souf
The south doesn’t get no luv and I agree and nobody fuckin wit Rino when it comes to lyricism
@@3rdcoastbornandraise779 Outkast, Scarface definitely belong on a top 10 list. The others you mentioned aren't on par with them.
@@j-remy9832 yo opinion fam and I respect that now respect mines
@@j-remy9832 you're pretty lame if you think K-Rino isn't dope, in my book he's number one
"2 Chainz is a lyricist", i think vlad has lost it
You just don't actually listen to 2 chainz music
He's wick, wick, wack!
Crack is a bad bad drug
Y’all wylin 2 Chainz is a lyricist for real and he’s been around a LONG time. He’s damn near 40. He dumbs himself down because that’s what sells.
@@BijinMCMXC prove it to me that he is and y would you lower yourself to that garbage be who your are and stop misleading people why play ignorant or stupid if your not u got to take a stand.
Caz is and has always been a very sharp and analytical when it comes to interviews and panel discussions regarding hip-hop. He's one of the pioneers of this artform. He's seen it all! So whether you agree with him or not, he has every right to speak on this topic. Btw, Pretty much everything he mentioned I agree with. I have so much respect for my Bronx native! Peace!
Darryl Scott Caz came off like he's hating his less than fortunate life. He said "he can write what Tupac wrote, if he was thinking like Tupac was thinking, I highly doubt it, the pitiful part is that, I can't name at least 3 good song from Caz, that's some pitiful shit and on top of that, he's still alive and my nigga Makaveli been dead for nearly a quarter of a century and still more relevant this Caz. We all are entitled to our opinion, but not slander, or defamation and that's exactly what Caz subliminally tried to do. It's all good, his kids will learn more about Makaveli in colleges than they will about their own dad.
2chainz is no where near a lyricist
Blank Name riiight!
only vlad would say eminen and not someone like guru, masta ace, big boi, andre 3000, big l, big pun, list goes on.
I like Eminem. he's one of my favorite. but vlad stay using his name in every interview. he will find a way to mention him.
+kee wakita Guru was good.
+Brandon Thomas Eminem was lame.
he stays on ems nuts like pubic hair. has he ever interviewed him btw
ikr
This dude was creating hip hop when disco was in style this guy is a god of creating hip hop
Prodigy ,ice cube ,kook moe d ,LL ,big pun and big L don't get the respect they deserve lyrically !!!
Ice cube
I don't see enough people mention Bandana P. From '95 to '00, Prodigy was one of the illest out there.
Or Pharoahe Monch.
Ll
im glad to hear he likes technique good to hear from a vet
"My only fear of death is reincarnation, heart of a solja, wit a brain to teach a whole nation, and feelin no more pain" that's not lyricism?.. that's pure poetry..
Who wrote that?
@@emeraldthunda536 No More Pain by 2Pac
Thats not lyricism that's preachin, he wasnt perfect but he was down for the Earth
@@emeraldthunda536 What is lyricism to you?
@@emeraldthunda536hearts of men was preaching
2:17 "I coulda wrote what 2 pac wrote if i was thinkin the way he thought" bro what? yea obviously bro.
Lol pure foolishness
I actually know what he means tho even though his choice of words are funny. He's differentiating a poet from a lyrical technician.
I could've came up with the same theories as Einstien if I thought the way he thought
@@PinHeadzBlackson exactly.
You missed the point
* Grandmaster Caz
* Kool Moe Dee
* Melle Mel
* Rakim
* Big Daddy Kane
* Kool G Rap
* KRS One
* Nas
* Black Thought
* Eminem
* Notorious Big
* Big L
My Dirty Dozen
Honourable mentions = Slick Rick, Jadakiss & Jay Z
Mos Def !
Snoop doggg
And forgot Nas man
@@montoyamontoya579 facts
@@montoyamontoya579 Yeah U right bro, I had another look at my list & thought, where is Nas, how the hell did I get all those likes void of Nas on my list 🙈
This is the real deal... He said he doesn't consider them as hiphop.. it's true.. you arent hiphop if you don't incorporate the 5 elements of hiphop.. none of these kids out now days know a damn thing about what hiphop really is.
Exactly
what is hip hop?
Yhyh cause Hov out here breakdancing
+Black Lip Pastor nah but common is.
graffiti, breaking, beatboxing, dj'ing, mceeing
I understand what he means. 2Pac was more of a poet, than a lyricist.
Yup... he explained Tupac perfectly. It wasn't a dis, just fact.
Facts yet he was for our people.who does em represent in hiphop that he so great liricist liricist bullshit
Pac put the poetry in his lyricism .
A Revolutionary
@@Potencylogic that's real but it also goes back to the whites are guests in the house of hip hop. As 50 Cent said hip hop is black music
Totally disagree with his opinion on Pac.
It's new york hate.....
TOTALLY discredits Tupac's genius. It's actually pretty laughable to think Pac just wrote whatever LMAO!!! But yea...If you look at his Top 10 rapper list, 9 of the 10 are from NY. Typical NY bias...
PAC wasn't a lyricist
Lmao!!! At least New York cats are loyal. If Pac not a lyricist then fa sho Biggie not.
possumslim New York will never forgive Pac for turning his back on them for the West Coast... They are going to always discredit his legacy.. It still burns deep down in their souls....
I could listen to Grandmaster Caz for hours, if somebody wants to know what wisdom is... just listen to this man
We got the bible for that
@@taylorallen8933 I prefer real people
But he said he wasn't thoughtful as Tupac ! lol
Bro not even Kendrick or j.Cole.... smh
Exactly what I said
Spot on
The_one cam cam Kendrick and J Cole? They are slightly above average, only because there are so many shitty rappers out now.
The_one cam cam no.
Volumesofdoom j.Cole Maybe but kendrick.... he just brought back jazz bro who tf would of done that
2 chains is wack
Exactly!
Yr trippin!
@@sirepledge6808 naw that dude is horrible
@@sirepledge6808 nigga makes no sense when he raps lol
2chainz is for the newer generation.. But Tity Boi is his lyrical side.. Just go listen to the Tity boi side of chains
My favorites are: Tupac, Biggie, Ice Cube, 50 Cent, The Game, Q-Tip, Phife Dog, Jay Z, Nas.
I respect your taste, but calls my attention seen 50 cent named between all that great Mc's you mentioned.
Tribe is pretty good but I think gang starts lil bit better in my opinion
@@akihori I think tribe is more influential
@@jamalwalker04 same and there music is easier for people to get into
Maroan Ouadi 50 cent is dope fr really good song writer he might not be a lyricist but he nice.
Rap and Hip Hop are 2 diffrent things people!!! Don't argue with Caz!!
Wtf u chatting about...Rap is an element of hiphop,alongside (graff) writing, , bboyin and djing, know your history
"Hes a lyricist, lyricist....Lyricist"
So eminem's lyricism is basically at the level of super sayin 3.
Like shit 😂😂
@@kingkev6407 L
"I got Barry Manilow in my ipod now... I'm not even checking for the radio" .... LOL I'm not hating. He's right.
Eminem is great but he Not King. Rakim is King because he influenced so many rappers
Rakim is my GOAT.
yeah... Rakim is ill. Too sad he can't write hooks to make a decent song tough.
Life is God rakim is Eminem's favorite rapper
Mobbstarr Mobbin I think Rakim is everyones favorite rapper who love rap music, but it just feels kind a uncomfortable that Ra isn't really known by the world. I mean, only hip-hop heads know about him.
Life is God Eminem is king of his generation of Rap. Comparing Em to this generation there's much more competition though.
4:03 Eminem is a great Lyricist lyricist lyricist ... and some folks keep saying Em overrated . Rakim, kool g rap, redman, grandmaster caz all of them said Eminem is a great Lyricist
B-Real (Cypress), Ives Irie (Delinquent Habits), Prodigy (Mobb Deep), Redman, Methodman, Xzibit, Eminem, B.I.G., Duke (Psycho Realm), Sick Jacken (Psycho Realm)
lmao Vlad probably think Lil B a lyricist too
***** What..?? Lil B is a bar lord...Thank you Based god...
***** lil B can actually rap when he's serious. No bullshit either.
😂
truth be told 2 chains does have lyrical ability, he not your average southern trap rapper
2 Chains is trash
@Danone Amiss Facts💯
@@legendary9689 facts 😂😂😂🤣
Az would be in be in my top 5
he gonna think vlad dont know shit when he goes to check out 2 chains. he gonna be like what the fuck vlad got me on.
" i think 2 chains is a lyricist" vlad when you say shit like that it's hard to defend you
2 Chainz is a lyricist
@Wyatt Brunow why not? He has so many memorable lines
Everybody after Biggie and them are kinda take it or leave it for me. When you've already seen the best that hip hop has to offer, everything else is blah.
We all know Eminem has great skill set. I just don't agree when they crown him the King of our culture, and make him the face of hip hop.
I totally agree ✊
Yeah he aint no king!! 😂😂😂 And has nothing to do with hip hop..apart from rapping
quempto I respect that but he did rap about some real shit like toy soldiers sing for the moment mocking bird rock bottom lose ur self the monster beautiful till I collapse
quempto the list goes on
@@dreadlocsamurai4241 Yeah im well aware of Eminems pop hits, BUT..what has he got to do with Hip hop?
Kendrick Lamar, Hopsin, Joey Badass, J Cole, Ab-Soul & ect
bro...he said he listens to Barry manalow...he doesn’t listen to new music so what’s the basis to ask him a question on new artist? it’s like asking Chef Ramsey about Fast food... you know 100000% what his reaction would be
Trey Saliento You made an good ass point!
Amen ! You got that right ......
Joey Bada$$ isn't a lyricist?
ADAJ3 Word
Joey belongs on the list
He said he doesn't follow the new artists....my thing is how can you say you love Hip-Hop if you ain't keeping your ear to the street? And then these niggas wonder why the youth in NY ain't trying to hear them...because you don't fuck with the youth nigga.
Grandmaster some stuck in the 90s nigga
the 90s was the best era. That's why Joey Bad A$$ is so good cause he sounds like they plucked him from the golden era of Hip-Hop and dropped him in 2012
ahh man..........one is sayn 2pac aint no great lyricist ............and another that 2chains is a lyricist.........
+Indo .Productions lol, never thought I'd see the day where tupac is not considered lyrical and 2chainz is lol.
+vice2vursa You are taking it out of context. He meant as in a complex lyricism. Was 2pac a god damn feel trip poet, HELL YEAH. But was he a complex lyricist, I don't think so. In most of his rap, 2pac goes straightforward. He calls a number 10 , a number 10. Complex Lyricist like Nas or Even Eminem, if you say, utter it in a more different way, like,
What is (4+5-2+3+2-3+4+2)^2
tushar kaushik yeah I know, I said it for the ironic humor in it. a lot of people like to go around and claim tupac is the greatest rapper, most associate lyricism with tupac being givin that title even though dude was basic. in this video we here 2 chainz getting referred to as being lyrical in the same video where tupac is not considered a lyricist. it's just ironic and funny to me. But yeah most people who understands the art of hiphop know tupac was no lyrical genius. Nas and Eminem (my favorite rapper) are the ones that achieve that title.
Grandmaster dumb az
tushar kaushik so metophors are not complex???. Listen to 2pac and big daddy kane song wherever you are and tell me his lyrics are not complex pac has best of both worlds this mans a fkn idiot wow
I like how he included immortal technique in his top 5, and then left him out of his top 10 😂
Aside from Rakim, Caz is the hip-hop pioneer who's opinion I respect the most. He just seems so wise
he forgot big L and big pun in that top 5
4real how he forget to mention big L Eminem and jay-z kinda got they style from big L his delivery was crazy they slept on big L he never get mention when comes down to top five or 10 mc
Lmao he didn't even bother to choose rappers from the west or south. Nothing wrong with his list but that list is NY heavy except for Eminem 😂
He didnt forget Big L..lol..he just wasnt in his top 10. We all have opinions
@@ATMFX-uv3ox Both em and jigga have been influenced by L.Hov got that fast flow and he likes to switch up his flow(or at least before he sold out),and Em got that horrocore type a vibe to him.Em even mentioned L in that one song with 50 cent.
@@hiipower7977 NY has all the best mcs.
so basically his top ten is NY, NY,NY,NY,NY,NY,NY,.......Eminem. "I could have wrote like 2pac" lol. Yea and I could cure cancer but I'm not thinking like that
You obviously don't know who Grandmaster Caz is...😒😂
asheetuglasse lol u fckin clown
I guess you never heard of this great rapper. You should do some research before you come and diss a legend like that.
Anybody could write like Tupac. His success wad about his delivery.
@All Star If it actually was you would have completed the idea.
So shocked Vlad didn’t have Eminem’s name plastered in the title
Because it was positive
1.Rakim
2. Biggie
3.Pac
4.Krs-One
5.Kool G Rap
Vlad sounds dumb calling Two Chains so type of lyricist
Vlad always says stupid stuff.
He is.
Caz' face when Vlad mentions Lil Wayne is all of us.
Then he said Drake and the smile stopped, I bet anger started building in place of the laughter
😂
Well said
True pioneer of the art form . i'll take his word for it.
vlad be fishing for beef
Hip-Hop fell off past 2000. Battle Rappers are the only ones coming with that pure Rap I once loved. Hip-Hop was seriously hot in late 80's to mid 90's.
2 chains a lyricist?? Really dude?
Yes
If the shit Pac was doing was so easy & simple, everyone would've done it. If all those other guys were such great lyricist, why do some of them only have one to three albums? Pac had like six or seven album before he died. That man's body of work speaks for itself.
I don't think he was trying to clown Pac
vlad does not know hip hop!!!!!!!
In my opinion, I feel that top 5, or any top-list is unnecessary. I think, 'cause you put so and so in, but forget guys like Rakim, Treach, Common, Mos Def, EPMD, Ghostface Killah , Big Pun, Talib Kwali, Eminem, Big L, Chuck D, DMX, and so on. Maybe that's just me...
agreed!! Its just too many people that brought different shit to hip hop. It was all needed in my opinion. Who wants just one version of something??
Poulen Grimsley Right. Technically speaking, you can't compare, for example, Big L to Eminem, 'cause Em is either a 'Fuck you, satire'- type rapper or an inspirational type, and Big L was a say anything, 'cause it rhymes rapper. But they're both dope.
Brian Fortiz
True. That's why I think true lyricism/lyricist change cultures and transforms people through music. A hot song is just a hot song. That music is just for the moment.
That last part is fact. Let's see if Nicki Minaj or Chief Keef will last 10+ years. Then again, Keef's career is already dead.
Perfect example is why the record company is not putting up the money to get Bobby shomeny dance kings out of jail. If he was on some real shit then they would have got him out hella fast. lmao sorry bobby you was a quick cash cow.
Every person who listens to rap in the east coast will always put Biggie above Tupac. I don't get it. Is it an east coast pride or something? Or you can't acknowledge Tupac as a lyrical beast?
Pac lyrics were mediocre. Like Caz said anybody can do that. ENEMIES HENNESSEY. foh
i think the first time Eminem ever smiled was from when he watched this
“Pac said what he felt” wtf everyone else been doing then?
Exactly, his dumbass, why so jealous
@@corneilmadison9436 not jealous, you just don't understand what he means 🤦🏽♂️
@@douglassgarvey653 bro please
@@corneilmadison9436 if we're going off lyrics, metaphors, etc. Pac is not too ten. And that's what these old heads go by. But Pac in my top ten I'm just saying I see where he's coming from
post peel me and my girlfriend was an entire metaphor in one song
The fact he said kiss in his top 5 means so much more then it coming from any another rapper
Lets break it down.
Definition of lyricism
1) the quality or state of being lyric : songfulness
2) (a) : an intense personal quality expressive of feeling or emotion in an art (such as poetry or music)
(b) : exuberance - the sort of author who inspires lyricism or invective, not judicious interpretation
Allow me to simplify
"AN INTENSE PERSONAL QUALITY EXPRESSIVE OF FEELING OR EMOTION IN AN ART (SUCH AS POETRY OR MUSIC)"
Based on this definition, 2pac is the embodiment of lyricism
Rap = Flow, Creativity, Voice, Content, Delivery/Energy, Credibility
My personal preference in order of importance;
1. Content (Message)
2. Voice
3. Delivery/Energy/Passion
4. Credibility (Do they live the life they rap about?)
5 Flow
6. Creativity./Word play
Top artists for each category;
1. Content = Immortal Tech, Dead Prez, 2pac
2. Voice = 2pac, DMX, Method Man, Nate Dogg, Snoop, Ice Cube, Ja Rule, Kasinova
3. Delivery/Energy/Passion = 2pac, DMX, Mystical
4. Credibility = 2pac, DMX, 50 Cent, Eazy E
5. Flow = Biggie, Nas, KRS, Rakim, Raekwon, Big Pun, Big L, Eminem, Big Daddy Kane, Snoop Dogg, Warren G, Kurupt, 2pac
6. Creativity/Word Play = Same as Above
2pac does not necessarily have the best Content, Voice, Delivery/Energy, Flow, Creativity but overall he has the most consistent qualities. His content may not be on Immortal Tech level but its good enough, plus he has a better voice, delivery/Energy, flow.
2pac in my opinion has the best voice followed by DMX
2pac does not necessarily have the passion & energy as Mystical or DMX but it is better than Eminem, Nas, Jay z, Rakim etc
2pac may not have been shot 9 times & made hundreds of thousand of dollars selling drugs like 50 cent but there are not many rappers who have been through what he has been through. He definitely lives the life he raps about. If I cant believe what the rapper is saying then I cant listen to them.
2pac does not consistently flow like Eminem, Biggie, Nas etc but he does have a handful of songs which are right up there. But he has better content/message, voice delivery/passion.
2pac is not necessarily creative, in fact he isnt. He gets straight to the point. He doesnt want people analyzing his words, he wants people to hear his message. With that said, Me & My Girlfriend is on another level. He tells not 1 but 2 stories (girlfriend & gun) and has great flow. Cant get any more creative than Me and My Girlfriend.
Overall as a complete package = 2pac
Your favorite rapper depends what qualities are important to you. Those that prefer flow & creativity prefer Biggie, Em, Nas, Jay z etc. For me I prefer content, voice & delivery & Credibility, therefore 2pac is the best overall rapper. And based off of the definition of "lyricism"...2pac is the king of lyricism.
I completely agree.
THIS👆
For those trying to say 2Pac isn’t lyrical first & foremost know the definition of what lyrical actually means... 2Pac is a lyricist
Tupac is the epitomy of lyricism ..big epitomises flow
Eminem has zero flow his raps are forced and he raps fast forced and concocted its like a hip hop AI
Manica Bawse “epitomy” isn’t a word epitome is but I agree with what you’re saying except the Eminem part 🤦🏽♂️
@@Ameil thank you for correcting me I have an English proficiency test coming up so I need all the help I can get...
Back to hip hop I don't think Eminem has much substance he lacks flow his rhymes are not smooth man...its like he just throws a dictionary at fans and calls it a day..he is to technical with it its not as organic as say my nigga Scarface even jigga
@@manicabawse2867 disc 1or cassette 1 of Pac"All Eyes on Me* double album was fav in 1997 yet Pac was for charisma vocal tone and swag than lyricism
@@manicabawse2867 people always praise Eminem about the technical writing and rapping skills but back when I was a hip-hop oriented nightclub DJ the hip-hop crown didn't request Eminem songs and instead requested Jay Z, Biggie DMX. 50 Cent, I always took it as Eminem kinda making clowning around songs or just stuff that that the HipHop crowd didn't really relate to.
Suburban white teens loved Eminem but that's not who was the Hip-hop nightclub crowd or the radio mixshow listeners.
Eminem is kinda like the virtuoso guitarists that's shreds and shows off abilities when the people that are not musicians just want a relatable song instead.
Eminem is definitely one of the greats of all time but why the fuck does vlad have to somehow bring him up in every conversation?
cuz he is GOAT
itsnucktime I agree! He's good but definitely not the best!
The Works more like pig minds shit alike. He mentioned a lot of other rappers before coming to Em but you racists can't look past his skin. A white guy who likes Em is dickriding him as if Em got no skills. Em haters are twice as obnxious as his toxic stans. I'm not a Stan but i do know for a fact that Em would rap circles around your favourite rapper and your fav rapper would agree so you can fuck outta here.
Yusuf Ayaz Facts!
I think it is about trying to 'test' them. Do they think Em's fluffed up and overhyped? Do they think he's great even though they can't feel what he sings about? Do they look past the lyrics? Etc. It's about starting conversations. Grandmaster Caz came up with a bunch of jews, Puerto Ricans, rastamen, Vikings, and bboys. He's not going to fall into the racist traps that some artists do *cough cough Lord Jamar cough cough* but he's not from Detroit, he's from a different generation, etc. There's shades of grey that can come out of the questions.
Nas and Jadakiss 👊🏽
Instead of saying jay z he should have said "Big L" I mean He did create that style first so its only fair to say.
@@peterrosploch4072 Jayz took it to the next level big L I love he was better than Jayz but he couldn't sell it.
TECH N9NE.
There's not a lot of people who make you feel the music like Pac did and he was a thinker. His beat selection is freaking crazy. Some of those beats were before their time. Pac is one of the greatest for his impact. Music ain't just bout lyrics. If you saying dope shit and yo beat flat the track is trash. Pac still in my Top 10
I swear to God every time I listen to prime rakim or nas I just get depressed at how rubbish today's rap is. UK scene lyrically is popping 👌
UK MORE LIKE *U* *GAY* GET IT? GET IT? U. GAY? U. K? U. GAE? HAHAHAHA 😂😂😂😂💯👌😈
Nigga UK stinks like garbage
I'm from the UK and the lyricism here is rubbish. Stormzy and Dave are considered lyricists and intelligent, but compare that to a Nas or someone like that, they just don't match up. It's easy to put people on a pedestal who are considerably better than those around them when those around them are trash! And UK drill is terrible too. No musicality or thought process, just 'I'm harder than you'
Yea some of my favorite lyricists are from that area, for example Akala, Lowkey and Rhyme Asylum are fucking fantastic and are killing it when it comes to lyrics. Check em out if you haven’t heard of them
King los, horseshoe gang are dope lyricists
The elder! To just be mentioned by this man is an achievement in its self.
What about Big L? Had Big L lived beyond 1999 this conversation would be drastically different. I still haven't heard a song like Ebonics. Nas said in an interview that Big L was no one to play with and that he was the only rapper he lyrically feared.
Lupe music goes over so many people's heads.
He's overrated
Lupe is wakk he doesn't even skateboard he lost me when I found that out
YoxxSHIxx Lupe is good, he's overrated in my opinion. And I can't stand the beats he raps over. They sound like some Britney Spears shit.
Lupe definitely is a crazy lyricist. He belongs high on the list of new cats that are lyrical
Meh
Massive respect for Grandmaster Caz! I wanna believe what he is sayin about Em but I haven't heard anything from Em that is truly prolific! Em can tear it up don't get me wrong but Im still waiting for Em to do Hip Hop! And I don't wanna hear about his family over and over and over and over and over....
Man is a legend but he don't know nothing about hip hop past his time.
Plus i don't think he looks at hip hop as music. Just as lyrics.
Respect to the OG's who are tone def and stuck in a time warp.
I disagree with that , as you get older your taste in music will always be more towards your era. Doesn’t mean you don’t appreciate it but it’s not your era so if you make it another 20 to 30 years you’ll understand what he’s saying. You won’t be listening to your kids or grandkids music like you would your own...
Anyone else noticed how 9 of the 10 rappers he said are from New York?
+Yasin BMT somebody finally mentioned my nigga AZ
@Keyser Soeze exactly. Nyc has the best lyricists. Thats not even up for debate. No bias, just is what it is.
I’m sure why he said so many New York artist is because he is from New York so you’re probably going to hear mostly East Coast artists and he also said he doesn’t really listen to a lot of music now but given that he is one of the originators of rap his views like your own as you get older will differ from the younger crowd and once you have kids & grandkids you won’t really be checking for there music either
Big Pun
Lloyd Banks
Big L
Eminem
Biggie
royce da 5'9 the best lyricst in the game today bruh
im glad im not the only one lol
Hes definitely top ten. He held his own on Hell the Sequal.
Walter White royce aint really new tho rock city is 13 years old but he does stand shoulders above the rest
TheWillog i think he meant active, not new
You understand me bro, Royce is the best these days. Listen to the PRhyme album that shit is fire. I went to their tour holy fuck it was lit. Preemo was insane.
To me Noveliss of Clear Soul Forces (and L.A.Z. E-Fav and Illajide as well actually), Underachievers, Denzel Curry, Kendrick Lamar, Mick Jenkins and Add-2 stand out as the best lyricists from this era that come to mind whilst typing. Much respect to Caz ofcourse, who is an essential legend to the culture
Absoul all day
no credit for Tupac, so many tears, black Jesus, all out, no more pain, me against the world, if I die 2nite
Much credit was given as Tupac was in his TOP 5 Greatest Hip Hopper of ALL Times.
He love whitey that is why. I dont support guys like him. Oldschool or not. Respect black art music and culture 1st. From the colonizers
FOREIGN ZOE, shut up you racist bastard.
Those songs have very basic writing skills and lyrical techniques..
Even through death 2pac's music will live forever
Vlad "but you didn't mention...."
Does he understand that you can respect an mc and not put them in your top 5 😂
1.Nas
2.Kool G Rap
3.Big Pun
4.Rakim
5.Inspectah Deck
deck is savage
Michael Mendoza dope list!
CHARLESHARDIN96 real heads know the deal
***** its MY top 5 pal not yours
Michael Mendoza deck had one classic verse lmao
Ten dopest emcees... Rakim,Guru, Black Thought, Kool G Rap, Kane, AZ, LL,Nas, Jada, Eminem. In no particular order. Honorable mention, Slick Rick, Big Pun, KRS, Treach
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