the worst part with using the bible as a source is that even if God truly exists and had the bible written, that original text has been lost to the ages and the bible has gone through so much translation and rewriting that taking the bible as evidence makes no sense
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew initially and then when Alexander the Great along with the Macedonians took over Israel, the New Testament was written in Greek. The Old Testament was translated into Greek. Then it gets translated into Arabic and Coptic languages. Later on the Bible was translated into Latin, Old Church Slavonic, German among others
“Isn’t it interesting that an atheist could clearly see that the idea of God using a pitiless process of death, bloodshed and disease to create the world and then pronounce it ‘very good’ made no sense at all?” Um… YUP.
Well I painted some miniatures with a thick, detail-erasing coat of paint, gave them giant bug-eyes and had no concept of how colours work together and still called the result "very good".
I mean, I thought they liked that shit. They sure do talk about their god like an abusive father who just *has* to punish mortals for every misstep they make and seem to think that is a good thing, so...
Doesn't it just scream confidence in your beliefs when you have comments turned off on EVERY SINGLE VIDEO? As if we didn't know they don't care about peer reviewing anything.
While I do agree with you in general, I also know that it’s a tool to keep people doubting science as a whole, and it’s used as a divider which fuels extreme ignorance and ultimately sustained incredulity. Got to keep the donation plate full
And more specifically a bronze age book of fairy tales written by nomadic herders who knew nothing of physics, chemistry, biology, geology, plate tectonics, medicine, germ theory, electricity, running water and many more that teaches you should MURDER non-virgin brides, LGBTQ, for eating shellfish, for wearing mixed fabrics and for picking up sticks on the "sabbath" among many other HORRIBLE things.
+Carlos Pomares, writes _"Creationists don't worship a God. They worship a book about a God."_ And then strangely don't read the book, or I should say don't read it critically. They mostly just listen to what their leaders tell them the book says and read selected tiny chunks of it.
That's... actually a brilliant comparison; to be honest, whenever I see Calvin, I can't help fixating on his poorly-fitting suits... 🤨 Also, points for knowing Shattered Glass... 😉
Isn't the whole 'god of death and cruelty' kinda the point though? Evangelicals believe in making other people suffer and inflicting as much cruelty on the world as possible as long as it either brings people to them or wipes out all opposition. Their whole religion is 'worship of god('s followers's leaders) is so important that nothing is unethical as long as it increases it.
They know how that comes across to people these days though, so they don't go with that anymore. In the old days, people used to wear a "hair-shirt" which is exactly what it sounds like, an undershirt made of hair, that would be both itchy, unclean, and often infested with lice and ticks and fleas, because they thought the more you suffered on Earth, the more likely you'd get into Heaven.
@ironfang bigheart Because social constructs, whatever you mean by that, _do_ have value, the value _we_ as a society give it. Right or wrong, if something matters to even one person, it has value _to_ that person, and if a society one is part of values some form of behavior or object or what else, it is much more rational to recognize and understand that then dismiss it, even if it is something one were to oppose or disagree with. Ignoring the value that is given to something by others if you don't share it is essentially ignoring an important aspect of dealing with other people in any way, shape, or form in the first place. We can differ wildly on pretty much anything and everything, but that doesn't mean those differences don't exist or don't matter.
@@balanc-joy9187 Tell that to Westerners or Europeans, they think any social construct that does not fit their worldview is instantly "wrong" and "oppressive". Only Japan, Singapore, or other intellegent countries can understand such a concept, introduce it to a country or continent filled with ignorance and you have the standard Western ignoramus.
People like this clearly have a superiority complex. They take the Bible and use it as justification for their superiority complex. They pick and chose the parts that makes them seem better than everyone else and then try and make others be as superior as they think they are.
1:30 I, as a Catholic, was taught that the Bible (especially Old Testament) was literally mythology, and meant to teach stories rather than actual facts. It’s so obvious yet how do these people exist?!
@@davidonate1581 Well the history of the bible involves the old testament being much older than the new one, and with Josephus’ accounting of the time the New testament is a narrative based on real events. I mean the bible is meant to teach, not describe. Again, thought that was obvious to Christians but guess not!
By telling that nonsense they bring people to refuse science and any other opinion, distrust anybody and simply shut down when confronted with obvious truths/facts. Once that is achieved, they have total control over them, can tell them ANYthing - and milk them like a cow. Even better: You can project this "there is only one source of unquestionable truth and it is 100% reliable" on some person and give it God-like qualities - say, a playboy from New York that has never seen a church from the inside before he had his Second Coming down to earth on an escalator, a gloriole of gold-dyed hair hovering over his head.
Btw, german catholic theologians can happily accept Big Bang, evolution and that the Bible consists to large parts of myths taken over from previous and other cultures - and get not excommunicated and thrown out of church service. He told and interesting theory about the Flood myth being possibly basing on a real event I did not know about, about 6000 BC the Bosporus Strait collapsed (due to rising sea levels) and flooded the plane that is now the Black Sea. They found remnants of stilt houses in 90 meters depth, that had been located at the shore of a lake that was in that plane. A stilt house is a wooden platform on stilts, with a house with one opening on top, housing one family, its livestock and their reserves. Would it be impossible that, when the sea level rose more and more, one such platform tore free from its stilts and floated on the new sea, until the currents made it drift ashore somewhere? And that some wild animals had also fled up on this platform when fleeing from the rising water? It would also explain the "waters from below", the sea level rose about 15 cm/day.
@@empressoftheknownuniverse Pretty sure Clive was referring to 2 different plaids plus a striped tie. I have no fashion sense, and still know the fashionista's would cringe.
For the example of man and woman being created at the same time and way then later Eve being made of Adams rib. One explanation is Lilith being the first woman. More of a Hebrew folk lore, but a fun study if so inclined =)
Also it's pretty clear in Genesis that Adam and Eve are not the only people in the world. Cain says, "I will be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me." Whoever would he be talking about in a world with only Adam, Eve, and their children? And Cain settled in the land of Nod, but what is Nod in a world without people? Genesis never claims that Adam and Eve were the only people. Maybe when God created people in Genesis 1: 28, God was actually creating an entire population of people, and Adam just happened to be the one man that God chose to put in the garden, while all the rest lived elsewhere, such as in Nod.
@@guitargodthor2 that's one of the tales. My favorite is Lilith wouldn't submit to Adam so she left the garden; becoming the first demon as she rebelled against God by leaving the garden. Either sexually wanted to be dominate or top or within the relationship itself. Again I'm partial to refusal to sexual submission as Lilith in revelations is the beginning of the succubus mythology. As she's depicted subduing men or stealing their sperm as they slept. Although there's no mention of Lilith in the genesis account so folk lore is really all we have to go by. As modern christianity often dosen't depict Lilith as the first being
Funny that they say the Bible is perfect and taken literally while selectively using some passages and ignoring others. Like god saying he created evil
It has always confused me as to why people will take the Bible literally but then pick and chose whatever parts fit their narrative and beliefs and claim the rest is false.
And a tie from the 1960's and a vest from the 1920's and a jacket from the 1990's and a shirt from the... eh... alternate timeline where his nightmarish god actually exists maybe.
Every single time theists try to reference or use science for an argument they display there total and complete lack of any scientific understanding or knowledge.
I think they do this to try to tie it all together into one thing that they declare secular and bad, to contrast with the one thing they have, the Bible, which is declared good, and then they can keep up the dichotomy and talk shit about moderate Christians who accept science as being on the atheist side.
@@ross-carlson Nah, Fam. I know plenty of good scientists who are religious - Buddhists, Hindus, Jains, Jews, Muslims, and Christians. They just aren't brain-dead fundies and are able to reconcile or compartmentalize. Have a friend who is in the top three or four in the world in his field and a former bishop. His science is among the best there is in his discipline, and he takes the view that in matters of the physical world go with Science. In matters of values and similar go with his spiritual beliefs. It's worked amazingly well for him. He's also done some brilliant work in mathematical models in evolutionary biology.
@@toddellner5283 Don't forget plenty of great scientists, engineers who are Communist, Socialist. And NOT all useful important work needs to be fundamental basic science, either. I give credit to all THESE unnamed scientists, engineers, and workers, too.
And literally everyone 4400 years ago, except for Noah and his immediate family. And the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. And everyone who God commanded genocide against.
You can go one step further, if he's all-knowing then he put the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden already knowing it would be eaten from, already knowing he would have to create sin because of it, already knowing he would cause all this death and disease because of it. We're the victims here. How do we sue God for Gross Negligence?
@@silentcaay And even further if this "god" is all powerful why isn't it a fucking monster? I mean if I saw a child STARVING TO DEATH and I had food yet I didn't give it to them wouldn't I be a monster? (hint: YES) Yet this all powerful "god" does the exact same thing every second of every day and somehow it's loving? What a fucking joke - cognitive dissonance just doesn't matter to so many as they would NEVER use this "logic" anywhere else.
@@silentcaay At that point in the creation/eden story,the ignorant,superstitious,primitive,and near barbarrion writers of Genesis did not even know what omniscience was,let alone knowing how to develop the God character into a god worth calling "God"and creator.
@@theysay5270 The people who wrote the book were reasonable sophisticated for the kind of and amount of knowledge available to them. And yes, the original creation and Eden stories coming from Sumer and Mesopotamia, the earliest civilizations by the way, not "barbarians" (even by Greek standards), did not have omniscience gods, nor did the Canaanites that eventually became the Hebrews
@@agimasoschandir A large part of Christianity,if not the largest,fundagelicalism,believe ALL of the Bible is inspired and is revelation from God himself. So,the "amount of knowledge available to them," was the amount that "God" chose to make available and understandable to them.But even if you don't believe the Bible was revelation from God,it's hard not to see that the Hebrew people it was written to and for, in the Tenok,were as described in my former post, crude,brutal,and superstitious Iron/Bronze age people-and "near" barbarrion,especially in the way they conducted their wars,punishments,and treatment of women,children,prisoners,and in their main way of brutal capital punishment-stoning(which came first before burning people to death.)Notice I said "near"barbarrion,as I did in my previous post.Maybe they weren't true barbarrions,but they were pretty darn close.And the writers of the old testament? They had to have a higher degree of education than their audience,but it still takes a brutal,superstitious,and tribal mentality to write such "crude carpentry." The new testament,however,was mostly written in a higher form of Greek,not familiar to the common folk of the day.The common folk were mostly illiterate at that time,which is why many scholars think that the Gospels were not written by the disciples,who were probably illiterate also,considering their backgrounds.Were the Gospel writers barbarrions? No,far from it.But this still doesn't remove the obvious-that the Bible is not a well written book,and is probably the most confusing book ever written.
I mostly agree with the video. His idea that people only hold onto religion because it was taught to them as children is false. I have been Christian all my life but the things I have seen leave me with absolutely no doubt that God exists. I don't go around spouting nonsense about science, I have a degree in Geology, I love learning about physics and chemistry. My father, a great example to me had a master's in physics and worked for Jet Propulsion Laboratory. He was deeply Christian until he died. I have never seen or understood why people believe there's a conflict between science and religion and do not understand why atheists continuously and falsely believe that religious people are simply deluding themselves with desperately rationalized beliefs that should be in conflict with one another. Rather ask yourself, why would a person who understands and believes in science still maintain their religious beliefs? What do they know that you don't?
@@kevinslater4126 i do not think that the notion of being children be ause they were tought young is false. The perfect example is if you take countries where hinduism or islam is dominant, people there are most likely gonna be hiduists or islamists or whatever.
You can drop Christians from that statement. We have a hard time taking Americans seriously full stop. They elected an angry orange to be their leader.
Nah, let's not pretend we are any better. Look at Poland, if we're talking religious fanatics. Or England, if we're talking dishonest angry racists as heads of state. Fuck, if we're talking about racism there's this little issue of the EU essentially funding concentration camps for immigrants in Lybia. We'd rather have men, women and children be enslaved, raped and tortured by traffickers and crooked cops in a wartorn country rather than have the dirty foreign poors on our shores.
@@joshuaijaola2145 Well, yes, unless you are gay, trans, believe in science or good government, oh and public education (public anything, really). But yeah, economically and religiously there is little light.
How does someone derail the plans of an all knowing and all powerful being? It should be literally impossible to defy a being that knows everything you'll ever do before you ever existed and has the power to unmake you at any moment.
If God created everything (and is omni-everything), then he is responsible for everything. Yes, _everything_ . No fair trying to foist responsibility for all the bad shit onto anyone or anything else.
It should be plain to see for anyone who thinks about this for half a minute that, if humans do something bad, an all-powerful and all-knowing God would have no reason to blame us, since he made us the way we are - that means with the potential to do bad. Anyone who doesn't see this is either clinically stupid or just doesn't want to see it. And since most Christians do not suffer from some heritable mental deficiency, it means they just don't want to follow the evidence. Such people are problematic, since you cannot convince them through reason. You either have to make them politically irrelevant, so that they can't do harm, or pressure them into dropping their belief or give them a better narrative that makes them feel good but is also true.
The process of evolution is "cruel" because reality itself is cruel in its indifference. Suffering is a necessity because reality does not care, and is incapable of caring, as it is not alive, not conscious. It does not think. It does not feel. It just _is._
@@Llortnerof No, they don't. A "fate" can be just what happens to have happened, or what happens to be happening. Geeze, why are you taking everything so literally?
The whole 'It's not God's fault, we broke his perfect world' argument has never made sense. By the story, he had to know we'd break it, yet chose to make it and us that way. Also, he made the world in such a way that our 'breaking' it would have those consequences. In short, it's still God's fault, no matter how you look at it.
+jursamaj, writes _"The whole 'It's not God's fault, we broke his perfect world' argument has never made sense."_ It's religion, if you look closely enough none of it makes sense. If god made the world "perfect", mankind wouldn't have been able to damage it. Plus, isn't this all supposed to be part of "god's perfect plan"? So the world is exactly like god wanted it to be. What an ass.
@@fred_derf Well, let's be honest here. God let us have free will, according to the bible. That free will is what ended up making Eve go against God, and thus history went on its merry way. It's not as farfetched as you all seem to make it, which proves you either didnt look into it, or didnt care about it. Something that bothers me, though, is that Christianity is always bashed and yet you barely see other religions bashed when they believe in some god/s as well.
@@dyinginside-f7v, writes _"God let us have free will, according to the bible."_ The bible also says god is omniscient, those two things are mutually exclusive -- so pick one (and note: the bible is wrong about the other). _"That free will is what ended up making Eve go against God, and thus history went on its merry way."_ But god is (according to the bible) omnipotent and has a perfect plan, so Eve eating the fruit was part of god's perfect plan. Or are you claiming that Eve had the power to go against god's perfect plan? _"It's not as farfetched as you all seem to make it, which proves you either didnt look into it, or didnt care about it."_ It's a complete fiction, and not even that good a fiction. _"Something that bothers me, though, is that Christianity is always bashed and yet you barely see other religions bashed when they believe in some god/s as well."_ I live in a majority christian country, I don't experience Buddhists trying to force their religion onto everyone by force of law or trying to get science taken out of schools and replaced with "god-magic" or spreading hatred against LGBTQ people (for example). I'm also typically responding to the claims made by others and they are typically claims made by christians. But, to be clear, I lump all religions into the same "it's all a big-bag of bullsh**", not just christianity.
The bible is not even one book. It is a collection of books written by completely different people at different times. Much of it was orally transmitted before it even made it to paper. And yes, most of it was meant to be taken metaphorically. Parables were one of the most important ways of teaching people back then. The translation from its original to a completely different language changed the meaning of the verses beyond its original purpose. It's sad that there are people who take it so literally and this is how we get fanaticism. Love your channel for countering a lot of these claims, especially the flat earth claims.
1:56 same, and i grew up in a roman catholic environment. I thought this type of crazy was an exaggeration only found in American satire shows like South Park or the Simpsons. With my experience with religious people i couldn't imagine people this crazy in reality.
I agree. Not about the video games so much, but the how and why is less important to me than the effects and now. I'm here, i stick to the ground, I live my life.
05:00 -Errrrm... Wasn't there somewhere along the line, a extremely large pleasure yacht, a few 'pets' and a bit of a 'rain event' in that book??? 🤔🤔🤔😏😝
If Adam and Eve where first, and their sons Kane and Able next. Why would Kane need to be marked when banished from Eden? There would be no other person to harm Kane, other than Adam and Eve.
@@europademon Exactly. The bible makes no sense at all, even if you try to view it as a work of fiction. Imagine e.g. Harry Potter was as ridden with contradictions as the bible is.
The funny part of Genesis is that it says that man was created on day 6 in chapter 1, then claims that man didn’t exist before being created on day 7 exactly 1 chapter later.
8:38 "A quick glance at Genesis shows that the 2 stories don't fit at all" Funny thing to say when even the two first chapters of Genesis are contradicting each other.
"Evolution says the sun came before the earth, and creation says the earth was created before the sun!" Yes, dear. That's one of the many reasons we know that the stories in the bible are wrong.
@@117gerardle Oh, I know. But when one of these people says "evolution" you can just replace that with "all fields of science that I don't understand and wouldn't accept even if I did." It's pretty convenient, when you think about it.
well selection doesn't only work by 'killing' the weak, rather it promotes positive traits by rate of succes (which can be through life length, reproduction rate ,energy efficiency or predation rate) so i would argue selection isn't cruel at all.
Selection is just an inevitable fact of population dynamics - creatures that stay around for longer and reproduce more often crowd out those who don't over time.
i'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure Hades (or Pluto, i suppose.) was a rather chill dude who had massive cults way back in the day. He's not a bad guy, he just has a job to do so he does it.
The flood was actually the ice age maybe. Also the story of Caine and Able seems like a metaphor for the neolithic revolution, which arguably made life worse for the average person until the modern era.
one question i like to ask to any question who claim that the bible is 100% truth: why does genesis contain 2 alternative versions of how the world was created?
The Bible very clearly says that God " himself " states that he is the creator of evil. And its not an interpretation of what is said. It says it straight out, I AM THE CREATOR OF DARK AND LIGHT, GOOD AND EVIL, I AM THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS, FOR I AM GOD.
@@siramielthefirst7536 Isaiah 45:7. Depending on which translation you find, it could use the word disaster, calamity, bad times, or distress instead of evil. But I do know that one of the translations uses the word evil.
I take aliens and bigfoot seriously, as do my family & friends, because of massive evidence for them. I have zero obligation to justify this position to ANYONE who believes in fantasy garbage like gods or takes childish crap like religion seriously, or who denies proved facts and theories like Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW), vaccines preventing deaths, the mass murdering meat industry adding unnecessary carbon footprint, and evolution.
I actually kinda agree with Calvin here in some capacity, atleast if you believe that God is perfect and all knowing, why would the method of creation be so brute force
@QED What possible use could there be to a brute force method if you are a perfect all powerful being? It feels pretty inherently illogical. And to be clear the morality or brutality of using evolution isn't my point here, just that using a stochastic trial and error method when you are perfect and have all the answers makes no sense. To be honest, when it comes to motivation I don't understand a motivation to create at all for a perfect timeless spaceless all powerful being in the first place. Creation is the product of need or desire, why would a bring like that have any needs or desires. This doesn't come from some ignorance like with the dog, it comes from the inherent insistency in the idea itself. If a dog thought the human was perfect and all powerful the motivation would not only be a mystery, but the fact that a motive exists in the first place would be incoherent.
@QED How could a human possibly know if such a being with so much more power is "good" or "honest" or "perfect" or the only being of its kind or a singular being or whatever quality people are claiming in the first place. Especially if things it does are incomprehensible. Plus since the meanings of the words used to describe those actions become incoherent to any reasonable human system, using our language and logic at all to describe such a being feels futile anyway. But if those claims actually relates to the meaning the of words they say, they make no sense. If modern Christianity was entirely esoteric, maybe you'd have a point. But if you believe that the world and God operate under some conceivable logic that anyone has access to, their claims must operate under that logic.
@QED It depends on the claims someone makes, but in general I find the idea of a stochastic method for a being that already knows everything the solution at the *very* least highly suspect. Esotericism like this is probably the best response, but to me that argument becomes destructive to other beliefs, they'd probably like to maintain. Like a God with good intentions, or having one true God, or things like that.
@@Hailfire08 No, yeah. His overall position is pretty insane: God in the Bible makes mistakes and has regrets, which isn't consistent with a perfect God either. It's not like the literal Bible is any more consistent with modern Christianity theology, I was just surprised that he made, what I consider, a pretty cogent point.
"Do you believe that when someone sins, someone innocent has to pay for their sins?" Literally yes they do. That's basically what the adam and eve story is.
Well, God did supposedly give Jobe all kinds of ailments, just to prove a point about Jobe's loyalty. And told Abraham to take his son up to a mountain and kill him with a knife, just to say "psyche!" to prove the same thing.
Yeah. When I brought that up to my high school principal, who was religious and still is to this day, he just said it was a way for God to "make Abraham see how much he loved his son". He seemed very confused by the expression saying that brought on my face...
@@johnbiggscr I know, it was worse when _he_ brought up to try to _defend_ God, the example of God "hardening Pharoh's heart" in Exodus. I _still_ get chills from how casually he brought that up.
The part at the start of "people that dont flat out not believe in science try to integrate it into their religion" really works for me cause Im pagan and my ENTIRE belief system is that science is how things work, but that the natural forces of the universe are HOW those things happen the way they do. Take for example waves and tides, we know that the moon makes the tides cause of gravity and shiz, but why does it affect the tides in that way? answer, because the natural forces made it so. The order of the universe is to create forces that will keep things running smoothly. There arent any gods or deities or even figureheads of my belief, just that the natural forces of the universe are what make things run the way they do. Idk just thought it was interesting since im an example of a ""religion"" that actually does coexist with science
@@zombieguy4444 Worship of nature, akin to a deity, though he can probably answer better. Also, he might have some stuff like a naturalistic afterlife, or reincarnation in his beliefs that aren't relevant to his point.
@@zombieguy4444 pa·gan /ˈpāɡən/ noun a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions. Being pagan doesnt mean being a witch or believing in cystals, just means being religious without being a part of the major world religions ie christianity, hinduism, buddhism, catholicism, judaism and so on
It's a word game with these jackwagons. when he (specifically him and the other apologists in his operation) use the word 'evil' they mean 'anything that prevents you from entering heaven'. So, eating that apple was 'evil'. Not accepting jesus into your heart is 'evil'. Thinking for yourself is 'evil'. Questioning the bible is 'evil'. Etc. And if they are going to claim the bible is inerrant, they have to live/die by that claim when it comes to the veracity of the book.
My favorite argument to Christians is "if God was real, why would he create life (a baby) then give them SIDS? And, if it wasn't God, why did he let it happen to someone he just created?" gets em every time.
Them: "Evolution is so cruel, do you really think God would set up that kind of system?" Me: *Side eyes predation and parasitism* "I mean, if he exists he DID do that. Even if evolution isn't real. Nature red in tooth and claw ain't a phrase describing an alternate reality"
Hey man, i was raised Pentecostal. Ppl do take the bible literally and much more, somehow the peace and love of the new testament representing the new covenant of salvation absolves one of the old laws...yet Leviticus was immune to the reformation for no reason ever given. You're far more generous than i. I do not blieve jesus was a real person, but an amalgam of Mesopotamian roman, greek, and egyptian mythologies that were familiar to the people of that time in cultural centers, used to make the rising cult more palatable to new commers.
Calling Adam and Eve’s eating of the apple a ‘rebellion’ when they have no way of knowing what right and wrong is is kind of like telling someone, ‘hey, can you do something for me?’ And acting like them saying no is a crime
The apologist is literally saying that no matter what evidence there is for scientific theories of various origins, if it conflicts with the collection if oral traditions of myth, pseudohistory, poetry and propaganda that is the Bible, it should be rejected on that grounds alone. Which is in the mission statement of creationist organizations(along with a rejection of methodological naturalism, a core tenet of science) who then say with a straight face that creationism and ID are "science".
God cannot lie?- "But if the prophet is deceived and speaks a message,it was I,the Lord,who deceived that prophet."(Ezekiel 14:9)
god cannot lie? "Oh lord i was deceived and you was who deceived me!"
@@TheIceThorn If a prophet speaks a word(message)and is deceived,it is I,the Lord,who deceived that prophet.(Ezek.14:9)
@@shriggs55 the question is: is Jesus a prophet? :3
@@TheIceThorn The question is-does God deceive prophets? Does "god"send false prophets to test his own people?-(Deut.13:1-4)
@@shriggs55 you just said it does.
"Peace was never an option" in a nutshell
"Some book says a thing"
-Professor Dave.
That's the only argument from creationist.
the worst part with using the bible as a source is that even if God truly exists and had the bible written, that original text has been lost to the ages and the bible has gone through so much translation and rewriting that taking the bible as evidence makes no sense
The Old Testament was written in Hebrew initially and then when Alexander the Great along with the Macedonians took over Israel, the New Testament was written in Greek. The Old Testament was translated into Greek. Then it gets translated into Arabic and Coptic languages. Later on the Bible was translated into Latin, Old Church Slavonic, German among others
That was a great and funny debate.
@@reanimationeas342 This isn t rly the reason why the new testament was written in greek but close enough
@@bamb8s436 Greek was made the language of the land
“Isn’t it interesting that an atheist could clearly see that the idea of God using a pitiless process of death, bloodshed and disease to create the world and then pronounce it ‘very good’ made no sense at all?”
Um… YUP.
Yeah this sounds like a self own.
Well I painted some miniatures with a thick, detail-erasing coat of paint, gave them giant bug-eyes and had no concept of how colours work together and still called the result "very good".
@@GameTimeWhy, writes _"Yeah this sounds like a self own."_
His whole video is a self-own.
@@fred_derf fair
I mean, I thought they liked that shit. They sure do talk about their god like an abusive father who just *has* to punish mortals for every misstep they make and seem to think that is a good thing, so...
Doesn't it just scream confidence in your beliefs when you have comments turned off on EVERY SINGLE VIDEO? As if we didn't know they don't care about peer reviewing anything.
And yet, I've seen so many creationists accuse atheist debunkers of deleting comments, when they're simply triggering UA-cam's spam algorithms.
While I agree with the sentiment its not exactly like UA-cam comment sections can peer review anything anyways
@@MrPancaker57 Of course it can. We are his peers, many of us more educated than he is. And doesn't put forward scientific hypotheses anyway
I mean... Pretty sure saying that god can only exist if evolution doesn't would turn more people into atheists, than into creationists
This separates the wheat from the chaff, it's designed to do so
While I do agree with you in general, I also know that it’s a tool to keep people doubting science as a whole, and it’s used as a divider which fuels extreme ignorance and ultimately sustained incredulity. Got to keep the donation plate full
@@16driver16 And then the Christians pick up the chaff, proclaiming it to be better.
@@whiterabbit75 they only want those who are going to fall for it and it's not our best...
My parents' church insisted that if there's one error in the Bible, the whole thing is wrong.
I said that I find this acceptable.
Creationists don't worship a God. They worship a book about a God.
And more specifically a bronze age book of fairy tales written by nomadic herders who knew nothing of physics, chemistry, biology, geology, plate tectonics, medicine, germ theory, electricity, running water and many more that teaches you should MURDER non-virgin brides, LGBTQ, for eating shellfish, for wearing mixed fabrics and for picking up sticks on the "sabbath" among many other HORRIBLE things.
They worship what their pastor told them that book says about a god. FTFY.
And one book in particular in that book Genesis
+Carlos Pomares, writes _"Creationists don't worship a God. They worship a book about a God."_
And then strangely don't read the book, or I should say don't read it critically. They mostly just listen to what their leaders tell them the book says and read selected tiny chunks of it.
I mean you don’t really know these people you’re just assuming what they do. Some Christians do different things.
If that guy isn't being sarcastic then he's doing a horrible job defending the bible and it's god. 😂
Choice #3 -- He Stoopudd.
This guy is like a shattered glass universe/bizarro world bill nye
Eyn Llib
_insert dramatic music_
That's... actually a brilliant comparison; to be honest, whenever I see Calvin, I can't help fixating on his poorly-fitting suits... 🤨
Also, points for knowing Shattered Glass... 😉
@@zombieguy4444 Isn't that the free-market capitalism woman..? 😜
@@Brickerbrack glad someone understood the reference👍 til all are one my dude
Why do I want to listen to Crass all of a sudden.
Isn't the whole 'god of death and cruelty' kinda the point though? Evangelicals believe in making other people suffer and inflicting as much cruelty on the world as possible as long as it either brings people to them or wipes out all opposition. Their whole religion is 'worship of god('s followers's leaders) is so important that nothing is unethical as long as it increases it.
They know how that comes across to people these days though, so they don't go with that anymore. In the old days, people used to wear a "hair-shirt" which is exactly what it sounds like, an undershirt made of hair, that would be both itchy, unclean, and often infested with lice and ticks and fleas, because they thought the more you suffered on Earth, the more likely you'd get into Heaven.
Yup. See: Mother Teresa.
@ironfang bigheart Because social constructs, whatever you mean by that, _do_ have value, the value _we_ as a society give it. Right or wrong, if something matters to even one person, it has value _to_ that person, and if a society one is part of values some form of behavior or object or what else, it is much more rational to recognize and understand that then dismiss it, even if it is something one were to oppose or disagree with. Ignoring the value that is given to something by others if you don't share it is essentially ignoring an important aspect of dealing with other people in any way, shape, or form in the first place. We can differ wildly on pretty much anything and everything, but that doesn't mean those differences don't exist or don't matter.
@@balanc-joy9187 Tell that to Westerners or Europeans, they think any social construct that does not fit their worldview is instantly "wrong" and "oppressive".
Only Japan, Singapore, or other intellegent countries can understand such a concept, introduce it to a country or continent filled with ignorance and you have the standard Western ignoramus.
People like this clearly have a superiority complex. They take the Bible and use it as justification for their superiority complex. They pick and chose the parts that makes them seem better than everyone else and then try and make others be as superior as they think they are.
Survival of the fittest doesn't mean the most physically strong.
Ofc otherwise humans wouldn t exist
Oh, for goodness sake!
Why are creationists such disingenuous liars! 😠
Money?
Power?!
@@arnonuehm8942 that makes it far worse!
Because they are gifters!
It sure beats working for a living.
Also, thinking.
1:30 I, as a Catholic, was taught that the Bible (especially Old Testament) was literally mythology, and meant to teach stories rather than actual facts. It’s so obvious yet how do these people exist?!
And after that, one asks, why the rest is not mythology? Later, you read the rest of the Bible and * puff * you've become an atheist...
Indoctrination and only being taught certain parts of the Bible
@@davidonate1581 Well the history of the bible involves the old testament being much older than the new one, and with Josephus’ accounting of the time the New testament is a narrative based on real events. I mean the bible is meant to teach, not describe. Again, thought that was obvious to Christians but guess not!
@@zombieguy4444 Yep. That, or being so emotionally broken they dispense with logic and reason.
By telling that nonsense they bring people to refuse science and any other opinion, distrust anybody and simply shut down when confronted with obvious truths/facts. Once that is achieved, they have total control over them, can tell them ANYthing - and milk them like a cow.
Even better:
You can project this "there is only one source of unquestionable truth and it is 100% reliable" on some person and give it God-like qualities - say, a playboy from New York that has never seen a church from the inside before he had his Second Coming down to earth on an escalator, a gloriole of gold-dyed hair hovering over his head.
Btw, german catholic theologians can happily accept Big Bang, evolution and that the Bible consists to large parts of myths taken over from previous and other cultures - and get not excommunicated and thrown out of church service.
He told and interesting theory about the Flood myth being possibly basing on a real event I did not know about, about 6000 BC the Bosporus Strait collapsed (due to rising sea levels) and flooded the plane that is now the Black Sea.
They found remnants of stilt houses in 90 meters depth, that had been located at the shore of a lake that was in that plane.
A stilt house is a wooden platform on stilts, with a house with one opening on top, housing one family, its livestock and their reserves.
Would it be impossible that, when the sea level rose more and more, one such platform tore free from its stilts and floated on the new sea, until the currents made it drift ashore somewhere? And that some wild animals had also fled up on this platform when fleeing from the rising water? It would also explain the "waters from below", the sea level rose about 15 cm/day.
I can't watch this guy speak. The more I watch, the greater the desire to slap him interferes with my ability to listen.
Who is his stylist? That suit is pure nutty professor.
I think he looks rather dapper. He has to dress to impress because his message does not comport with reality.
@@empressoftheknownuniverse Pretty sure Clive was referring to 2 different plaids plus a striped tie. I have no fashion sense, and still know the fashionista's would cringe.
@@jursamaj For someone with no fashion sense you still spotted all the incongruities. Interesting...🤔
@@jursamaj sure, it doesn't match and it clashes badly but I like it.
where's his clown nose?
For the example of man and woman being created at the same time and way then later Eve being made of Adams rib. One explanation is Lilith being the first woman. More of a Hebrew folk lore, but a fun study if so inclined =)
In the lore, Lilith was kicked out of Eden for not listening to Adam. God made Eve out of a piece of Adam so she would be more subservient to him.
@@guitargodthor2 Adam couldn't handle my lady Lilith
Also it's pretty clear in Genesis that Adam and Eve are not the only people in the world. Cain says, "I will be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me." Whoever would he be talking about in a world with only Adam, Eve, and their children? And Cain settled in the land of Nod, but what is Nod in a world without people? Genesis never claims that Adam and Eve were the only people. Maybe when God created people in Genesis 1: 28, God was actually creating an entire population of people, and Adam just happened to be the one man that God chose to put in the garden, while all the rest lived elsewhere, such as in Nod.
@@guitargodthor2 that's one of the tales. My favorite is Lilith wouldn't submit to Adam so she left the garden; becoming the first demon as she rebelled against God by leaving the garden. Either sexually wanted to be dominate or top or within the relationship itself. Again I'm partial to refusal to sexual submission as Lilith in revelations is the beginning of the succubus mythology. As she's depicted subduing men or stealing their sperm as they slept. Although there's no mention of Lilith in the genesis account so folk lore is really all we have to go by. As modern christianity often dosen't depict Lilith as the first being
@@Ansatz66 Species type exemplar. Adam's lucky he didn't have a pin through his (non-existent) belly button mounting him to a specimen board.
*eats popcorn in norse paganism*
the 1 dislike has been found?
@@fandomweebsvsmemes9803 nah, i love his videos
Funny that they say the Bible is perfect and taken literally while selectively using some passages and ignoring others. Like god saying he created evil
It has always confused me as to why people will take the Bible literally but then pick and chose whatever parts fit their narrative and beliefs and claim the rest is false.
like
'GOD DIDNT MAKE EVIL!'
god:
Good and evil, i made.
I've decided to believe Aesop's Fables exactly as written. Word for word. It's VASTLY more believable than the bible.
9:00 ish - by their own reasoning since they showed several things in the bible we know are wrong, they have to discard the whole thing
Name some so I can make up excuses to have the believers some time when in fact I'll be strawmanning the excuses 👀
I like how he uses a example from a debate from the 1970’s to prove his point
And a tie from the 1960's and a vest from the 1920's and a jacket from the 1990's and a shirt from the... eh... alternate timeline where his nightmarish god actually exists maybe.
"Evolution says the sun came before the earth."
No, evolution has nothing to do with the origins of the stars or planets.
Every single time theists try to reference or use science for an argument they display there total and complete lack of any scientific understanding or knowledge.
I think they do this to try to tie it all together into one thing that they declare secular and bad, to contrast with the one thing they have, the Bible, which is declared good, and then they can keep up the dichotomy and talk shit about moderate Christians who accept science as being on the atheist side.
@@ross-carlson Nah, Fam. I know plenty of good scientists who are religious - Buddhists, Hindus, Jains, Jews, Muslims, and Christians. They just aren't brain-dead fundies and are able to reconcile or compartmentalize. Have a friend who is in the top three or four in the world in his field and a former bishop. His science is among the best there is in his discipline, and he takes the view that in matters of the physical world go with Science. In matters of values and similar go with his spiritual beliefs. It's worked amazingly well for him. He's also done some brilliant work in mathematical models in evolutionary biology.
@@toddellner5283 Don't forget plenty of great scientists, engineers who are Communist, Socialist.
And NOT all useful important work needs to be fundamental basic science, either. I give credit to all THESE unnamed scientists, engineers, and workers, too.
@@ross-carlson *their
Lol this guy, another creation video... so what is in store for this comedy session
"Who would wanna worship a god of death?!?"
Dude... the irony is so thick I could cut it with a knife.
What do you look for in a supreme being: indifference or sociopathic tendencies? Decisions decisions.
"Who would worship a God of death?"
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Well spotted and well stated. 😄
And literally everyone 4400 years ago, except for Noah and his immediate family. And the people of Sodom and Gomorrah. And everyone who God commanded genocide against.
Speaking of evil, there's this man's closet.
God appears helpless in the face of rebellion. If he is not helpless, then he is choosing to allow whatever it is he deems bad.
You can go one step further, if he's all-knowing then he put the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden of Eden already knowing it would be eaten from, already knowing he would have to create sin because of it, already knowing he would cause all this death and disease because of it. We're the victims here. How do we sue God for Gross Negligence?
@@silentcaay And even further if this "god" is all powerful why isn't it a fucking monster? I mean if I saw a child STARVING TO DEATH and I had food yet I didn't give it to them wouldn't I be a monster? (hint: YES) Yet this all powerful "god" does the exact same thing every second of every day and somehow it's loving? What a fucking joke - cognitive dissonance just doesn't matter to so many as they would NEVER use this "logic" anywhere else.
@@silentcaay At that point in the creation/eden story,the ignorant,superstitious,primitive,and near barbarrion writers of Genesis did not even know what omniscience was,let alone knowing how to develop the God character into a god worth calling "God"and creator.
@@theysay5270 The people who wrote the book were reasonable sophisticated for the kind of and amount of knowledge available to them. And yes, the original creation and Eden stories coming from Sumer and Mesopotamia, the earliest civilizations by the way, not "barbarians" (even by Greek standards), did not have omniscience gods, nor did the Canaanites that eventually became the Hebrews
@@agimasoschandir A large part of Christianity,if not the largest,fundagelicalism,believe ALL of the Bible is inspired and is revelation from God himself. So,the "amount of knowledge available to them," was the amount that "God" chose to make available and understandable to them.But even if you don't believe the Bible was revelation from God,it's hard not to see that the Hebrew people it was written to and for, in the Tenok,were as described in my former post, crude,brutal,and superstitious Iron/Bronze age people-and "near" barbarrion,especially in the way they conducted their wars,punishments,and treatment of women,children,prisoners,and in their main way of brutal capital punishment-stoning(which came first before burning people to death.)Notice I said "near"barbarrion,as I did in my previous post.Maybe they weren't true barbarrions,but they were pretty darn close.And the writers of the old testament? They had to have a higher degree of education than their audience,but it still takes a brutal,superstitious,and tribal mentality to write such "crude carpentry." The new testament,however,was mostly written in a higher form of Greek,not familiar to the common folk of the day.The common folk were mostly illiterate at that time,which is why many scholars think that the Gospels were not written by the disciples,who were probably illiterate also,considering their backgrounds.Were the Gospel writers barbarrions? No,far from it.But this still doesn't remove the obvious-that the Bible is not a well written book,and is probably the most confusing book ever written.
I'm a christian and even l find people who take the entire bible literaly to be ridiculous . And l do agree with Profesor Stick in this video .
Yeah, still find things to pick out and believe to be true.
I mostly agree with the video. His idea that people only hold onto religion because it was taught to them as children is false. I have been Christian all my life but the things I have seen leave me with absolutely no doubt that God exists. I don't go around spouting nonsense about science, I have a degree in Geology, I love learning about physics and chemistry. My father, a great example to me had a master's in physics and worked for Jet Propulsion Laboratory. He was deeply Christian until he died.
I have never seen or understood why people believe there's a conflict between science and religion and do not understand why atheists continuously and falsely believe that religious people are simply deluding themselves with desperately rationalized beliefs that should be in conflict with one another. Rather ask yourself, why would a person who understands and believes in science still maintain their religious beliefs? What do they know that you don't?
@@kevinslater4126 i do not think that the notion of being children be ause they were tought young is false. The perfect example is if you take countries where hinduism or islam is dominant, people there are most likely gonna be hiduists or islamists or whatever.
This is equivalent to saying that telling someone how a cake is made is not compatible with the idea a baker made it.
He came so close, looked at the logical conclusion, failed to see it, and moved on, AARGH!
European Christians don't take the americans serious at all, guess why.
It's a similar situation why Japanese don't take Neckbeards seriously.
You can drop Christians from that statement. We have a hard time taking Americans seriously full stop. They elected an angry orange to be their leader.
Nah, let's not pretend we are any better. Look at Poland, if we're talking religious fanatics. Or England, if we're talking dishonest angry racists as heads of state.
Fuck, if we're talking about racism there's this little issue of the EU essentially funding concentration camps for immigrants in Lybia. We'd rather have men, women and children be enslaved, raped and tortured by traffickers and crooked cops in a wartorn country rather than have the dirty foreign poors on our shores.
@@whatsupinspace854 our whole country is pretty right leaning, biden isn't that much different from trump fundamentally
@@joshuaijaola2145 Well, yes, unless you are gay, trans, believe in science or good government, oh and public education (public anything, really). But yeah, economically and religiously there is little light.
@ironfang bigheart Can't find any article about that story. Got any?
evolution says ... correct
genesis says ... (completely omitted magic involved)
How does someone derail the plans of an all knowing and all powerful being?
It should be literally impossible to defy a being that knows everything you'll ever do before you ever existed and has the power to unmake you at any moment.
If God created everything (and is omni-everything), then he is responsible for everything.
Yes, _everything_ .
No fair trying to foist responsibility for all the bad shit onto anyone or anything else.
It should be plain to see for anyone who thinks about this for half a minute that, if humans do something bad, an all-powerful and all-knowing God would have no reason to blame us, since he made us the way we are - that means with the potential to do bad. Anyone who doesn't see this is either clinically stupid or just doesn't want to see it.
And since most Christians do not suffer from some heritable mental deficiency, it means they just don't want to follow the evidence. Such people are problematic, since you cannot convince them through reason. You either have to make them politically irrelevant, so that they can't do harm, or pressure them into dropping their belief or give them a better narrative that makes them feel good but is also true.
a perfect world is, by essence, incorruptible. If Human has corrupted it so the world was not perfect. (sorry for my english)
English speakers get it. My French is worse
The process of evolution is "cruel" because reality itself is cruel in its indifference. Suffering is a necessity because reality does not care, and is incapable of caring, as it is not alive, not conscious. It does not think. It does not feel. It just _is._
Well, technically that means it isn't cruel, because there's no intent, and cruelty is _willfully_ causing suffering.
@@Llortnerof
Technically, yes, that's true. There is no _literal_ cruelty. Perhaps the cruelty of realits is more a slightly figurative cruelty.
You can still say that something is cruel, even if it isn't conscious. A cruel fate. A cruel method. A cruel tool.
@@somedudeok1451 All of those presuppose or even require that there is some concious will causing/using them, though.
@@Llortnerof
No, they don't. A "fate" can be just what happens to have happened, or what happens to be happening. Geeze, why are you taking everything so literally?
9:45 it doesn't "beg" the question it raises the question.
The whole 'It's not God's fault, we broke his perfect world' argument has never made sense. By the story, he had to know we'd break it, yet chose to make it and us that way. Also, he made the world in such a way that our 'breaking' it would have those consequences. In short, it's still God's fault, no matter how you look at it.
+jursamaj, writes _"The whole 'It's not God's fault, we broke his perfect world' argument has never made sense."_
It's religion, if you look closely enough none of it makes sense. If god made the world "perfect", mankind wouldn't have been able to damage it. Plus, isn't this all supposed to be part of "god's perfect plan"? So the world is exactly like god wanted it to be. What an ass.
@@fred_derf Yup
@@fred_derf Well, let's be honest here.
God let us have free will, according to the bible. That free will is what ended up making Eve go against God, and thus history went on its merry way. It's not as farfetched as you all seem to make it, which proves you either didnt look into it, or didnt care about it.
Something that bothers me, though, is that Christianity is always bashed and yet you barely see other religions bashed when they believe in some god/s as well.
@@dyinginside-f7v, writes _"God let us have free will, according to the bible."_
The bible also says god is omniscient, those two things are mutually exclusive -- so pick one (and note: the bible is wrong about the other).
_"That free will is what ended up making Eve go against God, and thus history went on its merry way."_
But god is (according to the bible) omnipotent and has a perfect plan, so Eve eating the fruit was part of god's perfect plan. Or are you claiming that Eve had the power to go against god's perfect plan?
_"It's not as farfetched as you all seem to make it, which proves you either didnt look into it, or didnt care about it."_
It's a complete fiction, and not even that good a fiction.
_"Something that bothers me, though, is that Christianity is always bashed and yet you barely see other religions bashed when they believe in some god/s as well."_
I live in a majority christian country, I don't experience Buddhists trying to force their religion onto everyone by force of law or trying to get science taken out of schools and replaced with "god-magic" or spreading hatred against LGBTQ people (for example).
I'm also typically responding to the claims made by others and they are typically claims made by christians. But, to be clear, I lump all religions into the same "it's all a big-bag of bullsh**", not just christianity.
@@dyinginside-f7v No. Eve was made by god and god is omniscient so he knew Eve would do that. but it's all a bunch of bullshit anyways
The story of Job is just one of many proofs that the sky daddy is one cruel lil rascal
I always see this guy and think "thanks, discount WLC"
Creationists cosplaying as scientists? You love to see it.
My priest always said, if we want to know how the universe, the earth and life came into existence, we should ask our science teacher.
Shockingly, AIG Canada has the comments turned off on their video.
The bible is not even one book. It is a collection of books written by completely different people at different times. Much of it was orally transmitted before it even made it to paper. And yes, most of it was meant to be taken metaphorically. Parables were one of the most important ways of teaching people back then. The translation from its original to a completely different language changed the meaning of the verses beyond its original purpose. It's sad that there are people who take it so literally and this is how we get fanaticism. Love your channel for countering a lot of these claims, especially the flat earth claims.
It’s both saddening and hilarious that anyone would listen to this guy and shake their head in approval.
''We want to keep the content fresh round here...''*LMFAO!!!*
To live is to suffer. Sometimes it do be like dat.
1:56 same, and i grew up in a roman catholic environment.
I thought this type of crazy was an exaggeration only found in American satire shows like South Park or the Simpsons.
With my experience with religious people i couldn't imagine people this crazy in reality.
I always liked the idea that if there is a God, he just kinda made the Big Bang, then watched as everything started to flourish like "Oh hey, neat."
As a Canadian
I don't really care how life came into existence, I just want to play video games
I agree. Not about the video games so much, but the how and why is less important to me than the effects and now. I'm here, i stick to the ground, I live my life.
Aaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!
Not AiG again! Will the insanity never end?
Creationists are a special kind of arrogant.
These guys are such great cherrypickers, I know a farmer who'd like to hire them to... pick cherries...
05:00 -Errrrm... Wasn't there somewhere along the line, a extremely large pleasure yacht, a few 'pets' and a bit of a 'rain event' in that book??? 🤔🤔🤔😏😝
And a rib woman, original incest and the 600 year old boat builder
Death is not evil. It's simply the end of life. The way people die can be evil, but that's generally due to other people.
Depends on what the cause of death is, for whether or not it is evil.
If Adam and Eve where first, and their sons Kane and Able next. Why would Kane need to be marked when banished from Eden? There would be no other person to harm Kane, other than Adam and Eve.
Cains wife maybe? Remember, he married soon after...
@@arnonuehm8942 where'd the wife come from? See what I'm getting at?
@@europademon East of Eden...yet another gaping plot hole in the Goathearder's Guide to the Galaxy.
@@europademon Exactly. The bible makes no sense at all, even if you try to view it as a work of fiction. Imagine e.g. Harry Potter was as ridden with contradictions as the bible is.
@@arnonuehm8942 I wouldn't read it at least.
Why is the creationists background Ireland??
You’ve been on fire with the frequent uploads recently! Good job man!
Professor Stick, could you try to play devil’s advocate and challenge creationist UA-camrs to try and refute that?
They would point out something stupid like "we haven't seen a giraffe make a hippo" and call that evidence. I wish I was exaggerating on that front.
The funny part of Genesis is that it says that man was created on day 6 in chapter 1, then claims that man didn’t exist before being created on day 7 exactly 1 chapter later.
8:38 "A quick glance at Genesis shows that the 2 stories don't fit at all" Funny thing to say when even the two first chapters of Genesis are contradicting each other.
"Evolution says the sun came before the earth, and creation says the earth was created before the sun!"
Yes, dear. That's one of the many reasons we know that the stories in the bible are wrong.
@@117gerardle
Oh, I know. But when one of these people says "evolution" you can just replace that with "all fields of science that I don't understand and wouldn't accept even if I did."
It's pretty convenient, when you think about it.
@@117gerardle Yes but this isn t the point so nvm. Don t expect this kind of ppl to rly know science
Professor Stick, may I recommend that you read Ishmael by Daniel Quinn. It's a very interesting philosophical read and I think you'd enjoy it
well selection doesn't only work by 'killing' the weak, rather it promotes positive traits by rate of succes (which can be through life length, reproduction rate ,energy efficiency or predation rate) so i would argue selection isn't cruel at all.
Selection is just an inevitable fact of population dynamics - creatures that stay around for longer and reproduce more often crowd out those who don't over time.
i'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure Hades (or Pluto, i suppose.) was a rather chill dude who had massive cults way back in the day. He's not a bad guy, he just has a job to do so he does it.
The flood was actually the ice age maybe.
Also the story of Caine and Able seems like a metaphor for the neolithic revolution, which arguably made life worse for the average person until the modern era.
your attitude pleases me
Thank you very much.
one question i like to ask to any question who claim that the bible is 100% truth:
why does genesis contain 2 alternative versions of how the world was created?
The Bible very clearly says that God " himself " states that he is the creator of evil. And its not an interpretation of what is said. It says it straight out, I AM THE CREATOR OF DARK AND LIGHT, GOOD AND EVIL, I AM THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS, FOR I AM GOD.
I'm just curious, where in the bible is this? I don't doubt it I just wanna know where
@@siramielthefirst7536 Isaiah 45:7.
Depending on which translation you find, it could use the word disaster, calamity, bad times, or distress instead of evil. But I do know that one of the translations uses the word evil.
@@righty-o3585 thank you!
@@siramielthefirst7536 Anytime 😁
I take aliens and bigfoot seriously, as do my family & friends, because of massive evidence for them.
I have zero obligation to justify this position to ANYONE who believes in fantasy garbage like gods or takes childish crap like religion seriously, or who denies proved facts and theories like Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW), vaccines preventing deaths, the mass murdering meat industry adding unnecessary carbon footprint, and evolution.
you keep me saner than a therapist /joke
I actually kinda agree with Calvin here in some capacity, atleast if you believe that God is perfect and all knowing, why would the method of creation be so brute force
@QED What possible use could there be to a brute force method if you are a perfect all powerful being? It feels pretty inherently illogical. And to be clear the morality or brutality of using evolution isn't my point here, just that using a stochastic trial and error method when you are perfect and have all the answers makes no sense.
To be honest, when it comes to motivation I don't understand a motivation to create at all for a perfect timeless spaceless all powerful being in the first place. Creation is the product of need or desire, why would a bring like that have any needs or desires.
This doesn't come from some ignorance like with the dog, it comes from the inherent insistency in the idea itself. If a dog thought the human was perfect and all powerful the motivation would not only be a mystery, but the fact that a motive exists in the first place would be incoherent.
@QED How could a human possibly know if such a being with so much more power is "good" or "honest" or "perfect" or the only being of its kind or a singular being or whatever quality people are claiming in the first place. Especially if things it does are incomprehensible. Plus since the meanings of the words used to describe those actions become incoherent to any reasonable human system, using our language and logic at all to describe such a being feels futile anyway.
But if those claims actually relates to the meaning the of words they say, they make no sense. If modern Christianity was entirely esoteric, maybe you'd have a point. But if you believe that the world and God operate under some conceivable logic that anyone has access to, their claims must operate under that logic.
Yeah, but same also goes for the Flood and biblical genocides and whatnot, he's basically dug himself into the same hole.
@QED It depends on the claims someone makes, but in general I find the idea of a stochastic method for a being that already knows everything the solution at the *very* least highly suspect.
Esotericism like this is probably the best response, but to me that argument becomes destructive to other beliefs, they'd probably like to maintain. Like a God with good intentions, or having one true God, or things like that.
@@Hailfire08 No, yeah. His overall position is pretty insane: God in the Bible makes mistakes and has regrets, which isn't consistent with a perfect God either. It's not like the literal Bible is any more consistent with modern Christianity theology, I was just surprised that he made, what I consider, a pretty cogent point.
Stick should do a video about the fundie school Cedarville University which is nicknamed Answers in Genesis University.
It would be interesting
"Do you believe that when someone sins, someone innocent has to pay for their sins?" Literally yes they do. That's basically what the adam and eve story is.
Well, God did supposedly give Jobe all kinds of ailments, just to prove a point about Jobe's loyalty. And told Abraham to take his son up to a mountain and kill him with a knife, just to say "psyche!" to prove the same thing.
Yeah. When I brought that up to my high school principal, who was religious and still is to this day, he just said it was a way for God to "make Abraham see how much he loved his son". He seemed very confused by the expression saying that brought on my face...
@@balanc-joy9187 wow, that certainly was a huge cop out excuse on his part, you were right to make a face.
@@johnbiggscr I know, it was worse when _he_ brought up to try to _defend_ God, the example of God "hardening Pharoh's heart" in Exodus. I _still_ get chills from how casually he brought that up.
Has... did... *did this dude just sleep through The Flood story in Sunday School?!*
Sunday school is the education centre for the gullible
God is Q from star trek, this insane universe now makes sense.
The part at the start of "people that dont flat out not believe in science try to integrate it into their religion" really works for me cause Im pagan and my ENTIRE belief system is that science is how things work, but that the natural forces of the universe are HOW those things happen the way they do. Take for example waves and tides, we know that the moon makes the tides cause of gravity and shiz, but why does it affect the tides in that way? answer, because the natural forces made it so. The order of the universe is to create forces that will keep things running smoothly. There arent any gods or deities or even figureheads of my belief, just that the natural forces of the universe are what make things run the way they do. Idk just thought it was interesting since im an example of a ""religion"" that actually does coexist with science
I don’t see what’s “pagan” about your belief system
@@zombieguy4444 Worship of nature, akin to a deity, though he can probably answer better. Also, he might have some stuff like a naturalistic afterlife, or reincarnation in his beliefs that aren't relevant to his point.
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pa·gan
/ˈpāɡən/
noun
a person holding religious beliefs other than those of the main world religions.
Being pagan doesnt mean being a witch or believing in cystals, just means being religious without being a part of the major world religions ie christianity, hinduism, buddhism, catholicism, judaism and so on
@@henbi7264 I know the definition
I just didn’t realize there was worship in what you were talking about
New fashion trend for christians: wearing socks for ties.
It's a word game with these jackwagons. when he (specifically him and the other apologists in his operation) use the word 'evil' they mean 'anything that prevents you from entering heaven'. So, eating that apple was 'evil'. Not accepting jesus into your heart is 'evil'. Thinking for yourself is 'evil'. Questioning the bible is 'evil'. Etc. And if they are going to claim the bible is inerrant, they have to live/die by that claim when it comes to the veracity of the book.
"evolution says the sun came before the Earth"
It most certainly does not! That happened a billion years before evolution even began on Earth.
I think he means that evolution cant happen with a sunless planet
Sky fairies, magic, and science mix together just like oil and water...
Can u pls do Spirit Science, that UA-cam channel indoctrinated into a cult and I really want you to do a video of it
Have you seen Sir Sic's take on the big blue maniac? Just something to tide you over if you haven't...
Ahh yes the frequency of the crystal is healing me
Can’t believe people actually watch that shit
The Dapper Dino is doing a really good hatchet job on Spirit Science at the moment. Get on over there and subscribe while you are there 👍
Martymer81 has the definitive series on Spirit Science
My favorite argument to Christians is "if God was real, why would he create life (a baby) then give them SIDS? And, if it wasn't God, why did he let it happen to someone he just created?" gets em every time.
A Jew, a Christian, and a Muslim walk into a bar.
They each invited an imaginary friend.
...and the barman said "is this some kind of a joke?"
My guy looks like a Creationalist Bill Nye
Evolution says the sun was created before the earth. Yeah, pretty sure evolution says nothing about the creation of any planetary bodies.
heh true. Just goes to show that they know nothing about the topics they speak of and they don't care.
Them: "Evolution is so cruel, do you really think God would set up that kind of system?"
Me: *Side eyes predation and parasitism* "I mean, if he exists he DID do that. Even if evolution isn't real. Nature red in tooth and claw ain't a phrase describing an alternate reality"
careful staring into the void, stick
Great video professor
Hey man, i was raised Pentecostal. Ppl do take the bible literally and much more, somehow the peace and love of the new testament representing the new covenant of salvation absolves one of the old laws...yet Leviticus was immune to the reformation for no reason ever given.
You're far more generous than i. I do not blieve jesus was a real person, but an amalgam of Mesopotamian roman, greek, and egyptian mythologies that were familiar to the people of that time in cultural centers, used to make the rising cult more palatable to new commers.
Calling Adam and Eve’s eating of the apple a ‘rebellion’ when they have no way of knowing what right and wrong is is kind of like telling someone, ‘hey, can you do something for me?’ And acting like them saying no is a crime
This dude succeeds at having both Alabama and Alberta accents at the same time.
"I never thought anyone took the bible literally" My Jehovas witness mom begs to differ
This guy is somehow doing a better job of convincing me that his beliefs are false...
Thanks for the video :)
Genesis 1 - "Let us create man in our image"
Genesis 2 - "God placed Adam, the man which he created from the dust of the earth, into the garden"
Haachama noooooo
The apologist is literally saying that no matter what evidence there is for scientific theories of various origins, if it conflicts with the collection if oral traditions of myth, pseudohistory, poetry and propaganda that is the Bible, it should be rejected on that grounds alone. Which is in the mission statement of creationist organizations(along with a rejection of methodological naturalism, a core tenet of science) who then say with a straight face that creationism and ID are "science".