another informative review ! would love to see how the Roland RP-102 compares to anyone of these pianos or with the Kawai KDP70 they all seem to be in the same price point at least here in the U.S.
Thanks for this comparison. The Yamaha sound much better. I hope Casio improves their sound samples because the rest of the piano seems to be excellent.
I had the chance playing both, and i have to Say that Casio's sound like more natural and rich, have more caracter and personality, and Yamaha sounds more "on the average", it seems like they are trying not to make risks or to experience new sounds or dynamics, like more safe sounds. Casio is more wild and colorful, more authentic..
These comparison videos are extremely valuable! Thank you! One quibble - on this video your voice is too loud. I don't want to have to turn the volume up to hear the piano well, then back down when you start talking again. Went to Yamaha's site to play their demo of the YDP-164 and that level was similar to where you have set the piano level. I'm guessing 0dB. I'm listening through Avantones and big old Marantz speakers powered by a 200W Kenwood receiver.
The videos are made even more valuable by your excellent playing that demonstrates the nuances of tone available and playability of these electronic widgets.
I wish Pianoteq would form a partner ship with a major digital piano manufacturer. Pianoteq has so many voices the choice is almost limitless. Of the two being demonstrated, I prefer the sound of the Yamaha. I feel there is more clarity.
Tough to be definitive after all the folding/spindling that video/audio gets in being loaded to UA-cam. It seems the Yamaha is slightly fuller, which would make sense if the Casio has the scooped midrange. I believe the scooped midrange is a 'feature' to accommodate vocals since that is where vocals typically reside.
Great video! How about the noise that keys make when you press them. Heard the casio was noisy, is that the case? Is there a comparison video between this casio and the roland rp102 ? Thanks
I’m a nerd also and almost certain they sample every 88 acoustic keys for the corresponding digital keys and at different hammer strike velocities. I doubt there is any sample stretching unless the engineers are extremely lazy
Yeah, I understand Stu's definition of tone. So, after listening to pianos and digitals and such I've come to the conclusion that Yamaha has a fair amount of a plaintive tone to it, at least the CFX and it seems also the Bosendorfer samples (and Bosendorfer samples are not in the Arius line of pianos). So that would exclude the P125 but include this YDP144. There's still a lot of bass in the Yamaha on the lowest end it's just not as bass forward as some other pianos. The treble is curiously restrained, in my opinion. The Casio gives a very good amount of bass and more presence and sparkle to the treble which makes me say over and over, that newer Yamahas are actually less bright in the treble than some other makes and more bright in the tenor to "alto" portion of the piano. Anyway, get the sound you like. I wish Yamaha would ditch the GHS and come up with a new lower-end action.
I have been looking at piano reviews for years and have seen you often. Have you thought of starting a blog or review website? I enjoy your insight on these pianos.
@@marlajackson1905 Hey thanks. I'm just giving my opinion on what I hear with pianos. I think to review pianos you'd need to work at a piano dealership or be a piano technician with access to them. I get to hear them and sometimes play them but my overall access to them isn't enough for me to have my own blog/vlog.
BENJAMIN, can you help me please? I'm Between the ap470 and the yamaha ydp 164. I really appreciate not only the piano sounds, I need a great organ and kind of b3 sounds. Can you help me in my buy please?
I am looking for the same thing. My primary interest is classical, but I’m looking for great organ sounds for practicing church songs and jazz. In all of my research in the price range of less than $2,000 the only thing that seems to fit the bill is Kawaii (console and portable). They have a very realistic sounding organ. My hesitation is their reliability. Their reputation precedes them. I am still considering a Kawaii based on the tone and the organ sounds and will hope for the best if I purchase one.
Takes a while for brand reputation to equal product quality - for any company, moving in either direction. Bad brands can make great products for 10 years before people finally notice. Great brands can make bad products for 10 years before things really start to suffer. No company is perfect, but I do think that Casio's reputation lags behind it's current product lineup, we'll see how history judges things! Thanks for the comment and for watching Rostislav :) -stu
There is one advantage for me: sound. I prefer the way Yamaha sounds. Power, features, 3 sensors, and greater polyphony will not make me buy the Casio. If I found Casio to sound better, I would buy it. But I don't like the way it sounds.
Instead of comparing according to price point, the comparison should be between pianos with similar tones, key action, & special features such as apps, pedals, USB ports, audio inputs/outputs, headphone jacks, etc.
We appreciate the suggestion immensely! While cost and price point are a major consideration for many piano shoppers, I definitely think it would be cool to approach some review videos from the standpoint that you're describing. :)
Yes, for this price go for Casio AP 470, not YDP 164. You won’t get disappointed. I played both of them and it was clearly noticed that technologically Yamaha stayed behind Casio at this point.
Не могу понять, англоязычные, может, на роялях не играли никогда и не имеют возможности сравнить звук цифрового пианино с живым... Иначе не могу объяснить того, что в комментах всем нравится Ямаха больше.
I’m comparing Yamaha ydp 105 with this Casio 870 but after saw this video I belive the Yamaha 105 is kind a lower version than the Casio 870. Do you know something about ydp 105?
It all comes down to a matter of personal preference of course. But, with that said, the PX870 has many superior specs to the YDP105, such as a more powerful speaker system and more built-in tones.
In this video, I like the Yamaha sound better. However, in my life I have a Casio AP-470, and I tried to play on this Yamaha in the store, and its sound seemed to me much less natural than on a Casio. Casio FOREVER❤!
I had the chance playing both, and i have to Say that Casio's sound like more natural and rich, have more caracter and personality, and Yamaha sounds more "on the average", it seems like they are trying not to make risks or to experience new sounds or dinamics, like more safe sounds. Casio is more wild and colorful, more autentic..
Hey there ... my daughter 8years old was recommended a Yamaha 164, I’m find it to pricy, yet don’t want to hinder her progress, she plays an acoustic piano at the music center and I want something at home for practice. And thinking about the Casio px770. What’s your advice
If she gonna play it just casually, px770 is fine. If she gonna play professionally, play difficult pieces in the future, then px870 is the most budget
When possible, visit stores and play the Yamaha 164 and rivals from Roland, Casio, and Kawai. Pick the one she likes best. FWIW, I think Roland and Yamaha have the fewest quality issues from what I can gauge.
@@user-io2rd8xi7x I don't think that's what they meant, Casio has ivory and ebony texture "FEEL" keys and Yamaha has no texture on them but both their keys are made of plastic. Ivory is Illegal! Haha
So which one is older? At 1:33 you say that the Yamaha has been on the market longer. But in 27:50 it says written the casio is from 2017, and the yamaha is from from 2020??
To me, the Yamaha YPD-144 sounds more lush, fuller, warmer, more nuanced. The Casio PX-870 sounds very good, but the should feels emptier, thinner, not as warm and full. I like the Yamaha sound better.
Casio has a cooler sound, Yamaha has a rather warmer sound. But if you play them in person, the Yamaha will feel less connected with your fingers. One example, you can try to play ff on this Yamaha, to me, this Yamaha can’t even produce ff, the tonality of ff just doesn’t exist at all. This Yamaha, includes p125 and other entry level Yamaha’s have very, very, very, very compressed touch curves. They can only play mp to mf. This Casio on the other hand can do pp to ff pretty easily with your fingers, this Casio is more dynamic than this Yamaha.
Doesn't the"mellow" voice on the Casio have more a mid rangey EQ than the default Grand sound? And if so dont you basically get the best of all worlds with the Casio? I'm genuinely trying to decide which to buy. My question is: Does the "mellow" voice of the Casio negate the extra warmth of the Yamahas tone? I prefer a warm tone, I dont really want a scooped EQ.
I personally played them both, the Casio sound more like a toy in real life, while the Yamaha is amazing it sound much more realistic, and better, and the Casio touch is sooooo overdone it’s bad, but at the end of the day you should try them both and see which one you like better.
The problem with comparisons like this is, it is recorded through line out. In reality, they don't sound anywhere close to that. Especially the Yamaha with it's very weak speaker system will sound like shit in your room. Not a single bit like here.
Thanks so much for tuning in! Both are excellent instruments with a lot of value packed in them. With that said, the PX870 and P515 are at slightly different price points and tiers, so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
Great comparison. Thanks!
another informative review ! would love to see how the Roland RP-102 compares to anyone of these pianos or with the Kawai KDP70 they all seem to be in the same price point at least here in the U.S.
Your video is top notch. If I was at your piano store, I would buy immediately...
Thanks for this comparison. The Yamaha sound much better. I hope Casio improves their sound samples because the rest of the piano seems to be excellent.
Great material. There is a difference in sounding, indeed. Thank you.
I had the chance playing both, and i have to Say that Casio's sound like more natural and rich, have more caracter and personality, and Yamaha sounds more "on the average", it seems like they are trying not to make risks or to experience new sounds or dynamics, like more safe sounds. Casio is more wild and colorful, more authentic..
how do you expect us to take you seriously when you can't even spell "Dynamics" or "Authentic" correctly
@@johnlong4832 Chill. Typos exist.
I tried both.
Yamaha sound superior.
Casio sound okey not bad
These comparison videos are extremely valuable! Thank you! One quibble - on this video your voice is too loud. I don't want to have to turn the volume up to hear the piano well, then back down when you start talking again. Went to Yamaha's site to play their demo of the YDP-164 and that level was similar to where you have set the piano level. I'm guessing 0dB. I'm listening through Avantones and big old Marantz speakers powered by a 200W Kenwood receiver.
The videos are made even more valuable by your excellent playing that demonstrates the nuances of tone available and playability of these electronic widgets.
I wish Pianoteq would form a partner ship with a major digital piano manufacturer. Pianoteq has so many voices the choice is almost limitless. Of the two being demonstrated, I prefer the sound of the Yamaha. I feel there is more clarity.
Not good idea
Tough to be definitive after all the folding/spindling that video/audio gets in being loaded to UA-cam. It seems the Yamaha is slightly fuller, which would make sense if the Casio has the scooped midrange. I believe the scooped midrange is a 'feature' to accommodate vocals since that is where vocals typically reside.
Could you review the YDP 164
Great video! How about the noise that keys make when you press them. Heard the casio was noisy, is that the case? Is there a comparison video between this casio and the roland rp102 ? Thanks
@@phoenixthepiano Thank you for your kind reply!
Ennio Moriconne... That's what I remember with the chords you're playing... Sad, dreamy, full of yearning, etc... You know what i'm saying... :)
Hello! What happened to the video comparing Bechstein and Bösendorfer grands?
Can you please make a video comparing Yamaha YDP-164 with Roland RP701 and other brands around that price points? Say $1300 to $1700 maybe...
That guy kind of reminds me of Ed Norton, voice and appearance.
That’s what I was thinking about too. And the voice! Great observation 👏😂
I’m a nerd also and almost certain they sample every 88 acoustic keys for the corresponding digital keys and at different hammer strike velocities. I doubt there is any sample stretching unless the engineers are extremely lazy
Yeah, I understand Stu's definition of tone. So, after listening to pianos and digitals and such I've come to the conclusion that Yamaha has a fair amount of a plaintive tone to it, at least the CFX and it seems also the Bosendorfer samples (and Bosendorfer samples are not in the Arius line of pianos). So that would exclude the P125 but include this YDP144. There's still a lot of bass in the Yamaha on the lowest end it's just not as bass forward as some other pianos. The treble is curiously restrained, in my opinion. The Casio gives a very good amount of bass and more presence and sparkle to the treble which makes me say over and over, that newer Yamahas are actually less bright in the treble than some other makes and more bright in the tenor to "alto" portion of the piano. Anyway, get the sound you like. I wish Yamaha would ditch the GHS and come up with a new lower-end action.
I have been looking at piano reviews for years and have seen you often. Have you thought of starting a blog or review website? I enjoy your insight on these pianos.
@@marlajackson1905 Hey thanks. I'm just giving my opinion on what I hear with pianos. I think to review pianos you'd need to work at a piano dealership or be a piano technician with access to them. I get to hear them and sometimes play them but my overall access to them isn't enough for me to have my own blog/vlog.
BENJAMIN, can you help me please? I'm Between the ap470 and the yamaha ydp 164. I really appreciate not only the piano sounds, I need a great organ and kind of b3 sounds. Can you help me in my buy please?
@@MVidalCalatayud I don't really know much about the organ sounds. Sorry.
I am looking for the same thing. My primary interest is classical, but I’m looking for great organ sounds for practicing church songs and jazz. In all of my research in the price range of less than $2,000 the only thing that seems to fit the bill is Kawaii (console and portable). They have a very realistic sounding organ. My hesitation is their reliability. Their reputation precedes them. I am still considering a Kawaii based on the tone and the organ sounds and will hope for the best if I purchase one.
Please do a review of Yamaha ydp 164
the product dates on your slide is the wrong ones for each i believe.
I think the Yamaha sound much more rich and full.... Like a grand piano in a large room. The Casio sounds a bit tinny, but still good for the price?
Hi from Canada. For classic songs at home, is YDP 144 better than P125? I watched your reviews and still am not sure.
YDP-144 better but i recommend YDP-164 :)
The only advantage of Yamaha is that it is not Casio. Price, power, features, 3 sensors keyboard, greater polyphony say Casio is better.
Takes a while for brand reputation to equal product quality - for any company, moving in either direction. Bad brands can make great products for 10 years before people finally notice. Great brands can make bad products for 10 years before things really start to suffer. No company is perfect, but I do think that Casio's reputation lags behind it's current product lineup, we'll see how history judges things! Thanks for the comment and for watching Rostislav :) -stu
Я так понимаю, на вас Касио тоже произвел впечатление больше, чем Ямаха?
Casio keyboard sound .
Yamaha piano sound.
This is the advantage 😅
There is one advantage for me: sound. I prefer the way Yamaha sounds. Power, features, 3 sensors, and greater polyphony will not make me buy the Casio. If I found Casio to sound better, I would buy it. But I don't like the way it sounds.
The fake ivory noon slip texture on the Casio keys feels awesome
I'm a bit confused, as I think the dates listed above are probably the wrong way round. The Casio is the newer machine?
I like the sound of the Yamaha. Casio is no slouch with my limited experience but Yamaha sounds better. Not sure about price difference.
I thought the Yamaha sounded clearer or crispier,,, I prefer the Yamaha. That’s my personal preference ❤️👍 thanks for giving us valuable reviews.
I just ordered the Yamaha ydp 144 from Amazon for $1,199.00.
I like the PX 870 and wonder why there are so many "new open box" pianos available. Are they being returned?
probably enthusiastic beginners trying to learn piano.... then realizing its not for them
Yamaha YDP-164 plz
Casio celviano or Yamaha Arius?
What's the better line?
Instead of comparing according to price point, the comparison should be between pianos with similar tones, key action, & special features such as apps, pedals, USB ports, audio inputs/outputs, headphone jacks, etc.
We appreciate the suggestion immensely! While cost and price point are a major consideration for many piano shoppers, I definitely think it would be cool to approach some review videos from the standpoint that you're describing. :)
Casio sound is a kind of "metallic". Like they have overlayed a harpsichord over the piano samples.
casio has 2 way speakers: tweeter makes all this sound you mentioned
Very similar sounds. The YDP 144 is better, but the PX 870 is cheaper. A fair comparison should be with an AP Casio series.
Ap 470p identical to px 870.
So no need
I'm no musician but the yamaha sounds a bit more "authentic" and "rich" as a tone if that makes any sense.
Wich song is on 19:10?
Hello guys, can you help me please. I’m considering digital piano and going to buy YAMAHA YDP164, maybe you now better variant in this price?
I need the same help
Yes, for this price go for Casio AP 470, not YDP 164. You won’t get disappointed. I played both of them and it was clearly noticed that technologically Yamaha stayed behind Casio at this point.
@@thiirane4279 ok, but the ap-470 is not in The same price range. Here in Brazil at least....much more expensive
Скажите пожалуйста, что лучше взять для обучения Yamaha YDP-144 или Casio AP-470 ?
Братан я без понятия
Тоже не знаю брат
casio sounds really good
Yamaha sounds so much better in my opinion.
How do i change the tone on the yamaha? Do i just press that button on the left? Cuz when i do it nothing happens
Are you looking to change the instrument voice or are you looking to adjust the individual parameters of a specific piano patch's tone?
Can anyone share the music sheet of what was played at @17:50?
That was just quickly improvised on the spot, unfortunately no sheet music or name for that. "Random Piano Review in G Major ;) " -stu
@@MerriamPianos "wow, that's really mellow" 😅
Не могу понять, англоязычные, может, на роялях не играли никогда и не имеют возможности сравнить звук цифрового пианино с живым... Иначе не могу объяснить того, что в комментах всем нравится Ямаха больше.
I’m comparing Yamaha ydp 105 with this Casio 870 but after saw this video I belive the Yamaha 105 is kind a lower version than the Casio 870. Do you know something about ydp 105?
It all comes down to a matter of personal preference of course. But, with that said, the PX870 has many superior specs to the YDP105, such as a more powerful speaker system and more built-in tones.
I’m also looking for an Yamaha Ydp164 or Casio ap-470, with Casio i dont know how long the action will last...any advice?
I need te same information
Yamaha gives you, for instance, 5 years warranty. Apart from that Casio is much better that Yamaha. I played both of them.
Did you decide which one to buy, I am also searching the same...
In this video, I like the Yamaha sound better. However, in my life I have a Casio AP-470, and I tried to play on this Yamaha in the store, and its sound seemed to me much less natural than on a Casio.
Casio FOREVER❤!
Quality sound of Yamaha Vs Casio
Like BMw Vs Renault.
🤣
@@user-xy8ec9nw3u Renault is very reliable and high-quality cars, like a Casio :)🔥😎
@@anton_sidash
Casio sound cheap for me 😁
I am sorry
CFx Vs sega🤣
I had the chance playing both, and i have to Say that Casio's sound like more natural and rich, have more caracter and personality, and Yamaha sounds more "on the average", it seems like they are trying not to make risks or to experience new sounds or dinamics, like more safe sounds. Casio is more wild and colorful, more autentic..
So they both can be used with headphones ? I didn't get it ^^
Yes
Hey there ... my daughter 8years old was recommended a Yamaha 164, I’m find it to pricy, yet don’t want to hinder her progress, she plays an acoustic piano at the music center and I want something at home for practice. And thinking about the Casio px770. What’s your advice
If she gonna play it just casually, px770 is fine. If she gonna play professionally, play difficult pieces in the future, then px870 is the most budget
When possible, visit stores and play the Yamaha 164 and rivals from Roland, Casio, and Kawai. Pick the one she likes best. FWIW, I think Roland and Yamaha have the fewest quality issues from what I can gauge.
Which has better hammer action and feel?
Casio has the ivory and ebony key feel.
Wheras the yamaha has plastic keys.
@@user-io2rd8xi7x I don't think that's what they meant, Casio has ivory and ebony texture "FEEL" keys and Yamaha has no texture on them but both their keys are made of plastic.
Ivory is Illegal! Haha
@@tanmaymandal.2108 read again,
Ivory and ebony "feel" still plastic that imitates the feel of the real deal
@@user-io2rd8xi7x
Just marketing nothing special
So which one is older?
At 1:33 you say that the Yamaha has been on the market longer. But in 27:50 it says written the casio is from 2017, and the yamaha is from from 2020??
I do normally prefer a more scooped EQ, but those Casio piano tones sounded VERY artificial.
I don't know why most of the commenters think the Yamaha sounds better than the Casio. I think the Yamaha sounds tinnish in the midrange keys.
Yamaha wins always.
To me, the Yamaha YPD-144 sounds more lush, fuller, warmer, more nuanced. The Casio PX-870 sounds very good, but the should feels emptier, thinner, not as warm and full. I like the Yamaha sound better.
Casio has a cooler sound, Yamaha has a rather warmer sound. But if you play them in person, the Yamaha will feel less connected with your fingers. One example, you can try to play ff on this Yamaha, to me, this Yamaha can’t even produce ff, the tonality of ff just doesn’t exist at all. This Yamaha, includes p125 and other entry level Yamaha’s have very, very, very, very compressed touch curves. They can only play mp to mf. This Casio on the other hand can do pp to ff pretty easily with your fingers, this Casio is more dynamic than this Yamaha.
@@briansun6336 wow this is why you have to spend some time playing the instrument. Videos and specs only go so far.
@@rescuemethod Yep. You have to try in person to see what you like.
@@briansun6336
Yamahs sound superior without doubt
@@xlokn to a listener yes. To a player, that Yamaha is rather disconnected. The dynamic range is garbage.
by sound impression Yamaha 144 as if an up-right piano and Casio 870 similar to grand piano ...
I can certainly understand that synopsis. :)
No bro
Doesn't the"mellow" voice on the Casio have more a mid rangey EQ than the default Grand sound? And if so dont you basically get the best of all worlds with the Casio?
I'm genuinely trying to decide which to buy.
My question is: Does the "mellow" voice of the Casio negate the extra warmth of the Yamahas tone? I prefer a warm tone, I dont really want a scooped EQ.
Which one ended you buying?
@@santiagofranco8299 Still getting the money together. Soon though... very soon
@@hirdy161 I am having a hard time trying to make up my mind. Do you have an specific one you are going for?
How many keys do both have?
PX870 HAS 2 X 4CM FACING UP AND 2 X 12CM FACING DOWN
Yes but yamaha better😂
Umm, The 560 and 5s are technically higher end than. These.
Can someone help me between ap470 and ydp 164 ? Yamaha seems to have best organs than casio...
I personally played them both, the Casio sound more like a toy in real life, while the Yamaha is amazing it sound much more realistic, and better, and the Casio touch is sooooo overdone it’s bad, but at the end of the day you should try them both and see which one you like better.
At the end of the day Yamaha is a reliable brand, Yamaha makes acoustics, while Casio just doesn’t.
@@hjeaas7815 both were meh
16:44 sounds like something out of Pokémon
The problem with comparisons like this is, it is recorded through line out. In reality, they don't sound anywhere close to that. Especially the Yamaha with it's very weak speaker system will sound like shit in your room. Not a single bit like here.
Casio doesn't sound good. Though Yamaha is older, I like it better. I am a Kawai man fwiw.
It was introduced last year. So, it's not that old.
casio is A LOT older. it came out when the 142 was new.
@alpay389 but yamaha sound superior
yamaha sounds more authentic. casio sounds kinda.. mechanical. digital. if that makes sense. lol
Yamaha have 2 X 8 Whats amplifier, not 2 X 12
You are correct! Thanks for the clarification! :)
The Casio sounds like a toy.
I prefer Yamaha’s.
Yes😂
Thanks for tuning in!
I have a Casio PX-870 and a Yamaha P-515 and the Casio sounds like a toy compared to the Yamaha
Thanks so much for tuning in! Both are excellent instruments with a lot of value packed in them. With that said, the PX870 and P515 are at slightly different price points and tiers, so it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
@@MerriamPianosthat's true, I think the Kawai ES-920 sounds better than the Yamaha
Those two pianos differ by about $1000 in price though, so it would be concerning if the Yamaha didn't sound better at that price lol
Casio middle octave sound like toy..😢