you guys need to understand that by Courtney going to the judges and asking what they need to improve is smart. Plus Courtney know's how to fill up the score sheet so even though it may not be huge in the wow factor, it get's more points. SE deserved to win and panthers did great too so everyone be happy and stop arguing
I find it really funny how so many people comment on how that "bobble" lost it for them when referring to this routine, when in fact, the scoresheets revealed that they weren't deducted for it at all. Senior Elite just hit extremely well on the day (and after making major major changes in tumbling). Part of my theory is also that they lost raw points in tumbling because they weren't NEARLY as synchronized as in Day 1, and also many of the flyers' body positions were absolutely horrendous on Day 2.
Added more standing, I believe. Actually, if you compare their Day 1 and Day 2 routine, almost all the formations for the standing tumbling are different. :)
TheGleeVids AH! I lied haha. There were changes but not the ones I mentioned. They took out a bit of the standing and made room for running that incorporated more girls at the same time.
Kaitlyn Delaney Oh, I vaguely remember seeing the scoresheet and them getting zero deductions, though? Maybe it was just a step on the red which isn't a deduction? :)
it's not a crime to ask the judges what you need to change, lol. in fact, i kind of wish all of the team's coaches did it. it would probably help a lot. courtney is smart.
cheer athletics are amazing!!!! panthers tumbeling is wonderful... cheetahs have amazing stunts and all the other teams are just as wonderful and i love super katz
Something about this Day 2 performance threw me off. Even before I knew the results, I knew they NCA curse bit them hard. Their team doubles at the start weren't as synced as they had been this entire season, the flyers held their positions better in Day 1, and everything was just a little less tight. It's a shame.
I love this routine and it's not boring at all! I don't hate SE and last time I checked Panthers were ahead of SE in day one. If CSP hadn't changed parts of their routine and everyone hit, panthers would have won. If you want to talk about how SE won go on their video!
Most teams make small changes. If you want to win you need to be open minded about making improvements. In such an amazingly talented division that's just how it goes.
Actually, F5's raw score would allow them to medal, however they were the only team in the top 4 to receive deductions, which placed them in 4th. Raw scores for top 4 went as follows: Senior Elite; Panthers; F5; Shooting Stars. Panthers, F5, and Stars were around .16 apart, so F5 really is still going strong, but they just have a tendency to mess up at big competitions.
Panther's competed the most consistently but there is no doubt that Senior Elite HIT flawlessly on day 2 and Panther's had a major bobble on the day which the scores counted. No one was cheated.
She was on the floor day 1, she was the last pass. And Lauren was on day 2 and last pass. If you can find the videos from Panthers' worlds show off. They performed twice, once with her & then another video performing with Lauren.
Ok the counting thing is something that all CA athletes do at any practice or competition. When teams switch off at practice they cheer each other on and count the pyramid. It's just something we do. I'm sure other gyms do the exact same thing.
i love this routine, and i dont think it is generic and boring at all! I do think SE deserved to win, they are truly amazing, but panthers are a very good team as well. Last time i checked they are two time world champs, and they won nca and got second at worlds this year.
& im not downing F5 ive been a fan since the first time I watched them when I was on NJSE Fab5 in 2001, but they bought CheerSport rings this year since thats all they won which puts them pretty low on the lrg sr5 totem poll. They have a lot of graduating superseniors & some awesome level 5 jrs moving up so hopefully next year will be better for them. They haven't won worlds in quite a while so maybe they'll return w/ a vengence. We shall see.
The only area that Panthers outscored Senior Elite was tumbling. Panthers scored around 4.6 points higher in tumbling than Senior Elite. However, Senior Elite outscored Panthers in choreography and building by around 3.1 points, and 6.46 points, respectively.
SE's building score was almost 7 points higher than panthers. F5's was 5 points higher than panthers too, but they had 3 points in deductions. No one had any stunts fall day 2 & I think SE's jumps were more in sync than anyone else's. I really like Panthers, but people need to stop saying 2-4th place were robbed.
The legends says that the NCA curse will only be broken by the team with the hardest stunt ever seen in the cheer world in level 5... One day it will break.. But who will break it.
Oooh. I was looking at other videos of Cheetahs and Wildcats, and the audience was chanting "1, 3, 5, 7" during their pyramids, so I just assumed it was at Cheer Athletics thing.
In a way, I understand what you mean, but I don't think I'd be able to see low scores or negative comments on a scoresheet and not do everything in my power to fix them. It's not even about winning, but trying to achieve the best you can do in my opinion.
its funny a friend of mine said that the other day, that the flawlessness they had all year just wasn't there on day two. like we knew in that moment that they lost, which just sucks cause they were my pick to beat that curse over stingray orange by farrr.
It wasn't out of desperation.. It was for constructive criticism. That shows how dedicated of a coach Courtney is. It's funny how the only ones who aren't bitter are SE, their fan base, and Panthers. All I've seen from girls on Panthers is them saying how happy they are with their silver. It's not like they got 4th. And you bashing a coach isn't gonna change the outcome of anything. I'm more of a SE fan, but I really like Panthers & I'm happy for them. 2nd isn't the end of the world. Calm down
like there is so much going on in their uniforms,the new design with the transparent mesh, takes away from the uniform itself, because you are adding in another extra color (skin color)
Panthers weren't even deducted for that 'bobble'. They lost to SE because their tumbling wasn't strong enough to push their score over the top, and their building scores weren't up to par, especially compared to SE. In my opinion, what really hurt them was that they only had 8 main stunt groups. Their building score would've been so much higher if they had 9.
Panthers is definitely one of my favorite teams out there don't get me wrong, but I think that Senior elite deserved to win because their stunts were much higher in difficulty and they were super clean. but no doubt Panthers deserved the silver trophy, they were both flawless. However, Panthers tumbling definitely beats Senior Elite's tumbling who agrees?
It is smart wat Courtney did I would want my coach to ask the judges so that we could win and I always wondered why SE routines are diff the second day they compete. If u ever watch there routines there Day 2 routine is a little different than Day 1 she is doing what it takes to make sure her team wins and what is wrong with that it is a competition not lets all be friends and get last place
like I said panthers competed the most consistently, but it's USASFs rules so SE hit on day 2 better than anyone, it sucks for Panthers but SE had an amazing routine and competed better on day 2 when it counted
AMEN! They had more difficult standing and running tumbling They're stunts were not as difficult but were10x cleaner than Sr Elites. Also they did not have any stunts fall They're jumps were also a lot better It baffles me. Sr. Elite should not have won. BABS FOR LIFE
Yup! She tore her mcl a week before, was determined to compete though so she did! She's a great tumbler and has a specialty to double, two to double I think?
no there score was lowered because of the bobble in the first stunt sequence from there point flyer with everyone they actually had the highest tumbling score
hmmm maybe so. but when i was at nca a few years ago i was sitting next to cheetahs and they were counting for panthers...so maybe its just some sort of cheer ritual they do
Hmm, you know what I don't get... How is everybody mad at & bashing the ladies on Senior Elite when they went out there & put their hearts on the floor just as much as everyone else & did an amazing job. If you THINK another team should have won blame the judges NOT Senior Elite!
usually yes you would be right, but at worlds this year, day 1 scores didnt transfer over to day 2, thats why SE won over Panthers because those bobbles and falls they had day 1 literally didnt count anymore towards day 2, it sucks i know
sweetie its nice of you to be so upbeat and positive but I retired in 05 and people were wacko's about this division back then, so no ones stopping any time soon. It will always be the coulda woulda shoulda for the teams that placed silver and bronze, the people that think someone else should have won, and in this division f5 no matter what anyone says, wasnt winning. they BOUGHT cheersport rings, for christ sake. This division is a headache though, I'll say that.
u could always make it. I'm sure that your mom or dad might move you there if you submit a video tryout and your that good of a flyer. you might be able to(;
Flyergirl awww maybe some day! A girl from my gym is joining Cali coed and we're from New Zealand! A few boys from our sister gym have gone over to Cali coed and cheer extreme as well. If you're a boss flyer send a try out video and if you do make it, I'm sure your parents can compromise!
Again, they weren't deducted for the bobble. It was a travelling stunt. Execution-wise, maybe, but it wasn't a 'bobble deduction'. Nothing in the scoresheet reflected a deduction. And I was saying that although their tumbling was great and was the most difficult, it wasn't enough to make up for the other areas where they didn't score as high. They might've stayed first if they were as clean as they were Day 1, and if Senior Elite hadn't competed more difficult tumbling Day 2.
Do you guys not see that in other sports scores or times don't carry over? In track for instance, they have prelims, quarter finals , semi & finals. None of their times carry over or get averaged. One person could be the fastest in Semi finals & then get second in the finals or maybe even lower if they make a mistake, it's no different.
they were deducted for that bobble they had the highest score for tumbling in the division, they were first place the first day and would've stayed in first if the stunt didnt bobble
Ya SE dropped 2 stunts but the first day doesnt count for the 2nd day. Day 1 is where u perform to make it to finals and day 2 is where u perform to win worlds and SE came back beasting it.
Ok first of all, the only reason SE won was because Courtney went to the judges and asked them what she could change in order to beat Panthers. The judges told her that SE's pyramid music was too slow and to have tumbling like Panthers so clearly Panthers had better tumbling. If Courtney hadn't changed the routine, panthers would've won. This info has been confirmed so unless you were at worlds, don't run your mouth. SE was amazing but Panthers should have won.
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Still the best routine, music and uniforms that I have ever seen from them.
you like the Uniforms? 😳 I find them terrible lol
+unoitnique Yeah! They really bring out the endless doubles in this routine.
Favorite uniforms and music from them. They are one of the first routines I watched they made me fall in love with cheer
you guys need to understand that by Courtney going to the judges and asking what they need to improve is smart. Plus Courtney know's how to fill up the score sheet so even though it may not be huge in the wow factor, it get's more points. SE deserved to win and panthers did great too so everyone be happy and stop arguing
Ugh I wish they'd bring these uniforms back they're the absolute best uniforms panthers have ever worn
AGREED
Amen
They might bring them back, rebel athletic posted it on instagram
Sassy cats wore them at Summit
I find it really funny how so many people comment on how that "bobble" lost it for them when referring to this routine, when in fact, the scoresheets revealed that they weren't deducted for it at all. Senior Elite just hit extremely well on the day (and after making major major changes in tumbling). Part of my theory is also that they lost raw points in tumbling because they weren't NEARLY as synchronized as in Day 1, and also many of the flyers' body positions were absolutely horrendous on Day 2.
What were the changes senior elite made to their tumbling?
Added more standing, I believe. Actually, if you compare their Day 1 and Day 2 routine, almost all the formations for the standing tumbling are different. :)
TheGleeVids AH! I lied haha. There were changes but not the ones I mentioned. They took out a bit of the standing and made room for running that incorporated more girls at the same time.
They had an OOB which cost them the rings.
Kaitlyn Delaney Oh, I vaguely remember seeing the scoresheet and them getting zero deductions, though? Maybe it was just a step on the red which isn't a deduction? :)
it's not a crime to ask the judges what you need to change, lol. in fact, i kind of wish all of the team's coaches did it. it would probably help a lot. courtney is smart.
Still is, in my opinion, their best routine to this day
My favorite cheer mix from them😍
Me too.
Best Cheer Mix ever
what about 2012, I loved that from them
Just so in love with their tumbling and dance. Holy mother of perfect
I keep watching that last tumbling pass over & over! Lol. Her & Amanda Graceffa have the best form when they tumble.
And the top 3 teams had no deductions at all. Courtney just knew what to do to hit the Day 2 score sheet hard
the fact that THE Quenlin Blackwell (Quensadilla) was on this team I can’t bye I love her sm
when she said she used to do cheer I thought she meant highschool sideline cheer 💀 I never knew she was up in cheer athletics, like damnn
cheer athletics are amazing!!!! panthers tumbeling is wonderful... cheetahs have amazing stunts and all the other teams are just as wonderful and i love super katz
That is a GOLD Medal Performance!!!
Something about this Day 2 performance threw me off. Even before I knew the results, I knew they NCA curse bit them hard. Their team doubles at the start weren't as synced as they had been this entire season, the flyers held their positions better in Day 1, and everything was just a little less tight. It's a shame.
I love this routine and it's not boring at all! I don't hate SE and last time I checked Panthers were ahead of SE in day one. If CSP hadn't changed parts of their routine and everyone hit, panthers would have won. If you want to talk about how SE won go on their video!
Most teams make small changes. If you want to win you need to be open minded about making improvements. In such an amazingly talented division that's just how it goes.
Actually, F5's raw score would allow them to medal, however they were the only team in the top 4 to receive deductions, which placed them in 4th.
Raw scores for top 4 went as follows: Senior Elite; Panthers; F5; Shooting Stars.
Panthers, F5, and Stars were around .16 apart, so F5 really is still going strong, but they just have a tendency to mess up at big competitions.
By far my favorite American team! Best routine of 2013 in my opinion
Panther's competed the most consistently but there is no doubt that Senior Elite HIT flawlessly on day 2 and Panther's had a major bobble on the day which the scores counted. No one was cheated.
She was on the floor day 1, she was the last pass. And Lauren was on day 2 and last pass. If you can find the videos from Panthers' worlds show off. They performed twice, once with her & then another video performing with Lauren.
she was talking about last year, no need to toss names. goodness. we are all here to watch the amazingness, you don't need to be rude.
Ok the counting thing is something that all CA athletes do at any practice or competition. When teams switch off at practice they cheer each other on and count the pyramid. It's just something we do. I'm sure other gyms do the exact same thing.
Wow!! That is breathtaking
this was an awesome routine.!
amazing work.!
i love this routine, and i dont think it is generic and boring at all! I do think SE deserved to win, they are truly amazing, but panthers are a very good team as well. Last time i checked they are two time world champs, and they won nca and got second at worlds this year.
& im not downing F5 ive been a fan since the first time I watched them when I was on NJSE Fab5 in 2001, but they bought CheerSport rings this year since thats all they won which puts them pretty low on the lrg sr5 totem poll. They have a lot of graduating superseniors & some awesome level 5 jrs moving up so hopefully next year will be better for them. They haven't won worlds in quite a while so maybe they'll return w/ a vengence. We shall see.
OMG I LOVE THEM SO MUCH
The only area that Panthers outscored Senior Elite was tumbling. Panthers scored around 4.6 points higher in tumbling than Senior Elite. However, Senior Elite outscored Panthers in choreography and building by around 3.1 points, and 6.46 points, respectively.
was quenlin blackwell (quensadilla from vine) here??
Creamii yeah she’s a flyer in there main stunt
omg I'm still shook she was a cheerleader
@@valeriegrillo6818 which flyer is she?
I like them too!
You're a saint. Thank you!!
Gave me chills. The crowds sound massive now.
Took me all year but I finally like this routine
that backstop saaaaved that stunt
SE's building score was almost 7 points higher than panthers. F5's was 5 points higher than panthers too, but they had 3 points in deductions. No one had any stunts fall day 2 & I think SE's jumps were more in sync than anyone else's. I really like Panthers, but people need to stop saying 2-4th place were robbed.
The legends says that the NCA curse will only be broken by the team with the hardest stunt ever seen in the cheer world in level 5... One day it will break.. But who will break it.
Oooh. I was looking at other videos of Cheetahs and Wildcats, and the audience was chanting "1, 3, 5, 7" during their pyramids, so I just assumed it was at Cheer Athletics thing.
In a way, I understand what you mean, but I don't think I'd be able to see low scores or negative comments on a scoresheet and not do everything in my power to fix them. It's not even about winning, but trying to achieve the best you can do in my opinion.
I love the crowd singing the dance...go BABS!!! CA is coming harder next year for sure
its funny a friend of mine said that the other day, that the flawlessness they had all year just wasn't there on day two. like we knew in that moment that they lost, which just sucks cause they were my pick to beat that curse over stingray orange by farrr.
I like the uniforms over all, but there are so many different styles going on with it! lol
It wasn't out of desperation.. It was for constructive criticism. That shows how dedicated of a coach Courtney is. It's funny how the only ones who aren't bitter are SE, their fan base, and Panthers. All I've seen from girls on Panthers is them saying how happy they are with their silver. It's not like they got 4th. And you bashing a coach isn't gonna change the outcome of anything. I'm more of a SE fan, but I really like Panthers & I'm happy for them. 2nd isn't the end of the world. Calm down
Perfection.
Wow they were amazing
I loved ♥
like there is so much going on in their uniforms,the new design with the transparent mesh, takes away from the uniform itself, because you are adding in another extra color (skin color)
Panthers weren't even deducted for that 'bobble'. They lost to SE because their tumbling wasn't strong enough to push their score over the top, and their building scores weren't up to par, especially compared to SE.
In my opinion, what really hurt them was that they only had 8 main stunt groups. Their building score would've been so much higher if they had 9.
Thank you!!
Panthers is definitely one of my favorite teams out there don't get me wrong, but I think that Senior elite deserved to win because their stunts were much higher in difficulty and they were super clean. but no doubt Panthers deserved the silver trophy, they were both flawless. However, Panthers tumbling definitely beats Senior Elite's tumbling who agrees?
Am I the only one that actually kinda loves their uniforms.... yes? just me ? okay....
Amazing routine!
spectacular tumbling!! * goosebumps *
I love the bases! Especially Tay
amazing amazing amazing
Perfect
It is smart wat Courtney did I would want my coach to ask the judges so that we could win and I always wondered why SE routines are diff the second day they compete. If u ever watch there routines there Day 2 routine is a little different than Day 1 she is doing what it takes to make sure her team wins and what is wrong with that it is a competition not lets all be friends and get last place
like I said panthers competed the most consistently, but it's USASFs rules so SE hit on day 2 better than anyone, it sucks for Panthers but SE had an amazing routine and competed better on day 2 when it counted
what? I loves it so much!!
Best cheer mix ever?:o
i absolutely LOVE this routine! dont get me wrong i think SE deserved to win but i still love panthers!! :)
I feel like I have drifted away from panthers. In 2010 I was obsessed. In 2011 I was addicted. 2012 I just liked them. I don't know why
AMEN!
They had more difficult standing and running tumbling
They're stunts were not as difficult but were10x cleaner than Sr Elites. Also they did not have any stunts fall
They're jumps were also a lot better
It baffles me. Sr. Elite should not have won.
BABS FOR LIFE
Yes. Panthers are remaining large for the 2013-2014 season.
I think Lauren stopped after NCA to focus more on her pole vaulting, but then came back, so they alternated day 1 & 2.
Yup! She tore her mcl a week before, was determined to compete though so she did! She's a great tumbler and has a specialty to double, two to double I think?
I love you for making this comment!
i thought so, ive never seen that before
nothing vulgar about carly manning lookin fierce!
no there score was lowered because of the bobble in the first stunt sequence from there point flyer with everyone they actually had the highest tumbling score
i still get chills 3
It's a tradition for Panthers.
YOU LADIES ARE PERFECT!!! AND DO NOT NEED YOUR COACHES ASKING JUDGES FOR ADVICE OUT OF DESPERATION. IT JUST SHOWS WHO THE REAL WINNERS WERE!!!
hmmm maybe so. but when i was at nca a few years ago i was sitting next to cheetahs and they were counting for panthers...so maybe its just some sort of cheer ritual they do
Hmm, you know what I don't get... How is everybody mad at & bashing the ladies on Senior Elite when they went out there & put their hearts on the floor just as much as everyone else & did an amazing job. If you THINK another team should have won blame the judges NOT Senior Elite!
the tumbling was so fast holy shit!!! so jealous!!!
Dang!
i don't understand how you're saying "the same routine since 2010" they come up with new and more creative stuff every year.
that's my mom screaming let's go girls in the background... hahahaha
that woman who is screaming every other second is really pissing me off
what place did these come in because i love this routine and it should deserve to be at-least in the top 3 xxx
usually yes you would be right, but at worlds this year, day 1 scores didnt transfer over to day 2, thats why SE won over Panthers because those bobbles and falls they had day 1 literally didnt count anymore towards day 2, it sucks i know
Wow!!!!!
sweetie its nice of you to be so upbeat and positive but I retired in 05 and people were wacko's about this division back then, so no ones stopping any time soon. It will always be the coulda woulda shoulda for the teams that placed silver and bronze, the people that think someone else should have won, and in this division f5 no matter what anyone says, wasnt winning. they BOUGHT cheersport rings, for christ sake. This division is a headache though, I'll say that.
And honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't given the difficulty score for some of those arabesques.
My dream is to fly on this team but
1. The place is 7-8 hrs away from me
2. I am like level 1 or 2 tumbling, 5 flying tho;)
u could always make it. I'm sure that your mom or dad might move you there if you submit a video tryout and your that good of a flyer. you might be able to(;
Yeah but it's also really expensive. We also used to live an hour way but then my dad got a new job.
Flyergirl awww maybe some day! A girl from my gym is joining Cali coed and we're from New Zealand! A few boys from our sister gym have gone over to Cali coed and cheer extreme as well. If you're a boss flyer send a try out video and if you do make it, I'm sure your parents can compromise!
Yeah but I made my gyms JUINOR 1 team. I backspot since I'm the tallest but I fly in one mans so I still fly some
Flyergirl have you tried flying level 5 stunts?
Again, they weren't deducted for the bobble. It was a travelling stunt. Execution-wise, maybe, but it wasn't a 'bobble deduction'. Nothing in the scoresheet reflected a deduction. And I was saying that although their tumbling was great and was the most difficult, it wasn't enough to make up for the other areas where they didn't score as high. They might've stayed first if they were as clean as they were Day 1, and if Senior Elite hadn't competed more difficult tumbling Day 2.
Do you guys not see that in other sports scores or times don't carry over? In track for instance, they have prelims, quarter finals , semi & finals. None of their times carry over or get averaged. One person could be the fastest in Semi finals & then get second in the finals or maybe even lower if they make a mistake, it's no different.
they were deducted for that bobble they had the highest score for tumbling in the division, they were first place the first day and would've stayed in first if the stunt didnt bobble
I can't believe Carly is on Wildcats next season.
Ya SE dropped 2 stunts but the first day doesnt count for the 2nd day. Day 1 is where u perform to make it to finals and day 2 is where u perform to win worlds and SE came back beasting it.
actually if you look at the score of all of the teams panthers had the highest tumbling score out of the large all-girl teams
Yes Bailey Payton was hurt. Torn MCL 10 days prior to worlds
It might just be a Cheer Athletics thing, especially for Panthers.
I'm pretty sure people are going to be arguing about worlds 2013 till final day of worlds 2014
Ok first of all, the only reason SE won was because Courtney went to the judges and asked them what she could change in order to beat Panthers. The judges told her that SE's pyramid music was too slow and to have tumbling like Panthers so clearly Panthers had better tumbling. If Courtney hadn't changed the routine, panthers would've won. This info has been confirmed so unless you were at worlds, don't run your mouth. SE was amazing but Panthers should have won.
I like it it was good
the bronze and silver were really close so they didnt really had a chance either...