Vortex, Taipan AiM, Athena GET, Which ECU Is Best For Your Honda CRF450RL?
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- I've run the Vortex, AiM, and GET ECUs and I've come to some conclusions as to which gives your Honda CRF450L/RL more power, better traction control, and smoother throttle response. Team Yellow, Green, or Pink? No more twitchy throttle!
How to 0 your TPS:
Stock/Vortex
Port is upper right, second from the top, between a green/orange above and a solid green below.
Insert a wire between port and ground.
Turn the bike on. The fuel pump should NOT start if everything is correct.
THrottle closed, turn the bike over for three seconds.
Throttle wideopen, turn the bike over for three seconds.
Done
AIM
Bike off, kill switch in kill position.
Insert a wire into the port.
Turn the bike to ON.
While grounding the wire out switch the kill switch to RUN. The motor light should start blinking.
With the throttle CLOSED, momentarily ground the wire again. The engine light should go solid - then start blinking.
With the throttle held wide OPEN, momentarily ground the wire again. The engine light should go solid - then start blinking.
GET
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The Vortex ECU has an overwhelming amount of success stories across multiple platforms. The AIM/GET ECU didn't get noticed for "new technology" advancements as some have mentioned in the FB groups, but due to the supply chain crisis Vortex went through regarding chips Toyota, Honda, and GM horded for their vehicles. At the end of the day we all know Vortex are durable and have the history to prove it. Vortex eliminates bog, decreases flame outs, and smooths out off idle throttle delivery. I wouldn't get the map switch for the Honda. Normally, once you pick a map on the Vortex that suits your needs you're less likely to switch. I think the GET/AIM ECU are great alternatives when you can't locate a Vortex, but aren't my first choices. I love the laid back video!
Thanks KB
I’m trying to find a gets to fit my 2019 crf450l and the vortex I still have flame out
The GET ECU was the first choice for the Honda race team. They must have gotten something right
Had the same issue with the GET ECU on my Husky FE350s. Ordered it from TacoMoto. Idle was all over the place and the bike would eventually stall. Talked to Mike from TacoMoto and he was amazing. Talked to me throughout the troubleshooting and eventually helped me switch to a Vortex ECU. Night and day difference between GET and Vortex. Shoutout to TacoMoto and Mike. Very impressive customer support!
Taco Mike is all right.
Thanks for the time you took to put this comparison together. Now I'm even more satisfied that I got the AIM [from Tokyo Mods (they are just a mile from my house) for less than retail]. I thought my idle was a little high after installing it last week but the manual does say idle should be at 1800 so that seems right. I like the 1 and done install with no switches. There are already enough tech things to fuss with in life these days so the GET loses it's charm in that regard. I just want to ride! (faster now, thank you)
I like the AIM for its simple smoothness. Thanks for watching Eric.
Thank you very much for making this video! I am so glad I watched this before pulling the trigger. I was planning on the GET after talking to Mike at tacomoto as he was very adiment of the GET being the end all be all best. Now Im back on board for the AIM. Thanks again John!
You're welcome!
Just sold my old XR650L. I have a 2019 CRF450L I picked up with 700 mi. I rode it and it was real twitchy from 0-on throttle, and would die when chopping the throttle. I adjusted the idle up 3 clicks, added a bit more free play in the throttle cable. Made a big improvement. Doesn't die anymore. But still has a bit of surge. I'm getting the aim.
I was super impressed by the control it allowed.
Thank you for doing this video, not a lot of info out there from end users on this
You’re welcome!
I’ve been waiting to hear your opinion on these. Based on this and other videos I’ve seen so far, the GET seems to be the way to go. I was impressed with the slow speed control you had with the AIM and that’s where I really want to see my bike improve. Tough call, good video.
You're right, it IS a tough call. Add a WiFi to the AiM and it would be an easier call.
@Albert Raisner nice. The CRF450L can do it all.
Where did you get the get ecu I’m trying to find for my 2019 CRF450L I have a Vortex and I still have flame out
Good video John much of my same thoughts Tons of torque with AiM and good linear power from the GET, Although on my 450RL when using the GET it doesn't idle that weak or stalls like that Mike flashed it in August of this year and I'm only running a full exhaust as a mod I still have the emissions on it stock air box and cover on if that makes a difference With the AiM the biggest drawback was the 50 MPH surge I switched to map 3 jacked the high fueling up to 5 and the mid to 4 Smoothed it out a bit Take care sir
I have not had a chance to mess with the trims too much yet, but I certainly plan on it. Nad ya, mine just plain ole does not like the GET, tho I can feel and see how it could run. Thanks for chiming in!
Another great video!
I have an Aim ECU and multiswitch, just waiting for my full Yoshimura to show up. Looking forward to this upgrade. Shoutout to Taco Mike for the firmware upgrade assistance with my ECU.
Thank YOU!
Not sure how I missed this; particularly since it was published on my birthday! Thanks for your insight on these!
Happy Birthday!
Welcome back John. Was wondering what you have been up to. Glad to see another great video. Saw born a goon videos and you both seem to be in agreement on each unit and what they do. However, Im sticking with old yeller. It eliminated all the nasties of the stock unit while boosting power. So at this point Im not spending the extra money to chase a few more ponies.
Looking forward to your next video.
I’ve been busy busy busy. Lots of life changes behind the scenes. I’m hoping to get more out in 2023.
The Vortex is for sure a solid dependable unit.
@@JohnTYoung definitely looking forward to your next videos. Hope your busy life is busy in a good way. Thanks again for all you do for this community. I most certainly value your opinions and well produced videos. If we don’t hear anything from you until 2023 I wish you a wonderful holiday season and best wishes for a healthy and prosperous new year.
@@christopherhamm1574 Thanks, Christopher.
Thanks for another great review John, The AiM unit sounds like the best fit for me.
I really liked how smooth the bike felt on it.
Vortex has the history and retail support of many dealers. The AIM and the GET is supported by only Taco Moto. Mike is a stand-up guy, but I will wait a few years and see how the AIM and GET evolve.
I’ve never had a problem with the Vortex on a 2020 or 2021 450RL.
It will be interesting to see the long term Get review. Thanks for the video.
Slaven's also sells both. As for "support", if you mean they'll take it back and send you a new one. I agree. Thanks for joining the convo!
Take a look at how the playing field shakes out
docs.google.com/document/d/1mFL70z5ohArQO0iG3BMQk71SwL-0ruzfmlqAiIxVVG4/edit
@@TACOMOTOCO - Great doc. Thanks for the time & efforts of everyone involved. These boxes have a very exciting future.. I bought my bike used w/ Yami full pipe and Vortex already fitted. Am sure it made a big improvement in ridability as compared to stock. Also, I was thinking on the lines of Taco as it almost appears sometimes the flameout “could” be an electrical glitch. Would be a heck of a thing if we were on a wild goose chase and actually had a bad connection at the kick stand, etc. At least this is addressed in the doc. The bike is definitely worth fixing.
@@TACOMOTOCOthank ya sir. Have a 2021 450RL and have to get one some day soon. Just unsure which at the moment.
Extremely informative, objective and well done video, thank you! You answered dozens of questions I had and dozens more I didn't know I had. I owe you a beer!
Belgium White please!
Thank you for comparing these
My pleasure!
Considering ditching my CRF250L for the 450RL & have watched a lot of vids on 450 problems & mods. This is one of the best I've seen regarding the ECU's.
The one thing I haven't seen anywhere, is a video that compares the original Honda ECU to any of the aftermarket options. Many people mention issues with the OEM parts, but I haven't found one vid that shows them. Need to see the baseline data.
Ah. I'm sure I have the original ECU buried around here somewhere...
Thanks John, I have a vortex and I'm staying with it cause I have it and I'm used to it, sure its plug'n'forget just like the bike, isn't that why we bought a CRF in the first place, its old school, simple and solidly reliable
All true. I have not sold mine yet. I still have it.
Looking forward to your review after bringing the GET to the pros and running with it for a while. Thanks for the video! Running on the stock European (+ power mod from Honda), I would have loved if you included the stock for the test as well. Yeah we all know it, but would have given a reference point.
I wanted to do that but I can’t find my stock one anywhere. Last I saw it, it was in the back of my truck bouncing around
Great video, thanks. I am a little surprised you went with the Get over the AiM, I thought in the video you were happier with the Aim.
I was/am happier with the AIM. But then again, the GET is nice too....
Good job. But it would be even more helpful if you told us what maps and what settings were being used in each ECU.... 👍
The Dyno Power or Max Power map in each.
The vortex has been awesome on my 22RL
Worked on mine as well.
Wow, that’s rough.. Was gonna pull the trigger on the full GET setup today. There is another vid out (sure you’ve seen it). It runs rougher for that user as well, but the traction control is impressive as he gets moving up hills that are pretty challenging. My number one priority is fixing the scary flameout at the worst time. If that can’t be fixed, then I won’t trust the bike. I’m an older fart (speaking for myself) and spend a lot of time just putting over obstacles and keeping the slow speed abilities up. Fun right? There is the older more standard flame-out that was notorious in big thumpers in the carb days when it sort of was sucking air and just not enough fuel at just the instant you roll on the gas, and they would sort of fire backwards back through the carb and kill the motor. We got used to that, whatever remained from tinkering with jetting, shape of the slide, washers under the needle, going to pumper carbs, whatever. We dealt with it. This ‘19 450L seems to suffer from something a bit different, but more costly because theres no warning. Sometimes in a very slow turn, it’s just like the kill switch was activated and it just dies! No bloop, nothing, just turns off. Then its rescue mode to keep from dropping her. Seems “different” from the older flameout of the earlier big thumps. Could deal with that, I can’t with this. It’s not fun anymore. So, I WAS focused in the GET. But after your vid and seeing how the motor blips off idle so clean with the AIM, I’m almost willing to give up a bit of top end (highway cruise). Question is, how does the AIM run on the highway? That might be my next research item.. The GET with wifi and trouble code reader is a nice plus. Dang it, time to do more research. I wanted the GET, but already have the vortex also. It is good, but hasn’t completely solved then flameout. Sorry so long, just thinking out loud.. Your vid was very helpful. I hadn’t even considered the AIM until seeing yours run so finely tuned off the bottom like that. Looks like it would be a pleasure to ride. Thanks again - great job..
Sounds to me like the AiM is your new ECU.
@@JohnTYoung - Ordered! Got the multimode map switch to tinker a bit. Then maybe put a mini-toggle switch in the future control board to use the two favorites. Will let you know how it works out. Thanks again!
I'm happy with my AIM and it does fine on the highway but I don't ride above 65 mph.
I hear you on the flameout. My 86 XL 600 was prone to that, but my 21 450 RL is savage on the flame outs….dad bought me my first bike in 72 when I was 5…so 50 years riding this year…love my CRF 450, but it makes you look like a new rider at best with its flameouts at stop signs, worst case it could get a guy hurt in traffic…..Im up near Calgary Alberta, so heres hoping the vortex works well in the Rocky Mountains lol.
AIM Verdict: 👍🏽👍🏽 Smooth, with plenty of power everywhere. It didn’t matter what map I used. Hard to not like it.
Thank you thank you!!! Excellent information you provided!
Glad it was helpful!
I ordered the AIM ecu from taco moto. It will be here in the next few days.. I’ve ram the dynojet for 6000 miles well 7100 now.. can’t wait till my aim gets here..
You're going to love it.
Great video, I like your practical viewpoints. Will you be making an update review on your bike after the 20,000 miles and some news on your motor wear? Thanks!!
Hey Faster, thanks! I am in the middle of making the 20,000 mile review. I wanted to get some measurements for it before I finish it, but I'm almost ready.
Thank you another great vid .I think with that beard we can start calling you the 450l wizard 😉
Yes!
IMO the AiM is the best of the three. The vortex is actually ancient tech inside commanding the high price as they need someone to continue to produce the CPU. The AiM is made by a company who manufactures tech for Formula 1, and is actually pretty techy inside. You can actually tell the AiM has programmed Anti-Stall from the blip test and how it catches itself when you rapidly cut throttle.
The GET had some form of ignition abnormality, sounds very retarded with the elevated exhaust note over the other two and it's ability to keep running at a low RPM.
Copy.
Talk about lean.... The header on my 2022 450RL will glow after a few minutes warming up. I've only put 21 miles on it stock because my dark-imaginings have me wondering about the wear and tear on the drive train due to the jerkiness of the engine, stock.
No worries. I've got a GET, ready to install from Taco Moto. I got the GET due to it's wifi programmability, but I'm starting to think the AIM might have been the better choice (I'm 60, my bones don't heal like they did when I was 30). The AIM seems like it idles better.... Plus, Im 60. I can get the AIM, you youngsters!
I'm not that far behind you Michael. And while my bones don't heal as fast, I have better insurance than most kids...
sounds like the GET needs more fuel. a richer mix will help stop flameout and bogging when the throttle is wicked open at idle. a good tip is before you start swapping ecu, or tunning, run it stock
with a way to monitor engine temp, I used a heat strip on top of the left radiator on dirt bikes. get a fill where the temp will run on your test loop then start swapping ecu's or tunning it and you may see as you start turning up the fuel mix the engine temp should go down and when you get to the point its stumbling or fills like you are dragging the rear break its Too Rich. make note of the temp. it should be way down if you don't have a thermostat. A thermostat will mess this whole method up. and back to carb 2 strokes when changes main jets you will see a big swing in temp by swapping the main from say a 165 to a 175. let the temp get too low because of a rich mixture and it will foul a plug or just run really crappy, too lean and the motor will start to get hot and do all sorts of weird things. if you are having flameouts chances are the motor is too lean at idle to about a quarter throttle. thanks for the comparison of the ecu's.
You're welcome Randy
i haven't even picked up the bike yet, but i would choose the get because the general area i'll be in is utah nevada and arizona. sometimes would need power to get around, but also need to change up things for some of these rock hill climbs and of course for the longer road trips.
Sound reasoning Cyber
So do I Have to change the exhaust to make any one of these ecu to work properly?
I ask that because I appreciate the quite stock exhaust, and not looking for the ultimate HP. Riding dualsport and trails with my bike.
Thanks John for your time, and I appreciate your knowledge.
You do not. The Vortex has a stock map setting as does the AiM I believe. I liked how quiet the stock exhaust is too, I do not miss the weight if the thing, however.
Thank you
You're welcome
I am not interested in changing anything but the twitchy throttle and flameout. What would you recommend? Great video and thanks for sharing.
Throttle Tamer throttle tube.
Great video John, best comparison I have seen yet. I run the AIM ECU and did the upgrade back in July 2022. Maybe I missed it, but what was your opinion on the AIM TC? I've tried it but honestly didn't notice much difference, and the one-pager instruction sheet didn't say anything about it. I'm also just puzzled because there are no wheel speed sensors, so I'm unsure about how the TC would really function. What are your thoughts? Thanks!
The TC was OK. I tend to turn them off. The wheels speed sensor is on the front wheel. Or did you mean something else? Your CRF is looking pretty clean Pat!
@@JohnTYoung thanks John. On my other bikes the TC compares the sensor speeds between the front and rear wheels, but on the 450 there isn't a sensor on the back. I guess maybe our simple TC is comparing front wheel sensor speed to engine/gear speed? I like the TC on my GS, but on the CRF I just leave it turned off.
Taco Mike sent me here in a roundabout way. It's all good.
Welcome!
Do you think GET will come out with an update to adjust idle? Forgot to mention the barometric pressure sensor in green, that’s one of the main reasons I’d get the GET, that and the app and bar controls. Love your videos! Great beard btw
It's all about the beard Alex. LOL. I think retailer may come out with updates... don't know about the manufacturer.
It was explained to me that the barometric pressure sensor is already on the bike feeding info into the ECU. It is not on the ECU itself.
@@ericyoung1973 interesting! Good to know, thanks! :)
Ordered the yoshi and get!!
Hang on tight!
Thanks John, very good review and nice audio. You mentioned testing these ECU's with a normal/power map. I've been riding/learning with a Vortex in Enduro Map. Do you think the AiM ECU would be good upgrade to my Vortex for technical and really slow speed ridding or should I stay with Vortex in Enduro Map? Also curious if you like using the CRF clutch better with or w/o the 'Judder' spring, gonna try removing that as it never felt very precise to me.
I think the AIMs torque is great for slow as long as there's no flame out. The latest round of Taco Moto AiMs I think has fixed this. I've never run the clutch without the spring, so I couldn't say.
Great content as always John. If your bike runs fine with the Vortex and the stock ECU but has problems with the Get and AiM, I would be inclined to say that there's a problem with the ECUs and not your bike. You mention that you use the "same" maps on each ECU to compare apples to apples. I have a 22 CRF450RL with a Vortex ECU and full Graves Ti system. After many hours of trying different settings I found switch position 4 (power Map 2 -Best power on dyno STD engine + Yosh system +2.5% richer) to be the best with initial trim setting at 5, 5, 5. HOWEVER, the bike was running way too rich. Today I set the trims to 3,4,4 and it transformed the bike. Way more power than before, silky smooth, zero herky jerky throttle and about 47 MPG. I encourage you to try this setting on your bike. I could not believe the improvement over the original 5,5,5 setting.
I’ll give it a shot!
Not related to ECU as I have a Vortex. What header and pipe did you settle on? I have the Vortex and full Yoshi system, not pleased it’s the sound (too loud) for my taste. The engine sound on the ECU video is quieter than the Yoshi. Thanks
I am running the graves now but if someone gave me an FMF to try I would for sure do it. And yes, the Yosh is VERY loud.
What software do you use to edit your videos. Your videos are amazing! Thanks John.
Thanks Ken. I use Adobe Premiere.
You werent running the torque map on the vortex, on this 3 box comparison were you?
Shoulda been on map1
Is there a reasonable source to program the GET ECU? I can obtain the unit for a fairly reasonable price, but the markup most retail outlets are putting on this for programming is a bit insane. Typical price I have seen for the unit is $780-$850 with wifi and map switch for the RX1PRO. You can order direct from Italy for $825.
That’s a question for the manufacturer. Their software is EXPENSIVE.
When I installed my vortex my fans never turned on
The vortex has the fans come on at a much higher temp. 210 if I recall right. Spooky.
i'm getting into dual sport. question is what is the pitfalls of the ecu and aftermarket exhaust with street use? riding mostly NM and CO so no smog checks. but are you harrassed or have to switch back to stock for inspections?
Nope, not where I live.
I don't know any other way of contacting you so I would like to ask your opinion here. I have been riding the street and dirt out here in Oregon for the last 40 years. Your videos have inspired my brother and I to try adventure riding. We can not imagine riding a bike that weighs over 400lbs in the dirt. I ride a KTM 300 xc-w now. I have a chance to buy a new Honda CRF450RL or a 500 KTM EXC for the same price, both 2023 models. What would you do? I see that you ride a 300 too. Great bike. Is there any way to contact you by email?
Hi Ken. My email is john.grumpy.young@gmail.com. But I don’t know what I could tell you in an email that I haven’t said over and over again in these videos. Buy the Honda. Be happy.
Hi Ken. I'm in central OR. and have 2023 450RL on reserve, hopefully by April. Maybe see you in the OregonBDR on your new bike!
The Honda revs super sluggerish with all the ecu's imo, I didnt know they rev'd up so slow compared to the ktms.
But I appreciate all your reviews of out of the box ecu's with out any specific tuning for your config.
I run a vortex, but its a tuned vortex, Aim and Get , can they achieve perfection, maybe dont know.
I think the L,RL, and X all have a little extra mass compared to the R and the KTM 500.
what you are trying to do with the Throttle blip stall, I test this, by just turning the throttle by like .5mm to see if there is a stumble lean area in the early throttle. If it exists, its normally in that .5mm to 1 mm throttle pull area, so all you have to do is, take 2 fingers and just barely turn the throttle into this area, RPMS should only raise, if they dont raise rpm, stay the same or stumble, then its going to be a pop stall area. Ive had this with stock ecu's, that even have fuel tuners on them and Tps tune combos, simply cant be 100% fixed.
However I found the Vortex 100% Fixes this issue, in my case. I run the test like mentioned above , and the rpms only gain, had a vortex for 2 years and its never pop stalled.
I also run a 10% faster throttle with a vortex , extremely smooth in early throttle.
@@brianricoh3242 Same thing... looking for that stumble or even an outright stall. Under load it will stall the bike fairly easily - hence the bounce off a log test.
John or any other followers, I am a big fan. I have enjoyed your videos and advice and have modified my 2022 CRF450RL with many of your modification . I installed the GET ecu and Yoshi exhaust and have a lot of deceleration popping (back fire). Mike at Tocomoto gave some mapping advice, but still the same. I am running 91octange, recalibrated the throttle, and adjusted the FI, up and down. Any suggestions?
Check your header bolts and pipe joints and make air isnt getting into the system.
Awesome Vid
Ordered the GET from TacoMoto.
Nice!
What does your butt dyno say the difference is power wise? If you had a Vortex already and are happy with the power, would you bother switching?
It's enough extra over the Vortex that I am definitely switching.
you need to find Get ecu tuner who can fix it, its low speed performance not acceptible to me . I dont buy the Get processor speed is producing all your extra power (that just runs all those add ons, wifi , traction knobs, its just the map set up, which seems it has flaws in the early throttle, yet great elsewhere.
The tune on your Vortex box is suspect imo
Im just wondering, other bikes who tested both the vortex and the Get at the same time, who say the Vortex was crazy fast and the Taco map less so. Even taco mentioned that on his 2020 500 video. Vortex power 1 too crazy for stock suspension, Get more relaxed.
seems alot of craziness, and 100% its all about the map set up.
Pick one and Get it Really tuned right.
I agree with you but not everyone is willing or able to have their ECU custom tuned. And in reality, they shouldn't have to, it should just work. Which is why I mention how the boxes did not work on my bike. I can not speak to others' experiences with each ECU, only my own. Thanks for joining the conversation! You've really given everyone something to think about.
Notice you have on the Gearne boots , nice review
Thanks
I like these puppies!
I got the Vortex and am debating going back to stock.. I miss the fuel range!
That may be a first!
@@JohnTYoung haha probably it just caused a big drop in fuel mileage. Maybe an excuse to just get the tank you have lol 😂
@@tennyis28 I'm getting about 42MPG loaded down with gear and my fat butt with the vortex. But big ole tanks are pretty sexy.
@@JohnTYoung Hey John talking about fuel range did you try the Nomad 15 liter gas tank yet? Thoughts? Thanks.
@@manchesterroofingsystems8016 I have the 3.5 from Nomad tanks, but I have not installed it yet. I'll get around to it, but just because I have a 5-gallon tank does not mean I have to fill it to 5 gallons every time.
Great video! I purchased the GET, and was going to keep the bike stock, minus a graves block of plate for the AIS. Do you still think the GET is the winner?
GET for the Oomph!
My bike ran rough with the GET as well. The vortex seems to be doing just fine. Since you are going to be using the GET what are your plans to get it to run correctly?
I'm going to take it to a pro and let him/her tell me what's wrong with it. The GET you tried, was is a new new one?
@@JohnTYoung I thought about doing the same but I didn’t want to start swapping parts on a brand new bike. My GET was a fresh new one from Taco.
@@myleshebert2885 Sounds like certain Hondas have something against the GET.
Does the vortex have more up top than the AIM but less than the GET? Could you give a little more feedback from the butt dyno how each one feels?
So so sorry. The Vortex has the least all round. AIM second. GET the most from bottom to top.
@@JohnTYoung awesome. Thanks!
John is replacing the exhaust mandatory with the vortex, or just highly recommended?
Highly recommended.
@@JohnTYoung which exhaust in your opinion is a good match with the vortex?
@@jeffmunro7638 The one you can afford and is your favorite. There's not enough difference to matter. Graves Light but expensive. Yoshimura Heavey but cheap. FMF in the middle.
@@JohnTYoung thanks. I paid $12,998 out the door for my new 21 last year…..up North in Canada, nothing is cheap lol. Much appreciated John.
As a man with a new 23 crf450rl and a master's in baiting i can attest that i cant decide on what ecu to buy.... My fisrt frozen 100 mile ride wasn't bad. It Didn't flame and the throttle response wasnt bad..... This was mostly asphalt canyon miles......
GET SX-1.
Hi John, in the vid you said you were wondering how the GET would handle once you were all loaded up on a camping ADV trip. Have you tried it and how’d it go?
I have not yet.
I'm wondering if your swapped stator and extra electronics have anything to do with the GET not running the best. Could also be that your bike has all the smog equipment removed. Other videos I've watched like @BornAGoon don't seem to be having that issues, but he's in a warmer climate and lower elevation.
Could be, but the Vortex runs perfectly and has for 20,000 miles.
i have a fekon falcon 400cc 2023.. i got a dead throttle just after idel. can you help on a ecu for me..its a street bike..thanks
I have no idea what a Fekon Falcon is…
@@JohnTYoung made by FKN China made
Which one would you recommend for a supermoto build (faster street riding + wheelies)? I was thinking about the AIM, but you said it's good at lower speeds, but it's supposed to be smooth on the throttle, which would be good for wheelie control.
The GET is better in the higher RPMs tho.
i have FMF complete exhaust,did fix the jerky throttle response with the vortex ECU and which map i need
I like the FMF too
Hi John Can you tell me whether your fuel usage and fuel range feature still displays on your dashboard when using the Athena GET ECU? Mine does not seem to work?
Hmmm. I'll have to check.
Do we need it to 2021 crf450x ?
Need? Only if any of the benefits of swapping ECUs apply to how you want your bike to ride, including extra HP.
Sorry if I missed this in your video, but I wanted to pick your brain a little. I have a 2023 CRF450RL. I want to keep a stock exhaust probably forever. I'm really a stock guy at heart. But I want to eliminate the twitchy throttle mostly. I am comfy with the power. Are there any of these you wouldn't get if you were going to keep everything else stock?
They all have stock settings but if you're never going to mess with it then the Vortex is easy. Unless you want better traction control... oh here we go again
@@JohnTYoung thanks John! I got a G2 throttle tamer on it this week, and frankly I'm more than happy at this point. I can probably live with it as is. Even my brother noticed an extreme change in the throttle response. I guess the ECU at this point will still open the bike up a little more so I'm still considering, but I'm thrilled at the moment.
How does the GET win when it doesn’t do THE number 1 thing people are looking for it to do on a 450L, tame the throttle?
Did it win?
👍👍
Thanks John!
How mind blowing it is that the manufacturers like Honda, KTM, Husqvarna can't figure out how to correctly map bikes like the CRF450RL/L , 350 EXC-F, etc.. I am suspicious that Vortex and other ECU manufacturers are in bed with moto brands to make extra dinero off of consumers that don't want flame outs, jerky throttle response, etc..
Has more to do with Euro and EPA regs than anything else.
Are you getting your hands on the new upgraded GET????
I've have it already and am putting thru its paces. So far so good!
Your bike may be stalling because you might have a crack in your vacuum lines with your closed loop fuel container system. Use some diesel quick start but just very little of it around suspected hoses to see if the RPMs rise as long as you don't put those that fuel around your intake
It's acted this way from new, but I'll take a look. Thank you.
John:
Do you happen to know if the Athena GET is compatible with the 12oclock Advanced Mini Gauge? I emailed 12oclock and have not heard back.
I do not know for 100% certain, but my Vortex worked fine with it.
@@JohnTYoung 12 o'clock got back to me. They said the AMG works with the GET. I received the ECU yesterday and will try to get to the installation soon. There are a few install videos out there, but none specific to the Honda CRF450L... I hope the plug-n-play everyone talks about is true because I don't understand electronics when something goes wrong. Question: Despite your conclusion that the GET was the "winner", did you in the end stick with the Vortex on your bike?
@@bva8252 I still have all 3, but will probably go with the AIM next summer as soon as I iron some things out with Taco Moto
Does your bike have a rekluse clutch on it?
It does.
@@JohnTYoung I thought that would mitigate the flameout problem, but I guess it doesn't really have an effect on that. I really want that 450, but my 300L runs so buttery smooth that I'm afraid to upgrade. With the slipper clutch and that engine it's like riding a toy. It's just not great on the steep mountain grades I have around here.
@@Alaska_MD I like buttery smooth...
Might be a dumb question, but will all of these also work on a 250r?
Whole different motor
How do you set the TPS? Did you use the UC Bridge?
Each has it's own method so....
hi, please what does « DRI » motor and pipe mean? (For the vortex)
Errr, I'm not sure.
Any issues or reason for Fans not turning on 2021 crf450rl after vortex ecu and full yoshimura? Is the bike just simply not getting as hot like the lean factory setup?
It does not get as hot and also the temp at which the fan turns on is higher with the Vortex.
@@JohnTYoung thank you, I was worried something was wrong. I absolutely love the new setup full yoshimura and vortex.
Did I miss the discussion about the traction control on the AIM?
Nope. Didn’t miss. I screwed up. I think I need to make another better video.
@@JohnTYoung Haha. Quick summary?
@@brandonreed70 it’s on par with maybe 4 on the GET.
But if you put a aftermarcket ecu does it void the waranty or not?
Of course it does.
@@JohnTYoung that what i though thank you
Is there a way to set the tps on the get ecu if you don't buy the wifi dongle?
Not that I know of Tim. Taco Moto would know better. I rode my bike without resetting the TPS for two years before I bothered with it and there was no difference in how it rode afterward. I think it's like the difference between riding with 20psi in your tires or 19.5psi.
@@JohnTYoung thank you sir. I just ordered a get unit and I am pretty dang excited!
Why not use an the crf450X ecu?
I'm not sure how many videos there are out there about the whys to upgrade your ECU but here's the shortlist; more HP, more torque, less twitchy throttle, runs richer with an aftermarket exhaust, runs richer with the airbox cover removed, runs richer with an aftermarket air filter, can have traction control, can be programmed to your style of riding, the colors look better when your seat is off, etc...
I have serious issues with people using the blip test...go ride it at 1800 and hit the throttle that hard and fast no clutch....
I have serious issues
Where one would even begin to troubleshoot such issue, regarding the engine not performing well at high temps? Frikking gremlins 😵
That’s what I’m struggling with. TPS and injectors seem fine. Maybe I’ll find a donor bike and swap parts out but by bit.
@@JohnTYoung Sounds like work! :C
When you said that the AIM is softer in the mid range, compared to what? Softer than stock? Softer than the GET? Just something that you noticed, but really not material or whoa, it's really flat on the upper end?
Man I am bad at reviewing things. Softer than the GET. Equal or a tiny bit better than the Vortex.
@@JohnTYoung Thx John... Wringing hands over the Taco moto sale on the AIM and want to make the right decision. Most of my riding is off-road from 5-40mph and it looks like the AIM is powerful and smooth in this range. I do ride roads up to about 70mph, but I don't really haul anything but me and gear for the day. Sounds like team pink is best suited. One last question (thx for such a fast reply on a holiday weekend!) how's the engine braking on the AIM vs stock? I ride a lot of sand and the stock engine braking is more than I'd like.
@@chnl2commentisdumb Oh, I hadn't really noticed any difference, but I wasn't looking for one. Great question tho!
Vortex all the way, sorry but my friend has the GET in his 22 CRF450RL, mine is a 21 and my bike is smooth as hell with a nice hit mid to top speed, he's been tinkering with his GET to have it as close to mine as possible. We have the same pipe and other mods as we did them together, the only difference is the ECU, i'm a A rider with my AMA license, I ride both bike's side x side a lot because he wants his bike set up like mine. No issues with the Vortex whatso ever, braaaaap
Nice. I like my Vortex too, but the HP difference between the Tokyo Mods Vortex and the Taco Moto GET are night and day.
@John T. Young I didn't get that between both bikes side x side, not too mention both were on the dyno, the only difference was the curve of the power, HP gains were the same
@superman what pipe are you running with the vortex?
@@curtwilliams6655 Yoshimura
I don’t understand how there can be such a difference between the AIM and GET. If they both contain maps from the same tuner, where does the difference come from?
Mike claims it's a processor difference. I myself don't know.
As an engineer as soon as you said, "there's something about my bike..." Our review of those ECUS WAS WORTHLESS.
LOL. You must be a pretty new engineer.