First Time Watching BTS HARDSHIPS 2013-2021 (xCeleste)
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The thing about BTS not appearing on the SBS Inkigayo (36:11) is that it was not circumstantial, it was a malicious ploy. KBS, SBS, MBC, aka the big 3 broadcasting stations, have deep connections with the Big 3 Kpop companies. Together you can say that they are “the institution” that Kpop idols must go through in order to succeed. They hate the fact that BTS and Big Hit never shook hands with them to bring themselves success, and they hate the fact that BTS sweeps the chart whenever a new song/album comes out without ever having to bow down to them. After their boom in success in 2016, you could tell that every time they announce a comeback date, other groups start to change their comeback dates so they wouldn’t have to compete a losing battle with BTS on the charts. The Big 3 wouldn’t do this, obviously, because of their giant ego as the Big 3. So what did they do in that SBS Inkigayo incident? They colluded with SBS to exclude BTS from the weekly chart do that their group could grab the first prize
It even hits harder when you know it was his grandma that basically raised V.
@Nd_army_jkook yeah, at least it still talked about it. Right?
It's a good video anyway.
She was his second mom !
@@Taeloml7 fr😭
Tae loved his grandmother immensely, and losing her was an incredibly traumatic time for him. It’s heartbreaking to think that people would stoop so low.
and that caused v"s personality from playful to calm and serious
If you're wondering about the allegedly misogynistic lyrics it's mainly about the song War Of Hormone which is very clearly an ironic look into the mind of a hormonal teenage boy. It's a total banger and as a woman I honestly don't have any problems with the lyrics whatsoever. To me it's a clear case of haters' gonna hate. 🤷♀️
Also, regarding the time after 2021 there have indeed been several incidents. I highly recommend Boracity Magazine's videos on BTS vs different entities in the music industry, like BTS vs Spotify and BTS vs radio. Very telling of the industry.
As a 50 year old senior army I completely agree. I don’t see anything wrong with the song.
I agree, I didn't see anything wrong with the song.
Not gonna lie, I love this song and it brings attention to the thoughts that go through teenage boys' minds.
Not to mention UA-cam deleting views 👀👀
I agree, the whole meaning and intentions behind the song are literally in the title "war of hormones" and the lyrics for well withing that theme.. far from mysoginy, I think it was quite relatable for many teens, and it should not have had the amount of backlash that it did
THE WAY TYLER PAUSES WHEN WATCHING IS SO 😭 NOT MANY UA-camRS DO THAT
You might feel like it was a fair question to ask them about plagiarism by that reporter as he wasn't attacking them.. But I think it was inappropriate to ask them in that interview as it was scheduled for a different album release.. The interview was about Map of the soul album release and he was asking them about the wings album which is off topic..That reporter was just trying to stir some trouble..
PS: just wanted to say that you have a very pretty smile 💜
From your first video on BTS until now, I'm actually really proud that you came this far, to understand who BTS are and it's really cute that you get overprotective just like us now. I'm glad you can see how much they went through to get where they are and that they are not manufactured. I think if you watch Rise of Bangtan it would answer a lot of those questions and concern over how BTS were formed and how the kpop industry is viewed. Tyler, you nice keep going!
These people didn't like the fact that a group from a small company could outsell their own favourite artists/groups....and through it all the seven members have remained humble and polite..... You will NEVER hear a bad word against any other group or artist come out of any of the BTS members mouths... for any reason... they are supportive of each other and of other artists. All they have ever done is work hard...a lot of times for no reward... Thank you Tyler for reacting to Rosann's (xCeleste) video and shining a light on the fact that nothing BTS have achieved came easy...
12 million views after the grammys were live
Now there is probably 500 million views
So it’s obvious that BTS literally beat the Scammys🙂
Finish this for me KARMA IS AN ………..
@@mamejoe2043 ARMY
@@chimchim1384 💜💜💜 borahae
@@mamejoe2043 💜💜💜
The problem with the one kid... "I just think an American or UK boy band should be on top." Paraphrasing -ish.. But yeah. His comment, kind of xenophobic. "dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
Some English-speaking people, especially Americans, feel entitled to everything in English so they do not need to learn other languages. As an American, I hear this attitude almost daily.
Right? They’re basically saying that only white people deserve the spotlight and that BTS should just stay in their own country or “bubble” as they called it, it’s just wrong.
I remember a conversarion where they were all told to go home becase the agency was on the verge of bankruptcy and they could not even afford the tiny place where all 7 members were sleeping in one small bedroom. The members refused to go because they could not afford to and at the last minute Bang S.H. scrounged up some last minute funding....thats how close it was. Their filmed staycations were cheaper than a promotions budget. So many yhings now considered industry standard they innovated to overcome the way they were being sidelined and the fact there was hardly any budget. All the hate is still ongoing. Now they are trying to say RM is anti God???? This is snap shots of an endless barrage of attacks. The industry hates BTS because their success does not funnel money into the system. That only happened because the industry excluded them so they made their own way independently.
With all do respect, I'd like to give my 2cents on 2 of your comments in the vid:
1. The reporter who asked about plagiarism, yes you're right the reporter job is to ask questions...but BTS was held the press conference for promotion of their album, so it is logically more make sense to ask questions related to that, besides...the fact xceleste brought up in the vid next was how then the reporter was in related to the another label company. Those 2 facts were tied together as part of the story xceleste brought up about those moves that had beed done to directly brought down BTS in the past.
2. The German interview which a band's member said that BTS & the European etc should be divide on different part cause he didn't even understand their language. Well even tho I get your point about 'it is understandable to not like something bc of not understanding', but to divide BTS music bc they sang in different language, that's totally unacceptable. Why? Bc the world (ARMYs around the world) already proof it that their music BEYOND language barrier, that their messages through their music were well delivered towards the fans hearts. So, to dictate the world's music taste according language to me is just simply ignorant. BTS musics are accepted & loved beyond that.
I hope these two opinions from me give you a glimpse of what xceleste tried to show on her vid.
Okay, that's just what I want to add over your reaction vid. Overall I'm glad that you start to open up towards BTS. Borahae💜
The plagiarism issue was way back in 2016 for the Wings album that was raised in 2019 while they were promoting another album. The plagiarism issue was long done. The reporter was from another label.
this channel makes me so happy 😭
Just because You are famous and rich... It's doesn't mean that your life is easy.
Very often it's quite opposite 😔
Armmmmmy !!!!!we love BTS!! let’s protect them and love them as much as we can because they have helped us a lot and I hate when people do and say stuff like this and about the girl she’s probably jealous that jimin makeup is better than her!! And again let’s love BTS because life has been really hard with them!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤I purple BTS!!!!😊😊😊❤❤
33:55 that reporter was sent by yg entertainment , so that's count as an attack
People believe in false news on social media and look at BTS with prejudice and say "I hate them" before even knowing them, and this pisses me off so much.
You are honest and have an egalitarian point of view. And you are charming with a sense of humor. Thank you.
Not a lot of people would do something like the white paper project, yeah. But we were desperate. If anyone knew how it was back then you’d be surprised.
I really love watching your videos .. keep going 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Thank you for reaching to this!
Thank you so much for your reaction 🫶🏻♥️
Sending nuff love as an 'Army Mom' on our tiny Island in the Caribbean. If you ever want to come here. Stay free at our Guest House. We got you 💜💜
If it was not given to you : xenophobia = dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries
Or more often called the fear of the foreigner
So fun watching your reaction to this video. All your emotions are valid hahahah! And we feel you, hahaha! Think what kind of pain we having during those times, especially we are their fans.
More BTS reaction videos please 🫰🏻
51:52 I always apologize (as a German ) for this. Honestly I don‘t think this guy was fired. There are still so many Germans that think those racist comments are Funny and ok to say in public. I remember really ugly discussions on Social media due to this radio Show, and it was so unpleasant and just impossible to make people stop beeing ignorant and hateful.
We have a problem in Germany with structural and institutional racism, and although I really hope that I can See bts one day at a concert in Germany, i‘d understand if they decide to not come. They deserve better.
50:00 The live stream after the Grammies is through an app called VLive. The number of viewers are attached to member accounts who are watching live broadcasts. If viewers log out, that number would go down. If they log back in, the number would go up. They don’t duplicate views because it is LIVE. So the screenshot taken show how many armys were tuned in at that time.
If some armys log out, those numbers would not counted, so I don’t know how they could be duplicated. Now once the live is OVER, then yes. Those numbers could be inflated for viewers who have come to watch the uploaded video (but it is not LIVE).
i recommend you watch the bts storyline summaries too since i heard u like conceptual albums!!!
17:31 no it's a huge thing in Korean culture to share food. Also at restaurants for example you usually order in multiple dishes that you share, not like in the US one each but multiple to share. And JK was so young and obviously nervous so it really pisses me off how they treated him. Even if they didn't feel it was appetizing and didn't wanna eat it they should have thanked him for the thought and just said no thank you.
The bad that made those comments was being openly xenophobic actually (prejudiced against people of different countries). Also xCeleste didn't go that much into detail of each thing and if you look more into the things that you thought were ok you'll see just how unfair and problematic these things were e.g. the reporter basically tried to slander BTS multiple times it wasn't innocent questions etc.
I cried when i watched the way host treat jungkook on that show it's so heartbreaking he was so young and alone on that show , and it's still painful for me to watched that particular video.
I thought am the only one I still can’t watch that video it so painful to watch
The dates were the same release dates so why where BTS not recorded because they didn't apply their own rules correctly.
About the views
Those 13m views are real time live views counted before the live ended 😊
So its fair to compare
43:40 what they're talking abt is that atp bts is as popular as yuna kim (olympic figure skater whos super adored in sk, easily one of the most well-loved and popular koreans domestically), and yet they dont receive nearly as much coverage as she does
Inhala odio exala amor 💜💜💜💜 gracias por tu reacción 💜
i knew the hate title was so we would watch lol. it got me. hate is a pretty strong word tho
First time I saw that video I went crazy I was pissed off because of the haters but now I'm happy for the guys there made it to the whole world
turning down food in Korea is not a thing. Jungkook brought them burgers and wanted to be nice but they made fun of the food and made very rude comments. Jungkook was younger then and he looked very upset.
If you want a funny video about BTS prooving haters wrong watch Karma is an Army part 1-7 by Shookga
Now you have to watch the speeches of BTS at the UN
They bleep out names to not create hate against said artists, fanbases and companies. As they said in the beginning this is about pointing out BTS hardships and not to spread hate against other artists, fanbases or companies. But you can easily google everything if you want names.
The 3 biggest kpop companies have power over the media they dictate what goes into media reports. Big Hit had the money now but not the prestiage as an older established kpop company. The Big 3 didn't want people knowing how well a group from a newer company was doing in the usa because their attempts to get their groups into the USA were failing. it's all about media hype. They dismiss what BTS has done yet at the same time they want what BTS has achieved.
Yeah I was here for that Grammy's ceremony and literally live tweeted my frustration. You can see me beginning to get irritated about them saying "BTS up next" "BTS performing soon" etc for about 30 minutes before they actually performed. And that was only when I actually started tweeting about how annoying it was, so you can only imagine how long they were doing that.
The problem with the comment Liam (from Forever in Your Mind band) made (about how BTS should be in their own category, and how an American/European group should be at the top) is that it invalidates all of BTSs achievements in the Western part of this world. It's basically saying that BTS shouldn't be winning Western music awards, simply because they speak a different language (which has been given as one of the "reasons" they haven't won a grammy (before they made their english songs)) and come from an Eastern country. This is a clear statement of segregation and, I feel personally, jealousy, as this band wasn't good enough on their own, and this member blames bands from other cultures like BTS. I'm sorry, but that's the same argument racist or xenophobic (prejudice against people from other countries) people make when saying their "jobs are being stolen" or their "women are being stolen" and shouldn't be listened to by any self-respecting member of society.
Also, about Pollard's response to the twitter post, the problem is that he's saying that it shouldn't matter what she said on twitter, as it's not real life. However, what then about flaming someone on twitter, running a smear campaign, or even cyber bullying? That's also not "real life". Basically, you can't excuse rude and xenophobic comments on twitter by simply stating "it's twitter. It's not real." As that's taking away the responsibility the person posting it should have to consider regarding the impact of their statement.
I LOVE ARMY SO MUCH BRO
Please listen to BTS 'Louder than Bombs'. I can feel their pain through that song. 🥺
O problema do cara la da banda Forever in your mind, não foi ele dizer que nao podia apoiar o Bts, (ninguem esta interessado no que ele gosta ou não) o que ele disse antes que foi ruim, (e o que eles dizem depois é pior ainda) dizendo que o Bts tem ficar num canto separado e quem deve estar no topo é uma boy band americana, ele esta sendo simplesmente xenófobo. Porque o que vem de fora tem q ficar separado? Acho doeu muito nele que um grupo coreano estava fazendo mais sucesso que a bandinha dele que canta em inglês 🤣🤣🤣
Bts strong
you don't need captions for these type videos...They are made for us
No hate but I think you missed some of the racism and xenophobia covered in the video
Can you react to "This Is BTS ARMY" 🙏🏻
I really don't understand the logic behind the "racist" ones. What makes a person think they are superior to others?
Please react on bts funny video
Our Jiminie is prettier than that chick. How dare she touch him. 😤
yk rookie groups that don't get a lot of tv time is pretty common in k-pop, don't think that bts are the only ones who have gone throught this. There are some that even after years in the industry (and releasing good music) still get shitty treatment because of lack of popularity. That's actually the most common thing ever. BTS are VERY lucky to be where they are today, yes a lot of effort was necessary, but it's silly to believe that you can achieve your dreams with only hard work. Anyway, I think is nice for you to know about the reality in the k-pop industry, after all it is the industry bts is part of, a lot of stuff in these type of videos are over dramatic, as in "look at these poor little boys, they definitely are the only ones who went throught hardships :(".
xen·o·pho·bi·a
/ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēə/
noun
dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
"the resurgence of racism and xenophobia"
When you made the comment of the amount of views they got after the Grammys take into consideration the following: there are 70M plus ARMY’s Registered and paid membership, some of their regular VLIVE streams reach up to 10M viewers at the same time with one single member doing the live. Believe me the media POWER this guys have is ridiculous.
Exactly! A perfect example is that there were 15M watching a candle flicker while JK snored recently when he fell asleep on a live.
Eta because I can’t spell.
Also, the problem with the guy from Forever in Your Mind, is the fact that he said "there still needs to be a British or American boyband on top". Why? Why can't a South Korean boyband be the most popular boyband? This line of questioning leads me, and most other armys, to believe that the reason he wants them separated is not because he respects them and thinks of them as boundary breaking, outside of a typical boyband, but because he views them as fundamentally different from English speaking (and mostly white) bands.
THANK YOU!! This is what I was searching for in the comment section, like the way he said "there NEEDS to be..." Is just..wtf
Well said!
Exactly! He doesn't want them separate because he respects them, he wants them separate because of jealousy and disdain because he knows his group has no chance to compete against them. The comment about needing an American or British boyband at the top is downright xenophobic. And let's not forget the "I don't understand what they say" like it's a valid argument to dislike them which is borderline xenophobic. His band members were quick to dissociate themselves from his stance, which shows that they felt it was wrong as well
off topic but tylers smile and genuine reactions are so adorable
rightt
I thought it was js me lol. He has a really pretty smile
agree
Yahh he is so adorable!!!
I think the point about the journalist asking about plagiarism is that it was during a press conference for their new album and he was bringing up old news about a past album. In addition, he seems to have been working for another entertainment company (aka one of the other companies who also have kpop groups and wanted to see BTS fail) and was likely only asking the question to try and detract from BTS' success by sowing contention. In addition, the claims were proven to be groundless.
I second this
Ofc they write and produce their own music , bts are not just musicians but artists who have healed millions of people around the world
Some of the issues raised might seem insignificant to western eyes but in Asian context were very rude and not correct journalist behaviour. Also the matter 're V And his Grandmas death is even worse than it seems. He was speaking on the 49th day after she died. In Korean tradition this is a crucial date when the soul can go on and be reborn. There are family special ceremonies to mark the occasion and V could not attend. The people who raised the hate would have known this very well. The malice was mind bending. Also because the family were hard up V's parents both worked away, and V was raised by his Granny and very close to her. It was heart breaking.
He didnt even wanted to share it about his grandmother though, he was struggling nd armys felt tht nd thts why he decided to tell bout it to everyone. V is very genuine guy but they made him dirty.
54:44 - the issue was that the band in question felt an American or European (read: *white* ) boy group needs to be on top. That BTS need to sit on the sidelines because they're "big enough on their own" so they shouldn't try to 'compete' with the 'white' acts and should exist in their own little Korean bubble. They tried to phrase it in a way that was a backhanded compliment by saying they're 'big enough' but basically told them 'Korean' and 'white' acts should be segregated, that a Korean group shouldn't be at the top of American or European charts
Exactly!!
The point of the reporter asking was to stir up trouble. The article mentioned was for another entertainment company so the thought is he was a plant reporter from the other company.
54:35 There's a lot more to that clip, but the boys go on saying a lot of racist and xenophobic (which is irrational hatred or disgust towards something different than yourself. In their case: not white, not American) remarks about how BTS didn't deserve to be where they are because they are Korean and how fans "don't understand since they don't speak "American"".
57:48 prejudiced? Hehehe she was racist (perpetuating the stereotype saying that asian men are "feminine" plus erasing their identity as POC by saying that their looks made them look white) and queerphobic in general.
Hi Tyler, just to clarify the streaming numbers for you regarding the Grammy's and BTS live stream. That number for the live stream was for actual viewers for the live stream once it is over the views for it do not count as the live stream is over. Hope this clears it up for you. Also the journalist who was asking the plagiarism claim worked for one of the big entertainment agency which is now in deep trouble over money laundering, embezzlement and many other things which is kind of funny after how they tried to break BTS and Big Hig Entertainment.
I second this
I a second this this what we call KARMA IS AN ARMY 💜💜💜💜💜💜😂😂😂😂😂
I also recommend you to watch the bts storyline summary 2020.
It's a fictional story that runs behind their albums , it shows the journey of loving and accepting oneself.
u need to react to karma is an army series, it just satisfy me watching the hater just can't accept that bts are more successful than their favs🌚 (at some occasions ofcourse)
(no hate on the artist ofcourse but yeah some 'fans' really just hating everything that aren't their favs and some 'army' also can be toxic, especially the solo stan 🗿)
@@kyla_whomp ofc the solo fans are sometimes toxic but its mostly other fans hating on BTS.
@@BA4E7jVjRjYj true bro like dayumm the haters really do wasting their time on our boys more than ourselves lmaoooo
@@kyla_whomp lmao frr
Grammys always had the tenancy to just use bts for views, but in 2023 when bts didn't attend, nobody even knew on which day graamy was happening, but fun fact- grammy had a total 12million live viewers meanwhile my boy jk went on a not so announced unexpected live in the middle of the night N had 16.2 million live viewers
Excuse my English, its not my 1st language.
To give you an idea of the amount of views BTS receives, just last month for the first time a BTS member did an Instagram live. For context, he left a live on Weverse to use the buddy feature on Instagram because he wanted to include another BTS member in the live and cannot currently do that on Weverse.
So he went to Instagram, but it was his first time doing an Insta live and he had to stop his live to figure out how to add the other member. So he started another Insta live and the 2 members did a live for about 10 mins until they decided they didn’t like the Insta live format.
Now Insta is notorious for not sending us notifications when BTS members do anything on there, so the only ones who watched the Instagram live were people who had been watching the Weverse live AND were reading translations on Twitter at the same time.
Bc of course he was speaking in Korean and captions are not added until several days later.
Also, Instagram was majorly glitching & couldn’t handle the traffic, so many of us couldn’t get on the Insta live. When he cut the live short the viewer count was still skyrocketing. So after all that, for a short 10 min Instagram live, it was later reported that it was the 3rd or 4th most watched Instagram live of all time.
Also, I have been enjoying your reactions!
54:00 what's wrong is they said bts need to be in their own category, because there should always be a
# 1 American or European boy band at the Top.
(and he can't get behind them, just because he doesn't understand what they're saying... as in because they speak another language than him)
...this is basic xenophobia
5:02 There are so many perception people have about Kpop idols and one of them is Kpop idols can't write their own songs and be successful. And BTS manage to prove those haters wrong. BTS really does write lyrics and compose their own songs and become successful in their own way.
15:34 21st Century is not mysoginistic at all. I've seen so many Kpop songs that are same as BTS from Big Three companies (SM, YG, JYP) and they never get attacked by media and called it as mysoginistic. But since BTS come from small company, BTS get attacked a lot and most media are paid by the Big three to bring down artist from small company.
17:28 BTS often being ignored by show host and being look down by the crews member because they came from small company and not popular at that time. After getting so many bad treatement by the shows, they made their own show which is 'Run BTS' that have hundred episodes.
30:20 Japan colonized Korea and killed many Korean. And mad at BTS for celebrating their own Independence Day is beyond disgusting. Japan still can't admit their crime and don't want apologize of what they've done. Japan still expect Korean to bow down to them even after Korea get their own independence.
54:50 It's racism and xenophobia. 'Forever in your Mind' member basically saying that only Western artists deserve to be at the top and Asian artists should be at the bottom and need to be ostracized. It's okay if he said he don't like BTS music but he never said that. He only making stupid remarks during the interview. Such as 'I can't understand what are they saying'. So by what they mean, people in Asia also can't enjoy English songs since they can't understand English either. In other word, he hates Korean language and think English is the greatest language in the world.
Agreed. Racism at its best. I grew up in Canada being called names and spat on in the 60”s. Things got better and then Covid happened. But thankfully not everyone shares the same view. Thank goodness young generation is changing things for the better. 💜
Agreed 💯👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🇧🇷
Pausing at 5:52: in Korea, "idols" and "artists" ,don't hate me, those are in quotes because those words in Korea have had very distinct meanings, because prior to BTS they were very different things. Idols are kids who came up through the strict training system program. Idols typically don't pick their group names, concepts, they often don't even have a say in which songs will go on the album. You'll hear critics of idol music (idol music is what you think of when you hear kpop, but kpop is an industry and the style you associate with that term is really called idol music and members or so singers are called idols. ) And with regards to rap, traditionally rap & hip hop, all over the world it's understood that real rappers write their own bars. Most idols groups have mandatory training lengths and strict rules for living. BTS were recruited for a hip-hop group that wasn't even supposed to dance so the project changed. The only thing bang pd asked for was that the boys put their own hearts and thoughts into their music. Most companies don't give their idols that kind of freedom. Because Namjoon & Yoongi came from underground and had been creating their own music and raps since they were about 13, they were, at the time one of the only if not the only groups that did so. BTS paved the way for so many to be able to find their own time to write. A lot of idol groups lip sync on live stages too. BTS sounded so good live no one believed they didn't lip sync. That's why you'll sometimes see members, usually yoongi, pause mid bar and the start up again.
I hope that made sense, I'm sorry I'm tied and my kid kept interrupting to talk to me, so I forgot the rest of what I wanted to say. If you watch the docu-series the rise of bangtan you'll see the difference between big hit and other companies as well between different groups. You could also check out boracity "how BTS paved the way" video. And ofc, BTS tackle all the deep topics, and show us the bad/sad/fights with the bad, which isn't common outside of them (or at least it wasn't when BTS began)
💜 I'm gonna shut up now and enjoy the video. Thank you for your reaction. I purple you 💜 eta: as for cute & food, it's actually considered extremely rude to refuse food if offered it in Korea, at least in the area I lived it was. Do you know how many of these little soft candy things made of rice I shoved in my mouth with a smile, when in reality inside I was absolutely dying lol?! It's not that they tasted bad, but I'm extremely sensitive to textures, not just food but everything. And the texture of those were horrible to me. But there was no way I was going to insult the little old ajumma's & ahjussi's who were kind enough to offer it to me. Also, keep in mind Jungkook was only 19, still pretty young to be ostracized like that.
About them being asked about past plagiarism issues, the problem was that the reporter was a plant, he actually worked for another company and was sent to make BTS look bad. I find that part hard to understand in her video. I didn't understand what the big deal was with that until I learned more about Korea and how the music shows and television networks really worked.
It was a proven thing, dispatch (like a newspaper for the industry, inc acting etc ) showed that BTS and another group released their albums on the same day and met the criteria for the award. The other group took home the trophy, but BTS wasn't in the ranking. That's discrimination, they were just left out and not acknowledged. She beeps it because she doesn't want to refuel the fire.
The naver thing is bad, normally BTS would be in Korea on certain holidays where it would be huge news etc , people would Google things pertaining to the show, what the guys are wearing, or a certain song they perform. Well if it's only shown on the app big hit invented, Google would get less hits of people looking them up , whereas normally people would Google BTS a billion times making Google lots of $$. So instead Google invests in a rival of big hit, then Google ensures that news about BTS is downplayed etc
That's kind of a shitty example, and because of the way things are done over there it's not translating well, it's not quite the right example but I hope you get the idea 🙂
Xenophobia is the fear / dislike of outsiders, those different from you
The ass from forever in your mind said "BTS should be in their own category because he feels like someone from the US or UK should be at the top" meaning a white English speaking boy band should be at the top not a bunch of Asian men with language he can't understand.
The mean blond girl was saying he's trying to look like a trashy white chic named Ashley. Asian men can't have naturally blue eyes and be wholly Asian. Jimin is wearing blue colored contacts and he looks wonderful like that. She's the trashy one for sure
Gods pls ignore my run on sentences and spelling errors, I was tired, my kids kept interrupting and I'd lose my train of thought and now that I've noticed the errors and corrected some of them, it is even later, and I'm even more tired. Sorry for the poor explanation I'll do better next time. Fighting! Lol 😭 hopefully you got the gist of what I was trying to say 😂 💜
Eta: ok I swear this is the last time lol, during the break wings part when you said "come on why it's not that deep" it's because of the way Korean awards work. While sales & streams do contribute to the calculations, so do votes from the audience and home viewer votes as well. Keep in mind, most groups who debut don't last 100 days. In 2013, BTS debut day, over 1 million kids wanted to be idols. Hundreds debut each year and something like less than 1% sticks around. (My numbers may not be quite right as I said... Super tired.
It's super competitive because even after debut , every comeback if you don't make enough $$ your team could be forced to disband. So fandoms of multiple groups all banned together to try to break BTS. But they don't break they just get better and better 💜
They wanted *their* groups to win.
We don’t have the rise of bangtan anymore unfortunately 💔💜 people might be able to find it in the internet tho
Glad to have watched it full before she deleted them 🙌💜
@@pslinky you did great army 💜 have a good rest
@@MariaClara_x thx lol. I'm so sad, after writing all that, I had only gotten 10 mins in before I had to stop and go be productive, now I'm here to finish it, and I have so much more to add on haha. I probably just edit my 2nd comment to add this last bit, and then I'll shut up and just watch it haha! About the rise of bangtan, I had noticed she put some episodes back up, and another channel that I trust was told by aneesa that they could use the copies one of his subscribers had downloaded. So I didn't know if it would be possible for Tyler as well. But ty for bringing it to my attention, I assumed she was putting all of them back up. So Tyler if you read this, you may have to look into it when you want to watch rise of bangtan (obvs the docu-series not the song lol) 💜 borahae 💜
@@pslinky oh cool, I’ll look that up later!
Anyway we’re forever grateful for her series it’s amazing 💜
Jhope is one of the most beautiful people outside and inside - his face, his body and his soul and spirit. People that made him feel so horrible he wanted to quit BTS - THEY are ugly, in more ways than one.
Yes that's right, Hobi is so precious and kind, i'm love so much 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜🇧🇷
50:13 Actually, the numbers are correct, that was the amount of people watching the live in real time
you should react to BTS vs boy bands coming back by boracity magazine
The term Idol is not used here in the western context, as in someone being idolized as a personality.
Idol is a K-pop industry term to describe performers in the kpop industry. They are referred to as idols from day one. It's a descriptive term like calling someone a rapper or a wrestler or a pharmacist etc. They have simply referred to as idols.
The comments that were being made during that interview with the boy band or not positive at all. The one guy was saying that he thinks a European or American boy band should be at the top was inferring that only white people should be there and not Koreans. Hateful.
xen·o·pho·bi·a
/ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēə/
noun
dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
Forever in your mind, the boyband only referred as an European or American boyband should be at the top and not an African American or latino. Top bands should ONLY come from white areas of the world and that is highly racist
music-wise, i recommend you watch BTS’s tiny desk and/or RM’s tiny desk concerts, there’s a nice balance of explanations and music :)
Yes, I think for the bts tiny desk, ( he should know spring day song and watch it and understand the meaning of it)
To get into the tiny desk video.
At least on what I think.
I also recommend we are bullet proof eternal mv by Bts
The Mv shows the obstacles and hardships that BTS has faced throughout the seven years. It expressed BTS way from the very beginning… … to this moment, their ups and downs, and their growth from the labor and success of which they have achieved. Its been a difficult and long road to get where they are now.
Yes. And their appreciation for ARMYs
This video actually broke my heart. All of the accusations are so ridiculous it's laughable that those haters have convinced themselves it's true and have roped in other idiotic fans of other groups to attack BTS. THE misogyny one is actually stupid. They are referring to War of Hormone which is a great track. The lyrics are so tame compared to someone singing about blurred lines and how they want to take a woman to the candy shop and let her lick the lollipop. All those who did all this crazy hate to BTS are truly vile. I don't believe in much I'm not religious but I do believe in karma so those who sent death threats and tried to destroy BTS I hope karma gets then in the most terrible way possible. BTS are very precious to me they have brought me so much happiness and joy. I'm 58 and UK army and I can't begin to say how much I admire and respect them. They are my light and I love them to the moon and back and twice round again.
I personally think it's a bit racist for those guys from Forever in Your Mind to say that a European or American boy and has to be #1. To be fair, it was only the one on the left who said that racist comment - the other two genuinely seemed to like BTS, but the only reason the one side cited for disliking that they were "on top" was literally their race.
22:03 The why is possibly fear. The K-pop industry, at that time, from what I've seen, was very formulaic in nature, except for BTS. For BTS to be succeeding outside of the standard formula, it made the people in the K-pop industry nervous and quite often they would try to interfere. At least that's my understanding.
The hamburger clip really was pretty nasitie if you see it all. Grown arse men attacking a under age kid who was trying to be polite. Jungkook at one point was siting on the floor by himself clearly trying to cry. As a mother seeing him looking so lost, and at the point of tears I wanted to slap that man around the back of his head. If you didn't want the food just make a polite excuse eg 'thank you, I'll eat it later or thank you but I've just eaten."
That part I will have to skip cos the first time I watch it I cried for hours tho it old clip I still feel pain . He was so vulnerable and didn’t deserve that treatment , he wanted to be nice and respectful yet he was abused and treated like a nobody . I still feel pain and it gets me angry
Just to remind you. This was only like 20% of their hardships but the video would be too long. And there is no 2022 update yet
to german radio host issue... i'm german and i searched for the original audio file of his commend. It was pure rasism and xenophobic (hate/discrimination against foreigners). that was not a joke or ironic. he was not fired but didn't go on air anymore. and as we army knows.. 'kharma is an army' because after this cover of 'fix you' they collaborated with coldplay in the song my universe and being good friends now. even coldplay wrote Jins farewell song 'the astronaut' before he leaves to the mandatory military service
i'm german, that was not a joke, the guy was raging... the show got cancelled after the station got so much hate, instead of an honest apology, they said the fans were hysteric and overreact...
33:13 the ''problem is that the reporter was asking about the album ''Wings'' which was released in 2016, during the release of their album ''Map of the soul: Persona'' which was released in 2019. They had released 6 albums in total(including the Japanese) during this 2 years gap. That's just ridiculous and rude. If it was during the Wings album release I would agree with you that is logical to ask about it. He just wanted to create rumors and make them uncomfortable since they were unprepared.😩💜💜
The German radio bloke was comparing them to covid which was also referred to as the Chinese dease and it's why there was a lot of Asian hate crime. Also BTS aren't Chinese they're Korean and it's this all that part of Asia is Chinese thing it's just racism about Asian people. He did finally lose his position and got moved to a very late night small spot once a month. This was due to the complaints by German Army, it could have been worse for him as Germany has laws against racial hate just like the UK
53:24 I understand that your trying to not jump to conclusions and view each issue with an unbiased perspective, but the boy from the boy band was definitely being xenophobic and racist. When he said BTS should be in their own bubble he was basically describing segregation. He also believes that only people from the US or UK are entitled to being recognized as top artists. Yes, I agree with you that it’s ok to have a language preference when listening to music but it’s clear he just dislikes them because they’re Asian.
With the Grammys and BTS views. They were both LIVE streams so they didn’t take into account rewatched views.
Since you are open to kpop, can you please react to Maniac by Stray Kids? Stray Kids is another very unique group that produces their own music. I love Stray Kids, they are so talented, please react to Maniac! 🙏
Remembers 15 million + viewers watching as jk fell asleep on live will always be iconic for me.
BTS simply proves their haters wrong every time!!!!
"A man brings you a burger, you eat a burger!" I cracked up so hard. So true
Look up the reason BTS spoke at the United Nations (3x now).
The reporter was in the back pocket of a rival agency & asked that question solely to create scandal in an attempt to damage BTS' image broadcasted worldwide. This type of thing is a common MO of what was once the "Big 3" of the kpop world. Believe there was absolutely malicious intent behind that ridiculous question being asked in that setting.
Not knowing what xenophobia is, it's the most American thing in the world lol.....
Btw, it means hate and prejudice against others cultures (ethnic groups), usually asians, latins and others non-white people
Somebody has most likely answerd you already but i didnt see eny so. Xenophobia (from Ancient Greek ξένος (xénos) 'strange, foreign, alien', and φόβος (phóbos) 'fear') is the fear or dislike of anything which is perceived as being foreign or strange.