I mean, it could work as a alternative gamemode to play casually, warframe identity has already been stablished as a looter hack n slash. Competitive gamemodes bring the absolute worst out of any community, warframe community is really fucking nice, i would be mad if it got ruined as a side efect of becoming mainstream media
I think a key issue in competetive is the element of team-play, you loose when you gave your best, you feel inferior cuz you got most deaths... I think a solution is to really focus on rewards for the player. And not success or performence based things. For example; you get standing and universal medallions each round you play, that would be massively worth it. And winning, or each kill/assist get´s you 50 Endo. Nobody cares if they lost when they get universal standing do they? Add a simple match-making thing there to not throw people who lost 9/10 games into people who dominate 10/10 games and i´d say that´s all very managable and an improvement.
If they ever do a pvp gamemode it should be faction vs faction (corpus vs grineer/sentient vs dax etc). It would be really hard to balance normal warframes because people would just shieldgate or have overguard
Upgraded lunaro to new movment standards and make ech frame have lunaro pasive that just a litle change or category where there just few biger changes for how you pay but like 4 or 5 version and eche frames is just like a skin for one of class... Not something super hard to do, just a litle change
Warframe can have soooooo many diverse Pvp modes Stalker Hunt Tenno Faction/Syndicate Battles Railjacc/Faction Battles Duvuri style PVP Duviri style BR And Conclave can get several new game modes If people actually played the PvP it would be successful just look at the snowball event
That event was boring as hell people do it just for one thing.... Your progres frames ect dont matter evrything is the same evrything is boring... Pvp shpuld be deleted in way it is now, but rivalization like new game mode or that stalker hide and DIE idea or betwen railack battle but nothing where warframes fight aginst warframes, meyby lunaro upgrade so eche frame be in one of few class giving x bonus but i dont see more than one mode working that way
Legendary Drops mentioned we could've got Khal-175 style shooter and called it Khal of Duty. We play grineer or Corpus players, no bullet jump and full on 3rd person shooter arena fighter like TF2, something grounded but not too crazy. He had a pitch said to reb and didnt think much of it, however I like to hope
I like this idea actually, you know how in battle front mid way through the match you get the opportunity to be a Jedi or whatever, what if like half way through the match someone gets to be the wolf of Saturn six. Idk if this would actually be cool but hey maybe this is a way you could finally add something to the Kahl missions
Man, i would like an enjoyable and stable pvp mode, maybe one where wepons arent the Fokus or dont get used at all, just pure frames and/or operators but also a mode where equipment and stuff like sentinels are also relevant, so that we can see proper pvp loadout building as i said if weapons are important, then it would be just ridiculous
I played Warframe´s event with the Snowball conclave. Legit; if there were a limit to warframe abilities and arsenal, i pray for a Duviri-Conclave mode. You know, a set amount of equipment, equal for all to use. No mods no nothing. Actual equal terms. Abilities require balancing, weapons require balancing, so cutting all that down would be the best call for it. No restriction on frames or weapons for players, significantly less work for DE. Give for example Volt his shock and shield, Excalibur can have his Radial blind and exalted blade, but not much more. And an optional Custom game could still be there, allowing you to compete your whole modded loadout. And the most important thing; dedicated servers. The only thing pissing me off are laggs in the snowball pvp.
one content creator asked rebecca in the tennocon about PVP modes, and rebecca said they weren't working or planning in any pvp content in the future due to the focus being on the main pve aspect of the game and the lack of interest in modes like conclave, i hope this new Pvpve mode revives a bit that pvp community, but i doubt they are actually going to do something like a corpus vs grineer kind of mode or a hero shooter mode, the resources they have to invest to that are too much and the chances of that mode failing just like conclave are big, if anything its better if they just made a straigh up new pvp game, maybe based on the same universe of warframe
DE should make Emperean Plunder consist of 4 Railjack with 1 Gallion and Corpus Ship race to destroy Mothership and Acquire Data Core of it and must be extracted to an allied Mothership and last combat of it will be a Defense mission need to defend the link of Data Core making it so massive
12 seconds in gonna save some times. yes they can and have. dark sectors last version was a 4v4 area battle, where the players mod config would open up as they got kills, kind of like a moba, giving the dont feed the enemy team vibe. it was very fun. but was retired with the dark sectors due to the competitive nature of controlling the sectors from alliance/clan resource earnings. this last version was amazingly fun but balance became a problem as frames like mesa who had 360 degree aimbot at the time entered the scene. this lead to DE deciding they needed to make a whole new balance system for pvp enter conclave as we know it. and the death on PVP in warframe.
Honestly, I think it would be easier for DE to take Warframe's engine and use it to build a PvP game with the movement mechanics we all love. Warframes themselves just don't work in a PvP environment. You can't make Saryn fun to fight against without losing her identity. Limbo is already a pain on your team, imagine being his opponent. Also, the vast complexity of modding is fun to use, but it's not fun to not know what you're up against. Hero shooters benefit from everyone being visually distinct and having distinct abilities.
a warframe moba would be insane, khal and the bros can be minions, im sure theres something in game already that could be used a turret tower. fk me this is now all i will think about for a good while, we need a warframe area of valor
As a former professional competitive player on many different games from fps to fighting games, I really hope they don’t make a PvP game mod and frankly I don’t think they will. Competition online brings out the worst out of most people, it is simply not made for everyone yet everyone plays it. So it creates a lot of frustration and toxicity. I played marvel rivals for fun, first few games I had a blast everyone was nice and I was making sick plays. Then the matchmaking put me against people my level so in all honesty kinda high level lobbies and then everyone was toxic, insulting, flaming, blaming everyone and there mother for there own shortcomings. So yeah I just stopped the game and it was a reminder to me of why I stopped playing PvP games and only play PvE games now.
I feel like the easiest way to introduce PVP in warframe is with the index. No need to do crazy ability balancing and all that, just two teams duking it out and the one team that banks the required amount of index points faster wins.
So basically Face Off in 1999 then? Two teams race to complete 3 sets of mission objectives faster, no direct Killing. Just complete the objective faster, cause disruptions with pick ups.
Honestly I'd be down to try pvp if they made it engaging and add some balancing to the abilities and maybe revamp and incorporate some of the current pvp game modes. I just hope that it wouldn't bring any sort of toxicity as is the norm with a lot of competitive fps games.
I feel the best way is to look at the pvp in re6. Resident Evil 6 is a bad game. But you'll notice it's still played a bunch. And one major reason is how great the mercenaries and pvp modes are. The thing to note is. You done fight each other. You fight hordes and doing better against your hordes sends more powerful hordes against your opponent. First to die or most kills wins.
Funnily enough, LegendaryDrops suggested to Rebecca about a corpus v. Grineer PvP mode, and she gave a straight no. Her reason (I could be wrong here, so take it with a grain of salt) was something along the lines of 'We'd rather put our resources into something we know how to do.' So... in a sense, I guess the upcoming PvPvE mode is a response to that? idk. Is it the best way to implement PvP? Probably not. But I do think it's a step in the right direction, since rather than trying to create an entirely new game, you just play the actual game. Only difference is that you're competing to see who can finish the mission faster. Personally, I'm looking forward to this. Also, on another note, even if a piece of content isn't popular in Warframe (or anywhere else, really), it will still have an audience for it. I mean, seriously, there's actually people who still care about conclave enough to get Limbo banned! (Well, ig that's not too surprising)
idk man, they totally have the roster to make a game similar to marvel rivals/overwatch but personally IF they were to do this I would want it to be separate from warframe. I think that would also be the healthiest scenario for both games just because it would allow for greater balance as both could be done separately. Maybe there could be some account linking so that you can gain conclave xp while playing the hero shooter but idk.
I don't think they really can, DE would need to hire people that are skilled with PvP games like overwatch, Rivals, ect. The reason being that Rivals and games like that have skills that are somewhat balanced and designed for PvP. for warframe it is greared towards PvE, many of the abilites in warframe would have tobe reworked for conclave as some frames would be broken.
while i would love a real pvp mode with warframes, i just dont think its feasible without gutting every frame. That said, a pvp necramech battleground or tenno battleground would be fun. Also updates to lunaro would be dope, cuz it is a fun game mode... at first. It gets really stale after a bit because theres no real engagement beside "grab ball, jump around, throw ball" This would take away from pve content updates tho, which i really dont want to see. DE has been COOKIN as of recent
DE can barely balance PVE, there's no chance they could handle PVP. The engine also has latency issues which conflict with the fast movement. Since the game already attracts a casual/cooperative audience, it would be a massive waste of resources to implement and maintain a pvp mode.
Said it before and I'll say it again Yes warframe can easily pull off pvp People just hate not having their oh so nice op gear and hate not one shot killing everything they fight for dopamine
Dear god noooo... It just need much changes... Like 99% of conclave be boring, is just problem of you cant mod your things except trash conclave mods, but if you could than people would randomly die due to broken skills, it still would be infinity more fun than right now. But noo it just not gona work, DE need for that split frames skills and build progres into two what slow down upgrading game but is better option becuse it would kill only conclave again after short time or they start balancing warframes around pvp and that would hurt mein game hard... Starcraft 2 do split right but is an rts and fact that in 3 mein fraction betwen co op and story we have xxx sub fraction is not that big change and i cant see that in warframe... New mode is only right way, easy to do sub modes, like reworked lumaro where eche frames have a 1 pasive bonus changing it style, just one pasive, and meyby khal of duty mode but not just pvp it would slow down game progres a lot and would be deleted after a year
the game was not balanced for pvp, that is clear with some of the weapons and warframe abilities, but there is still a part of the community that enjoys the mode, sure
I mean, it could work as a alternative gamemode to play casually, warframe identity has already been stablished as a looter hack n slash.
Competitive gamemodes bring the absolute worst out of any community, warframe community is really fucking nice, i would be mad if it got ruined as a side efect of becoming mainstream media
I think a key issue in competetive is the element of team-play, you loose when you gave your best, you feel inferior cuz you got most deaths...
I think a solution is to really focus on rewards for the player. And not success or performence based things.
For example; you get standing and universal medallions each round you play, that would be massively worth it. And winning, or each kill/assist get´s you 50 Endo.
Nobody cares if they lost when they get universal standing do they?
Add a simple match-making thing there to not throw people who lost 9/10 games into people who dominate 10/10 games and i´d say that´s all very managable and an improvement.
Good that the new mode gives conclave standing. Almost impossible to level that otherwise nowadays
true
If they ever do a pvp gamemode it should be faction vs faction (corpus vs grineer/sentient vs dax etc). It would be really hard to balance normal warframes because people would just shieldgate or have overguard
we don't need or want pvp in warframe, the new competitive mode sure but even that is eh
Upgraded lunaro to new movment standards and make ech frame have lunaro pasive that just a litle change or category where there just few biger changes for how you pay but like 4 or 5 version and eche frames is just like a skin for one of class... Not something super hard to do, just a litle change
A lot of things can be taken from Path of Exile 2 and Marvel Rivals. Its a matter of when, not if they would.
Warframe can have soooooo many diverse Pvp modes
Stalker Hunt Tenno
Faction/Syndicate Battles
Railjacc/Faction Battles
Duvuri style PVP
Duviri style BR
And Conclave can get several new game modes
If people actually played the PvP it would be successful just look at the snowball event
That event was boring as hell people do it just for one thing.... Your progres frames ect dont matter evrything is the same evrything is boring... Pvp shpuld be deleted in way it is now, but rivalization like new game mode or that stalker hide and DIE idea or betwen railack battle but nothing where warframes fight aginst warframes, meyby lunaro upgrade so eche frame be in one of few class giving x bonus but i dont see more than one mode working that way
Legendary Drops mentioned we could've got Khal-175 style shooter and called it Khal of Duty. We play grineer or Corpus players, no bullet jump and full on 3rd person shooter arena fighter like TF2, something grounded but not too crazy. He had a pitch said to reb and didnt think much of it, however I like to hope
They could make a grineer vs grineer or grineer vs corpus
I like this idea actually, you know how in battle front mid way through the match you get the opportunity to be a Jedi or whatever, what if like half way through the match someone gets to be the wolf of Saturn six. Idk if this would actually be cool but hey maybe this is a way you could finally add something to the Kahl missions
I mean, since playable corpus and grinner(the only ones to get stuff outside of new war) are already implemented an PvP with them would be cool lol
sounds boring. the mode where u play as a grineer is the least liked mode in the game.
@@Always.Smarter as in pvp I meant like conclave only grineer or corpus
And then also use kuva liches vs sisters of parvos as special units
Man, i would like an enjoyable and stable pvp mode, maybe one where wepons arent the Fokus or dont get used at all, just pure frames and/or operators
but also a mode where equipment and stuff like sentinels are also relevant, so that we can see proper pvp loadout building
as i said if weapons are important, then it would be just ridiculous
Conclave still "exists" more or less.
Can't wait for the new Pv(Pv)E mode to get standing and finally buy the sigils lmao
I played Warframe´s event with the Snowball conclave.
Legit; if there were a limit to warframe abilities and arsenal, i pray for a Duviri-Conclave mode.
You know, a set amount of equipment, equal for all to use. No mods no nothing.
Actual equal terms.
Abilities require balancing, weapons require balancing, so cutting all that down would be the best call for it. No restriction on frames or weapons for players, significantly less work for DE.
Give for example Volt his shock and shield, Excalibur can have his Radial blind and exalted blade, but not much more.
And an optional Custom game could still be there, allowing you to compete your whole modded loadout.
And the most important thing; dedicated servers. The only thing pissing me off are laggs in the snowball pvp.
one content creator asked rebecca in the tennocon about PVP modes, and rebecca said they weren't working or planning in any pvp content in the future due to the focus being on the main pve aspect of the game and the lack of interest in modes like conclave, i hope this new Pvpve mode revives a bit that pvp community, but i doubt they are actually going to do something like a corpus vs grineer kind of mode or a hero shooter mode, the resources they have to invest to that are too much and the chances of that mode failing just like conclave are big, if anything its better if they just made a straigh up new pvp game, maybe based on the same universe of warframe
DE should make Emperean Plunder consist of 4 Railjack with 1 Gallion and Corpus Ship race to destroy Mothership and Acquire Data Core of it and must be extracted to an allied Mothership and last combat of it will be a Defense mission need to defend the link of Data Core making it so massive
drifter pvp would go crazy
12 seconds in gonna save some times. yes they can and have. dark sectors last version was a 4v4 area battle, where the players mod config would open up as they got kills, kind of like a moba, giving the dont feed the enemy team vibe. it was very fun. but was retired with the dark sectors due to the competitive nature of controlling the sectors from alliance/clan resource earnings.
this last version was amazingly fun but balance became a problem as frames like mesa who had 360 degree aimbot at the time entered the scene.
this lead to DE deciding they needed to make a whole new balance system for pvp enter conclave as we know it.
and the death on PVP in warframe.
Honestly, I think it would be easier for DE to take Warframe's engine and use it to build a PvP game with the movement mechanics we all love.
Warframes themselves just don't work in a PvP environment. You can't make Saryn fun to fight against without losing her identity. Limbo is already a pain on your team, imagine being his opponent.
Also, the vast complexity of modding is fun to use, but it's not fun to not know what you're up against. Hero shooters benefit from everyone being visually distinct and having distinct abilities.
Your comparing two games that are fundamentally made and act different
Marvel Rivals is the current trendy topic for the YT algorithm. Gotta milk it as much as you can. 100% agree it’s a really dumb comparison.
a warframe moba would be insane, khal and the bros can be minions, im sure theres something in game already that could be used a turret tower. fk me this is now all i will think about for a good while, we need a warframe area of valor
As a former professional competitive player on many different games from fps to fighting games, I really hope they don’t make a PvP game mod and frankly I don’t think they will.
Competition online brings out the worst out of most people, it is simply not made for everyone yet everyone plays it. So it creates a lot of frustration and toxicity.
I played marvel rivals for fun, first few games I had a blast everyone was nice and I was making sick plays.
Then the matchmaking put me against people my level so in all honesty kinda high level lobbies and then everyone was toxic, insulting, flaming, blaming everyone and there mother for there own shortcomings.
So yeah I just stopped the game and it was a reminder to me of why I stopped playing PvP games and only play PvE games now.
Plz do more level cap build vids ur builds making me love the game rn
W idea
I feel like the easiest way to introduce PVP in warframe is with the index. No need to do crazy ability balancing and all that, just two teams duking it out and the one team that banks the required amount of index points faster wins.
So basically Face Off in 1999 then?
Two teams race to complete 3 sets of mission objectives faster, no direct Killing. Just complete the objective faster, cause disruptions with pick ups.
Honestly I'd be down to try pvp if they made it engaging and add some balancing to the abilities and maybe revamp and incorporate some of the current pvp game modes. I just hope that it wouldn't bring any sort of toxicity as is the norm with a lot of competitive fps games.
I feel the best way is to look at the pvp in re6. Resident Evil 6 is a bad game. But you'll notice it's still played a bunch. And one major reason is how great the mercenaries and pvp modes are. The thing to note is. You done fight each other. You fight hordes and doing better against your hordes sends more powerful hordes against your opponent. First to die or most kills wins.
Funnily enough, LegendaryDrops suggested to Rebecca about a corpus v. Grineer PvP mode, and she gave a straight no. Her reason (I could be wrong here, so take it with a grain of salt) was something along the lines of 'We'd rather put our resources into something we know how to do.'
So... in a sense, I guess the upcoming PvPvE mode is a response to that? idk. Is it the best way to implement PvP? Probably not. But I do think it's a step in the right direction, since rather than trying to create an entirely new game, you just play the actual game. Only difference is that you're competing to see who can finish the mission faster. Personally, I'm looking forward to this.
Also, on another note, even if a piece of content isn't popular in Warframe (or anywhere else, really), it will still have an audience for it. I mean, seriously, there's actually people who still care about conclave enough to get Limbo banned! (Well, ig that's not too surprising)
DE still has most of the people who made Unreal Tournament. Their success was founded on PvP (and pinball) so they absolutely know how to do it.
idk man, they totally have the roster to make a game similar to marvel rivals/overwatch but personally IF they were to do this I would want it to be separate from warframe. I think that would also be the healthiest scenario for both games just because it would allow for greater balance as both could be done separately. Maybe there could be some account linking so that you can gain conclave xp while playing the hero shooter but idk.
I don't think they really can, DE would need to hire people that are skilled with PvP games like overwatch, Rivals, ect. The reason being that Rivals and games like that have skills that are somewhat balanced and designed for PvP. for warframe it is greared towards PvE, many of the abilites in warframe would have tobe reworked for conclave as some frames would be broken.
Ok if some frames are broken so what? In my opinion over 30 frames are broken already
They tried they shouldnt 😂
Plz do gyre of wisp level cap next
while i would love a real pvp mode with warframes, i just dont think its feasible without gutting every frame. That said, a pvp necramech battleground or tenno battleground would be fun. Also updates to lunaro would be dope, cuz it is a fun game mode... at first. It gets really stale after a bit because theres no real engagement beside "grab ball, jump around, throw ball"
This would take away from pve content updates tho, which i really dont want to see. DE has been COOKIN as of recent
DE can barely balance PVE, there's no chance they could handle PVP. The engine also has latency issues which conflict with the fast movement. Since the game already attracts a casual/cooperative audience, it would be a massive waste of resources to implement and maintain a pvp mode.
If they tho it they can't do it in warframe it self like anyother mode
Said it before and I'll say it again
Yes warframe can easily pull off pvp
People just hate not having their oh so nice op gear and hate not one shot killing everything they fight for dopamine
Change the camera angle and make the mode a MOBA
Dear god noooo...
It just need much changes... Like 99% of conclave be boring, is just problem of you cant mod your things except trash conclave mods, but if you could than people would randomly die due to broken skills, it still would be infinity more fun than right now. But noo it just not gona work, DE need for that split frames skills and build progres into two what slow down upgrading game but is better option becuse it would kill only conclave again after short time or they start balancing warframes around pvp and that would hurt mein game hard... Starcraft 2 do split right but is an rts and fact that in 3 mein fraction betwen co op and story we have xxx sub fraction is not that big change and i cant see that in warframe... New mode is only right way, easy to do sub modes, like reworked lumaro where eche frames have a 1 pasive bonus changing it style, just one pasive, and meyby khal of duty mode but not just pvp it would slow down game progres a lot and would be deleted after a year
conclave is good dude, the rapid movement kinda makes you tend towards a very methodical playstyle
the game was not balanced for pvp, that is clear with some of the weapons and warframe abilities, but there is still a part of the community that enjoys the mode, sure
Warframe had or has a pvp OGs know... but not every game needs one bruh go play fortnite
No they can’t and should not!!!!. If you want to play PvP go play call of duty!!!!.
Womp womp
They can if they want
@ yeah they can, but they want. So go sleep on that 😆
@TimBassett-mh9ou never said i want it, who did hurt you so mutch to be so angry ?
@ no one, just hate ignorance is all
Too much movement