@@SaulSGonzalez No. My renewal just says what I must pay. Actually this year it was $830. Registration Fee $418 License fee $361 Special personalized plate fee $40 County district fees $11. You notice it's all fees? No vehicle tax.
Despite all of the hand-wringing and whining about paying taxes for road infrastructure, drivers aren't really even paying for the true cost of the roads because the shortfalls in gas tax and electric vehicle registration fees is made up for by taxes on people who don't drive (e.g. income tax).
Total electric vehicles could be taxed at non private recharge stations. If they are just plugging in at home, that is a different issue. Stop giving tax credits to EV buyers, that is double taxation for non ev buyers.
I don't mind the research on Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT), which is what was being studied since 2017. I just want to be the one to vote on it see exactly where that money is going. Like the guys at 2:50, it feels like we're taxed for everything. And we still came into a budget deficit.
and what happens to vehicles from out of state? How do they get charged for the road tax? And how do they get tracked when entering and leaving the state, or do they get to use CA roads for free?
That's an excellent point, and it still has to be figured out. One advantage of any state's gas tax is that you still have to pay it, even if just visiting from other another state. Another issue is how to handle federal and local gas taxes. Do they get changed as well?
There is a coalition of Western States that are meeting, as they are all looking from shifting away from the gas tax to a roach charge, and interoperability of their systems is on top of the agenda
It has nothing to do with less revenue coming in. Its all about how to get as much cash as possible. By any means necessary. They don't give a damn if you can afford it or not.
I live in Ca and my car is registered in Oregon so good luck with this and guess what I am not alone in this because screw the Ca dmv they take too much anyway...
Absolutely not I think the ideas stupid ridiculous and not well. Thought out at all like everybody else is saying we’ve been text tremendously here in California. It’s highway robbery. It’s a racket.
Figure up how much is collected in gas tax per year. Now figure up how much is being spent on roads to repair and create new routes. Only a portion of this money is being used and the rest magically disappears…uhmmm sounds like theft to me.
SB1 is where I'd defend that notion since its language strictly says the taxes collected, must only be used for road repair and maintenance. The problem is when SB1 gas tax revenue isn't enough since California wants to push electric cars and hybrids, want the consumer to shoulder the burden of more complex (and heavier) vehicles, but still want their tax revenue for other pet projects that can be categorized under road maintenance.
Gas tax isn't pulling enough money in to maintain all of the road infrastructure, we're making up for it by deferring maintenance or pulling funds from other places (e.g. income tax).
@@squibbard indeed....this is where I'll wear my red cap and say 'secure the border'. More people means more wear and tear. And if the tax revenue isn't matching the number of cars on the road and the totality of taxpayers, we're gonna come up short every day until our expenses overtake our tax revenue. It's such simple cash flow analysis but for reason, we're choosing not to point out the elephant in the room: illegal immigration. It's not wrong to think about the road charge, since EV RIF fees and hybrid cars reduces the tax revenue. But to think we have such little wiggle room in funds, yet they keep asking for more. ..
I rather it be fair so that heavier vehicles pay more money since they are the ones that are destroying the roads quicker, like for example a 6,000 pound truck will hurt the road more than a 3,000 pound car
So for example vehicles 2000 pounds or less will pay 1 cent per mile 3000 or less 2 cents 4000 or less 4 cents 5000 or less 6 cents 6000 or less 8 cents
@SaulSGonzalez In 1996 California asked us to let them to raze the gas tax to repair the roads. In stead they built walls. That same year they also asked if they raze bridge tolls from 50 cents to a dollar to retrofit the bridges, and we gave that to them as well, now it's 5 dollars.
Even horses and carriages cannot save California now.
Do you ever think maybe I should look into the issues rather than complaining all the time?
They will never get rid of the gas tax. They are just going to pile on mileage fees. I already pay $850 a year for tags on my EV.
$850 for your tags? Isn't there an annual charge to make up for the gas tax you're paying?
@@SaulSGonzalez No. My renewal just says what I must pay. Actually this year it was $830. Registration Fee $418 License fee $361 Special personalized plate fee $40 County district fees $11. You notice it's all fees? No vehicle tax.
That's bull***t the state of California rakes in plenty of money.
The whole system is corrupt.
If you're in Arizona, your state fuel tax is 18 cents a gallon I believe.
Despite all of the hand-wringing and whining about paying taxes for road infrastructure, drivers aren't really even paying for the true cost of the roads because the shortfalls in gas tax and electric vehicle registration fees is made up for by taxes on people who don't drive (e.g. income tax).
Get rid of Gavin Newsome
If you believe they'll actually ditch the gas tax, I've got a bridge to sell you.
Are you firm?
They wanna charge ev driver 0.30 cents a mile since they arent making enough off the gas tax
You’re telling me I gotta pay to pay for something?!
Total electric vehicles could be taxed at non private recharge stations. If they are just plugging in at home, that is a different issue. Stop giving tax credits to EV buyers, that is double taxation for non ev buyers.
Need to see Doc Brown about that hover conversion methinks.
I don't mind the research on Vehicle Miles Traveled (VMT), which is what was being studied since 2017. I just want to be the one to vote on it see exactly where that money is going. Like the guys at 2:50, it feels like we're taxed for everything. And we still came into a budget deficit.
I understand how you want to know where the money raised would be going. Thanks for the comment.
and what happens to vehicles from out of state? How do they get charged for the road tax? And how do they get tracked when entering and leaving the state, or do they get to use CA roads for free?
That's an excellent point, and it still has to be figured out. One advantage of any state's gas tax is that you still have to pay it, even if just visiting from other another state. Another issue is how to handle federal and local gas taxes. Do they get changed as well?
There is a coalition of Western States that are meeting, as they are all looking from shifting away from the gas tax to a roach charge, and interoperability of their systems is on top of the agenda
It has nothing to do with less revenue coming in. Its all about how to get as much cash as possible. By any means necessary. They don't give a damn if you can afford it or not.
Thanks for your response to the story. Many share your opinion of the mileage charge.
If you think un licensed/registered drivers are a problem now, just wait till something like this passes. Those numbers will triple.
Stop nickel and diming everyone. Learn how to budget your state for crying outloud
Thanks for watching and the reply. I appreciate it.
All the EV's are driving for free. They don't help repair the roads like I do!
Yeah and they cause way more damage to roads
@@andrewlau7049they need to sell more EVs that are under 3000 pounds and not over 6000 pounds like alot of teslas
I live in Ca and my car is registered in Oregon so good luck with this and guess what I am not alone in this because screw the Ca dmv they take too much anyway...
It's so easy and lazy to just impose a higher gas tax instead of well thought out government policy.
Absolutely not I think the ideas stupid ridiculous and not well. Thought out at all like everybody else is saying we’ve been text tremendously here in California. It’s highway robbery. It’s a racket.
Thanks for the comment. Safe driving!
Gas tax is used for road maintenance. If EVs use the same road that's paid from gas tax, then tax the road because EVs don't contribute.
Common sense.
Hey Saul! Love the video, definitely an interesting idea for an important issue
There just going to have to figure out how there going to get buy on less money just like the rest of us.
I WISH ABOUT 20 MILLION PEOPLE WOULD MOVE OUT,I KNOW YOU CAN;T BUT I SURE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT,PEOPLE WERE ALMOST TO THE END,GET READY
I bet there are a lot less monster trucks driving around there.
Figure up how much is collected in gas tax per year. Now figure up how much is being spent on roads to repair and create new routes. Only a portion of this money is being used and the rest magically disappears…uhmmm sounds like theft to me.
SB1 is where I'd defend that notion since its language strictly says the taxes collected, must only be used for road repair and maintenance. The problem is when SB1 gas tax revenue isn't enough since California wants to push electric cars and hybrids, want the consumer to shoulder the burden of more complex (and heavier) vehicles, but still want their tax revenue for other pet projects that can be categorized under road maintenance.
Gas tax isn't pulling enough money in to maintain all of the road infrastructure, we're making up for it by deferring maintenance or pulling funds from other places (e.g. income tax).
@@squibbard indeed....this is where I'll wear my red cap and say 'secure the border'. More people means more wear and tear. And if the tax revenue isn't matching the number of cars on the road and the totality of taxpayers, we're gonna come up short every day until our expenses overtake our tax revenue.
It's such simple cash flow analysis but for reason, we're choosing not to point out the elephant in the room: illegal immigration.
It's not wrong to think about the road charge, since EV RIF fees and hybrid cars reduces the tax revenue. But to think we have such little wiggle room in funds, yet they keep asking for more.
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They should tax bicycles! SHOES! You use the ground in Ca you get taxed! Sounds very California. I love it (i don't really but they do)
I rather it be fair so that heavier vehicles pay more money since they are the ones that are destroying the roads quicker, like for example a 6,000 pound truck will hurt the road more than a 3,000 pound car
So for example vehicles 2000 pounds or less will pay 1 cent per mile
3000 or less 2 cents
4000 or less 4 cents
5000 or less 6 cents
6000 or less 8 cents
Or for it to be more simple don't pay per miles and just pay more at the start of the year or month if you have a heavier vehicle
Time to just walk lol
@@YayyO-YT You have a point. No tax on that.
@@SaulSGonzalez Don't give them any ideas.....
Why not both?
Gas and mileage charge? Well, the thinking goes is that gas cars will one day go away., at least when it comes to the sales of new models.
What about all the money the DMV takes in.
The state says about 80% of road care and upkeep supported by the gas tax.
@SaulSGonzalez In 1996 California asked us to let them to raze the gas tax to repair the roads. In stead they built walls. That same year they also asked if they raze bridge tolls from 50 cents to a dollar to retrofit the bridges, and we gave that to them as well, now it's 5 dollars.
Pays the salaries of DMV workers
@@WilliamAkins-rw2hv I think that's a different pot of money apart from the fuel tax.
Tax the EV's!
What roads the roads in cali r dogshit
bs.. I've been running my car on hydrogen. I get the hydrogen from water... it cosr me roughly $1 in electricity LOL
Do you pay an annual state fee to partially make up for the loss of your gas tax?