Fair points and I definitely agree Kenny is underrated and just had insane potential he filled out very quickly with Terry (the third strongest figther arguably, behind chozen and mr miyagi) and also terry's insane tech propelling him also like you mentioned with no breaks. In the Hawk fight what we can conclude is Kenny>Holding back Miyagi Only Hawk Hawk non holding back Cobra Kai Offense>=Kenny (not 100% valid because its a fair argument to assume he wasnt expecting hawk to go from such extreme defense to offense which means he didnt have time to balance his offense and defense making it not really prime kenny) Therefor Hawk Cobra Kai non holding back>Hawk Miyagi The point youre making with the elbow to the knee is also kinda, eh? In a street fight there are no rules and Hawk knows and would be prepared for this, in a tournament setting like they were in it's unfair to say "Hawk was in what should've been a fair, controlled fighting ground with no cheap moves, (a kinda eh point aswell as cobra kai are known for their fair tricks but he wouldnt know the judge was bribed, if he wasnt kenny most likely wouldnt have done it) therefor he is weak because he didn't expect, predict and block the opposite" this is kinda backed up by the fact that hawk immediately and effortlessly dodged kennys attack at the pool despite him trying to be decieving by acting like hes going away to try to have him let his guard down Now we see Hawk pre injury, I think it is fair to assume that this definitely hindered his fighting technique (im pretty sure that:) the move has been used before and i dont remember anyone being completely unscathed, (hawk uses this on kenny at the waterpark, theres significantly less rage and strength put into it as it was a small scruffle at a waterpark whereas kenny was absolutely pissed he got humiliated and wanted revenge in the tourney, but he also squealed in pain and grabbed onto his leg and limped too so it definitely delivers constant pain and makes sure that leg has way less support) hawk also limps back into his fighting position. Kenny beat this version of Hawk even faster than Miyagi, (the argument that the silver bullet was the only reason for doing so is invalid as kenny and terry agreed that the silver bullet was only for extra damage and kenny would've scored anyways) Therefor Kenny>Injured 100% Hawk So it's safe to assume that the ranking should go Hawk 100% both styles>Hawk 100% Offense>Kenny>Hawk 100% Defense>Hawk injured both styles this is just my opinion, be sure to correct any mistakes i made
Kenny being allowed to use an elbow to the knee in a street fight is a moot point since hawk is more than likely to see it coming in a street fight, because he was in a tournament setting it caught him off guard
Also in the elbow to the knee wouldn't be disqualification as jhonny did same thing and got a warning in karate kid. And if you count the pionts if the ref was fair..hawk scored 1 point while Kenny scored 2. And even not holding back hawk shouldn't have been caught with the bullet meaning Kenny better
Finally a respective fan. These hawk fans need to humble themselves tbh. Sure its a bit weird to see kenny win. But don't matter. We see his potential and he can be a great asset. Thank you for being a great example for us. And you spoke true facts
in my opinion Kenny only beat Hawk because of that move that Silver taught him and because he was being bought. however, I think he's a fighter with potential, but he loses to the best youngsters who are Tory, Sam, Hawk, Robby and Miguel.
kenny has the most potential among all teens if you compare kenny s5 with miguel, robby, sam and hawk s1 and they all had almost the same training time you will see that kenny could win
win cuz of Hawk hold back, gets injured, and plot armor, if he fought with Hawk that would have Hawk s3 mentality, Hawk would probably gets disqualified consider murder💀
Personally, I think Hawk was nerfed since he performed worse than Demetri and got reacted by Kyler even though Hawk destroyed Kyler before. And if you say that Kyler got better training. well... Look at Demetri, he just threw and kick and KO'ed Kyler with no difficulty. I don't think that training was as good as technique building (And he fought 2 people right before) Hawk was clearly nerfed since his hits were more lethargic and not built as well (this might be choreography but it still doesn't bring to the fact he performed worse than Demetri even though he is going all out since it's a street fight) But yeah Kenny is still powerful and beats s1, s2, s3 Robby or Miguel. He speeds blitzes Kyler and idk about him vs demetri? Idk actually since Demetri performed better than an all going out canon s5 Hawk somehow. Sooo... yeah? personally I think Demetri beats him tbh. But I think it'd be close via feats since Daniel was able to block the silver bullet. I think Demetri is more experienced in Miyagi-DO than Hawk and would do the same thing.
@@Glorius_moose6784 you say that like Hawk wasn't pulling his punches and Kenmy didnt use illegal moves with a paid off ref 😭 if Hawk tried from the start Kenny would have gotten destroyed 💀
I hate kenny but i must admit that the dwarf has good skills, however Hawk and Robby held back when they fought kenny, a proof of this was when kenny fights Miguel and he couldn't even touch Miguel, Miguel showed the dwarf who he is the champion.
Still if hawk was trying he would have destroyed Kenny, Miguel in the final fight literally clapped Kenny, and Miguel scales to Robby in which Robby scales to hawk
Seeing people cry and saying he has plot armor is funny. The same people didn't care when Miguel, Robby and Hawk became the best fighters in the valley in a couple of months. As a matter of fact, Robby was the least experienced, but he was the strongest. Kenny's downplay comes from a place of butthurt, not facts.
It's not fair to say that elbow Kenny used would be fine in a street fight because Hawk likely didn't see it coming as it's a very clearly illegal move lmao
In my opinion kenny is a good fighter and has the most potential but he shouldn’t be able to touch miguel robby or hawk due to there experience and in the hawk vs kenny fight hawk wasn’t even trying while kenny was and the thing that annoys me is the silver bullet should be easy to counter due to hawk and Robby’s defence therefore if hawk was trying 100 percent kenny wouldn’t stand a chance and I’m not a kenny hater but all I’m saying is that he shouldn’t be near the level of the main 3 and the writers only buffed kenny because he was the only good fighter left in cobra Kai so it was also partly plot armour but I respect ur opinion
Bro 😂😂. It’s like football, if the ref had given hawk the point the fight would’ve been 1-1 making it a different game and plus, the elbow is an illegal move so it doesn’t really matter, Hawk should have won
He was at some points but I agree what you are saying also I noticed they didn't analyse the pool fight or dojo fight where Miguel and hawk destroyed him
Hawk s5 is holding back against kenny though until he put silver bullet even kyler did much against Miyagi do hawk than kenny did And kenny need 3 4 gangs to beat Robby who was holding back And look in s6 even miguel while holding back beaten s6 kenny So s5 kenny sucks as fighter in general
Hawk wins easy against Kenny and they nerfed hawk because if hawk was not nerfed he would of won quick and the freferee was paid hawk was not even trying but i will say Kenny is strong and only trained a few months and can defeat other cobra kai students and is one of the top 20
Bro all he did was block 1 punch from eli and your counting that as Eli using both styles nah that wasn’t proper karate as we can clearly see eli left himself open easily and he didn’t even bother to use his other hand so no eli barely tried in the third round
Fair points and I definitely agree Kenny is underrated and just had insane potential he filled out very quickly with Terry (the third strongest figther arguably, behind chozen and mr miyagi) and also terry's insane tech propelling him also like you mentioned with no breaks.
In the Hawk fight what we can conclude is
Kenny>Holding back Miyagi Only Hawk
Hawk non holding back Cobra Kai Offense>=Kenny (not 100% valid because its a fair argument to assume he wasnt expecting hawk to go from such extreme defense to offense which means he didnt have time to balance his offense and defense making it not really prime kenny)
Therefor Hawk Cobra Kai non holding back>Hawk Miyagi
The point youre making with the elbow to the knee is also kinda, eh? In a street fight there are no rules and Hawk knows and would be prepared for this, in a tournament setting like they were in it's unfair to say "Hawk was in what should've been a fair, controlled fighting ground with no cheap moves, (a kinda eh point aswell as cobra kai are known for their fair tricks but he wouldnt know the judge was bribed, if he wasnt kenny most likely wouldnt have done it) therefor he is weak because he didn't expect, predict and block the opposite" this is kinda backed up by the fact that hawk immediately and effortlessly dodged kennys attack at the pool despite him trying to be decieving by acting like hes going away to try to have him let his guard down
Now we see Hawk pre injury, I think it is fair to assume that this definitely hindered his fighting technique (im pretty sure that:) the move has been used before and i dont remember anyone being completely unscathed, (hawk uses this on kenny at the waterpark, theres significantly less rage and strength put into it as it was a small scruffle at a waterpark whereas kenny was absolutely pissed he got humiliated and wanted revenge in the tourney, but he also squealed in pain and grabbed onto his leg and limped too so it definitely delivers constant pain and makes sure that leg has way less support) hawk also limps back into his fighting position. Kenny beat this version of Hawk even faster than Miyagi, (the argument that the silver bullet was the only reason for doing so is invalid as kenny and terry agreed that the silver bullet was only for extra damage and kenny would've scored anyways)
Therefor Kenny>Injured 100% Hawk
So it's safe to assume that the ranking should go Hawk 100% both styles>Hawk 100% Offense>Kenny>Hawk 100% Defense>Hawk injured both styles
this is just my opinion, be sure to correct any mistakes i made
Kenny being allowed to use an elbow to the knee in a street fight is a moot point since hawk is more than likely to see it coming in a street fight, because he was in a tournament setting it caught him off guard
That makes no sense at all, just because he’s in a tournament setting doesn’t mean it should be any harder to counter it.
@@sippinice4 a cheating ref is more than enough to throw you off balance believe me
Also in the elbow to the knee wouldn't be disqualification as jhonny did same thing and got a warning in karate kid. And if you count the pionts if the ref was fair..hawk scored 1 point while Kenny scored 2. And even not holding back hawk shouldn't have been caught with the bullet meaning Kenny better
Finally a respective fan. These hawk fans need to humble themselves tbh. Sure its a bit weird to see kenny win. But don't matter. We see his potential and he can be a great asset. Thank you for being a great example for us. And you spoke true facts
good vid
all his feats were against fighters holding back so you can’t really put him in the top 5 but he has potential
I never said he's in the top 5, I said he's best OUTSIDE of the main 5
@@LeReem sorry but demetri beats him
@@ethanmatzinger1692 X to doubt 😂
@@LeReem how does he beat demetri lmao
@@absolutelynothing1465ikr Demetri is way better than Kenny
in my opinion Kenny only beat Hawk because of that move that Silver taught him and because he was being bought. however, I think he's a fighter with potential, but he loses to the best youngsters who are Tory, Sam, Hawk, Robby and Miguel.
kenny has the most potential among all teens if you compare kenny s5 with miguel, robby, sam and hawk s1 and they all had almost the same training time you will see that kenny could win
@Dinetion It has nothing to do with it
Kenny beat hawk because Robby told hawk not to go to hard on him. So he played defence and lost. but mostly the silver bullet made him win
win cuz of Hawk hold back, gets injured, and plot armor, if he fought with Hawk that would have Hawk s3 mentality, Hawk would probably gets disqualified consider murder💀
Actually Hawk was dominating kenny in the Waterpark but still Kenny has the most potential cause he started young and he trains fast
Personally, I think Hawk was nerfed since he performed worse than Demetri and got reacted by Kyler even though Hawk destroyed Kyler before. And if you say that Kyler got better training. well... Look at Demetri, he just threw and kick and KO'ed Kyler with no difficulty. I don't think that training was as good as technique building (And he fought 2 people right before) Hawk was clearly nerfed since his hits were more lethargic and not built as well (this might be choreography but it still doesn't bring to the fact he performed worse than Demetri even though he is going all out since it's a street fight) But yeah Kenny is still powerful and beats s1, s2, s3 Robby or Miguel. He speeds blitzes Kyler and idk about him vs demetri? Idk actually since Demetri performed better than an all going out canon s5 Hawk somehow. Sooo... yeah? personally I think Demetri beats him tbh. But I think it'd be close via feats since Daniel was able to block the silver bullet. I think Demetri is more experienced in Miyagi-DO than Hawk and would do the same thing.
Cobra Kai never dies .
Bro used Movieflame music but Kenny > S2 Miggy
Like the video bro!
Appreciate it
in my opinion Kenny is nothing to hawk if he never got silver bullet
Actually everything fvcking fax broo!!!!! 🔥
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Kenny could beat Bert bro. Bert started his training in cobra kai season 1 but still Kenny is better fighter than him.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GIVES KENNY THE RESPECT HE DESERVES
He fr getting disrespected by the whole community
My favorit charcter in Cobra Kai is Kenny
@@Glorius_moose6784 you say that like Hawk wasn't pulling his punches and Kenmy didnt use illegal moves with a paid off ref 😭 if Hawk tried from the start Kenny would have gotten destroyed 💀
Miguel s2 is better than Kenny though
personally, i can never see Kenny being on level with someone like Miguel but i guess we’ll see
The fact he won hawk is to use the Silver Bullet Methods
I hate kenny but i must admit that the dwarf has good skills, however Hawk and Robby held back when they fought kenny, a proof of this was when kenny fights Miguel and he couldn't even touch Miguel, Miguel showed the dwarf who he is the champion.
why u hate Kenny dude 😶
KENNY is strong but hawk is stronger and have more experience
Everyone mean to Kenny just because he beaten hawk like that’s not fair you win or lose
Still if hawk was trying he would have destroyed Kenny, Miguel in the final fight literally clapped Kenny, and Miguel scales to Robby in which Robby scales to hawk
can you make a video on Kenny vs Demetri?
Hawk fanboys bro lol 💀
Music name?
One of the best!
Seeing people cry and saying he has plot armor is funny. The same people didn't care when Miguel, Robby and Hawk became the best fighters in the valley in a couple of months. As a matter of fact, Robby was the least experienced, but he was the strongest. Kenny's downplay comes from a place of butthurt, not facts.
It's not fair to say that elbow Kenny used would be fine in a street fight because Hawk likely didn't see it coming as it's a very clearly illegal move lmao
In my opinion kenny is a good fighter and has the most potential but he shouldn’t be able to touch miguel robby or hawk due to there experience and in the hawk vs kenny fight hawk wasn’t even trying while kenny was and the thing that annoys me is the silver bullet should be easy to counter due to hawk and Robby’s defence therefore if hawk was trying 100 percent kenny wouldn’t stand a chance and I’m not a kenny hater but all I’m saying is that he shouldn’t be near the level of the main 3 and the writers only buffed kenny because he was the only good fighter left in cobra Kai so it was also partly plot armour but I respect ur opinion
Bro 😂😂. It’s like football, if the ref had given hawk the point the fight would’ve been 1-1 making it a different game and plus, the elbow is an illegal move so it doesn’t really matter, Hawk should have won
Kenny didn't scale to his opponents at all like we saw with Miguel his opponents didn't want to hurt him
I never said he scales to Miguel, only that he was able to withstand his attacks
Then in S6 He's back to fodder again
The durability part eh I guess he got up but he was almost in tears
Keep saying that to ur self lol
Hawk was not even trying
He was at some points but I agree what you are saying also I noticed they didn't analyse the pool fight or dojo fight where Miguel and hawk destroyed him
I wouldn't say Hawk wasn't trying but he was holding back for sure
I think he's the 6th or 7th best teen fighter in the verse
Demetri Slams Kenny!!!!
in ur dreams fanboy
Hmm maybe
Kenny was just hella annoying in season 5
Yeah he was but when it comes to scaling, you have to be objective but too many ppl in the community get in their feelings and just downplay kenny
Yea true but that don’t gotta do with his fighting
Hawk was holding back tho. Eli Slams no-low diff
Fax
Kenny S5 is Robby/Sam S3 Level
demetri still solos
Fax Demetri is way better than kenny
Hawk s5 is holding back against kenny though until he put silver bullet even kyler did much against
Miyagi do hawk than kenny did
And kenny need 3 4 gangs to beat
Robby who was holding back
And look in s6 even miguel while holding back beaten s6 kenny
So s5 kenny sucks as fighter in general
Hawk wins easy against Kenny and they nerfed hawk because if hawk was not nerfed he would of won quick and the freferee was paid hawk was not even trying but i will say Kenny is strong and only trained a few months and can defeat other cobra kai students and is one of the top 20
Top 20? Name me 10 students better than kenny right now
@@LeReem bro he’s just capping he’s salty bout hawk loosing still
@@LeReem hawk miguel robby sam tory demetri devon kinda. Not ten but 7
@@PyrozCapcutKenny slams Devon Mid diff
Robby every season solos bro
Your kindness is a balm to all who encounter it.
Bro all he did was block 1 punch from eli and your counting that as Eli using both styles nah that wasn’t proper karate as we can clearly see eli left himself open easily and he didn’t even bother to use his other hand so no eli barely tried in the third round
How on earth did you know his name is Jake?
Stop saying kenny wins season 1 and 2 they did that for hawk as well he dose not win
Kenny >>>> Faux Hawk
Kenny sucks bro idk what the heck u r talking about he is just plot armor
Cry