UPDATE: I've already heard some good evidence for RET & Windwalker to possibly be up 1 tier because they fit into the skirmish vibe of the new DEEPWIND and ARATHI BASIN playstyles. what do you think? UPDATE 2: I DO want to bring them both up a tier, ret's ability to lay on hand/spell bop/bop/sac/sanc in a skirmish or bubble wings an FC or orbs on temple seems way too good. Congrats on the honorary tier upgrade to WW & RET!
Best f.ckin tier list so far. You know why? Bc you sound like you know what youre talking about. You actually explain why these classes are in the tier you put them in giving actual examples and scenarios. You even mentioned abilities I didn't know certain classes could do. You didn't just say "Its really strong" and left it at that.
Great list, in addition to these changes I feel like SP deserves to be moved up a tier for team fight damage and 1v1 ability, stun, silence, fear chain is real brutal and bringing MD to fights is huge to shut down other classes too.
Only big disagreement I have is Prot Warr right now. It's absolutely nuts and outdamages all of the other tanks, and it isn't even close. Second wind with high base DR carries skirmishing. It's only big weakness is flag carrying as Dragon Charge has reduced movespeed while carrying, and heavy mage/priest/warlock teams which is just the luck of the draw but a problem for all tanks generally. After having messed around with all the tanks in RBGs, Prot just rolls any flag spinning map over and over. Bear definitely better overall though. Also, Temple of Kotmogu Pwar feels pretty meh.
@@malsmythicmanmodes7478 well, every prot war on the bg blitz leaderboard has a negative win loss, the highest one is 1300, and I've never seen one in a high mmr game yet. so I'd prob keep it this low haha
absolutely agreed. I literally have a new mantra on my stream where I make sure to checkpvp to see if someone is brand new to pvp in bg blitz when I q into them and then I try and be as accommodating as humanly possible. it happened 3 times in the last vod lmao. I realize there's a real shot to actually bring life back to the pvp community, and I'm going to try and take it.
@@Flarkness and there's ppl that will do the opposite sadly 😢... Pushing them away from PvP... Some ppl don't realize that the more players there are, the healthier the game is.
Enjoyed watching this as mostly a PVE player with very occasional PVP. Just comical how different this list is (and hearing the reasoning behind it which is more interesting and important). Good job!
thank you so much, I've been trying so hard with the content stuff again and I've got two new videos recording today. I hope they are as useful or entertaining as the last. thank you for being here!
Probably the most objective pvp tier list out there rn A classes ability to play the map and their ease of use are the only factors I would of considered Other than that great work
yeah I might actually make a most fun / most easy to get into tier list since bg blitz content seems so successful rn. I tried really hard to make the right decisions, and where I got wrong (pinned msg: ret & ww) I tried to update it quickly and accordingly.
Man it’s crazy the number of bangers you released on your channel lately. After this one I have ret pvp guide to watch and frost dk to make a choice on my main. Huge gz for the work man 💪
This was an excellent video! Greatly enjoyed it, and I’m glad you’ve been adding more and more non-DK-centric content recently. Keep up the good work! Shuffle tier list next please
At 1900 rated I literally stealthed up to 3 people knocked them back ice walled capped a base and held it till I got full cap. I feel like mage is in a great place atm in any spec. Another one I just did was warstomp into mass polymorph into dragons breath ring of frost knockback cap.
jesus true mass polymorph knockback ring of frost literally is just multiple mass CC options on cluttered points. it's possible both of the other specs (since I already had frost at S) could be brought up a tier. that is WILD.
I was watching your stream when you said blitz might ruin pvp, I am so glad you gave it a chance! It's so much fun, thank you for making guides for it :)
my original thought would be the RBG population would just be the new BG blitz population, so therefore it'd still be dead but without 10 man guild groups and a bunch of toxic solo experience. that has COMPLETELY changed as I underestimated the amount of random BG and even pve players who would try a rated BG blitz variant, and that has made it so much more enticing for me!
@@Flarkness the main reasons RBG's are dead have nothing to do with the gameplay. It's 1. Impossible to get into groups without high cr/exp and 2. Impossible to keep groups together because people leave after one loss. Removing those two factors is going to be huge.
Amazing in-depth, and at the same time concise video! First of all: One of the best tier lists for PvP I have seen, so kudos to that! Now let me make a case for some of those classes, where I think they earned a little higher, or lower spot (basically very subjective and not a knock on your opinion): UH DK: Knowing what your class can do best has to be a key factor to winning and UH DK is a perfect node defender since you have a freaking DK there + a pet! And they are such great FC pursuer too. I think they are S tier. Fury: The self sustain, ability to stick to your target thanks to charge, leaps + root / snare immunity HAS to make it better than Arms and B tier! And I really believe that they do the most insane DMG, more than any other melee right now, except maybe Feral, who will surely get the nerf hammer Ret: Very good points, only thing I want to say is, they are literally a ranged class now and they protect FCs like NO other DPS. Outlaw: Also very good points, but I can't agree with the rationale that it is C Tier. Because stealth is so op, and it's still a Rogue, you said it yourself. It has to be A tier automatically, no matter how much better the other to specs are. MM: I managed to do over 90 yards with ~60% mastery imgur.com/DXpwLwz Mage: Frost is definitely S tier, at least with the bonkers dmg they have in beta right now, maybe A tier after nerfs, but one thing that most people also ignore is, that they can put down food, now this seems stupid maybe, but at very high level of gameplay that has to be a tipping scale? Maybe I am insane for saying this though. I would also rate the other specs lower, agreed. SP: Very very depending on the individual player. A very good SP is just insane, but inexperienced players cannot do the massive dmg. Very hard to tierlist. MW: Very good points, just that cocoon is trash tier right now on beta, but this is just tuning I guess.
fantastic and well argued list! let me try to respond to each one. unholy: I like unholy on FC a lot, that's a great point. I don't like them at a base as much because that is stopping them from using their absurd DK toolkit. maybe to take a base in a 2v2 and then dip? it's a tough call. I do like their pressure on FC tho, that is absolutely true. fury: I could see it maybe, but I think they had all those tools last expansion and weren't that insane in RBGs, possible that their DMG profile and quickness has only been amplified by hero talents in the way they need? ret: I actually bumped ret up a tier in the pinned message already! I DO think I underrated them because there are a lot more skirms and 2v2s and 3v3s in BG blitz than RBGs!! outlaw: there was another comment here that also gave outlaw some love with its movement speed buffs and long subterfuge and some other powerful tools, so I agree, prob A tier as a result. MM: that's wild! of course we won't have 60% mastery for a long time I think because of starting out with much lower secondary stats, but that is totally nuts. Mage: yeah true, that gives DPS a way to recover at a base and that is a fantastic tool, I'm not sure if I'd bump them up a tier as a result but just further cements frost mage's jack of all trades S tier rating. SP: I struggled with how they would work in skirms, 2v2s, 3v3s, quick paced smaller group fights and movement. do you have any way of solving these issues? MW: yeah that has to be tuning. it always goes through like 50 changes numbers-wise over an expac. if they left it trash the entire expac, I'd be baffled.
I agree with your reasoning, simply putting fury on S because it can do good damage if it connects makes no sense when we have sub control, dh aoe wounds, assa cleave, feral versatility, and Dk, doing DK stuff //feral main
yeah it seems like it would struggle to do other things as well strictly in a battleground blitz setting. it could 1v1 I guess but it could die or be cc'd. it can team fight but like you said it gets peeled and disrupted and kited. it can't defend a node against most specs and it's single target burst probably doesn't outweigh all of that. but the great thing is, we will all be surprised by a few specs I'm sure and their insane value. who knows which ones they will be?!
Frost mage is straight up S tier man. It does insane damage and has insane utility and CC it can also sit bases and be unkillable if played perfectly. It’s better than Boomkin, I feel like it replaces Boomkin as there are less players in BG blitz so the fights are smaller making Boomkin pad less valuable. I think Boomkin is more of an A class nowadays
Druid stealth almost makes it S tier by itself. They’ve got a shit load of cc and knocks as well. (Not even mentioning the large damage for team fights)
I used to shot call on FDK in RBGs back in the day. I knew it was gonna go S tier and it's even crazier right now since it's actually good and not relying on gimmicks like legendaries. Even Chill Streak has utility built into it. The stun being built into the Dragon is just bonkers. I'm gonna be playing Assa Rogue though. My favorite thing to do in the game is shut down casters.
A a Survival player, I totally agree with B tier. Surv can be weird at times, most of the times you are kitting and nuking targets with explosive shots and bombs. When it comes to ninja bases s really good but it requires a bit of skill IMO. I think what makes it really good is that using bursting and High Explosive Trap is way easier making it a menace when fighting near a cliff.
the knock is a really good point, I gave ele a big nod because of knock, but of course survival has one too and it's role as a skirmisher makes the knock even more valuable sometimes to just cap and defend different points. surv A tier almost a possibility?
outlaw is the fastest rogue spec. 30 percent move speed all the time. sprint is always up due to cdr. grappling hook plus double grappling hook depending on hero talents. also the hardest rogue spec to kill in time fights due to cdr on all defensives. also double vanish is better then one shadowdance we had before. serves same purpose as we have 6 second subterfuge now. also we have more access to cheap shot stuff then before as shadow dance was not affected by restlessblades vanish is and we have two charges of vanish now
@@Flarkness yeah I think A or as good depending on your playstyle. I think sub or assination are better at hit or run but I think outlaw is better at just pure brawling due to its cdr. also the tankiness helps alot if you get hunters marked or can't vanish for whatever reason
+50% in stealth with the right talent. The CD reduction is a good argument, as you can livelord a good bit with evasion and vanish coming back up so often.
Really want to learn rogue. Im coming back and i heard its one of the hardest but most impactful classes. Dk looks very enticing but the tuning seems to be so sporadic for frost.
Honestly rogue has a low skill floor, at least on mid rating. It's not that hard to get good results. It's high skill expression is when trying to make plays vs 2-3 players at a time. But that's not something you'll need when starting out
I’m high on ww copium. It’s always gotten a bad wrap in bgs but historically I can easily top dam in team fights win 1v2 (not against rogues xD) para can still force CDs or a kill. High mobi and immortal in skirmishes if you port well. Maybe it’s bc I’m 29xp and gotten r1 parses in mythic but I’m a big believer that I can do work on ww. The dmg profile is amazing in all situations in and out of CDs. Basically it’s a budget dh with less frequent burst and higher sustain. You can still 100-0 most things without a trinket. Also also wdp aoe knock is a a rarely dr’d stop that actually lasts a good while.
yeah as I played battleground blitz yesterday on stream I started to realize more and more how much a 2v2 or 3v3 spec could actually be way more of a thing (unlike in RBGs where that was less prio) which really lets windwalker shine. maybe going to be the most underrated spec on this list.
@@Flarknessthat makes sense ya. It’s definitely a worse option than others in a big brawl infinite team fight but if the bracket ends up as scrappy as I hope then a good ww can have a lot of value live lording and constant high swap potential. Probably lower skill ww is C tier tho if you aren’t doing the in and out stuff. We will see haha but I’m gonna try hard not to reroll to dh XD
yeah priest's complete lack of mobility will hurt it in higher mmr battleground blitz. I think at lower mmr it can actually tank and keep a small group alive insanely well, so maybe that will feel better. it's all speculation though!
Yo flark, I'm planning to run boomy because of the versatility. For blitz, do you suggest spending most of my time team fighting (pad) or node taking? Just in general, I its sorta situation specific.
boomy is so absolutely excellent at both you're just going to have to see your team comp. lots of rogues or other druids, maybe let them take bases. OR, if the enemy team isn't even playing hard for a team fight then just skirmish the entire game. you're right, it is absolutely situational.
holy paladins have some pretty good instant cast aoe healing with beacon of faith which also proc's saved by the light on everyone with faith and it tends to be about a 20% hp shield to anyone who goes below 50% hp. theres mass devo aura 2 aoe blinds, 2 freedoms 2 bops. It deserves like B maybe A
alright so hear me out on spriest. in a vacuum youre right about low punishment for dispelling dots. but the only other classes with MD are priests which you put at low tiers which most likely correlates to low population. which leaves individual dispels which is more punishing for sure. and IF there is an aff lock on your team id say we jump to A tier easily. also the way current spriest plays its not so much about cleave like it once was, it seems to be more about high single target priority damage and frequent swaps with a ton of small gos. which makes synergizing with melees a lot easier and more effective. ranged stun, ranged silence on low cds. vamperic embrace and archon tree with halo brings a lot to a teamfight, fade on such a low cd to dodge important spells. it seems to me that you would have to get extremely unlucky with team comps in order to make spriest as bad as you make it seem. their weaknesses get made up for pretty easily by other classes. not to mention they are insane in smaller skirms right now 2v2s, 3v3s. also final small thing they now have 2 schools of magic which makes getting trained down by melee cleaves a little more difficult for them if you can force their kicks on the school you dont need at the moment
necro aura definitely would have value but I think your team fight prowess is already so good we might be able to play around with other options like delirium to make it even more difficult for people to maneuver the map. also we might get a few new pvp talents eventually, cause rot and wither literally does nothing.
One thing to remember...classes that have been OP in RBGs for ages will start getting omega nerfs. Like Revival only clearing 3 players so it's not affecting arena.
I think arcane belongs on A tier better than fire but frost is BiS Other than that this is a solid list. I feel like hero talents might move some of this stuff around maybe or maybe not we’ll see
yeah another person in the comments talked about mass polymorph and knock ring as crazy tools to capture cluttered nodes. I could see the other 2 mage specs possibly being higher!
Does AE damage really trump all other abilities in BG Blitz that they become only icing-on-a-cake considerations in most BG Blitz tier lists? I really don't know as I haven't played in years but considering a comeback. From what I have read, BG Blitz was created to have more focus on objectives rather than KDA. An example is WSG. Even King-of-the-Hill BG Blitz seems more objective oriented. But these tier lists are about 90% DPS 10% utility.
well, not entirely. if you look at S tier every single class there is there because of extreme mobility or anti-mobility. (which isn't damage) sub rogue is there because of exactly utility and nothing else (not damage). and all of the healers are there because of their ability to instantly get to any point and be impactful whether it's skirms or team fights. classes like fury and arms actually DO have extremely high AoE burst, but it's not super applicable in a BG blitz setting. it's not paddy, it's not always available, and it's easily peeled or kited or disrupted. so I don't think like m+ dmg is a criteria, but certainly being able to instantly provide pressure on multiple people at once reliably is.
Dev is defo S-tier, scale warden is great for AB/DWG and flag carry maps but ppl also sleeping on the flameshaper build for confined sustained team fights like gilneas and mines. The sheer amount of AOE burst you can do with everyone stacked firebreath into engulf and pyres completely eclipses the damage you do as scale warden with disintegrate spam and ZERO casting so you don't worry about Interrupts. You can then free up a PvP talent and do funny shit like take swoop up and fly the an enemy healer into your melee pack or deep breath LOS wall them off if they sit max range. So much utility impact you can have on top of your enormous game winning damage especially if you have a DK in your group with half a brain!
You forgot to mention grounding for ele utility. It's one of the most powerful PVP talents in the game. Absorbing 3 seconds worth of spells in a 30 yd radius is insane by itself, but then it is also on a 30 second CD. Compare that to the Brewmaster talent that allows them to also redirect spells. It's over double the duration and has a 40 yd range, but it can be cc'd and has a two and a half minute CD! And you don't even immune the damage. You can say resto has it too, but if you have both an ele and a resto sham, that's even better.
grounding is a fantastic point and absolutely a great tool. you can even reset grounding and stop an entire set of caster offensive cooldowns if you want. you're right in both ele and rsham benefit from that heavily.
I struggled so hard with that, because it's still a rogue, but is sub not better in every conceivable way? and ofc assassination brings the pad and pressure esp to like an FC now that battleground blitz brings the stun dmg reduction effect for flag carriers. now you just want overwhelming unpeelable single target burst... assassination is perfect for this!
If outlaw could put out single target burst or even do decent damage it would be worth it but it’s like having the hardest carry might as well 7 or 9 man it
Just wanted to add that dev and assass can also destroy efcs. Also I didn’t know about Rdruid getting buffed. They were awful in rbgs just a month ago, I didn’t know they were out healing mws now but I haven’t played much at all in the last month or so.
I need help :( I see sun rogue as S tier in every video, I can’t seem to find a good rotation to pump dmg. Nobody wants to be a cc robot. We need to have killing power. I can’t seem to do much with sub rogue at the moment. How are they S tier everywhere I look. Fully conquest geared btw, not a gear issue. See builds with thistle tea, some without and using cold blood to pair with secret tech. Seen some builds with flagellation…. Nothing seems to do more dmg than assassination. I cannot 1v1 anyone, seems underpowered.
sweeping strikes sharpen absolutely is a tool I might not have given enough credit. I'm not sure if bolstering arms aoe pressure even higher though is what it needs, no? it seems like it will still suffer in skirms, getting to nodes alive, or out of nodes alive, etc etc.
Ret might be higher simply bc you are probably looking at a lot of smaller skirmishes in a lot of blitz. In small battles with 1 or no healers ret will be a huge difference maker. Lay on hands, off heals, bops. I agree in team battles though.
that's a super great point, and a good argument for A tier ret. it does have fantastic utility for exactly quick paced 2v2s and 3v3s. if they can put themselves in that situation, I see A tier for sure. unlike RBGs, battleground blitz has a lot more of that.
Boomy has the perfect kit for RBG but if its the worst time for a boomy in pve doing so sub-par dmg i though it would hace an efect on the rbg side. Like all proplayers for M+ putting bala on the worse of the worst rn and even on M+ boomy alwayd were really good. Hmmm
yeah I just can't see a world where boomy stays low damage for very long, and when it's brought up to speed in PVE, it's damage profile is so fantastic in battleground blitz no matter where it is (team fight, nodes, skirm off point) that it will be good. it seems like the safest S tier I have outside of sub rogue.
DH is in my opinion lower much lower actually, very squishy e group fight, Discpriest is my main and it is on point for Blitz unfortunately, wont die but it is very situational to help.
Yes, Voidweaver hero tree has the talent "Devour Matter" which makes SW:D do 225% extra damage vs shields. You are going to cocoon people who are already low, which is where SW:D does its greatest damage. It will be insane vs shields, but then again, most shielding healers are not high in the blitz tier list anyway. You will wreck cocoon and stone bulwark totem at least.
I would have to disagree on the point about demo lock pets being peelable. Imps are ranged and most demos will also go implosion. Tyrant is ranged the the new diabolist capstone demon will be ranged as well. Felguard has intercept and dreadstalkers are very swift. This combined with demo’s mortal strike effect and massive control/cc + tankiness makes demo a good BG Blitz spec in my humble opinion 😊
could work! demo actually had all of those tools EXCEPT the diabolist tree (which I'm also VERY VERY high on) last expansion and they weren't super good. so it's really up to the diabolist tree to be the difference maker I think. but I called it my number 1 best hero talent in my other video so it's possible that happens!
Hey Flarky, pretty fair what you ranked and said about Affi Lock....you did forget to mention the sexy AOE stun that put your Frost Dk into S tier....haha...nah but seriously A tier is a fair call.
there's a little note in the outro, I put it at ? tier or B tier because it's a support class that has only been around for the dying half of the last expansion. xD
I havent Played WoW in a long time looking was looking forward to this game mode but Not really sure what class to pick if I just want to have fun. Hopped in on a Fistweaver and got chewed out even though I had the most healing in the match by like 15 mil. I just kinda want to play a class that has value and not really have to worry about getting hate :(. any suggestions for that
they're foolish for hating on you for playing FW. fw has all the same tools of caster monk but loses a little bit of agency in skirmish. but you still have cocoon and revival as panic tools so it doesn't really matter. I bet FW's will be getting tons of rating in battleground blitz if it has the same output that it had last expac.
It got nerfed to three magical effects, but that's still damn strong because the PVP talent makes you immune to magic damage and effects for a 2-sec duration. Perfect for recovery.
good call, but yes like the other commenter said it's 3 so it will take off 3 things, make you immune, and give you a huge heal. you're absolutely right that that's not as good as a full clear no question, but it should still be the insanely powerful tool it needs to be.
yeah literally looks insane, someone else mentioned double aoe cc with mass poly and mass knock into mass ring which really does seem like a way to cap on 2-3 people in a skirmish.
@ziggs123 I don't know if I would say cc is bad. Aoe fear, aoe root, aoe horror, ranged stun, and MC to temporarily remove a healer from a team fight or walk someone off a ledge is pretty good. It just lacks a bit of survivability in group fights, mobility, and dispel protection. The damage is actually really good now with the insanity buffs.
Why do you put outlaw to C tier just because other rogues specs do better, when he belongs to B tier according to you? Just because there are other specs to one class, people might not want to play with the other specs. For example. If I want to play a melee FERAL and balance is better, I won't play balance instead just because it is stronger, but keep playing feral or move to other spec like any other melee. EDIT: Personally for me rogue is too complicated. But I always like outlaw somewhat. If I want to play outlaw, i would play outlaw and would not care about sub and assa's performance.
there's actually another comment here about outlaw giving it some ways of standing out through persistent passive movement speed and showing off how subterfuge can be so valuable making a good argument for A tier.
I main windwalker, it sucks in rbg, good in 1v1 but rogue is our counter and bommy is hard to one shot. Ww is very opposing team comp dependant. With no stealth on enemy team, ww is good on base maps. But for everything else that monks are good dh do it better... My team made me switch to dh...
You clearly wernt around when implosion was a thing for demo locks. Those days were extremely fun lol. One shot people by exploding all the imps you summoned. They were god tier for a short amount of time. (You said never) 😅
ah yeah to be fair I do remember legion demo lock I got hero a couple seasons of legion but I don't remember qing into many of em. it was so long ago. I just played fdk lmao
@Flarkness I think also they had an aoe channel ability that padded the hell out of the meters. Good times. Oh also warrior was S tier once upon a time when deep wounds was aoe spread with thunder clap, around the same time fire nova enhance shamans topped meters as well. I want to say WoD. Those were the days!
UPDATE: I've already heard some good evidence for RET & Windwalker to possibly be up 1 tier because they fit into the skirmish vibe of the new DEEPWIND and ARATHI BASIN playstyles. what do you think? UPDATE 2: I DO want to bring them both up a tier, ret's ability to lay on hand/spell bop/bop/sac/sanc in a skirmish or bubble wings an FC or orbs on temple seems way too good. Congrats on the honorary tier upgrade to WW & RET!
Best f.ckin tier list so far. You know why? Bc you sound like you know what youre talking about. You actually explain why these classes are in the tier you put them in giving actual examples and scenarios. You even mentioned abilities I didn't know certain classes could do. You didn't just say "Its really strong" and left it at that.
Great list, in addition to these changes I feel like SP deserves to be moved up a tier for team fight damage and 1v1 ability, stun, silence, fear chain is real brutal and bringing MD to fights is huge to shut down other classes too.
Only big disagreement I have is Prot Warr right now. It's absolutely nuts and outdamages all of the other tanks, and it isn't even close. Second wind with high base DR carries skirmishing. It's only big weakness is flag carrying as Dragon Charge has reduced movespeed while carrying, and heavy mage/priest/warlock teams which is just the luck of the draw but a problem for all tanks generally. After having messed around with all the tanks in RBGs, Prot just rolls any flag spinning map over and over. Bear definitely better overall though. Also, Temple of Kotmogu Pwar feels pretty meh.
@@malsmythicmanmodes7478 well, every prot war on the bg blitz leaderboard has a negative win loss, the highest one is 1300, and I've never seen one in a high mmr game yet. so I'd prob keep it this low haha
Not even a huge PvP guy but I wanna comment to add support. Your videos are so informative and in depth.
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I'm very excited with the amount of pve gamers keen to play blitz. It really will be great for the pvp community overall.
absolutely agreed. I literally have a new mantra on my stream where I make sure to checkpvp to see if someone is brand new to pvp in bg blitz when I q into them and then I try and be as accommodating as humanly possible. it happened 3 times in the last vod lmao. I realize there's a real shot to actually bring life back to the pvp community, and I'm going to try and take it.
@@Flarkness and there's ppl that will do the opposite sadly 😢... Pushing them away from PvP... Some ppl don't realize that the more players there are, the healthier the game is.
I am one of those people, but I was gonna play disc :/
@@NartrachGaming ^ This. Numbers make the game.
Enjoyed watching this as mostly a PVE player with very occasional PVP. Just comical how different this list is (and hearing the reasoning behind it which is more interesting and important). Good job!
I gotta be honest, you are the Datto (destiny 2 masiah) of world of warcraft in my opinion. You nail every single video i've seen. Good work dude
thank you so much, I've been trying so hard with the content stuff again and I've got two new videos recording today. I hope they are as useful or entertaining as the last. thank you for being here!
Incredible video. Love your justifications and in depth review. Thank you
Love your in depth justifications for why you are putting each spec in each tier
Probably the most objective pvp tier list out there rn
A classes ability to play the map and their ease of use are the only factors I would of considered
Other than that great work
yeah I might actually make a most fun / most easy to get into tier list since bg blitz content seems so successful rn. I tried really hard to make the right decisions, and where I got wrong (pinned msg: ret & ww) I tried to update it quickly and accordingly.
Big Fan of the Content. Enjoyed the DK stuff. Glad you are branching out now. Keep it up.
Man it’s crazy the number of bangers you released on your channel lately.
After this one I have ret pvp guide to watch and frost dk to make a choice on my main.
Huge gz for the work man 💪
Exactly what I was looking for and loved the analysis and reasoning, and openness to feedback. Subbed!
This was an excellent video! Greatly enjoyed it, and I’m glad you’ve been adding more and more non-DK-centric content recently. Keep up the good work! Shuffle tier list next please
if there's enough attention and desire, I will absolutely make the shuffle/arena tier list next.
Love the non-DK centric content but we still the DK content too. His DK content is top notch.
At 1900 rated I literally stealthed up to 3 people knocked them back ice walled capped a base and held it till I got full cap. I feel like mage is in a great place atm in any spec. Another one I just did was warstomp into mass polymorph into dragons breath ring of frost knockback cap.
jesus true mass polymorph knockback ring of frost literally is just multiple mass CC options on cluttered points. it's possible both of the other specs (since I already had frost at S) could be brought up a tier. that is WILD.
Glad I found this video! MM Hunter feels bad now but I'm looking forward to lvl 80 pvp.
I was watching your stream when you said blitz might ruin pvp, I am so glad you gave it a chance! It's so much fun, thank you for making guides for it :)
my original thought would be the RBG population would just be the new BG blitz population, so therefore it'd still be dead but without 10 man guild groups and a bunch of toxic solo experience. that has COMPLETELY changed as I underestimated the amount of random BG and even pve players who would try a rated BG blitz variant, and that has made it so much more enticing for me!
@@Flarkness the main reasons RBG's are dead have nothing to do with the gameplay. It's 1. Impossible to get into groups without high cr/exp and 2. Impossible to keep groups together because people leave after one loss. Removing those two factors is going to be huge.
Amazing in-depth, and at the same time concise video! First of all: One of the best tier lists for PvP I have seen, so kudos to that!
Now let me make a case for some of those classes, where I think they earned a little higher, or lower spot (basically very subjective and not a knock on your opinion):
UH DK: Knowing what your class can do best has to be a key factor to winning and UH DK is a perfect node defender since you have a freaking DK there + a pet! And they are such great FC pursuer too. I think they are S tier.
Fury: The self sustain, ability to stick to your target thanks to charge, leaps + root / snare immunity HAS to make it better than Arms and B tier! And I really believe that they do the most insane DMG, more than any other melee right now, except maybe Feral, who will surely get the nerf hammer
Ret: Very good points, only thing I want to say is, they are literally a ranged class now and they protect FCs like NO other DPS.
Outlaw: Also very good points, but I can't agree with the rationale that it is C Tier. Because stealth is so op, and it's still a Rogue, you said it yourself. It has to be A tier automatically, no matter how much better the other to specs are.
MM: I managed to do over 90 yards with ~60% mastery imgur.com/DXpwLwz
Mage: Frost is definitely S tier, at least with the bonkers dmg they have in beta right now, maybe A tier after nerfs, but one thing that most people also ignore is, that they can put down food, now this seems stupid maybe, but at very high level of gameplay that has to be a tipping scale? Maybe I am insane for saying this though. I would also rate the other specs lower, agreed.
SP: Very very depending on the individual player. A very good SP is just insane, but inexperienced players cannot do the massive dmg. Very hard to tierlist.
MW: Very good points, just that cocoon is trash tier right now on beta, but this is just tuning I guess.
fantastic and well argued list! let me try to respond to each one.
unholy: I like unholy on FC a lot, that's a great point. I don't like them at a base as much because that is stopping them from using their absurd DK toolkit. maybe to take a base in a 2v2 and then dip? it's a tough call. I do like their pressure on FC tho, that is absolutely true.
fury: I could see it maybe, but I think they had all those tools last expansion and weren't that insane in RBGs, possible that their DMG profile and quickness has only been amplified by hero talents in the way they need?
ret: I actually bumped ret up a tier in the pinned message already! I DO think I underrated them because there are a lot more skirms and 2v2s and 3v3s in BG blitz than RBGs!!
outlaw: there was another comment here that also gave outlaw some love with its movement speed buffs and long subterfuge and some other powerful tools, so I agree, prob A tier as a result.
MM: that's wild! of course we won't have 60% mastery for a long time I think because of starting out with much lower secondary stats, but that is totally nuts.
Mage: yeah true, that gives DPS a way to recover at a base and that is a fantastic tool, I'm not sure if I'd bump them up a tier as a result but just further cements frost mage's jack of all trades S tier rating.
SP: I struggled with how they would work in skirms, 2v2s, 3v3s, quick paced smaller group fights and movement. do you have any way of solving these issues?
MW: yeah that has to be tuning. it always goes through like 50 changes numbers-wise over an expac. if they left it trash the entire expac, I'd be baffled.
Instantly subscribed! Excited to go back on your older videos, and see all of your new videos
The rogue commentary was legendary!
Hope you keep these going!
I agree with your reasoning, simply putting fury on S because it can do good damage if it connects makes no sense when we have sub control, dh aoe wounds, assa cleave, feral versatility, and Dk, doing DK stuff //feral main
yeah it seems like it would struggle to do other things as well strictly in a battleground blitz setting. it could 1v1 I guess but it could die or be cc'd. it can team fight but like you said it gets peeled and disrupted and kited. it can't defend a node against most specs and it's single target burst probably doesn't outweigh all of that. but the great thing is, we will all be surprised by a few specs I'm sure and their insane value. who knows which ones they will be?!
@@Flarkness Yeah, hopefully there will be some wildcards!
Damn good breakdown of the tierlist man! ❤
most fun tier list video of the new expansion!
Frost mage is straight up S tier man. It does insane damage and has insane utility and CC it can also sit bases and be unkillable if played perfectly. It’s better than Boomkin, I feel like it replaces Boomkin as there are less players in BG blitz so the fights are smaller making Boomkin pad less valuable. I think Boomkin is more of an A class nowadays
Yeah hopefully nerfed and fire buffed a bit.
Druid stealth almost makes it S tier by itself. They’ve got a shit load of cc and knocks as well. (Not even mentioning the large damage for team fights)
I used to shot call on FDK in RBGs back in the day. I knew it was gonna go S tier and it's even crazier right now since it's actually good and not relying on gimmicks like legendaries. Even Chill Streak has utility built into it. The stun being built into the Dragon is just bonkers.
I'm gonna be playing Assa Rogue though. My favorite thing to do in the game is shut down casters.
A a Survival player, I totally agree with B tier. Surv can be weird at times, most of the times you are kitting and nuking targets with explosive shots and bombs. When it comes to ninja bases s really good but it requires a bit of skill IMO. I think what makes it really good is that using bursting and High Explosive Trap is way easier making it a menace when fighting near a cliff.
the knock is a really good point, I gave ele a big nod because of knock, but of course survival has one too and it's role as a skirmisher makes the knock even more valuable sometimes to just cap and defend different points. surv A tier almost a possibility?
Great video mate! Keep it up :). How about augmentation evokers?
Great video, thanks for making this!
thanks flark, informative as always.
outlaw is the fastest rogue spec. 30 percent move speed all the time. sprint is always up due to cdr. grappling hook plus double grappling hook depending on hero talents. also the hardest rogue spec to kill in time fights due to cdr on all defensives. also double vanish is better then one shadowdance we had before. serves same purpose as we have 6 second subterfuge now. also we have more access to cheap shot stuff then before as shadow dance was not affected by restlessblades vanish is and we have two charges of vanish now
this... is actually a very good argument for outlaw. honestly exactly what I was asking for. so what do you think, A? or is it as good?
@@Flarkness yeah I think A or as good depending on your playstyle. I think sub or assination are better at hit or run but I think outlaw is better at just pure brawling due to its cdr. also the tankiness helps alot if you get hunters marked or can't vanish for whatever reason
+50% in stealth with the right talent. The CD reduction is a good argument, as you can livelord a good bit with evasion and vanish coming back up so often.
Really want to learn rogue. Im coming back and i heard its one of the hardest but most impactful classes. Dk looks very enticing but the tuning seems to be so sporadic for frost.
Honestly rogue has a low skill floor, at least on mid rating. It's not that hard to get good results. It's high skill expression is when trying to make plays vs 2-3 players at a time. But that's not something you'll need when starting out
@@Iuslez that's what I like. Good to hear thanks brotha.
I’m high on ww copium. It’s always gotten a bad wrap in bgs but historically I can easily top dam in team fights win 1v2 (not against rogues xD) para can still force CDs or a kill. High mobi and immortal in skirmishes if you port well. Maybe it’s bc I’m 29xp and gotten r1 parses in mythic but I’m a big believer that I can do work on ww. The dmg profile is amazing in all situations in and out of CDs. Basically it’s a budget dh with less frequent burst and higher sustain. You can still 100-0 most things without a trinket. Also also wdp aoe knock is a a rarely dr’d stop that actually lasts a good while.
yeah as I played battleground blitz yesterday on stream I started to realize more and more how much a 2v2 or 3v3 spec could actually be way more of a thing (unlike in RBGs where that was less prio) which really lets windwalker shine. maybe going to be the most underrated spec on this list.
@@Flarknessthat makes sense ya. It’s definitely a worse option than others in a big brawl infinite team fight but if the bracket ends up as scrappy as I hope then a good ww can have a lot of value live lording and constant high swap potential. Probably lower skill ww is C tier tho if you aren’t doing the in and out stuff. We will see haha but I’m gonna try hard not to reroll to dh XD
Always like your insight.
Cool! I’m playing monk and mage , soooooo I’m loving my outlook.
you are in a VERY good spot my man.
VIDEO IDEA: Which hero talent is looking better for PvP for each spec. Love your content!
They need to make healing priests be movable in FORM and move at 100 percent speed.
yeah priest's complete lack of mobility will hurt it in higher mmr battleground blitz. I think at lower mmr it can actually tank and keep a small group alive insanely well, so maybe that will feel better. it's all speculation though!
@@Flarkness Disc priest will be pumping damage! What it lacks in mobility will be supported by the pressure created from the damage and haste
You make great informative videos
your content is S tier thats for sure
Yo flark, I'm planning to run boomy because of the versatility. For blitz, do you suggest spending most of my time team fighting (pad) or node taking? Just in general, I its sorta situation specific.
boomy is so absolutely excellent at both you're just going to have to see your team comp. lots of rogues or other druids, maybe let them take bases. OR, if the enemy team isn't even playing hard for a team fight then just skirmish the entire game. you're right, it is absolutely situational.
holy paladins have some pretty good instant cast aoe healing with beacon of faith which also proc's saved by the light on everyone with faith and it tends to be about a 20% hp shield to anyone who goes below 50% hp. theres mass devo aura 2 aoe blinds, 2 freedoms 2 bops. It deserves like B maybe A
Awesome, thank you!
alright so hear me out on spriest. in a vacuum youre right about low punishment for dispelling dots. but the only other classes with MD are priests which you put at low tiers which most likely correlates to low population. which leaves individual dispels which is more punishing for sure. and IF there is an aff lock on your team id say we jump to A tier easily. also the way current spriest plays its not so much about cleave like it once was, it seems to be more about high single target priority damage and frequent swaps with a ton of small gos. which makes synergizing with melees a lot easier and more effective. ranged stun, ranged silence on low cds. vamperic embrace and archon tree with halo brings a lot to a teamfight, fade on such a low cd to dodge important spells. it seems to me that you would have to get extremely unlucky with team comps in order to make spriest as bad as you make it seem. their weaknesses get made up for pretty easily by other classes. not to mention they are insane in smaller skirms right now 2v2s, 3v3s. also final small thing they now have 2 schools of magic which makes getting trained down by melee cleaves a little more difficult for them if you can force their kicks on the school you dont need at the moment
Damn. Nice video, don’t even play this game anymore but kind of want to now
Love Frost Dk, I'm kinda pissed they removed Necrotic Aura though, think it could be super nice in Bg Blitz.
necro aura definitely would have value but I think your team fight prowess is already so good we might be able to play around with other options like delirium to make it even more difficult for people to maneuver the map. also we might get a few new pvp talents eventually, cause rot and wither literally does nothing.
One thing to remember...classes that have been OP in RBGs for ages will start getting omega nerfs. Like Revival only clearing 3 players so it's not affecting arena.
it's true, they could start tuning for battleground blitz specifically like they did with shuffle because it was so popular.
I think arcane belongs on A tier better than fire but frost is BiS
Other than that this is a solid list. I feel like hero talents might move some of this stuff around maybe or maybe not we’ll see
yeah another person in the comments talked about mass polymorph and knock ring as crazy tools to capture cluttered nodes. I could see the other 2 mage specs possibly being higher!
Does AE damage really trump all other abilities in BG Blitz that they become only icing-on-a-cake considerations in most BG Blitz tier lists? I really don't know as I haven't played in years but considering a comeback. From what I have read, BG Blitz was created to have more focus on objectives rather than KDA. An example is WSG. Even King-of-the-Hill BG Blitz seems more objective oriented. But these tier lists are about 90% DPS 10% utility.
well, not entirely. if you look at S tier every single class there is there because of extreme mobility or anti-mobility. (which isn't damage) sub rogue is there because of exactly utility and nothing else (not damage). and all of the healers are there because of their ability to instantly get to any point and be impactful whether it's skirms or team fights.
classes like fury and arms actually DO have extremely high AoE burst, but it's not super applicable in a BG blitz setting. it's not paddy, it's not always available, and it's easily peeled or kited or disrupted. so I don't think like m+ dmg is a criteria, but certainly being able to instantly provide pressure on multiple people at once reliably is.
Outlaw belongs in its own tier called "why would you ever play this when you could play sub?"
The style is different and both are fun.
Love your videos awesome content
when you mentioned boomkin in shadowlands, i got ptsd.. lol
Alright who the heck are you and where do you come from making all this sense in the rated battle ground scene 😭 Steir video 👏
Dev is defo S-tier, scale warden is great for AB/DWG and flag carry maps but ppl also sleeping on the flameshaper build for confined sustained team fights like gilneas and mines.
The sheer amount of AOE burst you can do with everyone stacked firebreath into engulf and pyres completely eclipses the damage you do as scale warden with disintegrate spam and ZERO casting so you don't worry about Interrupts.
You can then free up a PvP talent and do funny shit like take swoop up and fly the an enemy healer into your melee pack or deep breath LOS wall them off if they sit max range.
So much utility impact you can have on top of your enormous game winning damage especially if you have a DK in your group with half a brain!
Great video out of curiosity eng items such nitro boots can used in rated bgs?>
Hellcaller destro has only instant cast spells save for a couple of fast cast chaos bolts. Can be constantly moving with them.
that's a huge boon for them considering how destros tend to get trained. I wonder if this will bump them up even early expansion.
I just hit 2100 on my SP in Solo RBG with no issues. I think they will surprise you
very well could! what do you do that differs from my expectations?
You forgot to mention grounding for ele utility. It's one of the most powerful PVP talents in the game. Absorbing 3 seconds worth of spells in a 30 yd radius is insane by itself, but then it is also on a 30 second CD.
Compare that to the Brewmaster talent that allows them to also redirect spells. It's over double the duration and has a 40 yd range, but it can be cc'd and has a two and a half minute CD! And you don't even immune the damage.
You can say resto has it too, but if you have both an ele and a resto sham, that's even better.
grounding is a fantastic point and absolutely a great tool. you can even reset grounding and stop an entire set of caster offensive cooldowns if you want. you're right in both ele and rsham benefit from that heavily.
Finally someone who doesn’t put outlaw in A tier
I struggled so hard with that, because it's still a rogue, but is sub not better in every conceivable way? and ofc assassination brings the pad and pressure esp to like an FC now that battleground blitz brings the stun dmg reduction effect for flag carriers. now you just want overwhelming unpeelable single target burst... assassination is perfect for this!
If outlaw could put out single target burst or even do decent damage it would be worth it but it’s like having the hardest carry might as well 7 or 9 man it
@@ivartheberserker9918 yeah I've heard from a LOT of people that it's dmg profile is abysmal rn. maybe some tuning before expac will save it?
Just wanted to add that dev and assass can also destroy efcs. Also I didn’t know about Rdruid getting buffed. They were awful in rbgs just a month ago, I didn’t know they were out healing mws now but I haven’t played much at all in the last month or so.
I need help :(
I see sun rogue as S tier in every video, I can’t seem to find a good rotation to pump dmg.
Nobody wants to be a cc robot. We need to have killing power. I can’t seem to do much with sub rogue at the moment. How are they S tier everywhere I look. Fully conquest geared btw, not a gear issue.
See builds with thistle tea, some without and using cold blood to pair with secret tech. Seen some builds with flagellation…. Nothing seems to do more dmg than assassination. I cannot 1v1 anyone, seems underpowered.
is 50% sharpen blade not gonna be what's enabling kills in team fights ?
sweeping strikes sharpen absolutely is a tool I might not have given enough credit. I'm not sure if bolstering arms aoe pressure even higher though is what it needs, no? it seems like it will still suffer in skirms, getting to nodes alive, or out of nodes alive, etc etc.
sure its good in teamfight. but many maps is not about teamfight tbh, its about utlity and versatility. warrior rlly only has the zug
40:28 best part of video :D
Lots of people were putting down DH sayings it B tier must have got buffs
I don't think I've ever seen DH be B tier in RBGs, so it'd have to come with some solid evidence on why it drops so much.
You can't put spriest as c-tier because mass dispel alone is such powerful utility against paladin/mage.
Don’t underestimate windwalker transcendence shenanigans and self healing spam
for real bro priests cant move. still gonna main 1 tho cause its the most fun to me
Ret might be higher simply bc you are probably looking at a lot of smaller skirmishes in a lot of blitz. In small battles with 1 or no healers ret will be a huge difference maker. Lay on hands, off heals, bops. I agree in team battles though.
that's a super great point, and a good argument for A tier ret. it does have fantastic utility for exactly quick paced 2v2s and 3v3s. if they can put themselves in that situation, I see A tier for sure. unlike RBGs, battleground blitz has a lot more of that.
Boomy has the perfect kit for RBG but if its the worst time for a boomy in pve doing so sub-par dmg i though it would hace an efect on the rbg side. Like all proplayers for M+ putting bala on the worse of the worst rn and even on M+ boomy alwayd were really good. Hmmm
yeah I just can't see a world where boomy stays low damage for very long, and when it's brought up to speed in PVE, it's damage profile is so fantastic in battleground blitz no matter where it is (team fight, nodes, skirm off point) that it will be good. it seems like the safest S tier I have outside of sub rogue.
DH is in my opinion lower much lower actually, very squishy e group fight, Discpriest is my main and it is on point for Blitz unfortunately, wont die but it is very situational to help.
I don't think I've ever seen DH be squishy in RBGs, what survivability tools did it lose from Dragonflight that would cause this?
Doesn't shadow priest have a type of shield absorb now? If so wouldn't that pressure Mistwalkers cocoons?
Yes, Voidweaver hero tree has the talent "Devour Matter" which makes SW:D do 225% extra damage vs shields. You are going to cocoon people who are already low, which is where SW:D does its greatest damage. It will be insane vs shields, but then again, most shielding healers are not high in the blitz tier list anyway.
You will wreck cocoon and stone bulwark totem at least.
I would have to disagree on the point about demo lock pets being peelable. Imps are ranged and most demos will also go implosion. Tyrant is ranged the the new diabolist capstone demon will be ranged as well. Felguard has intercept and dreadstalkers are very swift. This combined with demo’s mortal strike effect and massive control/cc + tankiness makes demo a good BG Blitz spec in my humble opinion 😊
could work! demo actually had all of those tools EXCEPT the diabolist tree (which I'm also VERY VERY high on) last expansion and they weren't super good. so it's really up to the diabolist tree to be the difference maker I think. but I called it my number 1 best hero talent in my other video so it's possible that happens!
i play FDK, how should i start with gearing for pvp?
same every expansion run bg get honor get honor gear, get conquest get glad gear.
Is Aug evoker just a troll spec for Blitz, or why didnt u rank them ?
Feral druid is assasin + one of the best flag carriers. Definetely S tier.
Man.... I really cant decide between frost dk and fury warrior lol
Hey Flarky, pretty fair what you ranked and said about Affi Lock....you did forget to mention the sexy AOE stun that put your Frost Dk into S tier....haha...nah but seriously A tier is a fair call.
Druids are looking solid!
where is augm evoker?
there's a little note in the outro, I put it at ? tier or B tier because it's a support class that has only been around for the dying half of the last expansion. xD
mm + mastery + sniper shot is about 70 yards
whew even longer than I expected even more reason for marks hunter to be that high. feelin GOOD about that pick!
I havent Played WoW in a long time looking was looking forward to this game mode but Not really sure what class to pick if I just want to have fun. Hopped in on a Fistweaver and got chewed out even though I had the most healing in the match by like 15 mil. I just kinda want to play a class that has value and not really have to worry about getting hate :(. any suggestions for that
Depends on the role you prefer. As you can see in most tier lists, there are a higher number of viable classes/specs in PVP content than ever before.
they're foolish for hating on you for playing FW. fw has all the same tools of caster monk but loses a little bit of agency in skirmish. but you still have cocoon and revival as panic tools so it doesn't really matter. I bet FW's will be getting tons of rating in battleground blitz if it has the same output that it had last expac.
What were the queue times as solo dps in DF for blitz ranked?
very quick, like 5 minutes. it was pretty nice.
Damn frost dk it is. Do you know what you’re gonna main flark?
DK for life brother.
I love ya flark😅😅
jus my opinion - commanding shout, spear, and intervene would put warriors above assa rogue.
i'm not a pro or anything, but ele feels alright for 1v1 right now
Didn’t revival get nerfed? Only removes two magical abilities? Or was that changed back?
It got nerfed to three magical effects, but that's still damn strong because the PVP talent makes you immune to magic damage and effects for a 2-sec duration. Perfect for recovery.
good call, but yes like the other commenter said it's 3 so it will take off 3 things, make you immune, and give you a huge heal. you're absolutely right that that's not as good as a full clear no question, but it should still be the insanely powerful tool it needs to be.
@@Flarkness oh for sure! Very very strong. It will likely be my go to :P
Is deva really gonna be S tier with such low range? Please talk me out of rolling one lmao
frost mage is imo s+ if ur very skilled. oh boy u can do a lot with this class
yeah literally looks insane, someone else mentioned double aoe cc with mass poly and mass knock into mass ring which really does seem like a way to cap on 2-3 people in a skirmish.
@@Flarkness yep!
godly potential. we need a faker of wow to pull of crazy shit like this
compelete misplacement of shadow, but other seems ok
Frost mages in eye of the storm or anything with an objective is just so disruptive.
spriest is under rated in blitz
yeah I struggled so much with spriests positioning. do you have some ideas to bump it up a tier?
It's garbage. Less pressure than a warlock or ele or boomy, 0 mobility and bad cc.
@ziggs123 I don't know if I would say cc is bad. Aoe fear, aoe root, aoe horror, ranged stun, and MC to temporarily remove a healer from a team fight or walk someone off a ledge is pretty good. It just lacks a bit of survivability in group fights, mobility, and dispel protection.
The damage is actually really good now with the insanity buffs.
Why do you put outlaw to C tier just because other rogues specs do better, when he belongs to B tier according to you? Just because there are other specs to one class, people might not want to play with the other specs. For example. If I want to play a melee FERAL and balance is better, I won't play balance instead just because it is stronger, but keep playing feral or move to other spec like any other melee.
EDIT: Personally for me rogue is too complicated. But I always like outlaw somewhat. If I want to play outlaw, i would play outlaw and would not care about sub and assa's performance.
there's actually another comment here about outlaw giving it some ways of standing out through persistent passive movement speed and showing off how subterfuge can be so valuable making a good argument for A tier.
really good
Prot warrior actually looking to be the highest dps tank besides blood dk, but otherwise, yea, weaker.
Rbgs coming back should be fun, wonder if flark will go back to ddosing people again
most braindead accusation I think I've ever read.
Boomkin starsurge was nerfed by 20% in pvp in a recent blue post. That’s massive
I main windwalker, it sucks in rbg, good in 1v1 but rogue is our counter and bommy is hard to one shot. Ww is very opposing team comp dependant. With no stealth on enemy team, ww is good on base maps. But for everything else that monks are good dh do it better... My team made me switch to dh...
Ele fire build is giga nerfed. Its going to be inferior to its DF version imo
warrior hype :D
holy shit over a hour...
I talk a lot :(
You clearly wernt around when implosion was a thing for demo locks. Those days were extremely fun lol. One shot people by exploding all the imps you summoned. They were god tier for a short amount of time. (You said never) 😅
ah yeah to be fair I do remember legion demo lock I got hero a couple seasons of legion but I don't remember qing into many of em. it was so long ago. I just played fdk lmao
@Flarkness I think also they had an aoe channel ability that padded the hell out of the meters. Good times. Oh also warrior was S tier once upon a time when deep wounds was aoe spread with thunder clap, around the same time fire nova enhance shamans topped meters as well. I want to say WoD. Those were the days!
All healers need nerf . They are too tanky or blitz need to be 2 healers 7 dps