Is Hydroponics, Really... Dirt Cheap!?
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Hoocho asks the Question: Is Hydroponics, Really... Dirt Cheap!?
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Time Stamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:49 - Systems Discussion
03:27 - SkillShare
04:20 - Dutch Buckets
06:13 - Nutrient Film Technique
06:19 - Upfront Cost
08:28 - Propagation Cost
10:30 - Nutrient Cost
11:28 - Per Lettuce Cost Example
15:35 - Water Consumption Misinformation
18:30 - Other Factors
19:39 - Outro
20:08 - System Updates and Extras
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Happy Hydroponicing! - Наука та технологія
15:35 props for checking sources. a good practice everyone should follow on all info.
Dude! So glad I came across your channel. Been researching hydroponics & it’s so nice to have a fellow Aussie explaining it all. Yay for the metric system & bunnings!
I'm a simple man, when I see daddy Hoocho post a new video I like it immediately.
Sorry man, I read it wrong the first time I read it. I though U wrote I'm a single man 😂
@@grahambate3384 his annoying.
Haha I know what you mean
The reason it is difficult to give an estimate of how much more efficient hydroponics vs soil is because weather elements and many different types of soil hold/evaporate water in different ways. Clay vs Sand, etc. Great video on the start up costs!
😀 If only you had fish to feed the caterpillar too.
Full props for looking into the figures. I know the nightmare it is trying to find numbers for aquaponics VS soil.
Puntastic Video Hoocho. 😆
Cheers. 🍻🍻
I live in the Canary Islands 🏝 so no "soil" in the traditional fashion 🚢🚚, made my first 4 pot dutch bucket last year 2021🎆 for €5 Euros and scrap.
💰♻️ 🌱 🍈🥒🍅🥑 👍🏻👍🏻
What a difference to my grows.
Never going back to bad soil bags anymore 😁🚫💪🏼
Thanks @Hoocho and all the community for the help you give out. 👏👏👏👏
I stumbled onto your channel recently and I am so grateful for the research you do for your videos. Keep up the great work!
Watering & feeding a field taking more resources makes absolute sense to me. For starters its land connected to other land, which means water and nutrients will wick off elsewhere, as well as land being effected by rain water dilluting the nutrients in the soil, etc. Meanwhile in a bucket there's nowhere for the water to travel other than passive evaporation in a mostly enclosed container.
With all the videos of systems you’ve made, this video ties them all together. Thanks Hoocho it’s the video I’ve needed🍺🍺
Took the words right out of my mouth!
Gardeners and farmers are frugal by nature. They have to be. At 66 and a lifetime of backbreaking work (not a complaint) I have switched completely to hydroponics. Since it is my hobby I don't worry about cost. I am happy to eat listeria free lettuce at any price. Not picking on big farms-they do an amazing job feeding the world. I just like control over my food source. I don't mind spending more for rockwool as the cleanliness and ease of use makes the cost worthwhile!
Rockwool is not the healthiest thing to handle, though...
Beauty of a video! I appreciate you leaving in the bits with your neglected section, We've all done it. Was a really nice breakdown of costs, space, and labor involved. Thanks
Excellent video Hoocho. The cost breakdown and the approach used were very practical. I was looking at calculating the costs and the approach used gave some great insights to start with. Thanks for such content!
Hoocho, thank you for doing what you do and sharing your skills, cost and experience or outcomes, the content is helpful and your delivery is enjoyable.
Showing invoices 👍🏻 gotta like every video on your channel now
Your videos always bring my new information. Just as important, I thoroughly enjoy your style, your personality shines through. Been growing NFT and Bato as well as soil in doors for a year or more. Planning on a 400 sq ft greenhouse this spring and I'm so excited. Thank you for endless enjoyment and education.
Great video, great detail. Your hard work is evident.
Another fantastic video, thanks for all the good info you put out
The pvc gutters used may not be food grade or suitable for potable water, cheap but may not be ideal for growing food.
They are UPVC, no BPA.
Another great video!
Happy new year - looking forward to what you have coming up in 2022 😀😀😀
Thanks Hoocho, a lot of valuable information as usual. Cheers
Great episode. I especially liked the walkthrough of your validation of sources process.
Well done Hoocho, another great video, cant wait for the next update. How are you going with all the rain up your way..
So glad I found this channel. Shoutout from Florida.
Digging deep as always. Thanks for the insights!
Wow those are some numbers!!! Another great video of Hoocho.
Another great video, thanks for your hard work!
Cheers mate!
absolute legend! thank you for this! hopefully we can work together one day, best wishes for the new year mate.
I know the video is over a year old but I really comendere the amount of effort you went to in order to check the credibility of the sources
Thanks man. You’re a legend for this!
Hell yeah, give us more analysis and all that nerdy hydro stuff! There's a lot of stuff that *everybody says*, that is just meaningless. I love that you do what you can to reference scientific papers, it really lends credibility to your obvious and infectious passion for hydro growing. Can't get enough of your stuff mate, keep it all up. :)
Thanks so much
loved your video
Thank you
Amazing work as always hoochos. I would love to see you do a full experiment where you take maybe tomatoes and lettuce and compare all of the costs, the growing time and maintenance for Soil outside, soil in greenhouse, hydroponic (NFT, Dutch buckets, wicking and Kratky).
Here’s what I’m thinking Hoocho - that professor who said a kilo of tomatoes could in theory be made with one liter of water was considering a system where 100% of all waste water is captured and recycled. In principle, the only water you really “need” to remove from the system is the water within the tomatoes themselves, and the water consumed during photosynthesis/plant metabolism. All the evaporates water, waste water, etc can be captured and recycled. Even the water left in the stems could theoretically be recycled.
Wow totally love what you did in there nice
I like the mini updates.
Incrível Hoocho, absolutamente incrível.
Cheers Ramone, and Thank you for your consistent like comments! I appreciate it!
Thanks for sharing your information.... very helpful 👍
Hoocho your videos are fantastic keep up the great work have liked and subscribed ... U R AWESOME
Hi! Thank you for your very informative videos and innovations in hydroponics.
Here in the Philippines, there is a surplus of coco peat among farmers.
Too much that they were sourcing for market. 😀
Your idea of just using coco peat and perlite combo is brilliant.
But perlite is one that's expensive here.
God bless you
Love your channel! I just started growing strawberries in an nft system!
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Last blackout we didn't even have to fire up the generator and listen to it all night.
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Is hydroponics dirt cheap? No,it makes dirt look expensive. Now that is what I wanna hear as a college student.
In depth comparative water consumption would be awesome!
Great video. Another comparison is comparing hydroponics Vs dirt, Vs production differences between the two
Definitely like the lettuce system gonna try to do this in the spring that’ll be this year’s addition to the garden
I have a kranske capsicum using aquarium gravel and a milk bottle I haven't had any fruit yet. I lacked polinators as I had the plant inside. but it is outside now so I have hope. It grew rapidly when I put it in the "system".
Holy moly!
Great stuff Hoocho!
Hydro is the way to go for a lot of crops.
I am kind of sick of soil as i mostly use lots of pots.
Those rock wool slabs from ee. Muir are well worth it, even with courier costs if you dont live nearby. You just have to go to a comparison website for a good deal.
I thought campbells diamond t was only for fruiting. I thought for greens you needed some different, more optimised fertilizer?
Thanks for the videos.
I just half the amount for the diamond t and it works a treat.
I’ve spoken to the agronomist and this was his advice, rather than having to complicate things with multiple ferts
Happy belated New Year
Yes, discussing with my local hydro store, he downplays the amount water saved . It also varies in soil. Do you use overhead? Are you using drip? Growing in sand , clay? whats your weather ? are you using mulch? its pretty variable.
Awesome video 👍
After many failed attempts to grow my own crops, mostly due to insects, squirrels, birds etc, I finally tried hydroponics and I was soo surprised on how relatively easy it was. My system is almost all automatic. I have an NFT system with a large resevoir with a float valve. I only have to check the ph and nutrients once a week. I also have kratky containers for the climbing veggies, fed by a pump that comes on once a week to top them off. The water savings is also phenominal. Will never go to dirt farming for veggies again.
Having started in soil and moved to hydro I found it costs basically as much as in nutrients to run soil anyway. Hydro also is generally less everyday maintenance. So that’s why I changed.
Absolutely murdered that caterpillar lmao
I am mostly worried about what those plastics leach in water when under the Sun's UV radiation.
There was an American engineer/Aquaponic tinkerer and used a dehumidifier to reclaim the water and heat from the plant discharge. Very low loss. Global entities want to limit our water usage, and we should beat them to the punch. Also, there is too little fertilizer runoff to concern the local environment, since there is practically no water leaving the system.
Proper recirculating hydroponics is certainly not dirt cheap if you're growing in a small space. So I suppose you best pick your crop carefully and make it worthwhile. Apart from what most people would think of right now (cannabis) - may I recommend turning your limited space into a micro-green growing area. Perhaps Kratky or NFT? I'm not that well versed. Spirulina comes to mind. You can even create a home business with good enough research and a bit of effort 👍🏻
HOOCHO! I am building a hydroponic system and I would like to buy my rain gutters from the same place as your friend who buys them for $1.
or something comparable, ie 1-7$ per slat. thank you for your shared experience, it is inspiring.
Interesting numbers. I would be interested in your assessment of the value add of the shade house environment to your overall reduction in costs. I would assume you have reduced use of pesticides (a cost) and labor (another cost) saved for not having to treat the plants.
Useful insights, please make video on fully automated small home setup, cost of meters / devices
It's on the list!
Mate this is fecking awesome. I wish you were my neighbour.
Hey Hoocho, I’ve heard that tipping your dragons when the breach the top of you structure is the way to go, or growing in a pot 4-6ft off the ground is good too :)
Thankyou for this, Had a google and I'm definitely going to be doing that!
@@Hoocho Glad to help Hoocho, I always enjoy learning from your vids and your wry humor is always appreciated! Happy Hyrdoponicing in 2022!
After initial cost lettuce production is about 15 cents per head
I am in Pakistan 🇵🇰. Just today I checked prices of hydroponic nutrient. 3 part liquid (100ml each) was 20$. EC and PH tester were 30$.
Order from Ali. They're based in China, right next to you, and will deliver pretty much anything you like 👍🏻
@@ivareskesner2019 Yeah thats a great source but import taxes and customs are a huge pain.
@@tahahassan897 I see. I'm currently in Australia so the price is probably different from yours. I suppose because so much of their business is from here. Look at it this way, mate. If you do your research and pick the right things to buy, you can make a good one off investment. Wherever you buy it, starting to grow will take some research, investment and sacrifice. But it will certainly pay off if you do it right.
Liquid is more expensive, buy dry nutrient
u are right I started 26 years ago when 4 inch was dirt cheep since the money has gotten biden cheep the cost of 4" pvc was 8 bucks, now 42 bucks says food went up, but I am in control of what we eat, grew up in produce business, experienced the way we sell and buy produce. 7 day old produce is devoid of nutrient . grow your own to know what you eat!
Wow. This is awesome. You’ve got a new subscriber! I have a feeling that being frugal will be super relevant in a few years when AI will take off and kill even more jobs. I like the idea of having a piece of soil that basically feeds you. Turns out it does not have to be soil. Wow.
Hoocho can you explain if it is viable to grow your own lettuce,spinach,tomatoes or cucumbers indoors with growlights as compared to buying from the store that would be my main concerne
My greenhouse hydroponic flood and drain Dutch bucket tomato’s are just turning as new year comes around while those in the garden have only just started flowering. Do you reuse your perlite for tomato’s? If so how often? I have been boiling mine, 20L at a time ie hold it at 80 d C for one hour, just lasts the camper stove disposable canister. I have 18 buckets so it takes a while. I am doing about 30-40L of water a day and top up half strength after 2-3 days. Temperatures are a problem in Armidale. Guyra is home to Costas giant 50 acre glasshouses. Using Manu? stuff from Bunnings. Need to keep nutrient alkaline ~7 to avoid blossom end rot.
Reuse till it no longer has good a physical structure.
hey do you have a video on how to reuse perlite? cleaning etc
I've got an 80L version of that green lid tub (at 7:24); I do not recommend it. It's bulging like crazy under the weight of the water, I've added a ratchet strap to reinforce it and keep the lid on (it still looks like it's struggling though).
Can't speak for the 100L version, but I'd bet it has the same issue.
Any idea where to source that type of rail in the US? My google searching is coming up empty (at least for purchasing small quantity / home use).
The tubes you have your lettuce in, what are they called and where could I look in the states for them
Hey Hoocho. First of all love the channel. How do you keep bicarbonates from messing with the PH in the system? I know professional systems use a form of neutralizer, but how does this work in systems you use at home?
It’s less of a problem than you’d think. I don’t have ph issues using rainwater.
This is why I prefer hydroton over perlite. Much easier to reuse hydroton than perlite.
I have always wondered if the nutrition of hydroponics is better or worse than soil grown... with hard numbers
So the main costs are in equipment and electricity. Fifty bucks a year in electricity and pump replacement, two hundred bucks upfront for gear. Bearing in mind that if you build a greenhouse or anything like that, there's a cost to it. Either way, if you assume you run that for three years, it's an investment worth making.
Really liked your video. where can I buy the channel used for the NFT system at a good price?
Although not very absorbent Is a bit of perlite in a net pot an option for starting even cheaper?
👍, do you ever have trouble with your nft system over heating during summer and the water getting to warm/ hot lowering it's oxygen content.
I haven’t, but I’m running 700L in a fully clad reservoir, the heat buffer that the large body of water provides helps with this.
I grow in 5 gals of organic living soil but all this is cool .
can you reuse rockwool after harvest?
can we use fish pond or in aquarium water for hydroponics?
Where in Australia do you get the rectangle channels? All I can find are round sown pipes"
Can we reuse nutrients from previous batch after adjusting pH and EC?
Lettuce use 4L of water 11:39
Great breakdown of cost Hoocho, apart from the tomatoes what healthy looking produce :).
Would you possibly have information on what vegetables are best grown in NFT or Dutch Buckets? finding it difficult to find the info, Thanks.
Greens in NFT, and fruiting long term plants in Dutch buckets as a general rule.
@@Hoocho thank you very much.
Do you have a link to where you get the rockwool from? Ive tried looking them up but I cant find anywhere to place a order?
www.eem.com.au
Mice hammering tomatos in Dutch buckets, any suggestions? Traps are in and one set off last night but no catch. Trying to get footage, failed last night, try again tonight.
Hydro is super expensive for the unusual setup. After that it's cheaper than normal gardening.
haha I love my phones autocorrect. I meant to say initial setup is more expensive but I think everyone still gets the point.
What is the shelf life od dry nutrients after opening the bag and storing in a so-called tight lid container?
I cant find a local supplier (toowoomba qld) for that fertilizer. Do you get yours delivered? The ee muir website lists vic companies but none up here. Ive been using the bunnings manutec stuff with good results but after seeing this, I'm keen to go bulk (im cheap)
Is there somewhere I can get t his start up information, equipment and design?
How about a calculation on cost per kilo of tomatoes? Please be very interesting
Hoocho, in your nft do you run the pump 24/7 or do you put em on a timer? If you’ve mentioned in other videos I apologize but need to know I’ve had issues running my nft rails with the pumps on at full force 24 hours a day. Keep having issues.
24/7 mate
Where did you get your dragonfruit seeds from?
How do you run your pumps, 24 hours or you have a timer?
Appreciate your honesty on the water saving mate. So much bs and random figures out there, i think the only real numbers are for aeroponics as NASA did a study on them.
The real numbers for genuine aeroponics would blow your mind. Nasa used way more than was necessary.
what aboot electricity? also, how do you keep algae down?
What is the shelf life of the nutrients? If I was to buy in bulk ensuring I never run out. Does cold weather climates shorten shelf life?
Dry nutrients will last for years as long as you keep them in airtight containers and out of direct sun.