People have no clue the salt flats are full of lithium as well, and it hasn't been explored how much yet. There are massive deposits of lithium all over the US, regulations just prevent it.
I live about three miles away from the Great Salt Lake. There is a company here USMagCorp that has been dumping lithium in the west desert as a byproduct for years. Tesla estimated this could meet the worlds needs for the next 100 years. Possibly no mining or evaporation required.
The more US Lithium we can get, the better. Getting the lithium from salt brine will be alot easier than mining rock Lithium, probably alot easier to get permitting too.
I wonder if the Bonneville salt flats contain the minerals needed for EV batteries too. I have been thinking about the Great Salt Lake in Utah lately since knowing about the Salton Sea project.
First Thacker Pass Nevada and the Geothermal Salt Lake projects, now Utah... the US truly will become a major leader in lithium production for the new carbon clean economy.
A new mine is being dug on the West side of Dartmoor (an ancient volcanic plug) in south west England. The mine is two boreholes which extract the lithium containing brine. Lithium is extracted and the brine is pumped back down. There are no spoil heaps and no evaporation ponds.
Where is that too David, I'm an ex Lee Moor resident, now living in Widewell, Plymouth, keen EV driver and I have not heard of this one but I have thought about all the Mica dams in the area and how much Lithium they contain. Can you let me know the name of the company doing the extraction as I'm really interested in this subject, thanks
A British business called British Lithium is starting a pilot plant with the aim of building a full scale plant, that will produce 21,000 tons of battery grade lithium per annum from the waste Mica left over from the China Clay industry in Devon and Cornwall. The pilot plant will produce only 5kg per day but it will prove their production method to attract investment for the full size plant. Devon and Cornwall has vast amounts of waste Mica left over from the China Clay Industry just laying around in huge settling pits where the water has already evaporated from the Mica Clay
The only way to fix the lake is to put more water in it. What the video did not say is that farmers are using water from the lakes watershed. They have the right to this water. The idea is to use money created by the lithium to buy water from the farmers to raise the level of the lake. "One proposal would tackle water use in homes and businesses, by measuring outdoor water that's considered some of the country's cheapest. Another would pay farmers for sharing their water downstream, and a third would direct money from mineral-extraction royalties to benefit the lake."
The government of AU needs to promote battery development. A start could be funding the AU universities to produce batteries with yearly prizes for the most advanced batteries. Another prize from mass production.
Very interesting. This is something I will keep my eye on. If they can produce lithium at a low cost, it will be good for the US and the entire world. China has become a great manufacturing power, one the whole world has come to rely upon. But it also makes sense to develop alternative sources for the extraction and refining of lithium. The US needs to build capacity to provide for its own security and to ensure the success of its shift away from fossil fuels. This is good news.
We need to stop and take a step back. These ev batteries are mineral intensive and the energy it takes to make the batteries. What about desposing of the old everything batteries. We need to wake up not listen to the idiot's hollering about going green. Wind and solar cannot supply the energy this nation needs. Get back to basics and not get in a hurry . Let's get our energy independence back then slowly with a clear head diversify slowly.
As an American, I find it comforting to know have enough lithium not to need to import it. Let's see how long Elon holds back as processors fail to take his hint and purify what they mine; will he process lithium, nickel, other stuff?
A brownout is a partial, temporary reduction in system voltage or total system capacity. Blackouts come without warning, last for indeterminate periods, and are typically caused by catastrophic equipment failure or severe weather. The nature and cause of the blackout determines who is affected. It’s so dark when there is no electricity!
@@mikel4879 I'm just being a nitpicky mathematician, sorry. It's bad enough that people have adopted "exponential" to mean "fast" or "surprising" or whatever else that has nothing to do with exponents. Now using "logarithmic" in weird ways -- that's just too much 😆
Vasily K / Ooooooooh... I'm worse than you...I would like people to talk only in lambda, bending space, probably probabilities and Your Highness... But I'm recovering somehow from this shameful addiction and now use more of: kiss my us, idiot, with your useless symbolism of any kind! Just don't start me...!
What's this 'Po tash'? It's derived from 'Pot ash', so that's how it's pronounced. Potassium therefore has a similar short 'o'. Thanks for the video, Sam. 🙂
The extraction of magnesium from the Great Salt Lake is becoming increasingly controversial as the company seeks permission to increase production. As said below, the lake is drying up and toxic metals will blow into the Salt Lake metro area. To say the lithium production is friendly to the environment ignores the huge water issues in the Colorado river basin. If the producing companies had to supply new water to replace the water evaporated (say by buying water rights from farmers), then it would be more environmentally friendly.
Evaporation using solar takes about 18 months…as it does in other parts of the world. If it rains a lot you ares screwed too. Evap is not a dependable or precisely predictable production method regardless of how Green it is.
There are currently 70million cars sold annually worldwide. If each car uses 60kg of the Li2CO3 salt mined in the Salt Lake the total output of this mine will last 6 months. Plus we all want batteries in our cell phones , cordless powertools, and a Powerwall at home. Sorry to rain on the parade but batteries will not solve the predicament we are facing.
So, what you're really saying is that a Raw earth material that was basically not (profitably) worth mining, is now suddenly the new powdered gold of the world?..
I wonder if the recent hurricane off the coast of California is going to impact plans there. Apparently a lot of rainwater runoff was refilling the Salton Sea.
They advertise to convince their clients to hold on other EV purchases as their’s are coming. fake anticipation. Many will wait because they trust GM will deliver in a year or 2. It is like Moises and the free land. It promises a better future, but not now. This type of advertising works to keep their dedicated customer base. It might work for a while, but how long: will the GM client wait????
The early adopters may not be patient, but the vast majority of the customers are in no real hurry...They'll start buying when it's not only financially feasible, but when the technologies are proven to absolutely trustworthy & practical.
As always with a these “might well, could change soon, is about to,…”, it will take at least 5 years before we see any meaningful production. Based on the past of these projects, more likely 10 years. Unfortunately but reality. Of all hyped US DLE projects, only 1 really seems to be ahead of the pack. DYOR to find out which one.
What a great way to clean up the lake, and make it habitable again. There must be a way of getting the Toxins out of the lake, plus all tha other minerals .......... all run by Solar Energy ! What a great opportunity, to do something GREEN !
The Great Salt Lake will never be “habitable” by anything but the creatures adapted to it. It’s amazing, like a whole different planet. The only life in the lake proper is brine shrimp and bacteria. It smells very strange, and the bottom actually bubbles from what the bacteria produce. I hope any extraction they do has as little impact as possible on the natural environment of the lake, which is unique in the world.
Not that anyone cares but--I once contracted for the "pioneering" Li brine operation at Silver Peak, Nevada. Interesting process and *seemingly* low environmental impact, turns out that mine shutdown a few yrs ago 'without plans to reopen', apparently ill-timed as it shortly did reopen, guessing they didn't see the massive demand/price increase coming.
A lot of people are predicting a large global depression. I suppose this could look like 1929, with millions of people unemployed, or it could look like WW2, with millions of people employed by wartime industries. It seems to me that countries helping Ukraine fight Russia, could keep millions of people employed for at least the next 3 years, working on some of the many projects you have described. And then those countries will have solved their energy problem, their fertilizer problem, and their water desalinization problem.
The U.S. has 289,000,000 vehicles. How many millions can be built......Did anyone notice that The Great Salt Lake is going dry?...How many millions can we build before it is gone.....Better get going.....the lake isn't just sitting there and won't be there forever.
So when is *Australia* going to get its thumb out of its [expletive] and start turning to lithium evaporation to get in on the action. It could be poised to cash in *_big_* on its sun shine.
Hmmm...I get not letting Joe Biden near a stray cat, let alone a Salt Lake.....But, isn't GM going full steam ahead with the so-called "Climate Change" technologies?
Use something else to make batteries. Sodium based batteries are a thing. In the distant future we will have enough batteries. Recycle the old to make replacements.
Smart people figure it out. The more people the smarter and more motivated some are. They bless the rest of us. Thank goodness for guys like Elon. Just smart and motivated. Great book "Superabundance" explains and demonstrates the more people on earth the more abundant not scarce things become.
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@@jbbuzzable This new patented EV internal battery charging technology is not a perpetual motion device. This technology consists of 2 primary parts with different functions put together in order to work as one entity. Part# 1 is a carbon-free powered compact R.R. PM Rim e-Motor Part#2 is a pioneering powerful 20-KWh zero-emission round, slim Hercules electricity generator Put together is about the size of your spare tire.
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As a Utah resident this makes me very excited and optimistic. Saving our lake and accelerating the green transition at the same time. Amazing.
Hi Viking, it’s pronounced Pot-ash. There are huge evaporating just outside my town, Moab Utah.
People have no clue the salt flats are full of lithium as well, and it hasn't been explored how much yet. There are massive deposits of lithium all over the US, regulations just prevent it.
I live about three miles away from the Great Salt Lake. There is a company here USMagCorp that has been dumping lithium in the west desert as a byproduct for years. Tesla estimated this could meet the worlds needs for the next 100 years. Possibly no mining or evaporation required.
The more US Lithium we can get, the better. Getting the lithium from salt brine will be alot easier than mining rock Lithium, probably alot easier to get permitting too.
The Great Salt Lake is a natural sink. Surface water flows in from creeks, rivers and streams, but never flows out; the water just evaporates away.
I wonder if the Bonneville salt flats contain the minerals needed for EV batteries too. I have been thinking about the Great Salt Lake in Utah lately since knowing about the Salton Sea project.
First Thacker Pass Nevada and the Geothermal Salt Lake projects, now Utah... the US truly will become a major leader in lithium production for the new carbon clean economy.
A new mine is being dug on the West side of Dartmoor (an ancient volcanic plug) in south west England. The mine is two boreholes which extract the lithium containing brine. Lithium is extracted and the brine is pumped back down. There are no spoil heaps and no evaporation ponds.
Where is that too David, I'm an ex Lee Moor resident, now living in Widewell, Plymouth, keen EV driver and I have not heard of this one but I have thought about all the Mica dams in the area and how much Lithium they contain. Can you let me know the name of the company doing the extraction as I'm really interested in this subject, thanks
It should become cost effective since lithium prices has increased 30x in 3 years.
💜 So glad I found this channel !
A British business called British Lithium is starting a pilot plant with the aim of building a full scale plant, that will produce 21,000 tons of battery grade lithium per annum from the waste Mica left over from the China Clay industry in Devon and Cornwall. The pilot plant will produce only 5kg per day but it will prove their production method to attract investment for the full size plant.
Devon and Cornwall has vast amounts of waste Mica left over from the China Clay Industry just laying around in huge settling pits where the water has already evaporated from the Mica Clay
we used to be leaders in number of industries.
The only way to fix the lake is to put more water in it. What the video did not say is that farmers are using water from the lakes watershed. They have the right to this water. The idea is to use money created by the lithium to buy water from the farmers to raise the level of the lake.
"One proposal would tackle water use in homes and businesses, by measuring outdoor water that's considered some of the country's cheapest. Another would pay farmers for sharing their water downstream, and a third would direct money from mineral-extraction royalties to benefit the lake."
There's companies who are now mining lithium at Salton Sea, California.
I didn't know thanks for sharing.
I know when I worked for US magnesium they had it as a byproduct and now I believe there's a lithium plant next to them
The government of AU needs to promote battery development. A start could be funding the AU universities to produce batteries with yearly prizes for the most advanced batteries. Another prize from mass production.
Very interesting. This is something I will keep my eye on. If they can produce lithium at a low cost, it will be good for the US and the entire world. China has become a great manufacturing power, one the whole world has come to rely upon. But it also makes sense to develop alternative sources for the extraction and refining of lithium. The US needs to build capacity to provide for its own security and to ensure the success of its shift away from fossil fuels. This is good news.
We need to stop and take a step back. These ev batteries are mineral intensive and the energy it takes to make the batteries. What about desposing of the old everything batteries. We need to wake up not listen to the idiot's hollering about going green. Wind and solar cannot supply the energy this nation needs. Get back to basics and not get in a hurry . Let's get our energy independence back then slowly with a clear head diversify slowly.
As an American, I find it comforting to know have enough lithium not to need to import it. Let's see how long Elon holds back as processors fail to take his hint and purify what they mine; will he process lithium, nickel, other stuff?
A brownout is a partial, temporary reduction in system voltage or total system capacity.
Blackouts come without warning, last for indeterminate periods, and are typically caused by catastrophic equipment failure or severe weather. The nature and cause of the blackout determines who is affected.
It’s so dark when there is no electricity!
"Chinese factories will be increasing at a logarithmic growth rate" -- did you mean to say "exponential"? log(x) grows rather slowly.
Vasily K / Do you want him to be a matematician now?
@@mikel4879 I'm just being a nitpicky mathematician, sorry.
It's bad enough that people have adopted "exponential" to mean "fast" or "surprising" or whatever else that has nothing to do with exponents. Now using "logarithmic" in weird ways -- that's just too much 😆
Vasily K / Ooooooooh... I'm worse than you...I would like people to talk only in lambda, bending space, probably probabilities and Your Highness...
But I'm recovering somehow from this shameful addiction and now use more of: kiss my us, idiot, with your useless symbolism of any kind!
Just don't start me...!
What's this 'Po tash'? It's derived from 'Pot ash', so that's how it's pronounced. Potassium therefore has a similar short 'o'. Thanks for the video, Sam. 🙂
My son is Norwegian born father. We live in Salt Lake City. You look just like my son🤔🤔🤔
The extraction of magnesium from the Great Salt Lake is becoming increasingly controversial as the company seeks permission to increase production. As said below, the lake is drying up and toxic metals will blow into the Salt Lake metro area. To say the lithium production is friendly to the environment ignores the huge water issues in the Colorado river basin. If the producing companies had to supply new water to replace the water evaporated (say by buying water rights from farmers), then it would be more environmentally friendly.
The Colorado river water problems are mainly due to California thirst. California has mismanaged its water just as it has mismanaged its power needs.
Evaporation using solar takes about 18 months…as it does in other parts of the world. If it rains a lot you ares screwed too.
Evap is not a dependable or precisely predictable production method regardless of how Green it is.
I wonder if the salt lakes in Australia are also rich in lithium
Add a seawater pipeline and fresh water pipeline, getting those minerals could be shipped and be environmentally good.
There are currently 70million cars sold annually worldwide. If each car uses 60kg of the Li2CO3 salt mined in the Salt Lake the total output of this mine will last 6 months. Plus we all want batteries in our cell phones , cordless powertools, and a Powerwall at home. Sorry to rain on the parade but batteries will not solve the predicament we are facing.
So, what you're really saying is that a Raw earth material that was basically not (profitably) worth mining, is now suddenly the new powdered gold of the world?..
@@SunriseLAW no we’ll need both
I wonder if the recent hurricane off the coast of California is going to impact plans there. Apparently a lot of rainwater runoff was refilling the Salton Sea.
The Salton sea site sounds a lot better.
there is even more sodium in Utha, than Lithium and it is easier to harvest. So why doesn't the US build Batteries from sodium?
They advertise to convince their clients to hold on other EV purchases as their’s are coming. fake anticipation. Many will wait because they trust GM will deliver in a year or 2. It is like Moises and the free land. It promises a better future, but not now. This type of advertising works to keep their dedicated customer base. It might work for a while, but how long: will the GM client wait????
The early adopters may not be patient, but the vast majority of the customers are in no real hurry...They'll start buying when it's not only financially feasible, but when the technologies are proven to absolutely trustworthy & practical.
Evaporation ponds are going to end up outlawed at some point in the not too distant future because of how much water they waste.
This is a good news Viking 🎉. What USA is waiting for? Lithium soon hit $ 10000/ton.
As always with a these “might well, could change soon, is about to,…”, it will take at least 5 years before we see any meaningful production. Based on the past of these projects, more likely 10 years. Unfortunately but reality.
Of all hyped US DLE projects, only 1 really seems to be ahead of the pack. DYOR to find out which one.
What a great way to clean up the lake, and make it habitable again.
There must be a way of getting the Toxins out of the lake, plus all tha other minerals .......... all run by Solar Energy !
What a great opportunity, to do something GREEN !
The Great Salt Lake will never be “habitable” by anything but the creatures adapted to it. It’s amazing, like a whole different planet. The only life in the lake proper is brine shrimp and bacteria. It smells very strange, and the bottom actually bubbles from what the bacteria produce. I hope any extraction they do has as little impact as possible on the natural environment of the lake, which is unique in the world.
Not that anyone cares but--I once contracted for the "pioneering" Li brine operation at Silver Peak, Nevada. Interesting process and *seemingly* low environmental impact, turns out that mine shutdown a few yrs ago 'without plans to reopen', apparently ill-timed as it shortly did reopen, guessing they didn't see the massive demand/price increase coming.
A lot of people are predicting a large global depression. I suppose this could look like 1929, with millions of people unemployed, or it could look like WW2, with millions of people employed by wartime industries. It seems to me that countries helping Ukraine fight Russia, could keep millions of people employed for at least the next 3 years, working on some of the many projects you have described. And then those countries will have solved their energy problem, their fertilizer problem, and their water desalinization problem.
Pot, ash. From potassium.
I prefer they spend money on making more car plants.
The U.S. has 289,000,000 vehicles. How many millions can be built......Did anyone notice that The Great Salt Lake is going dry?...How many millions can we build before it is gone.....Better get going.....the lake isn't just sitting there and won't be there forever.
Elon has said that there's enough lithium in the land tesla owns in nevada for the foreseeable future.
So when is *Australia* going to get its thumb out of its [expletive] and start turning to lithium evaporation to get in on the action.
It could be poised to cash in *_big_* on its sun shine.
Australia is too busy building concentration camps for the covid unvaccinated. not enough money and brain power to actually progress its economy.
He did a video on it
@@agett12 He's done so many videos...
Besides, it's not *him* who's in charge. It's the imbecile poiticians who are still in _coal's pocket._
Don't let GM, Mary Barra, and Joe Biden anywhere near the Great Salt Lake.
Hmmm...I get not letting Joe Biden near a stray cat, let alone a Salt Lake.....But, isn't GM going full steam ahead with the so-called "Climate Change" technologies?
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Eventually we will run out of something that makes batteries;what do we do then?
Use something else to make batteries.
Sodium based batteries are a thing.
In the distant future we will have enough batteries. Recycle the old to make replacements.
Batteries can be recycled with 80-90% recovery.
@@jbbuzzable You can say that till your blue and they will swear no EV batteries are being recycled. I am going on purple.
Smart people figure it out. The more people the smarter and more motivated some are. They bless the rest of us. Thank goodness for guys like Elon. Just smart and motivated. Great book "Superabundance" explains and demonstrates the more people on earth the more abundant not scarce things become.
The "lake" is disappearing due to too many straws upstream.
Climate change has reduced the rainfall and snowfall and increased evaporation. All the glaciers that feed our great rivers are shrinking.
Sodium is the next and is cheaper.
When you going to do a video on child labour getting colbalt
Lfp batteries don't use cobalt.
Update, Innovative 21st Century Electric Vehicle Game Changing Internal Self Charging Battery Technology
Before you buy, lease or put a deposit on your new EV ask if it will have new internal EKG self charging battery technology eliminating external retail e-charging and providing free unlimited carbon-free range/millage. Time to cut the e-grid EV cord.
( EKG Electricity Kinetic Generator ) can be fount on the internet
A perpetual motion car. Funny nobody thought of that before.
@@jbbuzzable This new patented EV internal battery charging technology is not a perpetual motion device.
This technology consists of 2 primary parts with different functions put together in order to work as one entity.
Part# 1 is a carbon-free powered compact R.R. PM Rim e-Motor
Part#2 is a pioneering powerful 20-KWh zero-emission round, slim Hercules electricity generator
Put together is about the size of your spare tire.
@@jeffb8468 Word salad. Show us the physics.
@@jbbuzzable In my first comment I provided a search term for my website
EKGelectricitykineticgenerator This site has links for EKG internal EV power-plant technology