I also work in the field, I do mainly Server and Network Management, but have come quite the IP Surveillance admin over the years as well. I recommend using software called "Milestone XProtect". It is not as intuitive as a setup, there is definitely a learning curve. But, the things you can do with this software is really mind blowing. Best of all, as long as you are using 8 Cameras or Less, they have a free version, it still needs a key but you get that for free on Install, and the software is completely unlocked for everything a home user would need and more, and you only have to start paying a license fee if you intend to use more then 8 camera's with the software. It also extremely scaleable across networks if you ever did license it. So for instance, if you ever got am office to work out of, or a second home or something, you could install the software on another PC there and tie together both systems through a VPN, and have a redundant setup where your recordings can copy across the VPN to the Other's PC, meaning you footage is in both places in case you ever lose one, and allows you to access your cameras from just one place. You get a web GUI interface to log into and view your cameras, and it displays them on your screen so you can easily see all cameras at once. I use it at my home, as well as have huge sprawling networks of Camera's setup at clients corporate offices, and they love what I can do with it. Anyways, If you are interested in seeing what it can do, if you are curious, shoot me an email and I will gladly let you log into one of my networks to let you see it for yourself, I think you would be quite impressed with the possibilities. Best of all just like the software your using, it can be installed in a Windows Environment. My email is Matt@MattTheTech.net. Keep up the awesome work Paul!
PS. I used to use iSpy as well. It worked well, sort of, but I got sick of it crashing randomly, and the client was forced to pay that $12 monthly fee to be able to access remotely, and unfortunately remote access was shoddy. With the XProtect setup you do not have to pay a monthly fee, and you can either just open a port on your router, or if you do it like we do in the Enterprise, you simply setup an IPSEC VPN on your network, and VPN in with your remote viewing device, whether that is a phone, tablet, laptop, or computer, and then you can access a Web interface to view the cameras. The awesome thing is it leverages the GPU or iGPU (Ryzen APU offloading is not yet compatible but I am hoping that will be coming in a future update) so it keeps both CPU usuage down on both the recording side, and the viewing side. If your cameras have PTZ, you can easily control the movement of your cameras through the browser interface, and even setup patrols. Really, anything you can think of, you can do. Anyways, would love to show you. Keep up the awesome content!
Thank you for these videos. It's great timing for me. I had a break in on nov13th. I ordered a large wd purple drive on black friday, but have stalled on were to go from there because I am having a hard time feeling confident on the other reviews and channels I've watched for ideas. I needed exactly this style of video for encouragement on the next steps for my own system.
The verge should sponsor Paul's Hardware. Anyone else notice the innuendo in the name "Paul's hardware" ? Is the channel about Paul's actual "hardware"? Just sayin
Good on you being humble enough to make mistakes, own them, & fix them. Holding yourself accountable is sometimes the hardest, but the most important thing to do.
Hey Paul, still learning myself about camera's but I do know about cabling. The reason there are two types, Plenum and Riser depends on the ceiling environment. Riser cable when it burns will let on gases, not great for human breathing..... Plenum doesn't. The other difference, Plenum is most of the times twice as expensive...:( In most home type environments, cabling will all be in the sheet rock ceiling , so riser can be used. Hope this helps, and keep up the great work!!!!
Paul, I actually work in the security industry so this is one subject that I know very well. Ok, first comment is regarding your switch. The one you showed only has 4 ports that are POE capable out of the 8. That said, you'd have to buy another switch (or poe injector) if you added a 5th POE camera. Another note about the switch and network planning. Being a 10/100 switch you need to be careful about bandwidth bottlenecks. From the video I couldn't tell what the uplink port was but I'm assuming that it also was 10/100. You need to take into account the maximum bandwidth per camera. If you have 10 cameras that max out at 10mbps then you'll have issues. My last comment is about ONVIF. You did say it correctly but one thing I wanted to add is that not all camera functionality is available via onvif or the rtsp stream. For example, depending in the video management software (vms) and/or camera, things like recording on motion or dewarping for 360° cameras won't always work. If you want to chat more I'd be happy to help! 😁
I set this up recently and have been loving it other than a few UI and configuration quirks. The built in web server is dead simple to set up and has a good UI as well so you don't need to worry about crushing your internet trying to dump a dozen video streams onto a cloud service. I'd prefer a non Chinese camera but it seems like they all come from there anyway. I went with amcrest since they were on sale at Microcenter. They're on a separate VLAN with no WAN access, which in theory should stop any exploits or backdoors. I also have it running on the same box as my NAS and media server via Proxmox, which I'd highly recommend you checking out Paul! Fun project.
Riser rated cable is required by code for running between floors. The cabe is self extinguishing in the event of fire(attempt to keep from spreading the fire). Plenum rated cable is for running in air handling areas, vents, ducts, above drop ceiling where that space is used for air return. When Plenum cable burns the fumes it gives off is not supposed to be toxic.
The best thing about POE is that you can just plug your switch into the same UPS as your storage box and now all your cameras are still on during an outage :)
@@agoogleuser9025 Sure, but then you don't get the other benefits of IP cameras like better quality, flexibility and versatility in building your system, remote monitoring and management, customizing settings and alerts, etc. Analog cameras still have the advantage for anyone who wants a basic cheap system that "just works", but you can do a lot of neat stuff with IP.
Use Blue Iris software it has motion or continuous recording also and if you have intel CPU it can take advantage of hardware acceleration. It has so many features but the best part my outside cams I have setup motion no alert and created another new camera in the software and made it hidden and setup cross zoning it will track objects and if they cross a line you can make it do alert run a script etc. so basically anyone that walks on to my property I get alert on my phone 0 false alerts. Takes some fine tuning.
Thank you for addressing your mistakes in a great, straight-forward way. Just another reason why I watch all of your videos, keep up the good work, looking forward to the livestream.
Watching someone like yourself learn on the fly is so refreshing to see. Social media has become more about delivering a polished product that never shows the fumbles and issues that come up for just about everyone. Thank you for showing us that it is ok to be human. I’m planning on doing a completely wired home security system as well without any WiFi. Your videos have not only given me ideas but will ease the pain when I run into the inevitable issues. Cheers
It takes a real man to admit his fault, publicly, tell everyone what was done wrong, how he could have done better, and then forge ahead utilizing the constructive criticism given constructively. You got a new watcher today.
I would suggest not keep the local IP addresses as "169.*.*.*" This "169" ip format is an indication of of an unavailable DHCP server and could cause conflict if you ever have an issue with your actual connected network because if your actual network fails with your ISP ect, the IP will default to 169.*.*.* It means, the computer is not connected properly to the network or the computer was not authorized to connect to the network. Just a tip from a networking nerd.
About 2 years ago I went through all this stuff you are doing. Spent hours of my life and realized it's so much easier to just buy a Wester Digital Readuview nvr kit for $200 and its 100% plug and okay and even has an app. Literally took me 30 mins to unplug my old Poe cams and hook this up.
Riser rated cable just means that it has a special fire rated jacket that will theoretically self extinguish and is meant to be run in non plenum(air handling areas) spaces such as in your walls while a plenum cable has a special jacket that is also self extinguishing and also does not emit any toxic smoke when burning since it is meant to go in areas that handle air such as ducts.
Hi Paul... I run a 4,500 camera system and have evaluated most of the products people have talked about here. May I suggest you look at Milestone Essential. I believe it supports up to 8 free cameras and 7 days of retention. They have a free mobile portal/app as well. Throw two 4tb WD purples in raid 1 and you'll be set. Milestone is a happy to run 24/7 in a windows environment and is compatible with almost Onvif cameras. The biggest issue you'll have with those monoprice cameras is low light visibility, back scatter off on the dome from IR, or a WDR for face on a bright background
Glad you followed up on the surveillance video, and especially called out and glad kudos to constructive solutions of the viewers!! Paul, you dear sir, are the real deal class act. Thanks for the quality content!
Thank you Paul, allowing us to learn along with you goes a long way in helping those considering this path to avoid the same pitfalls (visions of 8-bit guy swinging on a vine)
Use a Hikvision NVR (your camera's are rebranded Hikvision ONVIF). Built in POE, purpose built to handle cameras, no licensing fees, 1/4 of the cost of your PC, can provide network segmentation because of the built in switch, and plenty of other reasons. Also use IVMS 4200 for your viewing software.
Cat5 riser is meant for running a wire through multiple levels of a building or home. Plenum wire has a different coating that is less toxic during a fire and is typically used when running above a drop ceiling or when you have to run a wire through air ducts. The only difference between cat5 and cat6 is the data flow and the twisting. Cat6 is kinda over kill for security cameras unless you are using it as a trunk wire connecting 10 or more cameras to another switch or NVR recorder.
You just now got a crimping tool ? I have like 3 of them since '2000 .... don't use them much but you being a builder ... thought you would have a WIDE selection of them ! Anyway .... that caught my ear ... keep up GREAT work !
As someone who used to install DVR systems, just use poe cameras. Unless ur guarding gold bars no one is going to cut ur power and wait 15min for a battery backup to die. Just dont use iot.
If you don't mind paying for software sighthound is a good turnkey solution for differentiating between people, objects, vehicles, etc. Along with constant recording with motion highlights on the timeline.
I have an inferred lamp over my car. Amazing bit of kit. Very very bright and only works for cameras that the inferred throw is not very far and I’m using Swann
Paul - So glad I found your channel man. I was watching your NewEgg videos back in 2011 - had no idea you were on UA-cam. You were great then and remain a fantastic channel. Keep up the good work man.
Get a pci-e riser or flex cable and run a separate gigabit NIC. Also cut the bracket (flat) for those two usb ports, cut/drill the chassis and pop rivet them literally anywhere (if you want)
Riser cable and plenum cable have more to do with what sort of atmosphere they are in. Riser cable is more general use while Plenum is required by code in office spaces where the cold air return is just above the ceiling tiles. Riser is perfectly fine for use in a house, even an attic. Plenum is better but more expensive. Neither is out door rated.
Would love a follow up video interviewing an expert doing pros and cons of a complete DIY solution vs the various "in a box" solutions. Maybe Kyle and paul can do a compare contrast on the various features their system has/lacks
Can't recall the video I saw on Yt comparing IP camera's, but based on that comparison I bought myself a Reolink RLC-410 5MP and I'm very happy with it. Reolink app and external connection is possible (might want to setup your FW if you don't want it, not an issue if you don't setup internet connectivity). Supports ONVIF for recording and remote management (compatible with Synology Surveillance Station). Also works with PoE.
If the camera's support it, you may want to set up your own NTP-server (since they won't have internet access so it seems), to keep the different cams in sync
14:15 -- Paul that is incorrect. PIs can be used with PoE 802.3af standard, but to enable this feature you need a "HAT" add on to the GPIO pins. This feature is only available on the 3B+ and the 4B Doing this will allow you to use USB cameras with a PI over PoE.
Someone may have that pointed out already, but lower your Voltage and set it to a fixed value. Ryzen doesnt really need more than 1.3ish Volts on stock settings. Asus and Gigabyte are grabbing somewhat high with their Defaults.
Professional installations can still use Cat5e or Cat6 no problem. You should also check out a software called milestone. It’s a professional grade software that you can use for free if you have 8 cameras or less I think. We just setup a system that is using about a hundred with more planned.
you can run POE adaptors to the pi which takes the POE power and converts it to 5v (or 12/24/48 depending on use case) to power the PI and get data as well , i have a few of these about to run a secondary redundancy NAS and some lights (as long as its under 15 watt per port) there is also a new standard which can handle alot more power , i know ubiquity have them
We need TWO more videos, not just one - gotta have that 6 month update video to let us know how it's working on the long term once you get the details ironed out; because I'll be interested in seeing if a DIY PC enthusiast security setup like this is worth investing in
As said before, my x79/3930k not OC, 6c 12t, was 100% with 4 cameras triggered. 30% at idle. 16gb wasnt enough after awhile too, need to upgrade to 32gb. So I got the lowest power, highest core count xeon for x79. Which was a 2651v2. 12c 24t. Runs at only 1.8ghz. Now I'm 40% CPU now, with all 4 triggered, and 15% idle. This took about 30 bucks off my power bill too. This was with blue iris, windows 10, using reolink 1440p cameras @30fps
The plastic cover on the fan now comes screwed on from below, the screws hold onto the amd logo, gotta have the heatsink off the mobo to remove screws/ plastic
Regarding these security camera softwares, I don't have much knowledge of it myself. That being said, I know Byte My Bits uses Blue Iris for his setup, and he seems to be happy with that. You might want to get in touch with him
Don't sweat the USB webcams. They use the same CMOS as the IP cameras usually. The only thing I would aim for on your web cams is the ability to see IR for night vision. If you don't want night vision or the room has a light on at all times (IR doesn't work well with other lights on) you can skip on this feature. (EM Dispatcher of almost a decade)
The biggest downside to using USB cameras (aside from the lack of night vision) is cable lenght. Although you can use active cable extenders every 20 metres
I think... USB web cam does the compression on its own. The reason is the bandwidth of USB 2.0 is too low to transfer the raw video stream. That's why it's more expensive than just a camera module and a microphone....
So the other reason to not use webcams is they do not have night vision built in on the. POE cameras usually have IR emitters with varying ranges for distance to see in the dark. USB only has a 25ft limit where Poe can go up to 100 meters and with some NVRs over 500ft without and extender.
You actually can set GPU memory to use only 256MB. This does not affect performance in your case. Usually it's not even relevant for games, they will use regular RAM pages instead and in case of APUs it's all the same RAM and the same performance.
One of my good friends owns a surveillance CCTV company. I was just asking him the other night about the drives they use. They DON'T use the WD purple HDD because they are only 5400 rpm vs the WD black HDD which are 7200 rpm which they DO use, the purple HDD doesn't read as fast when you're trying to review footage. Also DON'T get cheap cameras with a plastic housing, they'll BURN UP within a couple years! Get cameras with an Aluminum housing, because the metal housing acts as a heat sink for the electronics inside making them last a LOT longer! You're basically building a "server" too, so don't cheap out on the PSU which has to run 24/7.
I usually recommend the milestone software which they let you use as long as it isn't more than 8 cameras and for personal use. Otherwise its a licensing fee.
A little apprehensive to have the underside of that 1TB hard drive with the circuit board exposed through those holes...Can you please place it on a mount or plate of some sort when you eventually put it in? Thanks.
There is a PoE "hat" available for the Raspberry Pi, or you can get standalone devices that extract the PoE power from the ethernet cable and can then power a non-PoE device
Outstanding video. Thank you Paul. I have installed a number of security cam systems. So far, I have always used commercially available NVRs because they are cheap and functional. Why did you decide to go the PC route?
I know you said you got the monoprice cameras for the employee discount, but I tend to like monoprice's stuff. Though, I don't know anything about their cameras, might be terrible for all I know.
First, nice beard man it fits you well and sorry everyone flamed you on this I ended up just buying a home surveillance system it's difficult I can see that now so I Appreciate your videos!
I like Blue Iris but it is System hungry. The hardware solutions can run 16 cams at high resolutions with out breaking a sweet. you start hitting 4mp cams BI will bug a system down. I like for a nice linuex software I could run on my system that the only thing running is the Blue Iris or what ever Camera security system used. yet with as many functions as what Blue Iris has that is what I do like about Blue Iris is it has loads and loads of futures are its cheap. .
Hey Paul, I'm upgrading a pc I built this spring and I am looking into including home surveillance into it's job duties. The current use of the pc are basic browsing/video watching, gaming (VR in the future), computer drafting and typical office type works. I'm planning a total of four 4k IP cameras to monitor the perimeter of my home and I want to build the system so worse case scenario all four cameras are recording whilst not significantly impeding performance of other uses. The current system consists of an X570 board and 16Gb of RAM. 5700XT and 650w gold rated PSU. Planning a 8 or 10Tb Purple HD for the surveillance alone. System already runs on 1Tb NVME M.2. This system will be watercooled as well. With Zen3 arriving in a couple months I plan for a 4000 series CPU. So my main concern is... how much CPU do I need for this machine to run without a hiccup in a max recording scenario?
I am actually looking for 4k "POE" cameras that can be moved and adjusted thru software. as well as 10TB rolling recording.4 cameras total. any good places to buy from or suggestions.
I was using Contacam for a few weeks then it started using 99% of the cpu and taking the 16GB of ram into the high 80 percent use with 3 cams just straight continuous recording an rtsp stream. Reboot worked sometimes for a few hours then started acting up again. I've since switched to Ivideon. I preferred Contacam but not working like that. I may try this Ispy as I have a bit of trouble trying to use Ivideon as just a local server. Software needs some work
The IP addresses your Camera's are using aren't correct. The IP Range 169.254.0.1-169.254.255.254 is used for whats called Automatic Private IP Addressing (APIPA). You should only get APIPA addresses if you its because your network isn't setup correctly. You don't have a real DHCP server based on the video. You either need to setup static IPs and subnets or setup an actual DHCP server on your camera network or set static IPs. If you don't you're going to have lots of intermittent issues with connectivity to the cameras when the recycle the address and check for a dhcp server again or you'll have a camera pick an randomly pick an IP thats not in the same subnet as the other cameras/server and completely lose access.
I tried iSpy but for some reason, the fps for each of my cameras was always really low (like 10fps). I have been using Blue Iris with a mix of inexpensive PTZ and fixed IP cameras for about three years without an issue. The Blue Iris apps for iphone and ipad are decent too.
people perfer hard spinning drive over SSD not only because its cheaper, but also many ppl run the camera recorder 24/7, and before hard drive fails you can kinda tell by the slow copying speed/unusual noise, and even after it fails, most of the time you will still have some data left. SSD on the other hand, once its dead, its dead, you cant recover anything
How big is the difference between the motion detection= pluss power, less write, OR Continous recording: less power (if less), vs continous writing wear?
Thanks for all the feedback everyone! Just to respond to the most common suggestion -- I will be changing the IP addresses! 😅
Share a link for the ip software please
I also work in the field, I do mainly Server and Network Management, but have come quite the IP Surveillance admin over the years as well. I recommend using software called "Milestone XProtect". It is not as intuitive as a setup, there is definitely a learning curve. But, the things you can do with this software is really mind blowing. Best of all, as long as you are using 8 Cameras or Less, they have a free version, it still needs a key but you get that for free on Install, and the software is completely unlocked for everything a home user would need and more, and you only have to start paying a license fee if you intend to use more then 8 camera's with the software. It also extremely scaleable across networks if you ever did license it. So for instance, if you ever got am office to work out of, or a second home or something, you could install the software on another PC there and tie together both systems through a VPN, and have a redundant setup where your recordings can copy across the VPN to the Other's PC, meaning you footage is in both places in case you ever lose one, and allows you to access your cameras from just one place. You get a web GUI interface to log into and view your cameras, and it displays them on your screen so you can easily see all cameras at once. I use it at my home, as well as have huge sprawling networks of Camera's setup at clients corporate offices, and they love what I can do with it.
Anyways, If you are interested in seeing what it can do, if you are curious, shoot me an email and I will gladly let you log into one of my networks to let you see it for yourself, I think you would be quite impressed with the possibilities. Best of all just like the software your using, it can be installed in a Windows Environment. My email is Matt@MattTheTech.net. Keep up the awesome work Paul!
PS. I used to use iSpy as well. It worked well, sort of, but I got sick of it crashing randomly, and the client was forced to pay that $12 monthly fee to be able to access remotely, and unfortunately remote access was shoddy.
With the XProtect setup you do not have to pay a monthly fee, and you can either just open a port on your router, or if you do it like we do in the Enterprise, you simply setup an IPSEC VPN on your network, and VPN in with your remote viewing device, whether that is a phone, tablet, laptop, or computer, and then you can access a Web interface to view the cameras. The awesome thing is it leverages the GPU or iGPU (Ryzen APU offloading is not yet compatible but I am hoping that will be coming in a future update) so it keeps both CPU usuage down on both the recording side, and the viewing side. If your cameras have PTZ, you can easily control the movement of your cameras through the browser interface, and even setup patrols. Really, anything you can think of, you can do. Anyways, would love to show you. Keep up the awesome content!
Thank you for these videos. It's great timing for me. I had a break in on nov13th. I ordered a large wd purple drive on black friday, but have stalled on were to go from there because I am having a hard time feeling confident on the other reviews and channels I've watched for ideas. I needed exactly this style of video for encouragement on the next steps for my own system.
Video title should be an idiot's guide to DIY home security 😊
Paul: "I'm an idiot"
Intro: "Excellent"
well, its a Bill and Ted reference... so it makes sense
Taking responsibility for mistakes:
Take note The Verge...
I thought the exact same thing the moment he said that.
No, the person who needs to take notice is Capital One. Sponsor Paul instead!
The verge should sponsor Paul's Hardware. Anyone else notice the innuendo in the name "Paul's hardware" ? Is the channel about Paul's actual "hardware"? Just sayin
yeah he gets thumbs up for that! :D
Good on you being humble enough to make mistakes, own them, & fix them. Holding yourself accountable is sometimes the hardest, but the most important thing to do.
The more mistakes you make the less I will when I eventually get around to setting up a security system.
Basically keep up the good work!
yeah, call Linus.
Hey Paul, still learning myself about camera's but I do know about cabling. The reason there are two types, Plenum and Riser depends on the ceiling environment. Riser cable when it burns will let on gases, not great for human breathing..... Plenum doesn't. The other difference, Plenum is most of the times twice as expensive...:( In most home type environments, cabling will all be in the sheet rock ceiling , so riser can be used. Hope this helps, and keep up the great work!!!!
18:21 I laughed more than I would like to admit
Don't worry, you are not alone
Paul,
I actually work in the security industry so this is one subject that I know very well.
Ok, first comment is regarding your switch. The one you showed only has 4 ports that are POE capable out of the 8. That said, you'd have to buy another switch (or poe injector) if you added a 5th POE camera.
Another note about the switch and network planning. Being a 10/100 switch you need to be careful about bandwidth bottlenecks. From the video I couldn't tell what the uplink port was but I'm assuming that it also was 10/100. You need to take into account the maximum bandwidth per camera. If you have 10 cameras that max out at 10mbps then you'll have issues.
My last comment is about ONVIF. You did say it correctly but one thing I wanted to add is that not all camera functionality is available via onvif or the rtsp stream. For example, depending in the video management software (vms) and/or camera, things like recording on motion or dewarping for 360° cameras won't always work.
If you want to chat more I'd be happy to help! 😁
This is the kind of attitude that will bring a community forward.
Blue Iris is a one time $60 charge for up to 64 cameras.
BlueIris is great
I set this up recently and have been loving it other than a few UI and configuration quirks. The built in web server is dead simple to set up and has a good UI as well so you don't need to worry about crushing your internet trying to dump a dozen video streams onto a cloud service.
I'd prefer a non Chinese camera but it seems like they all come from there anyway. I went with amcrest since they were on sale at Microcenter. They're on a separate VLAN with no WAN access, which in theory should stop any exploits or backdoors.
I also have it running on the same box as my NAS and media server via Proxmox, which I'd highly recommend you checking out Paul! Fun project.
Just checked their site, says $69.95 US. Price bump?
@@Calamity_Jack IPCamTalk has it cheaper. They're GTG.
store.ipcamtalk.com/shop/blue-iris-software/
@@Calamity_Jack Yea this past year they did a price bump. It used to be 60 Eur, now its 80Eur.
Riser rated cable is required by code for running between floors. The cabe is self extinguishing in the event of fire(attempt to keep from spreading the fire). Plenum rated cable is for running in air handling areas, vents, ducts, above drop ceiling where that space is used for air return. When Plenum cable burns the fumes it gives off is not supposed to be toxic.
The best thing about POE is that you can just plug your switch into the same UPS as your storage box and now all your cameras are still on during an outage :)
Lycerion but this can be done with normal DVRs right?
@@agoogleuser9025 Sure, but then you don't get the other benefits of IP cameras like better quality, flexibility and versatility in building your system, remote monitoring and management, customizing settings and alerts, etc. Analog cameras still have the advantage for anyone who wants a basic cheap system that "just works", but you can do a lot of neat stuff with IP.
Use Blue Iris software it has motion or continuous recording also and if you have intel CPU it can take advantage of hardware acceleration. It has so many features but the best part my outside cams I have setup motion no alert and created another new camera in the software and made it hidden and setup cross zoning it will track objects and if they cross a line you can make it do alert run a script etc. so basically anyone that walks on to my property I get alert on my phone 0 false alerts. Takes some fine tuning.
Look into the deepquest AI program someone wrote on the IPcamtalk forum! It is brilliant and bring AI into Blueiris for freee!
Thank you for addressing your mistakes in a great, straight-forward way. Just another reason why I watch all of your videos, keep up the good work, looking forward to the livestream.
Watching someone like yourself learn on the fly is so refreshing to see. Social media has become more about delivering a polished product that never shows the fumbles and issues that come up for just about everyone. Thank you for showing us that it is ok to be human.
I’m planning on doing a completely wired home security system as well without any WiFi. Your videos have not only given me ideas but will ease the pain when I run into the inevitable issues. Cheers
The algorithm says i must comment. Also i love it when you throw shade at kyle.
With a system such as yours I’d recommend using blue iris and completely irradicating the webcams
This. Blue Iris is simply the best NVR software out there, period. Set mine up over a year ago and never looked back, it just works.
Are they all POE ports, looked like only one bank of 4 was marked POE
I noticed that as well
It takes a real man to admit his fault, publicly, tell everyone what was done wrong, how he could have done better, and then forge ahead utilizing the constructive criticism given constructively. You got a new watcher today.
I would suggest not keep the local IP addresses as "169.*.*.*" This "169" ip format is an indication of of an unavailable DHCP server and could cause conflict if you ever have an issue with your actual connected network because if your actual network fails with your ISP ect, the IP will default to 169.*.*.* It means, the computer is not connected properly to the network or the computer was not authorized to connect to the network. Just a tip from a networking nerd.
Also he's using /16 subnet with a shitton IP's. That should be changed.
APIPA
@@jblps All those damn ip's wasted xD should probably just /29 or /28 maximum
Yep. This. I suggest 10.1.1.0/24 . No need to go down from there, and certainly the easiest to type.
About 2 years ago I went through all this stuff you are doing. Spent hours of my life and realized it's so much easier to just buy a Wester Digital Readuview nvr kit for $200 and its 100% plug and okay and even has an app. Literally took me 30 mins to unplug my old Poe cams and hook this up.
That web interface for the cams looks identical to what HIKvision uses, probably just a rebadge of their cams.
Damn, that Verge PC build video is never going to be forgotten!! It will live on forever :)
Riser rated cable just means that it has a special fire rated jacket that will theoretically self extinguish and is meant to be run in non plenum(air handling areas) spaces such as in your walls while a plenum cable has a special jacket that is also self extinguishing and also does not emit any toxic smoke when burning since it is meant to go in areas that handle air such as ducts.
Hi Paul... I run a 4,500 camera system and have evaluated most of the products people have talked about here. May I suggest you look at Milestone Essential. I believe it supports up to 8 free cameras and 7 days of retention. They have a free mobile portal/app as well.
Throw two 4tb WD purples in raid 1 and you'll be set. Milestone is a happy to run 24/7 in a windows environment and is compatible with almost Onvif cameras.
The biggest issue you'll have with those monoprice cameras is low light visibility, back scatter off on the dome from IR, or a WDR for face on a bright background
Glad you followed up on the surveillance video, and especially called out and glad kudos to constructive solutions of the viewers!! Paul, you dear sir, are the real deal class act. Thanks for the quality content!
When you dropped that disk thru tray LMAO
Hey Paul, was their ever a follow up to this one? I enjoyed this content a lot but I can't find if you did a follow up. Keep up the good work.
glad your doing this some of us can learn together lol just bought a house and trying to figure out an easy solution myself.
Riser vs Plenum cable refers to fire safety when installed inside your walls.
Thank you Paul, allowing us to learn along with you goes a long way in helping those considering this path to avoid the same pitfalls (visions of 8-bit guy swinging on a vine)
Use a Hikvision NVR (your camera's are rebranded Hikvision ONVIF). Built in POE, purpose built to handle cameras, no licensing fees, 1/4 of the cost of your PC, can provide network segmentation because of the built in switch, and plenty of other reasons. Also use IVMS 4200 for your viewing software.
Kudos on learning from community and delving into a subject you are not familiar with.
I have a lot more respect for Paul after this video. It takes courage to do a video like this.
Thanks Paul, I was looking to do this myself and have learned from your mistakes and probably saved myself some grief and $$$.
Cat5 riser is meant for running a wire through multiple levels of a building or home. Plenum wire has a different coating that is less toxic during a fire and is typically used when running above a drop ceiling or when you have to run a wire through air ducts. The only difference between cat5 and cat6 is the data flow and the twisting. Cat6 is kinda over kill for security cameras unless you are using it as a trunk wire connecting 10 or more cameras to another switch or NVR recorder.
Its amazing how many folks don't have even basic home severance. Its so cheap now and works way better that it did years ago.
Drop the Vcore, most Ryzen APUs can run sub 1.3v stable. That should help with temperature without the need to upgrade the cooler/cooling.
You just now got a crimping tool ? I have like 3 of them since '2000 .... don't use them much but you being a builder ... thought you would have a WIDE selection of them ! Anyway .... that caught my ear ... keep up GREAT work !
As someone who used to install DVR systems, just use poe cameras. Unless ur guarding gold bars no one is going to cut ur power and wait 15min for a battery backup to die. Just dont use iot.
If you don't mind paying for software sighthound is a good turnkey solution for differentiating between people, objects, vehicles, etc. Along with constant recording with motion highlights on the timeline.
I have an inferred lamp over my car. Amazing bit of kit. Very very bright and only works for cameras that the inferred throw is not very far and I’m using Swann
Paul - So glad I found your channel man. I was watching your NewEgg videos back in 2011 - had no idea you were on UA-cam. You were great then and remain a fantastic channel. Keep up the good work man.
Get a pci-e riser or flex cable and run a separate gigabit NIC. Also cut the bracket (flat) for those two usb ports, cut/drill the chassis and pop rivet them literally anywhere (if you want)
Riser cable and plenum cable have more to do with what sort of atmosphere they are in. Riser cable is more general use while Plenum is required by code in office spaces where the cold air return is just above the ceiling tiles. Riser is perfectly fine for use in a house, even an attic. Plenum is better but more expensive. Neither is out door rated.
Would love a follow up video interviewing an expert doing pros and cons of a complete DIY solution vs the various "in a box" solutions. Maybe Kyle and paul can do a compare contrast on the various features their system has/lacks
the switch has eight ports but only four of them are POE as shown by the bracket
Can't recall the video I saw on Yt comparing IP camera's, but based on that comparison I bought myself a Reolink RLC-410 5MP and I'm very happy with it.
Reolink app and external connection is possible (might want to setup your FW if you don't want it, not an issue if you don't setup internet connectivity). Supports ONVIF for recording and remote management (compatible with Synology Surveillance Station). Also works with PoE.
If the camera's support it, you may want to set up your own NTP-server (since they won't have internet access so it seems), to keep the different cams in sync
i think u still can the DHCP enabled just have the range 20-255, and put IP address from 2-19.
Good luck!
Cool DIY learning project. Always learning something new from your channel. Thanx
Any decent DHCP server can be configured to assign the same address to the same device in perpetuity
14:15 -- Paul that is incorrect. PIs can be used with PoE 802.3af standard, but to enable this feature you need a "HAT" add on to the GPIO pins.
This feature is only available on the 3B+ and the 4B
Doing this will allow you to use USB cameras with a PI over PoE.
Someone may have that pointed out already, but lower your Voltage and set it to a fixed value. Ryzen doesnt really need more than 1.3ish Volts on stock settings. Asus and Gigabyte are grabbing somewhat high with their Defaults.
Professional installations can still use Cat5e or Cat6 no problem.
You should also check out a software called milestone. It’s a professional grade software that you can use for free if you have 8 cameras or less I think. We just setup a system that is using about a hundred with more planned.
Wendell from L1Techs did a video recently that crushes this subject. Would definitely recommend. Maybe a collab even :)
Was about to recommend the same thing. Yes, collab with Wendle from Level 1 Techs would be awesome!
You have to be an actual computer to work with Wendell .... he is a bit much ! LOL ( smart fucker )
Hey, I know him. Watching that video now 😁
you can run POE adaptors to the pi which takes the POE power and converts it to 5v (or 12/24/48 depending on use case) to power the PI and get data as well , i have a few of these about to run a secondary redundancy NAS and some lights (as long as its under 15 watt per port) there is also a new standard which can handle alot more power , i know ubiquity have them
We need TWO more videos, not just one - gotta have that 6 month update video to let us know how it's working on the long term once you get the details ironed out; because I'll be interested in seeing if a DIY PC enthusiast security setup like this is worth investing in
As said before, my x79/3930k not OC, 6c 12t, was 100% with 4 cameras triggered. 30% at idle. 16gb wasnt enough after awhile too, need to upgrade to 32gb. So I got the lowest power, highest core count xeon for x79. Which was a 2651v2. 12c 24t. Runs at only 1.8ghz. Now I'm 40% CPU now, with all 4 triggered, and 15% idle. This took about 30 bucks off my power bill too. This was with blue iris, windows 10, using reolink 1440p cameras @30fps
PoE splitters are very useful with any remote/far off devices which aren't native PoE.
When you dropped the CD through the tray.. I laughed, sorry :P
music, disks? PS4 guy?
@@lucasrem Never owned a console, what?
The plastic cover on the fan now comes screwed on from below, the screws hold onto the amd logo, gotta have the heatsink off the mobo to remove screws/ plastic
Regarding these security camera softwares, I don't have much knowledge of it myself. That being said, I know Byte My Bits uses Blue Iris for his setup, and he seems to be happy with that. You might want to get in touch with him
Nice. I'm trying to set up my own home security soon with a similar setup. Glad you're doing the learning for me so I don't have to.
Awesome Paul! already looking for parts to replicate this for our house. 😁 I love DIY stuff!
Running a simple dhcp server on that closed network would make this all much more simple (then make reservations so they always get the same IPs)
Don't sweat the USB webcams. They use the same CMOS as the IP cameras usually. The only thing I would aim for on your web cams is the ability to see IR for night vision. If you don't want night vision or the room has a light on at all times (IR doesn't work well with other lights on) you can skip on this feature. (EM Dispatcher of almost a decade)
Monoprice cameras are HikVision with the name rubbed off. Same software and all. No idea who Platinum are, perhaps Monoprice's brand?
These ones are LTS cams by the model #s and logo... definitely rebranded Hikvision.
The biggest downside to using USB cameras (aside from the lack of night vision) is cable lenght. Although you can use active cable extenders every 20 metres
I think... USB web cam does the compression on its own. The reason is the bandwidth of USB 2.0 is too low to transfer the raw video stream. That's why it's more expensive than just a camera module and a microphone....
I use Cat 5e and they work just fine. But been upgrading to shielded Cat 6 with shielded ends.
Love this video, great job troubleshooting and I enjoy watching your process.
So the other reason to not use webcams is they do not have night vision built in on the. POE cameras usually have IR emitters with varying ranges for distance to see in the dark. USB only has a 25ft limit where Poe can go up to 100 meters and with some NVRs over 500ft without and extender.
You actually can set GPU memory to use only 256MB. This does not affect performance in your case. Usually it's not even relevant for games, they will use regular RAM pages instead and in case of APUs it's all the same RAM and the same performance.
I actually recommend his product placement. Using the mm710 now and love it
Keep making these DIY videos. I'm still planning a DIY surveillance solution for my Mom's garden in her back yard. She has shady neighbors.
One of my good friends owns a surveillance CCTV company. I was just asking him the other night about the drives they use. They DON'T use the WD purple HDD because they are only 5400 rpm vs the WD black HDD which are 7200 rpm which they DO use, the purple HDD doesn't read as fast when you're trying to review footage. Also DON'T get cheap cameras with a plastic housing, they'll BURN UP within a couple years! Get cameras with an Aluminum housing, because the metal housing acts as a heat sink for the electronics inside making them last a LOT longer! You're basically building a "server" too, so don't cheap out on the PSU which has to run 24/7.
I usually recommend the milestone software which they let you use as long as it isn't more than 8 cameras and for personal use. Otherwise its a licensing fee.
A little apprehensive to have the underside of that 1TB hard drive with the circuit board exposed through those holes...Can you please place it on a mount or plate of some sort when you eventually put it in? Thanks.
love the honesty mate! top marks!
I’ve had a blink system for 2 years and I love it.
I love that you wore a GN shirt in this... Just something very tasteful about it lol.
Correction, that POE switch has 4 POE Ports ports 1-5 are not powered and 6-9 are.
USB cable length will be an issue. Just use IP Cams and reduce the system to a more minimal setup. Its total overkill if using IP Cams.
There is a PoE "hat" available for the Raspberry Pi, or you can get standalone devices that extract the PoE power from the ethernet cable and can then power a non-PoE device
Outstanding video. Thank you Paul. I have installed a number of security cam systems. So far, I have always used commercially available NVRs because they are cheap and functional. Why did you decide to go the PC route?
I know you said you got the monoprice cameras for the employee discount, but I tend to like monoprice's stuff. Though, I don't know anything about their cameras, might be terrible for all I know.
First, nice beard man it fits you well and sorry everyone flamed you on this I ended up just buying a home surveillance system it's difficult I can see that now so I Appreciate your videos!
I like Blue Iris but it is System hungry. The hardware solutions can run 16 cams at high resolutions with out breaking a sweet. you start hitting 4mp cams BI will bug a system down. I like for a nice linuex software I could run on my system that the only thing running is the Blue Iris or what ever Camera security system used. yet with as many functions as what Blue Iris has that is what I do like about Blue Iris is it has loads and loads of futures are its cheap. .
I know nothing about security cam setups, but there are some “the verge” vibes in the networking part of the video :P Love your content though.
Marius Hagland Yeah but that’s true of all the enthusiast guys. I think Linus is about the worst.
It's good that you are making the mistakes so we dont have to :)
Software suggestion ISpyConnect is open source and handles multi cam setups nice!
Hey Paul, I'm upgrading a pc I built this spring and I am looking into including home surveillance into it's job duties. The current use of the pc are basic browsing/video watching, gaming (VR in the future), computer drafting and typical office type works. I'm planning a total of four 4k IP cameras to monitor the perimeter of my home and I want to build the system so worse case scenario all four cameras are recording whilst not significantly impeding performance of other uses. The current system consists of an X570 board and 16Gb of RAM. 5700XT and 650w gold rated PSU. Planning a 8 or 10Tb Purple HD for the surveillance alone. System already runs on 1Tb NVME M.2. This system will be watercooled as well. With Zen3 arriving in a couple months I plan for a 4000 series CPU. So my main concern is... how much CPU do I need for this machine to run without a hiccup in a max recording scenario?
I am actually looking for 4k "POE" cameras that can be moved and adjusted thru software. as well as 10TB rolling recording.4 cameras total. any good places to buy from or suggestions.
I don’t know if you’re on a diet or whatever but you’re looking skinnier than usual! Good job Paul!
I work at a place that really specializes in this stuff. 16 minutes in, I gotta say, good video so far
I was using Contacam for a few weeks then it started using 99% of the cpu and taking the 16GB of ram into the high 80 percent use with 3 cams just straight continuous recording an rtsp stream. Reboot worked sometimes for a few hours then started acting up again. I've since switched to Ivideon. I preferred Contacam but not working like that. I may try this Ispy as I have a bit of trouble trying to use Ivideon as just a local server. Software needs some work
The IP addresses your Camera's are using aren't correct. The IP Range 169.254.0.1-169.254.255.254 is used for whats called Automatic Private IP Addressing (APIPA). You should only get APIPA addresses if you its because your network isn't setup correctly. You don't have a real DHCP server based on the video. You either need to setup static IPs and subnets or setup an actual DHCP server on your camera network or set static IPs. If you don't you're going to have lots of intermittent issues with connectivity to the cameras when the recycle the address and check for a dhcp server again or you'll have a camera pick an randomly pick an IP thats not in the same subnet as the other cameras/server and completely lose access.
I tried iSpy but for some reason, the fps for each of my cameras was always really low (like 10fps). I have been using Blue Iris with a mix of inexpensive PTZ and fixed IP cameras for about three years without an issue. The Blue Iris apps for iphone and ipad are decent too.
Why would you need more than 10 fps for a security cam? You'll just end up using more storage space.
Hey Paul, interest wise. where has this project taken you? Different program, changes to computer or cameras? Thanks
people perfer hard spinning drive over SSD not only because its cheaper, but also many ppl run the camera recorder 24/7, and before hard drive fails you can kinda tell by the slow copying speed/unusual noise, and even after it fails, most of the time you will still have some data left. SSD on the other hand, once its dead, its dead, you cant recover anything
How big is the difference between the motion detection= pluss power, less write, OR Continous recording: less power (if less), vs continous writing wear?