Well done. I’m an experienced shooter, grew up with fiberglass and bear laminates. Some compound bows, but prefer the longbow and recurves. Looking at trying the Asian style and thumb release. Thank you.
You guys are: Precise, concise, and present facts in a manner which are congruent with the art of the task. Great work. I am a retired engineer and really appreciate your presentation. Thanks
It was nice to have the anatomy of the bow explained. How the string relates to the bow etc. I draw lighter weights, but on horseback, and really appreciate the information on vertical and lateral stability. Thank you.😍🙏🏼👍
I really like these two gents. Having watched this video I'm now pretty confident in my two choices of my first bow. It's either the Black Mamba from Flagella Dei or the Black shadow from Freddie Archery.
Thanks for the info, always learn something new from your vids. Originally I got into traditional recurves, & one day I picked up a Mongolian horse/war bow they had at the archery I go to & I've been hooked ever since that first shot! I just got that Tartar bow from AF archery & thats just such an awesome bow, & I also have one o those plastic crab bows you had in the vid. Anyway love your videos man!
Thank you for the great content. Could you please give a few more informations about the advantage of different handle shapes? For example turkish style in comparison to ming style were the curvature is on the opposit side.
Your videos are great. I've been shooting a fiber glass for two years. A 30@28 ( my DL is around 32/33 ) I'm now looking for a laminated. Would a 10 pounds upgrade be too much or Shall I go with a 5 pound?
omg, it's so interesting to think of natural equipments as a living organism. This applies to instruments as well~! I haven't finished the video yet but it's so interesting so far!
Can you recommend a site that sells carbon fiber bows at 60lbs? I tried looking but there either aren't a lot of results, don't ship to my country, or have a lower poundage than desired. Looking for a durable Asiatic bow that can last for a long time cuz I'll be practicing with it every day
Ĝreat info guys, it's going to help me make informed decisions when designing my selfbows/sinew backed selfbows, I'm currently working on a sinew backed osage bow thats inspired by an Asiatic design. Tthanks guys,
Ouah! I shall listen to your video 10 years sooner! Would save me bad decisions, yours advice for beginners got to be followed like you said it’s not a shame to began with a 25 pounds bow and gradually upgraded! In contrary it’s intelligent, you avoid injury and discouragement.
I live in Oklahoma it gets hot here in the summer and it gets very Cold I love solid fiberglass bows I have many of them I shoot with all the time I have had many wood and fiberglass laminate bows but for me I like solid fiberglass because of the weather patterns we have here in Oklahoma I do own some wood and fiberglass laminate bows but I prefer solid fiberglass over a laminate bow I don't want to worry about the laminate coming apart ever and The will separate over time because of the weather patterns we have here in Oklahoma thanks for the video..
This is the toast and jelly of Asiatic bow videos! I like it so much I got jam on my nock. Thx! I just received one of the Nomad Warrior fiberglass horse bows and am having a blast with it.
Thank you for sharing this information. I'm looking into getting a Asiatic bow and hopefully more in the future. Beautiful works of art and history you can actually hold in your hand
It is good for a string bridge to be made in a way to catch the string, but the reason for the string bridge to exist in the first place is to shorten the string just before the arrow flies off the bow which then speeds up the arrow.
Bamboo and ash wood which one is better for speed in asiatic bow and all asiatic bow limb core are made of ???? Some Bowyer said that bamboo or some other say its same its depend on gluing
omg, it's so interesting to think of natural equipments as a living organism. This applies to instruments as well~! I haven't finished the video yet but it's so interesting so far!
I've been trying to learn more about the cultural differences in bow builds, and styles of archery through history. I found your video to be very informative. I appreciate the breakdown of many simple mechanics, like the string tip bow-back. would you happen to have any more recommendations on videos, describing any more historical information on bows of the region?
I can suggest a couple of nice starting resources: (1) ATARN: www.atarn.org/ (2) Peter Dekker's Manchu Archery site: www.manchuarchery.org/articles-manchu-archery
Great video! Very educational - thank you! I appear to have accidentally chosen an OK bow - although I knew/understood very little of what you've just explained. At least, now I know more about why it's a good bow...
Great video. Also really like your book too. Not enough books about ancient Chinese military history/manual. Finally, your book got me very interested in picking up Chinese archery.
Hi Lee, please have a look at the last paragraph of the "Bows" section of this interview I gave with Kungfu Magazine. www.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=1416 "Something you can keep in mind for a (distant) future purchase is a horn composite bow, whose prices range from $1,000 to $3,500. Some of the pioneering masters of the modern horn bow making revival have made Chinese-style designs, including Jaap Koppedrayer of YUMI Bows (Georgia, USA), Lukas Novotny of Saluki Bow (Florida, USA), Jang Yuhua (Taiwan), and Gao Xiang (Heilongjiang, China). There is also an energetic new generation of horn bow makers joining the revival, including Seventy-Nine (七九), disciple of Gao Xiang from Zhejiang, China; Li Qingyang (李青阳) from Chongqing, China; Alex Wittenaar of Medicine Bows (Switzerland); and Jiri Koulak of Tengri Bows (Czech Republic)."
Great advice. Personally, I own a plastic (crab) bow; a fibre glass and laminated Asian bows and love shooting them all. This information is gold- keep up the good work. Flaxen Saxon.
Ok, here is a question i have long had. Please do not judge me too harshly for ignorance, because i am just trying to understand all of these things with bows & ancient history. Bows are so much more sophisticated than they appear on the surface -and, historically are certainly not McDonald's style mass production creatures like we tend to think of them through video games, role-playing games, or even just imagining them in terms of current technology when all the processes, materials, and measurements have been standardized & become universal. How is it that in the Western Hemisphere, where we are told Asiatic people settled so long ago, that the bow technology was so terrible (by comparison). While in many instances, the level of archery as a transmitted & evolving skill was still extraordinary as it was also in Asia, and in certain niches elsewhere, the level of development of the bow technology was no where near the Asian counterparts. The only idea that i can even begin to place on the table is a matter of priority. In the Americas the bow was still always a hunting tool first, a war tool second. Of course you had to develop excellent technique for good hunting, but... & this is where the idea becomes more confusing... they didn't seem to place technology on as high a priority as individual skill at your craft. And maybe that says more about us than about them. Animals didn't spontaneously start growing armor because our arrows got sharper or bows got stronger. But people did -according to how much they invested in warfare technology! ;) Just a thought. Why do you think this was?
I'm an archaeology/anthropology student and I think you're right, many Native Americans were hunter gatherers and for them bows were more for hunting than for warfare, so it wouldn't have made sense for them to waste time and resources building horn bows when wooden self bows were more practical in their situation. Many of the agricultural native nations in what is now the Eastern US lived in fortified towns and were often at war with each other, but in that case they lived in a heavily forested region where woods that are good for making self bows such as osage orange and hickory were plentiful, so they ended up using longbows instead of inventing hornbows for warfare. In Mexico, archery played an important role in warfare, however the Aztecs associated archery with the hunter gatherer tribes to the north of them so they looked down on bows as being weapons for primitive barbarians, and they preferred to use atlatls for ranged warfare, which they saw as being more civilized.
What you said is also so true for Korean traditional bows, be they carbon versions or hornbows. When you made the comment that natural bows are like "living, breathing beings", I thought of my impressions/conclusions that Korean hornbows have a personality and character. Some I've loved; some I've hated. Unlike synthetic bows, where the materials are identical; the sinew, bamboo or wood, and the horn that are used to make the bows have the strengths, but also the imperfections of these once living things. No two hornbows are exactly the same. Learning to get in harmony with your bow can be quite a challenge, but is quite rewording when accomplished. Thank you for the informative and enjoyable video on this overlooked form of archery. Best and many hits.
Hunting, probably a Turkish or Korean bow bec they have a wide selection of quality laminate bows online. And they both have arrow speed for a Trad bow. A deer can outrun an arrow once it heard the string slapping so the speed helps. Target shooting, a Manchu style. Preferably the Tibetan or Mongol short version. 80lbs is a good weight for a reasonably fit dude. Just has to condition for a few months. It's fun and satisfying having your heavy arrow make a loud impact. The problem is finding a laminate Manchu bow of that weight. Biocomposite and real horn is too much $
I've been shooting my cheap plastic Timber Creek mamba for a while now and I have been wanting to get an upgrade for my asiatic style collection. Is there a term for the type of chinese bow with those gigantic siyah and string bridges, as I think they are things of beauty? Would anyone recommend one? Has anyone had experience with HuntingDoor?
I have a few Asiatic bows. The best thing about them is that, when you switch back to conventional recurve center-shot bows, you'll feel like an Olympic Gold-Medalist.
This is very true. I shoot trad western style bows and recently got myself an eastern style bow. What a difference! It's like starting all over again. What surprised me was you cannot even see your arrow tip if using thumbdraw to get a reference point so this type of bow is the hardest to get used to and be prepared to get totally frustrated when starting out. Once you do get the hang of it however, WOW! you will fall in love with this type of archery.Totally different type of feeling.Wish I'd got into this type of archery years ago. These bows are the most beautiful of bows and a huge a huge range of choice out there. Something for everyone.
Laminated angular bows like one of the ones I have are very fast and dont wiggle. Angular bows are the fastest bows I've seen. 195 fps with 10gpp arrows. Most other bows with 10gpp are 170 fps
Hi guys, thanks for the nice, informative video. It helped me to decide to buy a Korean bow :) Btw I found out from several sources that while shooting a bow without a "cut out shelf" (traditional ambidextrous asian) with the thumb technique, the spine should be higher than usual. For example for a 40lbs bow 32" arrow lenght the spine should be 600-800. It kinda makes sense for bows without the protraction, because we probably need the arrow to be more "wobblier" to correct its flight. But it's just my guess, could you please clarify if this is right?
@@TheWayofArchery Another source, actually pretty informative video on khatra release, said that, historically, people tried to use as stiff an arrow as possible. And that's why khatra has been developed. So I suppose you are quite right :D I'll definitely try out different arrows then. Thanks.
16:51 this, 100% You don't start lifting weights with the largest weights because you simply will have poor form, and will likely injure yourself - and break the floor, too! Don't listen to those archery snobs who say you must start with 50# or more. What's the bet they couldn't draw and hold for more than a second anyway 😅
Thanks. Various makers. You can see this article for some ideas, though some brands may no longer be available: www.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=1416
Depends on your appetite for reading. It's okay to read a little, practice a little. Reading ahead of time is okay, but you may find that after you've practiced a while, certain chapters start to take on more relevance and are easier to absorb.
@@TheWayofArchery thank you! I ask as I am also searching for a heavier bow (45 pounds) as I improve over time. Any suggestions? Mostly so I can get stronger in this book and technique.
Is Hungary in Asia? ...because they have very similar bows since stone age... Straight longbows are not as efficient as laminated recurves, west and east had both varieties in the past...
Very nice. Certainly, this is all theory, your experience may differ considering your actual bow. Most of these bows seem like Grózer replicas. Just one hint: never use a fast flight string for your quality energy-storing recurve-reflex Asiatic bow.
Lukas Novotny's Saluki bows were actually the inspiration for a number of these makers. These makers also issue fast flight strings by default for their bows. Obviously, you have to check with the maker.
I've got an odd question for you. I do LARP archery, and we use arrows that have large, round foam heads attached. Usually our arrows end up weighing around 1,000 grains. We're limited to a 35# pull at 28". Would a slimmer tip be desirable for getting these arrows flying more quickly or would larger tips have more of an advantage?
Haven't done the test to confirm, but first guess is the arrow-mass to bow-draw-weight ratio would be so high that you're better off with a bow that maximizes stored potential energy. This would be something like a Manchu bow. A Manchu bow with slimmer tips would be an extra bonus. Of course if you're not drawing long enough to take advantage of the Manchu design, any medium size bow would do. Best to use a chronograph to measure arrow speed with whatever bow you decide to use.
In what size increments would you suggest increasing draw weight. i have been shooting a 50 pound fiberglass bow for about a year now and the weight is quite easy for me now. So... I thought it would be a good idea to go up in draw weight so i get less arrow drop at further distances. So i went and got a 110 pound Monster. Hahahaha... not very smart i know. I cant even draw the beast fully.
jacob s 5--7# increments would provide the smoothest progression. Even 10--20# jumps are not fun or advisable. Please see our article for more info: sites.google.com/view/beyond-strength/home
What bow is that you are using at the very beginning to discuss the parts of the bow? I've been shooting more conventional recurves for a few years, and that one in particular stood out as very appealing.
R. Parker The bow you're referring to is a Spearman Xiaoshao, for which you can find more info here: www.cinnabarbow.com/marinerbows/laoqiang.html#xiaoshao
Very informative and nice video, gentlemen. If only I've seen it before purchasing my bow. I have a 40 pound Fiberglass bow. Do you think its a too much for a beginner? I can draw it no problem up to 33 inches. I can hold it draw for a long time as well. Only thing that bothers me is, that I do "Wiggle" when I hold it drawn. Will I get bad habbits from it or do I get it better with practice and I can continue to practise with it? Thank you.
If your current bow is 40#@28", and you're drawing to 33", it's probably weighing 50--53#@33". That's quite a lot for a beginner. Maybe you'll want to see if you can get a 35#@28" or 30#@28" bow just to check whether your "wiggle" goes away. With too many "wiggling" repetitions, your brain might think that "wiggling" is normal, which would be a bad thing.
@@TheWayofArchery Thank you for your sugestions. It's out of my budget to buy another bow right now. I should knew better... I stick with the 40# but will not draw it over 30" until my technique is better. So I can minimalize learning bad habbits. I took a friend with me today and let her to film me while practising. It was interesting to see how my stance, drawing, holding and releasing is. I can compare it to your tutorials and see my mistakes. It's a far away from propper thumbrelease. My release is not very clean and I tend to move my releasing hand 1-2cm forwards before release. But my thumb career is 3 days old :D If you like you can watch it and meybe give me some tips. ua-cam.com/video/8FADxVHqMoA/v-deo.html Have a nice day.
I mention the difference between fiberglass and laminated bows in this interview w/ Kung Fu Magazine: www.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=1416
So glad that you're putting this out there. These are the things we really want to know when starting out.
thanks for the support !
I also found this a great video!
Well done. I’m an experienced shooter, grew up with fiberglass and bear laminates. Some compound bows, but prefer the longbow and recurves. Looking at trying the Asian style and thumb release. Thank you.
Great video, thx for the clear explanation!!
great video,thx very much
What is the bow at 3:30? I love that long recurve!
gblan That one is the Mariner Spring & Autumn 1: www.cinnabarbow.com/marinerbows/bamboo.html
You guys are: Precise, concise, and present facts in a manner which are congruent with the art of the task. Great work. I am a retired engineer and really appreciate your presentation. Thanks
It was nice to have the anatomy of the bow explained. How the string relates to the bow etc. I draw lighter weights, but on horseback, and really appreciate the information on vertical and lateral stability. Thank you.😍🙏🏼👍
oh wow... you have to tell me where you got that second bow you used as the second example for a "large tip bow"
great introductory info. I have several recurves, longbows and compounds and want to start collecting a few asiatic bows. How about some bow reviews?
look up Armin Hirmer. Lots of reviews and good insight and tutorials along with the reviews.
I really like these two gents. Having watched this video I'm now pretty confident in my two choices of my first bow. It's either the Black Mamba from Flagella Dei or the Black shadow from Freddie Archery.
I find these bows very interesting, I want to get one of these types of bows for horse archery so I look forward to more videos from your channel!
Did you buy one?
Thanks for the info, always learn something new from your vids. Originally I got into traditional recurves, & one day I picked up a Mongolian horse/war bow they had at the archery I go to & I've been hooked ever since that first shot! I just got that Tartar bow from AF archery & thats just such an awesome bow, & I also have one o those plastic crab bows you had in the vid. Anyway love your videos man!
Thank you for the great content. Could you please give a few more informations about the advantage of different handle shapes? For example turkish style in comparison to ming style were the curvature is on the opposit side.
good topic , we will cover it in the future
Your videos are great. I've been shooting a fiber glass for two years. A 30@28 ( my DL is around 32/33 ) I'm now looking for a laminated. Would a 10 pounds upgrade be too much or Shall I go with a 5 pound?
omg, it's so interesting to think of natural equipments as a living organism. This applies to instruments as well~! I haven't finished the video yet but it's so interesting so far!
Can you recommend a site that sells carbon fiber bows at 60lbs? I tried looking but there either aren't a lot of results, don't ship to my country, or have a lower poundage than desired. Looking for a durable Asiatic bow that can last for a long time cuz I'll be practicing with it every day
Ĝreat info guys, it's going to help me make informed decisions when designing my selfbows/sinew backed selfbows, I'm currently working on a sinew backed osage bow thats inspired by an Asiatic design. Tthanks guys,
Hello, I'm archer from Indonesia
Hello back I'm a arrow flinger from the US.
@@fracturedhearts3734 arrow tosser here
Ouah! I shall listen to your video 10 years sooner! Would save me bad decisions, yours advice for beginners got to be followed like you said it’s not a shame to began with a 25 pounds bow and gradually upgraded! In contrary it’s intelligent, you avoid injury and discouragement.
I live in Oklahoma it gets hot here in the summer and it gets very Cold I love solid fiberglass bows I have many of them I shoot with all the time I have had many wood and fiberglass laminate bows but for me I like solid fiberglass because of the weather patterns we have here in Oklahoma I do own some wood and fiberglass laminate bows but I prefer solid fiberglass over a laminate bow I don't want to worry about the laminate coming apart ever and The will separate over time because of the weather patterns we have here in Oklahoma thanks for the video..
This is the toast and jelly of Asiatic bow videos! I like it so much I got jam on my nock. Thx! I just received one of the Nomad Warrior fiberglass horse bows and am having a blast with it.
Really helpfull, thank you so much!
What is the best set up for deer hunting? In regards to Asiatic bows.
Thank you for sharing this information. I'm looking into getting a Asiatic bow and hopefully more in the future. Beautiful works of art and history you can actually hold in your hand
It is good for a string bridge to be made in a way to catch the string, but the reason for the string bridge to exist in the first place is to shorten the string just before the arrow flies off the bow which then speeds up the arrow.
Nice work, guys. Very informative.
Hola muy buenos pero hay uno oh dos espesiales de mi gusto traten de mostrarlo mas serca todo el arco saludos de Argentina
Thank You Very informative 🎯
What is the bamboo bow one you have, which company makes that
Bamboo and ash wood which one is better for speed in asiatic bow and all asiatic bow limb core are made of ???? Some Bowyer said that bamboo or some other say its same its depend on gluing
Really nice video, guys!
omg, it's so interesting to think of natural equipments as a living organism. This applies to instruments as well~! I haven't finished the video yet but it's so interesting so far!
Excellent content. Looking to get my first Asiatic bow very soon. Thank you.
Who build these beautiful horn sinew bow please?
Hey Justin! It was nice bumping into you at the range yesterday! I can’t believe we shoot at the same place. What luck!🙏🏾🙇🏾
Fortuitous timing!
I've been trying to learn more about the cultural differences in bow builds, and styles of archery through history. I found your video to be very informative. I appreciate the breakdown of many simple mechanics, like the string tip bow-back. would you happen to have any more recommendations on videos, describing any more historical information on bows of the region?
I can suggest a couple of nice starting resources:
(1) ATARN: www.atarn.org/
(2) Peter Dekker's Manchu Archery site: www.manchuarchery.org/articles-manchu-archery
Very interesting! Thank you!
Great video guys
Great video! Very educational - thank you! I appear to have accidentally chosen an OK bow - although I knew/understood very little of what you've just explained. At least, now I know more about why it's a good bow...
Great video. Also really like your book too. Not enough books about ancient Chinese military history/manual.
Finally, your book got me very interested in picking up Chinese archery.
Glad to hear you enjoyed the book. Thank you for your support!
The bow pad instantly shortens the string imparting greater velocity.
Great video, great channel. I had the book Way of the Archery since 3 weeks and today I found your channel :)
Aaron A Aaronson thanks for your support in buying our book!
Could you please recommend where to purchase the traditional horn and sinew bows?
Hi Lee, please have a look at the last paragraph of the "Bows" section of this interview I gave with Kungfu Magazine. www.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=1416
"Something you can keep in mind for a (distant) future purchase is a horn composite bow, whose prices range from $1,000 to $3,500. Some of the pioneering masters of the modern horn bow making revival have made Chinese-style designs, including Jaap Koppedrayer of YUMI Bows (Georgia, USA), Lukas Novotny of Saluki Bow (Florida, USA), Jang Yuhua (Taiwan), and Gao Xiang (Heilongjiang, China). There is also an energetic new generation of horn bow makers joining the revival, including Seventy-Nine (七九), disciple of Gao Xiang from Zhejiang, China; Li Qingyang (李青阳) from Chongqing, China; Alex Wittenaar of Medicine Bows (Switzerland); and Jiri Koulak of Tengri Bows (Czech Republic)."
Great advice. Personally, I own a plastic (crab) bow; a fibre glass and laminated Asian bows and love shooting them all. This information is gold- keep up the good work. Flaxen Saxon.
This was amazing advice. Thanks!
Excelente video muy aclaratorio para el que se inicia en la arquería asiaáica. Excellent video. Very clear and simple for beginners
Saludos
thanks. somehow I missed this but a very good and informative video.
Ok, here is a question i have long had. Please do not judge me too harshly for ignorance, because i am just trying to understand all of these things with bows & ancient history. Bows are so much more sophisticated than they appear on the surface -and, historically are certainly not McDonald's style mass production creatures like we tend to think of them through video games, role-playing games, or even just imagining them in terms of current technology when all the processes, materials, and measurements have been standardized & become universal.
How is it that in the Western Hemisphere, where we are told Asiatic people settled so long ago, that the bow technology was so terrible (by comparison). While in many instances, the level of archery as a transmitted & evolving skill was still extraordinary as it was also in Asia, and in certain niches elsewhere, the level of development of the bow technology was no where near the Asian counterparts.
The only idea that i can even begin to place on the table is a matter of priority. In the Americas the bow was still always a hunting tool first, a war tool second. Of course you had to develop excellent technique for good hunting, but... & this is where the idea becomes more confusing... they didn't seem to place technology on as high a priority as individual skill at your craft. And maybe that says more about us than about them. Animals didn't spontaneously start growing armor because our arrows got sharper or bows got stronger. But people did -according to how much they invested in warfare technology! ;) Just a thought.
Why do you think this was?
@Nikas Explores thank you for your thoughtful reply.
I'm an archaeology/anthropology student and I think you're right, many Native Americans were hunter gatherers and for them bows were more for hunting than for warfare, so it wouldn't have made sense for them to waste time and resources building horn bows when wooden self bows were more practical in their situation.
Many of the agricultural native nations in what is now the Eastern US lived in fortified towns and were often at war with each other, but in that case they lived in a heavily forested region where woods that are good for making self bows such as osage orange and hickory were plentiful, so they ended up using longbows instead of inventing hornbows for warfare.
In Mexico, archery played an important role in warfare, however the Aztecs associated archery with the hunter gatherer tribes to the north of them so they looked down on bows as being weapons for primitive barbarians, and they preferred to use atlatls for ranged warfare, which they saw as being more civilized.
Fascinating and informative introduction to Asiatic bows. Thank you.
Wonderful explanation... lots of clarifying details.
Great informative video. I'm interested in learning how to shoot an Asiatic bow.
Thank you, this was very informative. Any bow suggestions ... thinking about 25# fiberglass ... for complete novice?
Various places you could look into. I happen to run The Cinnabar Bow and have fiberglass bows available: www.cinnabarbow.com/marinerbows/stock.html
very helpful and well explained. THX!
Good job guys.
What you said is also so true for Korean traditional bows, be they carbon versions or hornbows. When you made the comment that natural bows are like "living, breathing beings", I thought of my impressions/conclusions that Korean hornbows have a personality and character. Some I've loved; some I've hated. Unlike synthetic bows, where the materials are identical; the sinew, bamboo or wood, and the horn that are used to make the bows have the strengths, but also the imperfections of these once living things. No two hornbows are exactly the same. Learning to get in harmony with your bow can be quite a challenge, but is quite rewording when accomplished.
Thank you for the informative and enjoyable video on this overlooked form of archery.
Best and many hits.
The title says Asiatic, so it probably includes Korea lol
Hunting, probably a Turkish or Korean bow bec they have a wide selection of quality laminate bows online. And they both have arrow speed for a Trad bow. A deer can outrun an arrow once it heard the string slapping so the speed helps.
Target shooting, a Manchu style. Preferably the Tibetan or Mongol short version. 80lbs is a good weight for a reasonably fit dude. Just has to condition for a few months.
It's fun and satisfying having your heavy arrow make a loud impact. The problem is finding a laminate Manchu bow of that weight. Biocomposite and real horn is too much $
I've been shooting my cheap plastic Timber Creek mamba for a while now and I have been wanting to get an upgrade for my asiatic style collection.
Is there a term for the type of chinese bow with those gigantic siyah and string bridges, as I think they are things of beauty?
Would anyone recommend one?
Has anyone had experience with HuntingDoor?
great discussion on the finer points of bow design. Some nice bows as well :-)
Oh man you had me at the Chinese intro!
I have a few Asiatic bows. The best thing about them is that, when you switch back to conventional recurve center-shot bows, you'll feel like an Olympic Gold-Medalist.
This is very true. I shoot trad western style bows and recently got myself an eastern style bow. What a difference! It's like starting all over again. What surprised me was you cannot even see your arrow tip if using thumbdraw to get a reference point so this type of bow is the hardest to get used to and be prepared to get totally frustrated when starting out. Once you do get the hang of it however, WOW! you will fall in love with this type of archery.Totally different type of feeling.Wish I'd got into this type of archery years ago. These bows are the most beautiful of bows and a huge a huge range of choice out there. Something for everyone.
Center shot bow is conventional? How about calling it modern instead? Bows were like traditional bows for at least 60,000 years...
speed is life
Laminated angular bows like one of the ones I have are very fast and dont wiggle. Angular bows are the fastest bows I've seen. 195 fps with 10gpp arrows. Most other bows with 10gpp are 170 fps
Love seeing this channel!
Was actually thinking and talkim a lot bout getting asian bow scary
Once you go asian (bow)
you’ll never go back 🙏😎
Hi guys, thanks for the nice, informative video. It helped me to decide to buy a Korean bow :) Btw I found out from several sources that while shooting a bow without a "cut out shelf" (traditional ambidextrous asian) with the thumb technique, the spine should be higher than usual. For example for a 40lbs bow 32" arrow lenght the spine should be 600-800. It kinda makes sense for bows without the protraction, because we probably need the arrow to be more "wobblier" to correct its flight. But it's just my guess, could you please clarify if this is right?
Nothing beats trying it out yourself and seeing how the arrow flies.
@@TheWayofArchery Another source, actually pretty informative video on khatra release, said that, historically, people tried to use as stiff an arrow as possible. And that's why khatra has been developed. So I suppose you are quite right :D I'll definitely try out different arrows then. Thanks.
16:51 this, 100% You don't start lifting weights with the largest weights because you simply will have poor form, and will likely injure yourself - and break the floor, too! Don't listen to those archery snobs who say you must start with 50# or more. What's the bet they couldn't draw and hold for more than a second anyway 😅
11:00 lol @ how the bow is flexing, i've never seen that.
Great video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Thanks !
Thanks for help I thought u guys would explain different bow cultures though, instead of component differences.
First video i'm seeing of your channel. Just subscribed, who makes those bows?
Thanks. Various makers. You can see this article for some ideas, though some brands may no longer be available: www.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=1416
@@TheWayofArchery Thank you
I got the Gao Ying, a few months ago and so far I am practicing it...is it wise to read the entire book before doing the art? (Silly question I know).
Depends on your appetite for reading. It's okay to read a little, practice a little. Reading ahead of time is okay, but you may find that after you've practiced a while, certain chapters start to take on more relevance and are easier to absorb.
@@TheWayofArchery thank you! I ask as I am also searching for a heavier bow (45 pounds) as I improve over time. Any suggestions? Mostly so I can get stronger in this book and technique.
There are a lot of nice options out there. Feel free to peruse cinnabarbow.com as well.
I'm in the United States. How can I buy an original Korean bow?
Thanks guys. Lots of down to earth practical knowledge. Very helpful.
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asiatic bows > western bows
Is Hungary in Asia? ...because they have very similar bows since stone age... Straight longbows are not as efficient as laminated recurves, west and east had both varieties in the past...
yeah ok all goob. but where's the link to look at these and buy one or two.
Very nice. Certainly, this is all theory, your experience may differ considering your actual bow. Most of these bows seem like Grózer replicas. Just one hint: never use a fast flight string for your quality energy-storing recurve-reflex Asiatic bow.
Lukas Novotny's Saluki bows were actually the inspiration for a number of these makers. These makers also issue fast flight strings by default for their bows. Obviously, you have to check with the maker.
Really good overview. I was gathering bits and pieces from various sources of what you have just put together into a one consice video
Your reciew helped me to decide witch asiatic bow to buy :D TY and god luck
great video for newcomers. wonderful that you mention supporting craftsmen..
I've got an odd question for you. I do LARP archery, and we use arrows that have large, round foam heads attached. Usually our arrows end up weighing around 1,000 grains. We're limited to a 35# pull at 28". Would a slimmer tip be desirable for getting these arrows flying more quickly or would larger tips have more of an advantage?
Haven't done the test to confirm, but first guess is the arrow-mass to bow-draw-weight ratio would be so high that you're better off with a bow that maximizes stored potential energy. This would be something like a Manchu bow. A Manchu bow with slimmer tips would be an extra bonus. Of course if you're not drawing long enough to take advantage of the Manchu design, any medium size bow would do. Best to use a chronograph to measure arrow speed with whatever bow you decide to use.
Great presentation, lots of information and well presented!
Really useful video, thanks
In what size increments would you suggest increasing draw weight. i have been shooting a 50 pound fiberglass bow for about a year now and the weight is quite easy for me now. So... I thought it would be a good idea to go up in draw weight so i get less arrow drop at further distances. So i went and got a 110 pound Monster. Hahahaha... not very smart i know. I cant even draw the beast fully.
jacob s 5--7# increments would provide the smoothest progression. Even 10--20# jumps are not fun or advisable. Please see our article for more info: sites.google.com/view/beyond-strength/home
More videos like this! Thank you.
I am a beginner and would like to buy but we don't have archery stores to buy from can you please guide me to better and suitable option to buy from.
What country are you based in?
Great video guys. Thank you.
What bow is that you are using at the very beginning to discuss the parts of the bow? I've been shooting more conventional recurves for a few years, and that one in particular stood out as very appealing.
R. Parker The bow you're referring to is a Spearman Xiaoshao, for which you can find more info here: www.cinnabarbow.com/marinerbows/laoqiang.html#xiaoshao
Very informative and nice video, gentlemen. If only I've seen it before purchasing my bow. I have a 40 pound Fiberglass bow. Do you think its a too much for a beginner? I can draw it no problem up to 33 inches. I can hold it draw for a long time as well. Only thing that bothers me is, that I do "Wiggle" when I hold it drawn. Will I get bad habbits from it or do I get it better with practice and I can continue to practise with it? Thank you.
If your current bow is 40#@28", and you're drawing to 33", it's probably weighing 50--53#@33". That's quite a lot for a beginner. Maybe you'll want to see if you can get a 35#@28" or 30#@28" bow just to check whether your "wiggle" goes away. With too many "wiggling" repetitions, your brain might think that "wiggling" is normal, which would be a bad thing.
@@TheWayofArchery Thank you for your sugestions. It's out of my budget to buy another bow right now. I should knew better... I stick with the 40# but will not draw it over 30" until my technique is better. So I can minimalize learning bad habbits. I took a friend with me today and let her to film me while practising. It was interesting to see how my stance, drawing, holding and releasing is. I can compare it to your tutorials and see my mistakes. It's a far away from propper thumbrelease. My release is not very clean and I tend to move my releasing hand 1-2cm forwards before release. But my thumb career is 3 days old :D If you like you can watch it and meybe give me some tips. ua-cam.com/video/8FADxVHqMoA/v-deo.html Have a nice day.
awesome guys keep making vids great presentation
What kind of poundage do you shoot for your regular "leisure" target shooting?
About 50--55-# for relaxed target shooting.
Which bowyers make traditional composite chinese or manchu style bows?
Please see further down in this article for a quick list of horn composite bow makers: www.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=1416
what wood is used for those bow ?
Does it mean that alaminated bow is better than a fiberglass bow? What are the pros and cons?
I mention the difference between fiberglass and laminated bows in this interview w/ Kung Fu Magazine: www.kungfumagazine.com/ezine/article.php?article=1416
How to choose fast bow ???
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That's what she said.
Please give away....
Did traditional bows actually have handles? Seems if made out of wood temperature and humidity would cause the pivot point of the bend to change.
Asiatic bows did.
Laminated bows are at least 60,000 years old and those would have handles I would think... Depends on the specific time and place I would think...
Fantastic explanations!
Thank u guys