10 Seconds to Survive | Terrifying Dive Over the Pacific Ocean
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- Опубліковано 20 гру 2023
- Find out why a United Airlines Boeing 777 went into a terrifying dive immediately after taking off from Kahului Airport, Hawaii.
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That must've been an awkward cockpit for the remaining 5 hours
But, they handled it. In hindsight, that will be a determining factor, because they all came through unscathed. It's like, now there's nothing we can't do together. And the FO learned that flaps 15 is not a good choice for where they were at in the flight ✈️
Brand new to type FO is always a surprise fest for a while.
😂
They were probably trying to figure out what happened.
Having experienced wind shear and heavy turbulence that tossed my Cessna around like a toy, I have to say it was scary and dangerous, especially because it was my first time.
Fortunately, I had learned about what the wind can and cannot do. At first you think you’ll be driven into the ground, but in fact, the wind flattens out, and you can ride it by keeping the nose down and applying full power. Suddenly you find your ground speed is way more than you could ever attain without a tailwind, about 150 knots. Pretty exhilarating in a Cessna 172.
The worst thing you can do is panic from fear that you’ll hit the ground. By fighting it you’ll stall the plane.
Give the Captain credit for remaining calm and pulling it out at the last minute. I imagine the passengers with window seats saw their life flash before their eyes.
Considering it was night time, I doubt many knew the severity of the situation? Still, very concerning
We’ve seen many a situation where a pilot messes up or freezes when caught off guard or hears one of the few call outs you never want to hear except maybe inside of a simulator if things went very wrong and you messed up in that.
The memory item and recovery procedure kicked in and that is something at that altitude needs to happen quickly or you’ll have a controlled flight into terrain accident very quickly.
Yes they messed up but pilots do. Usually the other is there to notice it. At least the co-pilot felt he could shout out and tell the captain to do the obvious, but he should’ve been monitoring the instruments whilst troubleshooting.
If they fired every pilot who made a mistake, nobody would want to become a pilot. It’s gross negligence that warrants that, but accidents, however severe, let pilots feel that if they make a mistake, they can report it and not be hung out to dry and the industry can learn from it so it doesn’t happen again.
If it wasn’t like this, those pilots wouldn’t have felt they could report the incident themselves and we would likely never know it happened and learnt from it. By all means a passenger or crew member may have complained but the pilots could’ve said it was just a steep descent due to weather/turbulence and avoiding whatever was necessary but wasn’t serious or abnormal in aviation standards, just scary to PAXs.
I'm wondering why the 1st officer did not CONFIRM WITH THE CAPTAIN "FLAPS 15" OR AT LEAST SAID, PLEASE REPEAT" WHICH WOULD HAVE AVOIDED THE INCIDENT. YES, NO?
I’d go a different way and chastise the captain (pilot flying) for not monitoring the altitude and immediately correcting pitch attitude before the descent became threatening. While the copilot made an error in flap selection, for the pilot flying to become preoccupied with troubleshooting the problem is contrary to normal crew coordination. I suspect automation may have played a role in this too.
Somebody still has to mind the store when things go sideways. And that’s the job of the pilot flying.
@@speedlever Agree..another example of a very experienced pilot who can't seem to hand fly an aircraft. WTF was the pilot looking at? Attitude, airspeed, altitude, heading is what he SHOULD have been looking at. These guys are autopilot slaves.
Very simple answer to this when the captain called for flaps 5 the correct response for the co-pilot is to repeat what he heard and say "flaps 5." In this case if the co-pilot had repeated back "flaps 15" the captain would have immediately corrected and have said "no flaps 5." The captain saved the day, but these type of incidents should never happen if the correct protocol is used. It's the reason why when communicating with ATC you repeat what you were told, so that both parties know each other has been understood correctly.
Yeah, "five" doesn't sound anything like "fifteen," especially when repeated. The first officer should have been spanked for being so careless that he put 281 lives in danger.
The confusion could happen when they say one-five instead of fifteen?
We have no idea. No cockpit recording.
I'd say that in a similar point in any flight in any aircraft, flaps 15 should have been questioned by a qualified FO.
Just what I was thinking from the start.
I think the worst of this situation for me would be having to listen to people scream
Thanks, Captain had nearly 20000 hours logged and yet required more training. Must have been very scary for the passengers and crew.
TFC, excellent as always.
I take that as a sign that we ALL should never stop learning. I see it as mental fitness. I see great trends towards bodily fitness with diets and gyms, etc, I wish people would place as much emphasis on mental fitness as they do with physical fitness.
He didn't need more training, he needed to be shown the door. He's incompetent.
From what I’ve seen from this video. The pilot did do the necessary procedures and noticed the mistake the first officer made in time.
A major challenge that airlines face is that, contrary to popular belief, safety does not actually increase infinitely with experience. It does at first and until around 10-15 thousand hours where it then peaks and very gradually begins to decrease. Experience beyond 10-15k actually begins to work against you as it is almost impossible for someone to disallow to cause arrogance and complacency. Your retirement flight is actually one of your most dangerous flights for this exact reason. A while back it was very sad when a group of very seasoned, very well trained airforce pilots put on a flight show for their retirement flight, and in front of all their families crashed and died literally on the last turn of the flight, they induced a stall after banking a little too hard with not quiet enough throttle. The captain of the Titanic was also on his retirement voyage. He was among the most experienced and credentialed captains in the world at the time.
Please explain aeronautically why the flap setting is so important. The invisible wind pushed the plane downward, violently. The pilot maintained air speed until the wind shear no longer affected the plane. Job well done.
I noticed that the United Airlines has very old 777s they fly from LAX to Honolulu route, there is always some technical faults before departure, they need to upgrade the fleet & better train the pilots
The Flight Channel's calm, factual, read-only style is very good.
A pilot is like a doctor, electrician, a plumber or any handyman. Some are better than others.
How frighteningly close they came to tragedy. Because of a misheard word. This says they came forward with this but waited 2 months?? I find that strange. So very glad no injuries or fatalities. Thank you again for a great presentation.
Yes, and no data recorder info because of the wait. Yet another glitch to be corrected I think.
Maybe I'm wrongbut isn't the two months notification delay to the NTSB, and not necessarily to the airline? I'm too lazy to rewatch.
@@cadoo5591 Perhaps the delay was intentional?
And how about what's even worse is one at what rate would you ever put the flaps to 15 and two they're still flying
I find it EXTREMELY interesting that this incident was kept from the NTSB for 2 months so there was no existing documentary evidence as to what actually happened. Consequently, the NTSB couldn't conduct a real investigation and could only rely on the pilots' accounts of their own actions.
The lesson I learned from this situation is if something untoward happens on an airplane I'm aboard, I'm contacting the NTSB as soon as I deplane.
LIKE YOUR MEAL IS COLD.
@@K1OIK a stupid thing to say
@@K1OIKOtra vez estás tú aquí, con tus un insignificante comentarios?
@@robynlea6950 I don't understand Chinese.
I agree 100%. I was flying out of SJC as a passenger and noticed that we hadn’t rotated for a long, long while. It wasn’t until we were at the end of the runway did we rotate, almost skimming the fence. Nobody even noticed and we eventually landed safely, but this was definitely worthy of a NTSB report no doubt.
It was daylight, the weather was bad rain and wind. when the potential flap over speed happened the Captain pulled the power off rather than just raising the nose to control the airspeed. On the takeoff and climb the stab trim is set to climb at V2+10 and once you reach your acceleration altitude the trim will move toward down as you accelerate and retract the Flaps. By pulling the power off with engines mounted under the wing you remove the pitch up force caused by the underwing engines operating at takeoff power. You suddenly have a very nose heavy airplane and that is why they were heading down. No one was flying the airplane.
I agree 100%. I was flying out of SJC as a passenger and noticed that we hadn’t rotated for a long, long while. It wasn’t until we were at the end of the runway did we rotate, almost skimming the fence. Nobody even noticed and we eventually landed safely, but this was definitely worthy of a NTSB report no doubt.
Profound.
They should have reported it immediately. Guess the airlines are so low on pilots they weren't fired.
So scary and completely needless.😮
georgeconway thank you for your comment. I'm guessing you are an airline pilot. Very insightful and educational. Cheers.
"At United our mission is to create a more diverse, equitable and inclusive workplace and world."
The airline diversity hiring nonsense was lovely and woke, right up until Atlas Air 3591.
Yes, diversity was the cause of this incident. U R A clown.
United's latest commercials about pilot recruitment and training don't instill a lot of confidence going forward either. They seem more concerned about making mini rom-com "webisodes" than worrying about what to do to keep planes in the air.
Only flight channel I will watch. Best concise content.
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..."Still flying for the airline". What do you need to do to get sacked as an airline pilot?? I was one for many years and if I had been as incompetent as this, I would have resigned.
It's a softer kinder world all the way to the water.
They were not white.
They obviously didn't report it for two months because their union had them wait until there was no flight voice recorder data. There's a lot more going on here than this shows.
You got it buddy !
Glad they all survived.
Now THIS was a great and very unique TFC video unlike any I've seen: there was no loss of human life. Yay!
No loss of life but, I'm sure quite a few people lost a few years off their lives after that...... unfortunate experience for passengers....they had a crappy flight after coming so close to entering the water !!!
A masterpiece of engineering yet still these errors occur.
I am not sure about that. I think this wouldn't happen in an A330 or A350.
Yes, wind shear will happen in special weather conditions to every plane, but if the pilot is trained, and there aren’t any mechanical problems, his skill at keeping his airspeed up will see him through. If you panic and fight wind shear you’ll stall the aircraft.
I think it has more to do with pilot error than the aircraft, a similar thing occurred with a Qatar 787 where it was night time and the pilots had no visual attitude reference, they also ended up in a dive towards the ocean but managed to recover on time.
The NTSB should have been notified.
@@hakanevin8545 You're likely correct.
I recently experienced wind shear and heavy turbulence that tossed my Cessna around like a toy. It was scary and dangerous, especially because it was my first time.
Fortunately I learned from a good instrutor what the wind can and cannot do. At first you think you’ll be driven into the ground, but in fact the wind flattens out, "ground effcets" take over, and you can ride it like a surfer by keeping the nose down and applying full power. Suddenly you find your ground speed is far more than you could ever attain without two hundred horsepower, about 150 knots. Pretty exhilarating in a Cessna 172.
The worst thing you can do is panic, fearing that you’ll hit the ground. If you fight it you’ll stall and die. Just as scuba divers learn never to resist ocean currents, pilots must learn to go with the winds as they truly are; not what you want them to be.
Communication is still today one of the most important things, a cockpit is no different.
I bet they were both distracted and tired, just got lazy in their communication.
What a rollercoaster ride !
God be praised, no harm beyond white knuckles !
United’s DEI program at work !!
This is why "black box" cockpit voice and data recordings should be archived and stored immediately after every flight.
Thankfully the flight didn't end in disaster!
Can't come any closer
Good presentation flight channel... I'm glad that everyone ok
If this ever happens on a flight I am on I am would die of heart failure
Glad this flight landed safely with no injuries. Gives me another reason to continue to avoid United. Great video 🎉🎉
This has nothing to do with United Airlines. There was an unfortunate miscommunication between a veteran captain and a "newbie" FO with much less accumulated hours and a relatively low number of hours on the 777. This should not have happened but it did. This could've happened to any pilot from any airline at any place in the world. They both made mistakes but ultimately the captain saved the day. All airline pilots go through manditory regular recurrent training. It's not a punishment! I hope this made both pilots and all pilots better at their jobs.
One thing's for certain, they sure as hell wanted that CVR to record over!
Glad everyone's ok!
seems as though the first officer would've intuitively known that flaps 15 in that moment was absurd.....
Indeed it was and anyone with even the slightest experience would notice that right away.
A really awkward, confusing and harrowing situation in the cockpit it was, I can realize that, though I am not a pilot.
Anyways, @theflightchannel a great video of yours again gave us immense pleasure and a great recreation it was.
Keep it up!! 👍
I find it incredible that, in these modern times with state-of-the-art aircrafts like the 777, emergency events of this kind continue to occur. Although of course, in the end our lives depend more on the pilots.
The only way I can imagine the mistaken flap order was if the captain says flaps one five rather than flaps fifteen. I suppose that's a good argument for Airbus' flap settings 0, 1, 2 ,3, FULL - unambiguous terminology, although it does mask the true degree settings.
that's a good explanation
But when do you need to know the actual degrees?
During flap retraction both pilots check the speed tape independently and the PM cross checks the speed and then the EICAS displayed flap setting. Clearly there is a problem with Untied training if both pilots have made the same mistake at the same time. The Captain should have known that the lack of movement in the top barbers pole means that the flaps haven’t retracted. The flight directors only provide vertical guidance to max speed -5kts, so the Captain was (purposely) over speeding the aircraft. To then dive the aircraft means the Captain was forcing the controls, and overriding the FBW envelope protection.
Hope someone did a check on horizontal stabilizer system....
It would have set off a take off config warning before they even powered up.
@@naknaksdadn572nah he means stress on the elevators from pulling out of a dive, certain amount or so of g’s calls for some special inspection
Ah...
Juan Browne over at the Blancoliro UA-cam channel does a great job going over the NTSB final report on this incident.
This is another example of pilots not FLYING the airplane. Quit being systems monitors and fly the damn plane.
Was no-one looking at the horizon instrument?
i find it hard to imagine how you would mistake 5 with 15. Also is there no any logic behind changing flap settings? If you have thousands of hours flying probably you would know that 15 is not a good idea either.
The usual callout for flaps 15 is "flaps one five", so it's not too difficult to confuse with plain "flaps five"
@@JuanCarlosCoreaBarrios- no it isn’t. It’s “flap fifteen”.
@@JuanCarlosCoreaBarrios PIC commands "flaps fifteen" which is then answered by the pilot monitoring as "flaps fifteen".
whatever the call is the guy is a trained pilot not a McDonald's cashier . And the fact the story was covered is even more disturbing.
Protect United! Protect United!
That's why monitoring pilot has to repeat flying pilot's commands, it's very important to avoid misunderstandings.
i could not imagine seening a plane like that that,that would givve me nightmares
I fly often but I'm always glad to touch solid ground at any airport once i land cos anything can happen up there including gross negligence and flat out incompetence by the people we entrust with our lives. Glad no fatalities on this specific incident though and kudos to the pilots for ultimately recovering their plane, thats what matters most.
Co-Pilot error
The buck stops with the pilot flying.
Caused by a rookie F/O with only 179 hrs in the A/C. Imagine what the future holds when guys like that will become the rank and file for airlines. The experienced folks are retiring in the cockpit and maintenance. God help us!
Captain also at fault
Ok
What videos like this do not make clear is ... these kinds of situations occur because the pilots aren't in control of the airplane, and instruments are not in control of the airplane, but *BOTH* the pilots and instruments are partially in control of the airplane, and that is a formula for disaster. What actually makes this worse is that pilots become used to not being in full control of the airplane, and in fact forget how the various models of airplanes behave when they and they alone control the airplane. In my opinion, this kind of "mixed authority" is very bad modus-operandi. Either the pilot should be in control or automation should be in control (in ways the pilots are familiar with) ... but mixed control as is becoming more and more common is *BAD NEWS.*
The future is a single pilot and automation flies the plane.
There's no room for error...
If a pilot was doubtful, not sure what they heard, you'd think they would ask to make sure, not assume, make the mistake of doing wrongfully, causing them to potentially crash.
This is so scary 😮and I’m flying in two days
Nice recovery and no one was injured.
Wow, can you recover a plane that Is already flying that low? In my ignorance this somehow reminded me of Af447
How is it that this never was reported for so long, scary!!
It's a matter of both sides confirming the required flap setting!
Wow!
Pitch attitude control should be among the most important things for a pilot.
nice
Man that would be scary
Yo flight channel, which aircraft model did you buy in msfs 2020?
United noted that "our pilots voluntarily reported this event" - um yeah, doing the bare minimum isn't something noteworthy, I would expect nothing less
Makes one wonder if there was any communication with ATC during the incident. If not, why not?
Did the additional training for the " pilots? " include teaching them how to fly a plane.
I wonder if tghe autothrottle settings were also examined.
But yeah the FO setting 15 not 5 is kind of a big deal
To say that I was ready to scream for my life on behalf of everyone on board would be a massive understatement!
GROW a pair.
@@K1OIKEasier said than done.
Why don't you do the same? Siempre y cuando los tienes, pero, claro, hay que tenerlos, in the first place.
@@K1OIK yeah God forbid anyone get emotionally invested in an intense story they're reading
@@K1OIKGive it a rest, Burt. You're a parody.
I drive wherever I need to go. Unfortunately, in this case, since the flight originated in Maui, HI, it obviously wouldn't have been possible unless you had a boat with unlimited fuel capacity.
Glad it ended well for the crew & passengers.
OMG 😢
I keep contacting the airlines about including these for in-flight entertainment but they never respond 😟
I think having these as entertainment on flights would be alarming to a lot of people. Probably for the best that they don’t respond, lol
@@davis6123 The sarcasm flew right over your head, huh?
@@davis6123r/woooosh
How can they fk things up so badly??
Hello, thanks for this amazing video, as always ;)
What do you call the manoeuvre of going directly from Taxiing to full thrust takeoff (after getting ATC clearance) without holding position (Lining up) with the runway?
Thanks a lot.
Rolling takeoff
@@rogerowislandguyja many tnx
The whole thing does not make sense: a pilot with 19,600 hours should not make this kind of mistake. Does he not understand how an altimeter or rate of climb works?????
...repeat every communication again, and again, AND AGAIN if there is ANY concern about miscommunication. On most flights, there are up to hundreds whose lives are in the hands of just a few people, i.e. pilot, copilot, and ATC whose failure to communicate has resulted in disaster. While there have thankfully been relatively few such, even ONE is too many.
How the hell can you mistake the sound of flaps 15, and 5??🤦♂ 3:18
My phone is a joke. I’m about to fly to and from Maui and it recommends this fking video. Thanks a lot
Another example of pilots messing up due to technology overload and forgetting how to FLY the plane......
So why did the plane nose dive? Because of an incorrect flaps setting? I don’t get it.
You can only fly a jet at a certain flap setting and a certain speed. Too much speed with too much flaps and you rip the wing off ! Conversely, not enough flaps at lower speed and the jet littleraly falls out of the sky. They had to manage the balance in a dynamic climbing/ increasing speed situation with only seconds between subtracting flaps while increasing speed, no room for big increases, or decreases. Having 2 mandatory pilots you would think will uncomplicated things by dividing the critical tasks in half, but it can sometimes double the complications if communication is not perfectly perfomed by both pilots.
@@CatDaddySteve How kind of you to take the time to provide us with such a detailed explanation.
Thanks so much !
A simplistic, yet confusing description, but thanks anyway. @@CatDaddySteve
@@CatDaddySteve If they wanted to decrease the airspeed (to save the wings), starting to fly downwards towards the ground seems like a bad idea. Maybe they were anaware of the phenomenon called gravity.
@@CatDaddySteve thanks! I never knew flaps settings could be so dangerous. I get it that flaps are required to generate lift for takeoffs and to maintain lift while slowing down for landing, but I don’t know anything in between about em.
This was big news the first few weeks of 2023 here in Hawaii. The dramatization of this flight is ok as the flight itself, but the airport rendering from Kahului was not correct.
Can I ask what simulator you use for these videos?
Its Microsoft flight sim 2020 and he's using an add-on airplane from a developer called Captain sim 777 (CS) which is absolute trash of an airplane if you know the world of flight sim.
I wish these had audio speaking
I don't know what has happened to TFC. The graphics are getting better and better and they are beautiful as always but the content is somehow not keeping the same brilliance as it used to? Several re-uploads and cases with no investigation at all? I'm excellent at research, TheFlightChannel, I would volunteer to provide you with information if you feel your time is too short!
why wouldn't the copilot think flaps 15 is dangerous and not question the setting? kinda scary.
if the pilot messes up that recovery or acts 10 seconds later everyone on board dies
It is easy to be an armchair quarterback but I guess I’m surprised that the junior officer didn’t repeat the captain’s command to be sure there was no confusion, and I would have expected that the senior officer, knowing that he had a newbie in the right seat would have been more cautious by being a bit more alert.
How embarrassing. Captain should lose his bars.
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After the pilot announced what the flaps should be set at, it should be repeated and then verbally confirmed by the copilot , or does it not work like that.
Is it a requirement that the PNF adjusts flap? Even at only 15 degrees, I didn’t realize that would have such a big impact on the pitch
This is why the environment in the cockpit is sterile under 10,000 feet and all commands are re-affirmed with a "check".
The first officer should've faced more disciplinary action. He literally almost killed a lot of people
I strongly disagree. The Captain should have caught the mistake after he raised the nose to stop the acceleration. He should have left the power alone because that is how he lost control of the airplane.
Glad they made but if the worst did happen thears also the benefit they were close to land.
And this is why you cross check and verify commands.
😮
NTSB only found out two months after the incident? No attempt at a cover-up then.
It’s a mistake to show the end of the video first. What’s the point of watching the rest? Stop showing the ending of the video first.
Cover the screen with your hand. Remove when the screen fades to black, stating 3 hours earlier
The first officer should know Flaps 15 was out of the question at that altitude and speed. He should have confirmed if indeed the captain said 15. The captain should always visually confirm if the right input was done. Planes are safe if you don't mess with the right settings.
It is truly unbelievable that pilots are unable to correctly perform 'the same procedure as the last time'... how difficult is it! How is it possible that, as a flying pilot, you do not check yourself whether your command has actually been followed correctly? That's because they sit behind the wheel in a fully controlled and automatic Teslas these days and no longer have any idea what flying is, let alone what it feels like.
"The Pilots voluntarily reported this event" Yea, that's great, otherwise I bet nobody would have noticed weeping passengers with soiled pants kissing the ground as they disembarked the aircraft.
So...this "veteran" pilot puts the aircraft in a nose-down & reduces speed almost crashing into the ocean because he didnt want to damage the flaps....just a simple switch would've been needed..🙄
When you hear "Pull Up", can you go ahead and fucking do it? Why is it always a few minutes before they do?
I expect this to be yanked in 5, 4, 3, 2.... same incident with the Qatari 787 which was also deleted presumably due to pressure. Incidents are too similar. Both Boeings. Is there a quirk on their aircraft control systems that pilots have to always be aware of? A quirk that likes spring up surprises here and there? Russian roulette? How many more incidents have happened without any formal reports? Excellent video nonetheless.
...are you implying that the creator of this UA-cam channel deleted a video after pressure from the airline involved? That's a pretty big accusation, is there any actual evidence for that.
@@JJ_SDWR There was a Middle Eastern video that was deleted about a year ago by the FC never to return with no explanation given.
I bet all the passenger will never fly again after this . I mean I would .
No matter the experience ('thousands of flying hours'), when suddenly facing the unexpected, unusual situation, pilots old and young will make errors in judgement.
Where was it flying too?
FYI, if you don't want to watch what happens before learning what happens, skip the first 30 seconds of the video. Never understood why they do this.